#tikiwiki 2012-09-21,Fri

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fabricius	refizul: I absolutely do not know, but I do not think so.	[01:04]
refizul	fabricius: That's what I expected. I don't know any project where this feature is available.	[01:10]
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refizul	I've got found an unexpected behaviour. I restrict the languages to say a, b and c, where a is default. The language switch drop menu is active. If I use language b or c, the menu shows those three languages available. If I use language a, all languages appear to choose from. I cannot switch to them, but they are visible. I'm logged in as user, not as admin.	[02:08]
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refizul	something similar is well known: http://dev.tiki.org/item1073	[02:39]
	that's odd. the problem is not related to all languages and not related to the default language	[02:47]
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refizul	it gets even worse: not all choosen languages are displayed depending on the active one Restrict to five languages: English, French, Spanish, German, Arabic English and Arabic gives a menu with three languages to choose from German and Spanish give a menu with all languages to choose from, but only the five restricted ones will work	[03:15]
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refizul	French gives a correct menu with the five languages to choose from	[03:19]
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CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r43072 10/trunk/lib/ (13 files in 6 dirs): [REF] Some minor refactoring, part 1	[07:47]
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rodrigoprimo	ricks99: done :)	[13:58]
ricks99	woo hoo	[14:00]
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fabricius	hi everybody	[14:50]
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ricks99	polom jonnyb & fabricius	[14:55]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 and all	[14:55]
fabricius	why everybody assumes, that I did not save, when I tried to move around pages in the structure?	[14:57]
ricks99	?	[14:59]
jonnyb	hi fabricius - tee hee, blame me for the hard-to-find save buttons :)	[14:59]
CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r43076 10/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/9.x 43013 to 43071	[15:00]
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fabricius	jonnyb: no blame, as I found it botto left first hand or are there more, different, specific? you are talking about buttonS?	[15:23]
jonnyb	fabricius: but it still fails to save your changes? no, it just says "save"	[15:24]
fabricius	I actually try to install safari on ubuntu 12.04 and try	[15:25]
jonnyb	chrome should be the same	[15:25]
fabricius	yesteray Jyhem said it would work ... he wanted to present, moved s.th. and gosh it didn't save I tried in chrome and in firefox give me a few minutes and I try again	[15:26]
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Jyhem	hi folks! I have to confirm what Torsten said I set up a small structure in demo.to/9.x and I really liked it	[15:41]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Mind Mapping Install - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45195	[15:42]
Jyhem	Then I went to the doc.to/Documentaion TOC and tried to rearrange and nothing changed I did the same things (same Save button) in both.	[15:43]
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Jyhem	Only difference, in doc.to the structure is huge	[15:43]
jonnyb	hi Jyhem - on phone, with you shortly...	[15:46]
fabricius	ola, I was thrown out ... any news on structures? I still try with safari, but get an error "slow script on tiki.org/tiki-edit_structure.php?... "	[15:47]
Jyhem	I just described what i did yesterday night. Nothing new that you had not told jonnyb anyway	[15:48]
fabricius	playonlinux seems to have broken my touchpad arrrgl	[15:50]
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fabricius	not really working I do a restart now. s.th gets wrong on my computer c ya	[16:02]
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fabricius	jonnyb / Jyhem Jyhem_laptop -> the structure is saving (in firefox), or pretents to save ... but after saving the structure is as before and the changes are discarded!	[17:22]
jonnyb	fabricius: i'll try in fx (shortly)	[17:27]
fabricius	very good jonnyb I think tidying up the main doc structure would be a basic part of the website revamp so I leave it for now and the next days (the structure) thx	[17:29]
