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marclaporteamette: right, so this could use a plain English info warning? :-) [00:05]
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CIA-98tikiwiki: 03amette * r43037 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Check MySQL for complete UTF-8 support [00:26]
amettemarclaporte: sounds reasonable ;) [00:26]
marclaporteamette: this looks interesting: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-check.php (MySQL - UTF-8 part) [00:27]
ametteyup, that doesn't look healthy [00:28]
Should I just make that ugly? As it perhaps may be just the right setting on a legacy install to not corrupt the database further...?! [00:33]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03amette * r43038 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Better explanation when not fully UTF-8 in MySQL [00:36]
tikiwiki: 03amette * r43039 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Check for UTF-8 collation in MySQL [00:48]
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marclaportecollation_connection is different than collation_database (strange!) http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-check.php
amette: If a lot of users will get a particular warning and it's not critical, we may want to avoid being too strong on warnings 		[01:13]
I officially declare that Tiki Check is miles ahead of any compatibility script I have ever seen!
http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-check.php looks good 		[01:21]
ametteyeah, those charsets... but nice result, yeah! :)
and the collation doesn't matter that much - it can't really destroy data as the charset settings can 		[01:28]
marclaportegood point
amette: you have done a superb job. You will save hundreds of hours of a lot of people with this script
not to mention people that give up on Tiki because they are stuck 		[01:29]
amettethanks marclaporte - the more I use it, the more I realize how important it is :) [01:32]
marclaporteHow common do you feel it is to permit overriding via PHP? [01:32]
ametteI don't know how common it is, but I consider it bad practice. [01:32]
marclaporteBecause I am starting to think that perhaps we should have a tiki-admin.php?page=server page which permit to set values via Tiki
not disagreeing that it's bad practice 		[01:33]
amettethere are good reasons to set values server wide and if the admin feels he has no control over a web application he will lock it down.
such an admin page would be a somehow fair compromise
still you don't know how shared hosters will react 		[01:33]
refizulre - Q: can I install a new database within the install procedure? I don't want the DB admin to be the Tiki DB user. [01:34]
marclaporteIn my experience, most shared hosts let you override via php.ini or htaccess [01:35]
ametteI think an admin panel and getting rid of all special cases in the code and listing them in the panel would be a good solution. [01:35]
marclaporterefizul: use adminer or something like that to create the user
amette: I know this is not clean: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=42880 		[01:36]
ametteyeah, I shrugged on that [01:37]
marclaporteI get plenty of support requests in forums or via email [01:38]
amettewell, actually I made me think a bit longer
but if that case would be listed as configurable on tiki-admin.php?page=server (and I wouldn't mind setting a high value as default) then I think that it is not a really bad thing to do
as long as we don't go throwing this at all our performance problems 		[01:38]
refizulmarclaporte: ok, I can do that from outside Tiki, no problem. Is there a recommendation for collation? utf8_bin or so? [01:40]
ametteonly where it makes sense, like with long input/output times as in creating dumps
refizul: utf8_your_language is fine otherwise just use utf8_general_ci 		[01:40]
refizulutf8_general_ci - yes, looks fine, should be somewhat generic [01:42]
ametteexactly :)
marclaporte: do you think it would be a good idea to move the more important or commonly known as problematic items in tiki-check.php higher up in their respective tables - or is it bad to show lots of red stuff right at the beginning? :) 		[01:42]
refizulDoes the Tiki DB user need GRANT? [01:46]
amettenot that I know of [01:47]
marclaporteamette: good idea to move the most important/common to the top [01:48]
amettemarclaporte: ok, will do that while beautifying [01:49]
refizulI can enforce https login, but then in the config there is a box like "user allowed to continue with ssl" - is it possible to enforce https always? [01:58]
marclaporterefizul: it's called "protect all sessions" [01:59]
ametterefizul: next time you do it choose utf_unicode_ci - apparantly meanwhile the performance difference is neglectible: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/766809/whats-the-difference-between-utf8-general-ci-and-utf8-unicode-ci#766996 [02:04]
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refizulamette: this won't be my last installation during the next days ;-)
I keep this hint in mind - thx
marclaporte: I don't see this for the session, only for login 		[02:09]
I can activate "Users can choose to stay in SSL mode after an HTTPS login", but I do not find the session protection in general [02:19]
marclaporterefizul: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=1&display [02:21]
amette: should MySQL Variable Information (the long list) be hidden like php info?
( I have no opinion yet, just asking) 		[02:27]
refizulmarclaporte: thx, now I got it. The https stuff is splitted into login and security. A little bit confusing if someone doesn't know. [02:30]
marclaporteI agree
I started merging at one point, but it got messy and I never finished
It should all go to security, no? 		[02:30]
refizulit should be possible to take that choice during the install process (wishlist) or (at least) there should be a hint to check that in the security panel
If all goes to security someone will be confused because something is missing at the login config - I guess there is no final answer to that kind of question
I remember similar https voodoo stunts with Wordpress - this is/was pita
Are the cookies secured against protocol change?
