marclaporte: yorrd: maybe the feature itself is not yet activated?
yorrd: ill have a look
marclaporte: some tools are for wiki, some wysiwyg, some both
yorrd: okay, yeah, i really forgot to enable the plugin >.< thanks anyways
isn't the document key the pile of random characters in the link of the doc?
the whole frame doesn't show up, but takes up the space
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polom
marclaporte: yorrd: I don't get what you are talking about. Can you make a screenshot or screencast at: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/? (/me is always looking to dogfood)
yorrd: I added the code for the google doc plugin, but the frame where the doc should be, is white, nothing else.
now i was wondering whether i got the wrong key
fabricius: hi yorrd, I tried google-docs with the plugin aswell - a longer while ago - and I think, I would remember, it did not work
yorrd: Hm... it's really not important, if it doesn't work, it's just fine for me;-)
fabricius: yorrd: but I think, that anyway the WebODF approach will bring us and many projects further than any google doc API or Plugin
yorrd: that's true, I just had some old docs laying around
fabricius: just meant ;-)
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Quick question: in what file are Tikiwiki codes such as '' = italic, %%% = line break, etc. defined?
fabricius: hmmm
must be the parser
RobertPlummer should know ... maybe parserlib parser/lib or s.th like that!?
Mneme_: Alternative wording: I want to add a wikicode so that users may use {{{ }}} to create a <span class="something"> </span>
fabricius: Mneme_: it's the wikisyntax ... must be defined "near the wikiparser"
uhh
{{{ }}} Why that?
Mneme_: Not specifically that, heh, maybe +++ text +++ or whatever
fabricius: why you do not just use {DIV(type=span class=something)} anycontent [DIV} ??
Mneme_: I want to make it easier on the users.
Some of them can barely handle UBB code. :)
fabricius: check here: doc.tiki.org/PluginDiv and doc.tiki.org/PluginFont
AND let me check ... there is anotherone, might be useful for you ... brb
Mneme_: Hm <tt> is still a thing?
fabricius: I do not know
Mneme_: Nevermind, though that is interesting. LOL Anyway I'm just trying to make it so users can rely mostly on the wikicode without resorting to HTML or other templates.
If I can FIND the wikicode parser I can probably handle it from there
marclaporte: maybe it's a test
fabricius: Mneme_: pls check this one: http://doc.tiki.org/Plugin+Alias
Mneme_: Hm...
marclaporte: Mneme_: wiki plugins are over at: lib/wiki-plugins
fabricius: Mneme_: you should not at all change the parser code ... whilst you can as it OpenSource ... but you would kind of lock out or upset or confuse people who know Tiki before
Another one: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginTag
But I think you need *PluginAlias*
marclaporte: Plugin Alias permits you to create {MNEME()} meh {MNEME} to something like <span class="something"> </span>
Mneme_: Yeah
marclaporte: You could also have {mneme class="abc"} that becomes <span class="something"> </span>
and making a plugin like this has the benefit that the plugin helper is there for the users (the pop up box which offers all the possible fields)
Mneme_: *nods* Is there something I have to enable to access tiki-admin.php?page=plugins? It gives me a fatal error and tells me the template doesn't exist when I try to go to that.
marclaporte: Mneme_: you are running out of RAM
that page is heavy
because lots of plugins :-)
This is plugin helper http://doc.tiki.org/Plugin+Help (but those are old screenshots. Much nicer now)
template doesn't exist : oh that is strange
which version of Tiki?
Mneme_: Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'SmartyException' with message 'Unable to load template file 'admin/include_plugins.tpl'' in /home/tarazedi/public_html/w/lib/smarty/libs/sysplugins/smarty_internal_template.php:165 Stack trace: #0 and several more lines of similar gibberish.
8.1 I think.
{div(type=span class=l)}L text{span} would function?
Er {div}
Okay not so much, since the HTML renders as <span class='l' ></span> <div ></div>
(the boxes should be there)
Oh. Case sensitive.
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marclaporte: Mneme_: get 8.4
Mneme_: do you svn?
Mneme_:
No
(Sorry wrong keymap LOL)
marclaporte: hehe
which language was that?
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marclaporte: If you have shell and want to figure out SVN, here is: http://dev.tiki.org/Get+code#Using_Stable_9.x_Long_Term_Support_from_SVN
Otherwise, take 8.4 and upgrade to 9.1 in a few weeks
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marclaporte: (will be easy upgrade)
Mneme_: Tarazedi
Fictional.
