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   marclaporte: <u>lphuberdeau</u>:  for Classroom, I get validateCategory error
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   marclaporte: <u>EO_</u>:  I am testing
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: anymore feature requests? :-)
   <br> <u>EO_</u>:  I confirm the issue. RobertPlummer is the genius behind the spreadsheet. Robert:  How do we make a wiki page link in a cell?
   refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: AFAICS there's already a lot of stuff available
   marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>: http://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features
   refizul: workflow - project management - document management - calendar
   marclaporte: Something new we worked on a few weeks ago during the TikiFest in Barcelona :http://doc.tiki.org/PluginTrackerCalendar
   refizul: What exactly does this "social software" do? Is this something like Facebook on my own server?
   marclaporte: What do you mean by Social Software?  Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software
   <br> If you mean Social Networking, there are some features in Tiki which let you make something like Facebook.  Photo Album, Inter-User Messages, Chat, Shoutbox, etc.
   <br> Discussion forums, events, groups, etc
   refizul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collaborative_software#Comparison_of_collaborative_software_features
   <br> This table - at the lowest row - summarizes the features of Tiki
   marclaporte: oh, use this link instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software
   <br> I will fix the wikipedia page
   refizul: The term "social software" is mentioned there in the third last column.
   marclaporte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software is not the same as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Software on Wikipedia (!)
   refizul: yes, I just noticed that. :-)
   marclaporte: So http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_software is broad and since Tiki does most of what is on that page, I added a "yes"
   <br> It's like Content Management System:   Just about any piece of software is a system to manage content.
   refizul: I guess the best thing to do next is an installation for testing purposes in a virtual machine.
   marclaporte: go for it!
   refizul: Are there special security issues with Tiki?
   marclaporte: Whatever is missing, you can participate to the community to add it :-)
   <br> #1 thing is to keep your Tiki up to date
   refizul: Maybe I can someone convince to contribute a special language support. My task is the technical part. ;-)
   marclaporte: We get a few vulnerabilities per year, and most of the time, they are disclosed responsibly (most of them, we it's active devs that find them) and the supported versions are patched quickly
   refizul: Is there a security mailing list which is supposed to be subscribed?
   marclaporte: See http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle   If you start a project now and won't develop new things, you can stay with 9.x for 3 years
   <br> If you upgrade with regular releases, know that they are only supported for 6-7 months
   <br> There is no security-only list, but you should subscribe to http://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php?nlId=6&amp;info=1
   <br> Or via RSS http://info.tiki.org/tiki-articles_rss.php?ver=2 and check when they are security releases
   <br> also, your Tiki will tell you in the admin panel if a new version is available
   refizul: the newsletter will be fine
   marclaporte: What is "special language support" ?
   refizul: the lifecycle roadmap is nice - looks like a well considered plan
   marclaporte: A lot of thought was put in to this indeed!
   refizul: off language: maybe some arabic translations, but I cannot promise that right now
   marclaporte: To find a delicate balance of work involved and what different types of community members want/need
   <br> ok, that would be awesome!
   <br> I worked briefly on one site which has the 6 languages of the UN, thus including arabic
   <br> Right-to-left support was added to Tiki a very long time ago, and a few months ago, some fixes/enhancements were made
   <br> I suspect you will find some weird things sometimes, but the basic UTF-8 support is all clean since Tiki 5.1  (Tiki started in 2002, and systems back then weren't as UTF-8 as today)
   <br> You can contribute translations here: http://i18n.tiki.org/  or via SVN
   <br> Do you code?
   refizul: I can, but actually I do more administration
   marclaporte: ok, FYI: http://dev.tiki.org/Commit+Code
   refizul: most installations are somewhat odd - if you want to be it done the right way: do it yourself
   marclaporte: the demo sites tend to get very messy :-)
   EO_: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: I'll say lots of nice things about you to people if you fix wiki page linking from a spreadsheet cell :)
   marclaporte: <u>EO_</u>:  can you try on the Tiki6 demo?
   refizul: Would Tiki be a considerable replacement for an combination of Joomla and MediaWiki?
   marclaporte: yes.
   refizul: There's a special project where the whole setup bothers me. Are there any tools for content migration?
   marclaporte: http://doc.tiki.org/MediaWiki+Importer  but not for Joomla!
