[00:05] marclaporte amette: right, so this could use a plain English info warning? :-)
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[00:26] CIA-98 tikiwiki: 03amette * r43037 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Check MySQL for complete UTF-8 support
[00:26] amette marclaporte: sounds reasonable ;)
[00:27] marclaporte amette: this looks interesting: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-check.php  (MySQL - UTF-8 part)
[00:28] amette yup, that doesn't look healthy
[00:33] amette Should I just make that ugly? As it perhaps may be just the right setting on a legacy install to not corrupt the database further...?!
[00:36] CIA-98 tikiwiki: 03amette * r43038 10/trunk/tiki-check.php: [ENH] Better explanation when not fully UTF-8 in MySQL
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[01:13] marclaporte collation_connection  is different than collation_database (strange!)  http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-check.php
[01:15] marclaporte amette: If a lot of users will get a particular warning and it's not critical, we may want to avoid being too strong on warnings
[01:21] marclaporte I officially declare that Tiki Check is miles ahead of any compatibility script I have ever seen!
[01:24] marclaporte http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-check.php looks good
[01:28] amette yeah, those charsets... but nice result, yeah! :)
[01:29] amette and the collation doesn't matter that much - it can't really destroy data as the charset settings can
[01:29] marclaporte good point
[01:31] marclaporte amette:  you have done a superb job. You will save hundreds of hours of a lot of people with this script
[01:31] marclaporte not to mention people that give up on Tiki because they are stuck
[01:32] amette thanks marclaporte - the more I use it, the more I realize how important it is :)
[01:32] marclaporte How common do you feel it is to permit overriding via PHP?
[01:32] amette I don't know how common it is, but I consider it bad practice.
[01:33] marclaporte Because I am starting to think that perhaps we should have a tiki-admin.php?page=server  page which permit to set values via Tiki
[01:33] marclaporte not disagreeing that it's bad practice
[01:33] amette there are good reasons to set values server wide and if the admin feels he has no control over a web application he will lock it down.
[01:34] amette such an admin page would be a somehow fair compromise
[01:34] amette still you don't know how shared hosters will react
[01:34] refizul re - Q: can I install a new database within the install procedure? I don't want the DB admin to be the Tiki DB user.
[01:35] marclaporte In my experience, most shared hosts let you override via php.ini or htaccess
[01:35] amette I think an admin panel and getting rid of all special cases in the code and listing them in the panel would be a good solution.
[01:36] marclaporte refizul: use adminer or something like that to create the user
[01:37] marclaporte amette: I know this is not clean: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=42880
[01:37] amette yeah, I shrugged on that
[01:38] marclaporte I get plenty of support requests in forums or via email
[01:38] amette well, actually I made me think a bit longer
[01:39] amette but if that case would be listed as configurable on tiki-admin.php?page=server (and I wouldn't mind setting a high value as default) then I think that it is not a really bad thing to do
[01:40] amette as long as we don't go throwing this at all our performance problems
[01:40] refizul marclaporte: ok, I can do that from outside Tiki, no problem. Is there a recommendation for collation? utf8_bin or so?
[01:40] amette only where it makes sense, like with long input/output times as in creating dumps
[01:41] amette refizul: utf8_your_language is fine otherwise just use utf8_general_ci
[01:42] refizul utf8_general_ci - yes, looks fine, should be somewhat generic
[01:42] amette exactly :)
[01:44] amette marclaporte: do you think it would be a good idea to move the more important or commonly known as problematic items in tiki-check.php higher up in their respective tables - or is it bad to show lots of red stuff right at the beginning? :)
[01:46] refizul Does the Tiki DB user need GRANT?
[01:47] amette not that I know of
[01:48] marclaporte amette: good idea to move the most important/common to the top
[01:49] amette marclaporte: ok, will do that while beautifying
[01:58] refizul I can enforce https login, but then in the config there is a box like "user allowed to continue with ssl" - is it possible to enforce https always?
[01:59] marclaporte refizul: it's called "protect all sessions"
[02:04] amette refizul: next time you do it choose utf_unicode_ci - apparantly meanwhile the performance difference is neglectible: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/766809/whats-the-difference-between-utf8-general-ci-and-utf8-unicode-ci#766996
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[02:09] refizul amette: this won't be my last installation during the next days ;-)
[02:10] refizul I keep this hint in mind - thx
[02:12] refizul marclaporte: I don't see this for the session, only for login
[02:19] refizul I can activate "Users can choose to stay in SSL mode after an HTTPS login", but I do not find the session protection in general
[02:21] marclaporte refizul: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=1&display
[02:27] marclaporte amette:  should MySQL Variable Information (the long list) be hidden like php info?