What I mean is this: if I allow http and https login, will a https login be valid for https only, or can I configure this behaviour?
It is very important to prevent users from exposing credentials without their intention. 		[02:33]
marclaporterefizul: great question. I don't know [02:44]
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refizulI saw this good cookie behaviour at mediawiki, but in addition I saw a huge political wiki in the wild with the cookie flaw. I don't know which software is used by the latter one. [02:46]
Jyhemmarclaporte: like refizul, i did not know about "protect all sessions". I believe it needs to be copied besides "Require secure https login" and "Use HTTPS when building user-specific links" in Admin → Login [02:48]
marclaporteShort term answer is "protect all sessions" :-) [02:48]
refizulThe "Idk"-software is Mediawiki, too. This is strange. One behaves good, one bad. [02:50]
marclaporteMaybe a 3rd party plugin? or a diff config, or a diff version [02:52]
refizulat first: different admins *eg* [02:53]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r43040 10/branches/9.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl: Adding Protect all sessions with HTTPS next to relevant HTTPS settings in the admin panel. Suggested by refizul and jyhem on IRC [02:54]
marclaporterefizul: so if it's a different cookie for https and http, the user needs to login twice? [02:56]
refizulyes, if he wants to use both protocols, he needs to login with both protocols
the point is: if I send him a link with http and he is logged in with https, I shouldn't see his credentials in my network 		[02:56]
marclaporte"Use HTTPS when building user-specific links" may not be a big issue because "Protect all sessions with HTTPS" will redirect everything [02:58]
refizulwhat exactly is a user-specific link? An internal wiki link?
A general rewrite for external links wouldn't make sense, would it? 		[02:59]
marclaportethere is also links to get some js from external servers [03:04]
refizulBut you cannot rewrite them without checking whether https works, can you?
There is already a link from security https to Log in https issues. Just vice versa is missing AFAICS. 		[03:06]
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marclaportealso reported: http://dev.tiki.org/item4292 [03:09]
refizulFor the intended purpose it is quite good to be able to enforce https - the remainding stuff is "nice to have".
Now it needs only a three month lecture to teach users the https, certificate and browser warning stuff ;-) 		[03:16]
marclaporte:-) [03:17]
refizulBut only the Firefox users - Chrome and Chromium seem to accept CAcert
Is there an average estimate configuration time or learning time?
My next goal is - before digging into all the details - is setting up an online document like a spread sheet or something, just to show to some people who consider to leave Google+ 		[03:18]
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marclaporterefizul: do you have your commit access yet? [03:23]
refizulat the Tiki project? [03:24]
marclaporteyup [03:24]
refizulno, I don't even have got an account or something [03:24]
marclaporteSo you can tell the people you work with that Tiki is awesome and if there are issues, we have commit access and we can fix it :-)
What is your http://sourceforge.net/ username? 		[03:24]
refizulI can manage the details of this kind of stuff in a couple of days, earliest time [03:25]
marclaporteSome background info: http://info.tiki.org/article188-Tiki-reaches-500-contributors-with-commit-access :-) [03:25]
refizulOh, I'm not active at sf [03:25]
marclaporte"average estimate configuration time or learning time" Really depends on use case
ok, when you are ready, make an account at sourceforge.net and let me know
For beginners, http://tikiforsmarties.com is a great ressource
I buy those books 10 at a time and I give them to end users and site admins when I start a new project 		[03:26]
refizulactually I'm to stupid to find the document stuff... [03:35]
I need another hint
Where is a link to go to the spread sheet stuff? The menus are still confusing. 		[03:41]
marclaportehttp://demo.tiki.org/9x/ on left hand side [03:43]
refizulThe site http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet tells me how to continue when I'm there, but how to go there? [03:43]
marclaporte"Spreadsheets: [03:43]
refizulManually Enable specific Tiki features?
ah - the features panel, right? 		[03:44]
marclaporteno, the left hand menu module [03:46]
refizulyes (!) - there is the menu item and the create option
I start to understand the philosophy
I'll have to activate each feature first as an admin
googleapis.com JavaScript?
ok - edit and save. I guess enough for this night.