   <br> There is an importer for WordPress as well
   refizul: ok, MediaWiki is the main stuff. Joomla can be crowdsourced and transferred manually, only ~500 or even less pages
   marclaporte: If you are going to wiki pages: http://doc.tiki.org/XML+Wiki+Import-Export
   <br> If you are going to news articles, there is a script somewhere to import from .csv
   refizul: the hard issue will be convincing some people who are involved in certain decisions ;-)
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   marclaporte: Are you having issues with plugins and upgrades?
   refizul: yes, upgrades are a problem.
   <br> but this is not a technical problem
   marclaporte: often, with many CMSs, people install all kinds of plugins/extensions and then, it becomes a nightmare to upgrade. So people don't and then, they hit security vulnerabilities
   refizul: there wasn't a nightmare, but there wasn't upgrades either :-/
   marclaporte: hehe
   refizul: now it's my turn to fix some things
   <br> If I knew all that before, I'd never agreed to do anything related to this project. It had been a nightmare for a couple of month.
   marclaporte: of course, they hide the nightmare part as long as they can
   refizul: we almost left the red zone and are close to "doing it right" now
   marclaporte: I hope it happnes
   <br> happens
   <br> I always think "long term"
   <br> because ugly short cuts eventually come back to bite you
   <br> In Tiki, we worked very hard to get Lifecycle/release/LTS all streamlined. It was hard work, but now, releases are so much easier than before.
   refizul: yeah - I appreciate this philosophy
   <br> at the beginning some things are more work to do, but in the long run you'll win with a good concept
   marclaporte: yup!
   <br> And the http://tiki.org/Model we have developed is just awesome :-)
   <br> <u>EO_</u>:  v6 is also problematic: http://demo.tiki.org/6x/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=1
   <br> <u>EO_</u>:  It did work in the past. I remember including a wiki page in a cell
   <br> Wiki page inclusion still works: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=11
   <br> http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-sheets.php?offset=0&amp;sort_mode=title_asc&amp;edit_mode=1&amp;sheetId=11   Wiki Parse Values: is not staying set
   <br> RobertPlummer will want to know this
   <br> Already reported: http://dev.tiki.org/item4077
   refizul: there are demo installations announced, but all of them seem not to work
   marclaporte: http://demo.tiki.org/ works
   <br> <u>EO_</u>: please purse the issue until resolution. It's probably a 5-min fix
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: good luck with your convincing
   <br> bbl
   refizul: bye
   <br> ah - forgot one question: how much RAM is recommended to start a virtual machine with Tiki?
   marclaporte: For the VM, I don't know, but once you get to installing Tiki, use http://doc.tiki.org/Server+Check
   refizul: minimum 512 MB -&gt; http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements
   <br> What is supposed to be done if device mapper runs out of minor numbers? ;-) I'll get my VM tonight, you can bet :-)
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   RobertPlummer: <u>marclaporte</u>: Thanks for updating me on this, I will put it on the list
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   <br> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43019 10/trunk/lib/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
   <br> tikiwiki: [FIX] Bringing the parser closer to beta, have expanding headers working now, tested with more dev.tiki.org data, seems solid
   <br> tikiwiki: [ENH] Broke the block parsing into a less nested structure, with a nested recovery just in case
   <br> tikiwiki: [ENH] Using now the actual breaking character returned to the parser from method line($ch) where $ch is the detected character from the string being parsed rather than assuming it is "n", in some cases, it is not set
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   <br> Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4293 - - can't view all image  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4293
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   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43021 10/trunk/styles/ (18 files in 5 dirs): [CSS] Unused selectors removed (calendar .calprio* and messages .prio* classes to indicate background colors).
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43022 10/trunk/styles/layout/ (design.css layout.css): [CSS] Off-screen text shouldn't need color properties.
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   CIA-98: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43023 10/trunk/styles/ (39 files in 13 dirs): [CSS] Calendar day classes .caleven and .calodd no longer used; .caltable .even and .caltable .odd can be used instead if necessary.
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43024 10/trunk/styles/ (11 files in 3 dirs): [CSS] Removing styles for no longer used feature-specific links in calendar.