jonnyb	fabricius: just worked fine for me in firefox moved a page and changed the alias, clicked save and then reloaded - changes were saved	[17:37]
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Jyhem_laptop	jonnyb: Let me do it again and report step by step	[17:43]
	http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_structures.php → "Documentation TOC " (link in Structure ID column) → Now loking at http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-edit_structure.php?page_ref_id=2 → Scroll down to 4.21.2 (Index of Modules) → click-drag #10: Module adsense to between #2 and #3 (action_similar content and babelfish links) for alphabetic order. Same with Module articles. Now Module adsense should be #3 → Scroll down and click "Save" right above "Add page" Not only is " babelfish links" still #3, but during the process, I seem to have "lost" Module adsense. But that's unrelated, I guess	[17:50]
jonnyb	hmm, odd - i was trying to change the changelog pages right at the bottom - maybe some parts work and some don't?	[17:54]
Jyhem_laptop	changelog works: I moved 1.1 up to below 1.6 But now I can't correct it because the whole structure jumps when I approach the bottom (FF 15.0) But the bottom section definitely does not have the issue Also, I misplaced Module adsense out of 4.21.2 (Index of Modules). Then I dragged it back to position 3 of 4.21.2 (Index of Modules) but it went back to its old #10 position. But it moved to the correct 4.21.2 (Index of Modules) weird	[18:01]
jonnyb	certainly not quite right - but hard to see what the pattern is	[18:05]
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CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r43077 10/branches/9.x/tiki-view_blog.php: [FIX] blogs: Don't re-parse blog post 'data' field if not wysiwyg, leading to posts being double parsed on blog post lists but on individual posts (thanks eromneg)	[18:17]
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changi\|away	jonnyb: hi, which script are you using to merge things in trunk from 9.x	[19:28]
jonnyb	hi changi\|away	[19:30]
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jonnyb	changi\|away: i use: "php doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php branches/9.x"	[19:57]
changi\|away	jonnyb: thx	[20:00]
jonnyb	i had a question for you... but can't think what now :P oh yes, the release diff script - does it still work? i remember pkdille last used it on 6.something but it made a corrupted tarball - never checked again (this following a mail on the dev list)	[20:01]
CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43078 10/trunk/ (. tiki-view_blog.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/9.x 43071 to 43077	[20:04]
jonnyb	:)	[20:04]
marclaporte	Jonny; you mean a script to make 9.0 to 9.1 tarballs?	[20:12]
jonnyb	yup - there is one, might need a little maintenance but should work probably /doc/devtools/tikireleasediff.sh guess changi\|away is really away now...	[20:12]
changi\|away	jonnyb: no i'm still here	[20:20]
jonnyb	:D	[20:20]
changi	ok, let me try	[20:22]
CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43079 10/trunk/ (16 files in 16 dirs): checkstyle - see http://quality.tiki.org	[20:31]
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changi	jonnyb: done :)	[21:00]
jonnyb	coo - on sf.net?	[21:00]
changi	yep	[21:01]
jonnyb	i don't see it - in 9.1 presumably?	[21:02]
changi	don't know if it is in the right folder no i put it in parent folder	[21:02]
jonnyb	ah, i see it - in 9.x	[21:03]
changi	should i move it ?	[21:03]
jonnyb	i think it's a 9.1 thing, no?	[21:03]
changi	yep	[21:03]
jonnyb	looks like it has file in it :) afraid we'll probably need a zip and gzip versions for the out of date people ;)	[21:04]
changi	ok	[21:04]
jonnyb	looks about right to me the dev list email asking for this was from littledove on 18th sept - do you want to reply? or shall i?	[21:04]
changi	jonnyb: you can do it	[21:11]
jonnyb	sort of asked for that, didn't i! will do looks good, all three flavours there now, thanks!	[21:12]
changi	zip / 7z / gz are on sf	[21:14]
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fabricius	rehi	[21:40]
CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r43080 10/trunk/lib/videogals/kalturalib.php: [FIX] kaltura: Fix cases where an account has been deleted or suspended and init of kalturalib fails, leaving uncaught exceptions and preventing changing the prefs (also removed a few unused vars)	[21:40]