[02:28] marclaporte ( I have no opinion yet, just asking)
[02:30] refizul marclaporte: thx, now I got it. The https stuff is splitted into login and security. A little bit confusing if someone doesn't know.
[02:30] marclaporte I agree
[02:31] marclaporte I started merging at one point, but it got messy and I never finished
[02:31] marclaporte It should all go to security, no?
[02:33] refizul it should be possible to take that choice during the install process (wishlist) or (at least) there should be a hint to check that in the security panel
[02:35] refizul If all goes to security someone will be confused because something is missing at the login config - I guess there is no final answer to that kind of question
[02:37] refizul I remember similar https voodoo stunts with Wordpress - this is/was pita
[02:38] refizul Are the cookies secured against protocol change?
[02:41] refizul What I mean is this: if I allow http and https login, will a https login be valid for https only, or can I configure this behaviour?
[02:42] refizul It is very important to prevent users from exposing credentials without their intention.
[02:44] marclaporte refizul:  great question.  I don't know
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[02:46] refizul I saw this good cookie behaviour at mediawiki, but in addition I saw a huge political wiki in the wild with the cookie flaw. I don't know which software is used by the latter one.
[02:48] Jyhem marclaporte: like refizul, i did not know about "protect all sessions". I believe it needs to be copied besides "Require secure https login" and "Use HTTPS when building user-specific links" in Admin → Login
[02:48] marclaporte Short term answer is "protect all sessions" :-)
[02:50] refizul The "Idk"-software is Mediawiki, too. This is strange. One behaves good, one bad.
[02:52] marclaporte Maybe a 3rd party plugin?  or a diff config, or a diff version
[02:53] refizul at first: different admins *eg*
[02:54] CIA-98 tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r43040 10/branches/9.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl: Adding Protect all sessions with HTTPS next to relevant HTTPS settings in the admin panel. Suggested by refizul and jyhem on IRC
[02:56] marclaporte refizul:  so if it's a different cookie for https and http, the user needs to login twice?
[02:56] refizul yes, if he wants to use both protocols, he needs to login with both protocols
[02:57] refizul the point is: if I send him a link with http and he is logged in with https, I shouldn't see his credentials in my network
[02:58] marclaporte "Use HTTPS when building user-specific links"  may not be a big issue because "Protect all sessions with HTTPS" will redirect everything
[02:59] refizul what exactly is a user-specific link? An internal wiki link?
[03:01] refizul A general rewrite for external links wouldn't make sense, would it?
[03:04] marclaporte there is also links to get some js from external servers
[03:06] refizul But you cannot rewrite them without checking whether https works, can you?
[03:08] refizul There is already a link from security https to Log in https issues. Just vice versa is missing AFAICS.
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[03:09] marclaporte also reported: http://dev.tiki.org/item4292
[03:16] refizul For the intended purpose it is quite good to be able to enforce https - the remainding stuff is "nice to have".
[03:17] refizul Now it needs only a three month lecture to teach users the https, certificate and browser warning stuff ;-)
[03:17] marclaporte :-)
[03:18] refizul But only the Firefox users - Chrome and Chromium seem to accept CAcert
[03:20] refizul Is there an average estimate configuration time or learning time?
[03:22] refizul My next goal is - before digging into all the details - is setting up an online document like a spread sheet or something, just to show to some people who consider to leave Google+
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[03:23] marclaporte refizul: do you have your commit access yet?
[03:24] refizul at the Tiki project?
[03:24] marclaporte yup
[03:24] refizul no, I don't even have got an account or something
[03:24] marclaporte So you can tell the people you work with that Tiki is awesome and if there are issues, we have commit access and we can fix it :-)
[03:25] marclaporte What is your http://sourceforge.net/ username?
[03:25] refizul I can manage the details of this kind of stuff in a couple of days, earliest time
[03:25] marclaporte Some background info: http://info.tiki.org/article188-Tiki-reaches-500-contributors-with-commit-access  :-)
[03:25] refizul Oh, I'm not active at sf
[03:26] marclaporte "average estimate configuration time or learning time"  Really depends on use case
[03:28] marclaporte ok, when you are ready, make an account at sourceforge.net and let me know
[03:29] marclaporte For beginners, http://tikiforsmarties.com is a great ressource
[03:29] marclaporte I buy those books 10 at a time and I give them to end users and site admins when I start a new project
[03:35] refizul actually I'm to stupid to find the document stuff...
[03:41] refizul I need another hint
[03:42] refizul Where is a link to go to the spread sheet stuff? The menus are still confusing.