?Qa naya ti vokiz si Tazaradiax? :) AKA fun with unicode.
http://w.tarazedi.com/Lexax
marclaporte: hehe
related: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban
Mneme_: Aye.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/conscripts2.htm#conlangs
Lojban = Loglan. Wow. That was mentioned in the novelization of the first Star Trek movie in 1979; had no idea that was referring to a real thing.
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fabricius: ...
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hi
hi
in the calendar I can move events around and change their lengths
but how do I save my changes?
when I reload everything is as it was?!?!?
anyone?
hmm it works if I allow users to "change events"
but when I allow them to change events they can change all the events, not just their own
if I disable change event, they can still edit their own events but not of other people but apperently it is no longer possible to use drag and drop
this is just stupid, must be a bug
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plain poloms
Jyhem: pretty poloms :)
jonnyb: remember the weather last july in Strasbourg ? This year's is the same :-(
jonnyb: hi Jyhem - wettest June on record here
they even had to cancel the hose-pipe bans! :)
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Jyhem: ohh
they cancelled music fest here :-/
jonnyb: it was the worst drought on record up to April
lots of festivals being cancelled here too
Jyhem: yeah, but what everybody remembers is today's weather and next week-end's predictions (which are rainy, btw)
and then some people go to norway :-)
-: Jyhem was sad to read the latest edit in bBarcelona page :-(
Jyhem goes cooking
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Jyhem: While Tiki already has hashed and salted passwords storage and is discussing upgrading to a better hashing algorithm… we learn that some yahoo site stores passwords in plain text: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/12/yahoo_voice_password_flap/
-: Jyhem loves open-source
fabricius loves open-source aswell
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polom y'all
jonnyb: hi ricks99
ricks99: hiya jonnyb
jonnyb: anyone else having svn trouble with sf.net today?
have a tiny commit i've been trying to put in for 3 hours!
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jonnyb: yay! at last :) (lunchtime)
ricks99: :)
Jyhem: :)
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RobertPlummerMob: polom jonnyb
jonnyb: hey RobertPlummerMob - long time no polom
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: no excuses ;), just been busy this week
jonnyb: there's a lot of it about
how did/is the move go(ing)
Jyhem: polom RobertPlummerMob. Moving?
RobertPlummerMob: is... It isn't too bad, but we're moving 2 families, ours and the inlaws.
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RobertPlummerMob: They are coming to live with us, health issues.
Jyhem: Oh... Happy boxing and labelling, I guess :-/
jonnyb: is SF still unusually slow ? I might be responsible
jonnyb: not sure - in the end i had to delete the whole lib dir and re-up
Jyhem: I'm running a couple proplist as per https://tiki.org/Ohloh#UTF-8_enlistment_issue on branch 1.10 in an attempt to solve the Ohloh statistics issues Marc raised
I can cancel and relaunch it all tonight when nobody is awake on our side of the pond :)
just holler if you run in slowness
RobertPlummerMob: Jyhem, testing for slowness.
-: Jyhem means 12002 by "a couple"
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fabricius: Polom everybody
sry for misspelling
jonnyb: hi fabricius here too :)
fabricius: :-)
seen ya
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pedor: hi, how can I show the last wiki pages? I'm looking for a module for that and I can't find.
jonnyb: hi pedor - it's last changes or something
try last_modif_pages
pedor: omg! hehehehe, i didn't saw that, thanks
jonnyb: there are so many of them! :)
and the naming convention is a little... variable ;) (but better than it was!)
pedor: i'm quite lost editing tiki, too much options. but i think it's worth, i can do pretty much everything now
lol
ricks99: on the module admin page, you can keyword search for specific modules
much easier than guessing module names :)
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: About to kick on php debugger in phpstorm for the first time, ever used it?
jonnyb: wow, how can you live without it? got it going within the first hour of using it (very easy to set up compared to eclipse/aptana of course!)
i'm in it now :) (in fact probably spend 30 hours a week in it)
i've recently started writing code in it - using the evaluate box to test it line by line as i write
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: I use my mind.
jk
jonnyb: ah, but you're still young :)
jjg0th: hi
what permissions (besides calendar stuff) do I need to schedule events in a calendar?