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43025 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [CSS] Removing styles for no longer used feature-specific links in calendar.
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   <br> tikiwiki: Generic "heading" class added to td.calHeading to simplify styling (global
   <br> tikiwiki: heading style can cover this case if no special treatment is needed). Containing
   <br> tikiwiki: table given class "calendarweek" and inline CSS moved to calendar.css.
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43027 10/trunk/css/calendar.css:
   <br> tikiwiki: Generic "heading" class added to td.calHeading to simplify styling (global
   <br> tikiwiki: heading style can cover this case if no special treatment is needed). Containing
   <br> tikiwiki: table given class "calendarweek" and inline CSS moved to calendar.css.
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43028 10/trunk/styles/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [CSS] More unused classes removed (.Cal, .Cal0, etc.).
   <br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43029 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [CSS] More unused classes removed (.Cal, .Cal0, etc.).
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   wu-lee: Given a group with access to edit a particular category, how would members of the group create new wiki pages in that category?
   <br> It's not obvious from the docs nor my experiments (with tiki 9.1) that this is possible since the new pages are apparently created with no category, and the attempt gets "access denied"
   <br> (s/9.1/9.0/)
   <br> (members of the group mustn't be allowed to edit wiki pages outside the category)
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   marclaporte: wu-lee:  good catch
   <br> I think something is coming in Tiki10 to that respect
   lphuberdeau: actually, this used to work, but it was so unused as a feature that it broke sometimes between 4 and 9 - restored in 10 with the new workspace ui, hoping more people will use it and the feature will keep working
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   marclaporte: wu-lee: do you want to be part of the Beta Test Program™?
   <br> (for workspace UI)
   lphuberdeau: you get a special bonus if you join before 10, I might actually fix stuff when reported
   marclaporte: hahahahhaha
   <br> wu-lee: http://doc.tiki.org/Workspace+UI#Video
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   wu-lee: <u>marclaporte</u>: thanks
   <br> wrt. Beta Test Program, let me know what's involved, although I've mostly exhausted my client's money just installing Tiki 9.0 and getting things going
   marclaporte: It was just a joke
   <br> no money involved
   <br> But if you can test and find bugs, we can fix before 10.0
   <br> A recurring issue with big developments by Louis-Philippe is that too few people from the community test in trunk period.  People start testing around 10.1 or 10.2 and then, it's too late to make some bigger fixes and it gets pushed back to 11.0
   fabricius: haha marc
   <br> marclaporte:
   <br> I already started to switch to pre-10
   <br> <u>me</u>: alphatester
   <br> *gg�*
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   wu-lee: ah, I have heard about these "joke" things
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: suppose my clients want to stick to the LTS version...
   <br> (as I think they do)
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   wu-lee: how do they get bugfixes for things like that?  they get backported at some point?
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   marclaporte: wu-lee: backport depends on size/risk and if someone will do it
   <br> In general, if it's self contained and code hasn't moved too much, that makes sense
   <br> it's a case by case thing
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   marclaporte: wu-lee:  As you are offering services, you can list yourself here: http://info.tiki.org/article147-Announcing-the-Tiki-Service-Provider-Program
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   Jyhem: wu-lee: in Admin → Groups → edit a group, there is a "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group:" drop-down. Does it not do what you want ?
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   Jyhem: Otherwise, the way that is fonfirmed to work is : create a structure with option "Categorize structure pages together  (found in wiki) " and hide the classic wiki page creation, so they can only add to the structure and it gets automatically categorized
   changi: polom
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   marclaporte: <u>changi</u>: polom
   <br> <u>changi</u>: I'd like your opinion on http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/27784
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   changi: <u>marclaporte</u>: the main goal is to install svn bisect ?
   <br> oups bisec :)
   marclaporte: well, the main goal is to have community solution to detect / pinpoint / fix regressions
   <br> and bisect seems like a worthy tool to that end
   changi: sounds like a good tool
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   wu-lee: <u>Jyhem</u>: it might, currently trying to get it to work
   Jyhem_laptop: talking of bisecting. When was last plugin aliases working in Tiki8 ? Tiki7 ? Tiki6?