[03:43] marclaporte http://demo.tiki.org/9x/ on left hand side
[03:43] refizul The site http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet tells me how to continue when I'm there, but how to go there?
[03:43] marclaporte "Spreadsheets:
[03:44] refizul Manually Enable specific Tiki features?
[03:45] refizul ah - the features panel, right?
[03:46] marclaporte no, the left hand menu module
[03:46] refizul yes (!) - there is the menu item and the create option
[03:47] refizul I start to understand the philosophy
[03:47] refizul I'll have to activate each feature first as an admin
[03:49] refizul googleapis.com JavaScript?
[03:52] refizul ok - edit and save. I guess enough for this night.
[03:53] refizul Tiki seems to be my new browser adventure for a couple of days.
[03:54] marclaporte super!
[03:54] marclaporte hopefully, for several years :-)
[03:55] marclaporte I still discover features, after 9 years!
[03:55] refizul I'll be back in 1-2 days or something
[03:56] refizul good night, cu
[03:59] CIA-98 tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r43041 10/trunk/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: Improve the UI of uploading images in trackers (still could be quite a bit better)
[03:59] marclaporte bye!
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[08:56] CIA-99 tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r43043 10/trunk/css/calendar.css: [SVN] Partial rollback of r43025. .calprio* classes are still used.
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[09:20] pulsecode Hi, we have set up a tikiwii forum and there is a problem with the CKeditor. Anybody there who is into this topic?
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[14:34] ricks99 Don't forget to nominate Tiki: http://info.tiki.org/article199-Show-Your-Support-for-Tiki
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[15:20] * ricks99 playing with perspectives in tiki 9... awesome stuff. haven't seen it in several releases
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[20:06] ricks99 anyone know... how can i nest {perspective} plugins using {if/else}?
[20:06] ricks99 in Tiki 9
[20:07] fabricius maybe yes ... what you want to do?
[20:08] ricks99 something like: {perspective=1} .... {else perspective=2}.... {else perspective=3}{else}..... {perspective}
[20:08] fabricius I have setup some areas using a custom module in page top to switch the perspective based on the category of the content
[20:09] ricks99 show different content on same wiki page, based on perspective, with a default if no perspective (i.e.,  perspective = 0)
[20:09] ricks99 not using categories
[20:09] fabricius you mean you want to change s.th. based on the perspective?
[20:09] ricks99 on a single wiki pae, without having to resort to 3 different instances of the {perspective} plugin
[20:10] fabricius a similar to the group plugin, but only for {perspective} instead of {group}
[20:10] fabricius hmmm
[20:10] fabricius never thought about that
[20:11] ricks99 Looking for an alternative to using: {perspective=1}...{perspective}{perspective=2}...{perspective}{perspective=3}...{perspective}{perspective=0}...{perspective}
[20:11] ricks99 ^^^ requires 4 separate instances... 4x the overhead :(
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[20:22] fabricius This plugin is not working for me in that way ricks99
[20:25] CIA-99 tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r43048 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] Improve service dialog to display errors on initial load (such as permission denied, instead of white screen), and remove OK/Cancel buttons when not applicable
[20:28] fabricius ricks99: which version u r using?
[20:30] ricks99 9
[20:35] fabricius me too
[20:36] ricks99 looking for an alterantive to "stacked" plugin instances
[20:36] fabricius {perspective=1}This is Perspective ONE{perspective} delivers:
[20:36] fabricius {perspective=1}This is Perspective ONE
[20:36] fabricius in all perspectives
[20:37] fabricius I am looking aswell, but I do not get it running upfront
[20:39] ricks99 it is perspectives=1
[20:39] ricks99 note "s"
[20:39] ricks99 individually works fine. just need a way to avoid multiple instances
[20:39] fabricius ahhhh
[20:39] fabricius thx
[20:39] fabricius typo!!!
[20:41] fabricius hmmm args - still not working
[20:41] ricks99 {PERSPECTIVE(perspectives=1)}...{PERSPECTIVE} works for me
[20:45] Bsfez Hey Rick Torsteen
[20:45] fabricius hey Bsfez
[20:45] ricks99 lshana tova Bsfez
[20:46] fabricius OK ricks99  works now for me aswell - but no idea how to {eleif} ... maybe try with smarty?
[20:46] fabricius {elseif}
[20:47] fabricius hmmm but on a wikipage
[20:47] ricks99 would rather not use external resources or customizations. just wanted to see if anyone else knew an easier way.
[20:47] ricks99 guess i'll udate the plugin to support nested conditions
[20:48] fabricius sorry lad
[20:48] fabricius good point
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[23:00] changi good n00t :)
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