(and to change my own events)
I set the calendar permissions (for a certain category) but taht was not enough, it seems I need something more, maybe permission to view wiki pages?
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: What do I use for an interpreter?
just "php" (in linux)
fabricius: jjg0th: depends, where you want to show / view the items
RobertPlummerMob: In windows you would use the path I believe, but in ubuntu it is accessible globally.
fabricius: if you show them in a module which is assigne to / on a wikipage, you need to have the perm to see the wikipage
ricks99: jjg0th: did you set the *calendar* permissions?
jjg0th: yes
only the calendar permissions
it is enough to show the events
but I cannot add events :(
tiki_p_add_events doesn't seem to be enough to add events
I guess it cannot even show the "dialog" and that's why it fails
ricks99: as admin?
jjg0th: "add event" just show the login screen, instead of a screen to add an event
as admin I can do everything
ricks99: and the other user/group has the necessary perms to add an event?
jjg0th: yes
well obviously no *g*
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: nm, it was already there.
jonnyb: good :)
ricks99: and you've created at least 1 calendar, right?
jjg0th: yes
and assigned him to the calendar category
ricks99: did you apply any object-specific perms to the actual calendar?
jjg0th: it partially works because I indeed can see the calendar as calendar user
no
ricks99: do you have any specic perms assigned to the calendar category?
jjg0th: yes
normally the calendar group has no rights at all
but the calendar category assigns calendar rights to the calendar group
ricks99: so all users can see the calendar, but only calendargroup should be able to create events?
jjg0th: I assigned a view calendars to the calendar category
a bit more complicated
we have guests, users, admins, calendar (and registered + anonymous)
guests can view calendar/events
users can add events
admin can admin
calendar apriori cannot do anything
calendar is for external guests that are only supposed to use (and edit) the calendar but not access the rest of the wiki
so essentially (wrt calendar) calendar is the same as user (but only for calendars assigned to the calendar category)
that's the idea
ricks99: so those are ur user groups, right? what/how/why are you using a calendar *category*?
jjg0th: I just described it
ricks99: those are your user groups -- not categories
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ricks99: based on what you said ^^^ you don't need categories at all
remember, permissions are inherited downward (group -> category -> object) but override upward
jjg0th: how do I make "certain" calendars accessable to the calendar group?
ricks99: using object perms
jjg0th: if I give global permission to do calendar stuff, then all calendar can be accessed by the group
ricks99: to override the group perms
jjg0th: that's one way yes
so far I never used object perms
I tried to make it simple: permissions are set globally, except for a view special permissions, handled by categories
that way there is a clear list of possible permissions and one clear access point to change those
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ricks99: can do it that way too. but you need to add the category perms to the group (i.e., view category objcts, modify category objects, etc.)
jjg0th: what do you mean?
ricks99: if you're using categories, and you categorize an object, you'll need to give the group permission to see categorized objects
(that's way, i said, in your simple case, object-level will be easier
that's *why* I said...
jjg0th: ah so I need to add some category permissions
to the global permissions
but I can view calendars, even though I didn't give any of those permissions
ricks99: yes. you might want to review the docs for details:
http://doc.tiki.org/Permission and http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Permissions
-: Jyhem wonders if anyone is familiar with the "Favorite" button in http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php ? I suppose it should do something more than a white page ? :-(
jjg0th: hmm I don't think so
there are no permissions related to categories that seem necessary
pedor: well, I have the last wiki pages, but I can't get the module to show only one category, it's showing them all
ricks99: jjg0th: there's an "edit items in categories"
jjg0th: items = objects?
ricks99: sometimes. ;)
jjg0th: I didn't find the "edit items in categories"
where is it?
anyway, I have a very very strong guess this is not about categories but simply about necessary permissions
ricks99: something like p_edit_categories?
jjg0th: ah permissions
I thought some configuration screen
ricks99: again, i highly recommend looking at the docs
perms and categories are highly configurable and can be tricky
jjg0th: I already read them
as I said
it looks like a bug
the intuition tells me I did everything right
but obviously something is wrong if the "add event" dialog doesn't shows the correct thing
ricks99: i have many tiki sites wih multiple calendars visible only specific groups
jjg0th: ok, I try it myself
trial and error
I will just enable all permissions
ricks99: what tiki version are you using?
jjg0th: then reduce in half etc
9.x
ricks99: 9.0?
or trunk?
jjg0th: 9.x branch
9.0
atm
hmm I changed the category to give it all the rights of a normal user but the add event dialog still doesn't show :(
ricks99: not sure what the issue is. as long as you have add_events enabled for the category perm, for the specific calendar, should work
jjg0th: it does, except I cannot add events ^^
the dialog shows a login page
it opens the usual "add event" dialog, but inside the dialog it shows the login page, very strange
ricks99: oh... sorry. i thought this was for a registered group. you want to give anonymous ability to add events?