Tiki seems to be my new browser adventure for a couple of days. 		[03:46]
marclaportesuper!
hopefully, for several years :-)
I still discover features, after 9 years! 		[03:54]
refizulI'll be back in 1-2 days or something
good night, cu 		[03:55]
CIA-98tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r43041 10/trunk/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: Improve the UI of uploading images in trackers (still could be quite a bit better) [03:59]
marclaportebye! [03:59]
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43042 10/trunk/styles/ (18 files in 5 dirs): [SVN] Rollback of r43021. .calprio* classes are still used. [08:49]
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43043 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [SVN] Partial rollback of r43025. .calprio* classes are still used. [08:56]
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Hi, we have set up a tikiwii forum and there is a problem with the CKeditor. Anybody there who is into this topic? 		[09:19]
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ricks99Don't forget to nominate Tiki: http://info.tiki.org/article199-Show-Your-Support-for-Tiki [14:34]
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ricks99ricks99 playing with perspectives in tiki 9... awesome stuff. haven't seen it in several releases [15:20]
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CIA-99tikiwiki: 03amette * r43044 10/branches/9.x/lib/comments/commentslib.php: [FIX] Remove forum attachments from filesystem when deleting them [18:03]
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CIA-99tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r43045 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] When there is a limit on the amount of files, use the last files instead of the first ones, which are more likely to be the right one when a user uploads new files [18:39]
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CIA-99tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r43047 10/trunk/templates/admin/include_workspace.tpl: moving workspace_root_category to advanced section of workspace panel [19:46]
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ricks99anyone know... how can i nest {perspective} plugins using {if/else}?
in Tiki 9 		[20:06]
fabriciusmaybe yes ... what you want to do? [20:07]
ricks99something like: {perspective=1} .... {else perspective=2}.... {else perspective=3}{else}..... {perspective} [20:08]
fabriciusI have setup some areas using a custom module in page top to switch the perspective based on the category of the content [20:08]
ricks99show different content on same wiki page, based on perspective, with a default if no perspective (i.e., perspective = 0)
not using categories 		[20:09]
fabriciusyou mean you want to change s.th. based on the perspective? [20:09]
ricks99on a single wiki pae, without having to resort to 3 different instances of the {perspective} plugin [20:09]
fabriciusa similar to the group plugin, but only for {perspective} instead of {group}
hmmm
never thought about that 		[20:10]
ricks99Looking for an alternative to using: {perspective=1}...{perspective}{perspective=2}...{perspective}{perspective=3}...{perspective}{perspective=0}...{perspective}
^^^ requires 4 separate instances... 4x the overhead :( 		[20:11]
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fabriciusThis plugin is not working for me in that way ricks99 [20:22]
CIA-99tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r43048 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] Improve service dialog to display errors on initial load (such as permission denied, instead of white screen), and remove OK/Cancel buttons when not applicable [20:25]
fabriciusricks99: which version u r using? [20:28]
ricks999 [20:30]
fabriciusme too [20:35]
ricks99looking for an alterantive to "stacked" plugin instances [20:36]
fabricius{perspective=1}This is Perspective ONE{perspective} delivers:
{perspective=1}This is Perspective ONE
in all perspectives
I am looking aswell, but I do not get it running upfront 		[20:36]
ricks99it is perspectives=1
note "s"
individually works fine. just need a way to avoid multiple instances 		[20:39]
fabriciusahhhh
thx
typo!!!
hmmm args - still not working 		[20:39]
ricks99{PERSPECTIVE(perspectives=1)}...{PERSPECTIVE} works for me [20:41]
BsfezHey Rick Torsteen [20:45]
fabriciushey Bsfez [20:45]
ricks99lshana tova Bsfez [20:45]
fabriciusOK ricks99 works now for me aswell - but no idea how to {eleif} ... maybe try with smarty?
{elseif}
hmmm but on a wikipage 		[20:46]
ricks99would rather not use external resources or customizations. just wanted to see if anyone else knew an easier way.
guess i'll udate the plugin to support nested conditions 		[20:47]
fabriciussorry lad
good point 		[20:48]
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CIA-99tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43049 10/trunk/tiki-edit_draw.php: [FIX] Ensure that the image has a width and height
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43050 10/trunk/tiki-download_file.php: [FIX] Migrate over to http request, to expose header/content type
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43051 10/trunk/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [FIX] added method "updateReference" to change reference of location when file id changes 		[21:22]
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43052 10/trunk/lib/svg-edit_tiki/draw.js: [FIX] Only hide what needs to be hidden [21:34]
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tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43053 10/trunk/lib/setup/javascript.php: [ENH] Expose language as $.lang
tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r43054 10/trunk/lib/svg-edit_tiki/draw.js: [ENH] Use language and some other options, also a fix to the layers button 		[21:56]
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tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43055 10/trunk/ (60 files in 32 dirs): checkstyle - see http://quality.tiki.org [22:15]
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CIA-99tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43056 10/trunk/ (23 files in 12 dirs): checkstyle - see http://quality.tiki.org [22:58]
changigood n00t :) [23:00]
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