   <br> So I can look at what to expect
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   wu-lee: <u>Jyhem</u>: so I've set a test user's default group, and set the default category for that group to be the one the group can edit wiki pages in
   <br> however, I still get "access denied" when creating a page
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   <br> In TW 9.0, I have a standalone PHP file (xyz.php) in the same directory and domain as the other tiki php files. I want this file to be used only by registered users of tiki. Is there a way for me to do this, say, by checking a session variable?
   <br> I.e. the same session variable used by TW
   <br> I want to make sure that the PHP file (xyz.php) is being called from within TW and not directly (to prevent hotlinking)
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   Jyhem_laptop: wu-lee: so the bug is confirmed :-( That's probably the reason why I used the structures, at the time. Can't remember :-(
   deeku: Another question: tiki-admin_credits.php lets me create a 'Credit Type'; how do I edit the Credit Type name or delete it?
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   CIA-98: tikiwiki: 03amette * r43036 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-check.tpl tiki-check.php): [ENH] (Very) quick check for crashed tables when running inside Tiki
   marclaporte: <u>amette</u>: how do you crash tables to test? :-)
   amette: <u>marclaporte</u>: that wasn't easy........
   <br> and actually I don't manage to do it any more... so I stopped testing and rely on people like luciash and others with frequently crashed tables to test
   <br> but basically I just uploaded a biiiig file to a file gallery and then did # killall -9 mysqld
   <br> obviously the file needs to be very big as you upload from localhost to localhost...
   <br> ... worked some times, but not really reliably - so now others need to test! :)
   RobertPlummer: refresh
   <br> woops
   <br> private function olderId($fileId)
   <br> {
   <br> global $tikilib;
   <br> $olderFileId = $tikilib-&gt;getOne("SELECT archiveId FROM tiki_files WHERE fileId = ?", array($fileId));
   <br> if ($olderFileId &gt; 0) {
   <br> return $this-&gt;olderId($olderFileId);
   <br> } else {
   <br> return $fileId;
   <br> }
   <br> }
   <br> function oldestId()
   <br> {
   <br> global $tikilib;
   <br> $fileId = $this-&gt;getParam('fileId');
   <br> return $this-&gt;olderId($fileId);
   <br> }
   <br> 23 -&gt; 21 -&gt; 0(stop) return 21 for example.
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: ^
   marclaporte: that is a way to crash a MySQL table?
   amette: uhm, what?!
   <br> it shows you the history of previous ids a file has had?
   <br> but I don't see it crashing a table :)
   marclaporte: Robert is struggling with a Tiki File Gallery issue
   amette: obviously
   deeku: Friends, a quick question: tiki-admin_credits.php lets me create a 'Credit Type'; how do I edit the Credit Type name or delete it?
   marclaporte: <u>deeku</u>: a question for Nelson Ko :_)
   <br> :-)
   <br> <u>amette</u>:  I am pleased crashed tables is part of Low hanging Fruit
   deeku: Ok, now one for you:
   <br> In TW 9.0, I have a standalone PHP file (xyz.php) in the same directory and domain as the other tiki php files. I want this file to be used only by registered users of tiki. Is there a way for me to do this, say, by checking a session variable?
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   marclaporte: <u>amette</u>: The MySQL Variable Information section is quite long.  Are there useful things in there that should be at the top?  ex: max_connections
   EO_: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: Have you seen the wiki-links being broken when inside spreadsheet cells bug yet?
   RobertPlummer: I saw it.
   -: EO_ pesters
   marclaporte: <u>deeku</u>:  http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World#The_Hello_World_page
   RobertPlummer: I'm just soo busy EQ_
   EO_: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: I'll send you a whole TEN dollars! :)
   amette: <u>marclaporte</u>: well, while doing it, it didn't feel so low hanging any more and now let's see how well the check actually works (got the idea from PHPMyAdmin, but found no confirmation on the net)
   marclaporte: slow_query_log slow_query_log_file      Is it OK to have slow_query_log  ON for production servers?
   deeku: Thanks Marc!
   marclaporte: <u>deeku</u>:  I answerd the other day, but you must have missed it :-)
   amette: <u>marclaporte</u>: I wouldn't enable slow_query_log on production servers except for performance issues debugging as the logging itself slows MySQL down.
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