-: ricks99 very confused.
jjg0th: the calendar category gives no permissions to anonymous
lemme summarize
ricks99: can you post an image of your error page?
jjg0th: I add a calendar (with some global permissions), I assign it to my calendar category (which allows calendar group members to add event)
ok
ricks99: if you're seeing a Please Login dialog, it means you're not logged in
jjg0th: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71965662/screenshot.png
ricks99: 9.0 (SVN) -- are you using from SVN or the relased 9.0 package?
jjg0th: to continue the above: then I login as user "calendar" (he belongs to group calendar) and view the calendar, then I double click the calendar
svn 9.x branch
ricks99: ah... well there may be bugs in the .x stuff
jjg0th: at the moment it is still 9.0
ricks99: hm... footer on the screen says from SVN
jjg0th: it is a LTS version?
that's what the page and users here said
ricks99: LTS is 6
jjg0th: they told me 9 is LTS too essentially
that's also what the webpage says
ricks99: what webpage? the http://tiki.org/download has 6.x as LTS and 9.0 as current stable
where are you seeing 9.0 is LTS?
jjg0th: sec
http://dev.tiki.org/Get+code
also some people here told me it was a LTS
ricks99: according to the roadmap, 9.x will become LTS upon the release of 10.
jjg0th: the webpage says LTS
but whatever
ricks99: no. 9.x (probably .1 or .2 *will* become LTS upon release of 10
pls see http://dev.tiki.org/Version+lifecycle
jjg0th: I have to solve this issue now
this is not helping to solve my issue ^^
ricks99: 1. suggest you use a rleased version, not dev code
jjg0th: no
I already made that decision
ricks99: ok. if you're using dev code, then be prepared for bugs. may need to do daily svn updates then
jjg0th: people told me that essentially 9.x is LTS, I guess they meant: it will be as soon as 10 is released which is very soon
ricks99: yes. the "x" means that the actual release number is not yet known
it will most likely be 9.1 or 9.2
jjg0th: what are we talking about here?
ricks99: 9.1 or 9.2 will be the next LTS
jjg0th: I already told you I am useing the 9.x branch, I cannot just change that
so I don't see the point to discuss this further
ricks99: not sure i can help then. by definition, if you're using a ".X" branch, the code is not released
sorry i can't help further
jjg0th: that's kind of cheap
I understand: I dunno, sorry
ricks99: ?
jjg0th: but to say I cannot help because you are using a development version is really cheap imo
especially because I'm pretty sure this is not due to the development version
ricks99: sorry. works on my 9.0 and 6.7 sites
have you refreshed your svn branch and tried?
jjg0th: I made a mistake or forgot some permission somewhere
I cannot update the svn branch, our isg does that
ricks99: well, the snapshot that you took of the .x dev branch may have had bugs
jjg0th: yes, but I don't think so
in this special case
ricks99: that's why ther'es a big notice: Information Important This development branch may not be considered stable or for production use.
suggest you try posting to the support forum for wider audience
jjg0th: if you are quoting web sites I already told you it says LTS
so the website should be updated accordingly
ricks99: http://info.tiki.org/download
jjg0th: http://dev.tiki.org/Get+code
the users here told me the other page was outdated
ricks99: notice at the top of the dev.tiki.org site it says "DEVELOPMENT"
jjg0th: and the second page _CLEARLY_ suggests that 9.x is LTS
ricks99: yes.. "X" is a variable. means "unknown"
jjg0th: everything is development
ricks99: no. code that is released is released
jjg0th: I get your point but you're just babbling stuff that does not help at all
ricks99: sorry. can't get into this further.
i'm able to have multiple calendars with different groups on my9.0 and 6.7 sites
jjg0th: and if I'm to go at that level it is very clear that the web page above does not give the impression you try to pass on
ok
thanks for the help
anyone else here?
-: ricks99 thinks the download page seems obvious with its wanrning about dev code
jjg0th: agree for download page
ok, I found out something, maybe it helps:
marclaporte: Tiki 9 is LTS in the sense that it will be supported for a very long time. However, since it's still in the early days, our http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle makes it possible for people to wait until 10 to upgrade to it
Jyhem: this can be answered by dumping the mysql database, downloading a released 9.0 version and importing the database in the 9.0. That would answer the question "is it configuration or code regression?"
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ricks99: +1 jyhem's suggestion
gaurav__: hi
jjg0th: I change the global permission to give calendar rights to the calendar group => then everything works, but if I remove those global permission and add them as category permission and assign the category to some calendars, then adding events no longer works
yep that would show it indeed
marclaporte: So if you are running a 6.7 site (which is very very stable), you may not want to upgrade to 9.0. But, if you are starting a new project, and want to be support for a long long time, it makes sense to start with 9.0, and regularly upgrade to 9.1, 9.2, etc.
jjg0th: exactly
gaurav__: can any one help me
jjg0th: especially considering calendars ^^
gaurav__: in knowing how can i use the webmail
ricks99: gaurav__: have you looked at the docs: http://doc.tiki.org/webmail
jjg0th: lets say I want to replace global permissions for all calendars with category permissions, what do I do?
I thought I just add a category, view all calendars, select the corresponding category there and I'm done
the next step would be to only give a few calendars those permissions
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re, oups
gaurav__: ricks... i have already checked that but i am not able see the mais with subject line
as i have cofigured my official mail
like smtp and pop and even mails are donwload
?
jjg0th: I now did it your way ricks99
I simply changed the objects permissions, but then I still cannot add events
it only works if I change the global permissions
then I can indeed add events
gaurav__: can u please tell me what shuld i do now ?
jjg0th: could it be related to this: http://dev.tiki.org/item2838 ?
hmm, I could do the opposite, make a category "not calendar" and give it to calendars that should not be viewable by calendar ....
gaurav__: ?
jjg0th: yep that works
this solves my issue, not elegant but works
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RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: Did you fix the bug that is making plugins save as html in wysiwyg?
jonnyb: in trunk? no sorry, not on my current list
afraid i haven't at all caught up with what you've been doing in there
fabricius: jjg0th: hi, still there?
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tikiwiki: [FIX] registration: Don't display just the email input on it's own if it's not valid, now error reporting is better.
tikiwiki: Also, display all the detected errors in one go instead of one at a time.
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jonnyb: most odd, both those commits to tiki-jquery.js have caused errors for me, requiring deleting the dir and starting again (so dull!)
just my "svn tax" for the month i guess...
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arildb: robertPlummer: It looks much better after this last commit. Thanks
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changi_away: hi there
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: Is there an easy way of extending the registration process by adding a group purchasing plugin?
jonnyb: hmm - deep in the group registration stuff now (getting validation to work)
i guess have a look at pretty tracker registration
but i guess most you could do would be jq client-side stuff in that (maybe)
probably a good place to start...
RobertPlummerMob: jonnyb: The problem with ckeditor and parser was $parseroption vs $this->option
I think it is mostly fixed, and by the way, debugging in phpstorm is AWESOME!
jonnyb: nice!
i guess the $parseroption to $this->option change is a big thing
it's all over the place! :)
RobertPlummerMob: Good smile or bad one?
jonnyb: If php is OO, why not use it?
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jonnyb: RobertPlummer: (welcome back :) ) "If php is OO" - "if" is the key word in that question i think :)
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jonnyb: off now, more tomorrow...
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fabricius: ah no it was the short one
changi: i can remove it from logs if you want
CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r42366 10/trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ (Wiki.jison Wiki.js Wiki.php): [FIX] EOF was being called, part of old method
changi: fabricius: it was removed from log
:)
fabricius: changi: yes pleas :-)
thanks
and changed
RobertPlummerMob: fabricius: I'm in your computer.
fabricius: hehe Robert
you'd like to :-D
this wasone of my newer and longer ones - you will never guess that I now turned it back forward
have to go off for a while ... bbs
CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r42367 10/branches/9.x/templates/ (tiki-create_multilang_pages.tpl tiki-pick_avatar.tpl): [FIX] img and input doesn't need closing tag
-: Jyhem bangs his head trying to add a custom validation for a custom tracker field :-(