fabricius	anybody there with some experience on MySql calloation problems? collation, sry	[21:40]
jonnyb	sorry no fabricius - Jyhem is the collation expert round here afaik	[21:41]
fabricius	I am helping on Tiki 9 installation and there a few french and other special characters are broken ... new ones are shown Ok JYHEM!!! are you there Jyhem?	[21:41]
jonnyb	ah, probably not collation but charset then jonnyb shudders	[21:41]
fabricius	yes more charset I guess we have to "repair" the tables is there any option to change those broken characters? or a script? would not be so nice to do via a handmade regex but I think mostlikely possible	[21:42]
jonnyb	there's a button in the installer that will attempt a fix but if you have a mixture (old ones bad, new ones ok) then you're stuffed i'm afraid	[21:44]
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jonnyb	you could use the installer to fix the pre-upgrade version of the database and then try and "meld" the two together	[21:45]
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jonnyb	how much data? (old and new) hey lindonb - how goes?	[21:45]
lindonb	jonnyb: it goes good, thanks. Back from Norway?	[21:46]
jonnyb	yes - home for a while - Berlin next (month) more crazy art stuff	[21:46]
lindonb	crazy but cool	[21:47]
rinnan	Hmm.. I seem to be unable to upload binary files (tried an excel worksheet and a zip file. Text files and jpgs seem ok) to my file galleries. Are there any settings I ought to be looking at?	[21:47]
lindonb	jonnyb: will you have the fish and table installations there?	[21:47]
rinnan	any ointers would be appreciated (tiki 9.1, using file galleries to store attachments)	[21:48]
jonnyb	rinnan: jpegs are binary so it must be something else	[21:48]
fabricius	jonnyb: about at least a few hundreds of wikipages ... a few French strings here and there (for ex. Montr�al, Qu�bec), but also names in the contributions and the sign ">" in a few wikiplugins ... maybe data in trackes aswell trackers	[21:48]
jonnyb	lindonb: no, it's an old piece - "Call of the Wild"	[21:48]
rinnan	jonnyb: thats what I was thinking as well. Will investigate further	[21:48]
jonnyb	rinnan: usually it's a size thing - max_upload setting in php.ini	[21:49]
fabricius	rinnan and jonnyb - there was a discussion recently about a problem to mime types - especially docx and such yes and size!	[21:49]
jonnyb	fabricius: probably easiest to fix manually - probably with a good text editor on an sql dump	[21:50]
fabricius	could be aswell, should look first	[21:50]
jonnyb	mime-type shouldn't make an upload fail, just have the wrong icon once it gets there	[21:50]
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fabricius	jonnyb: sure that we need to do manually? I am afraid thought. The REPLACE function seems not to be appropriate I think ... too specific to the string where to replace	[21:51]
rinnan	my uploads dont fail with an error message (as they do when the file is too large), it just hangs	[21:51]
jonnyb	fabricius: doing a global thing will probably make more issues than you have already rinnan: what tiki version?	[21:52]
rinnan	9.1	[21:52]
jonnyb	anything in the javascript console?	[21:53]
rinnan	on a fedora-box	[21:53]
jonnyb	tried different browsers?	[21:53]
rinnan	firefox and explorer	[21:54]
CIA-99	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r43081 10/trunk/ (45 files in 22 dirs): checkstyle - see http://quality.tiki.org	[21:57]
rinnan	I get a "File added: " message in the tiki log even if the file doesnt get uploaded	[22:01]
jonnyb	let me try an xls one here, 1 mo...	[22:02]
changi	see ya all	[22:02]
jonnyb	rinnan: just worked fine here, so must be a server setup thing i guess any firewall/anti-virus stuff on your server?	[22:04]
rinnan	jonnyb:could be. I doublechecked using a file that uploads ok on a different install. Works ok on the other site, doesnt upload here so its obviously something wrong in my site, not a tiki issue as such	[22:11]
jonnyb	anything in the server logs (apache error.log etc)?	[22:12]
rinnan	jonnyb: I'm using a cherokee webserver, but there's no errors in its logs	[22:13]
jonnyb	maybe a clue in phpinfo? (search for zip and xls perhaps) they're both possible carriers of viruses, so maybe there's some protection there	[22:14]
rinnan	jonnyb: I'm starting to suspect something like that. Looking in the logs..	[22:17]
	phpinfo contains nothing about xls though I'll try something different now	[22:23]
jonnyb	same here - maybe an apache setting	[22:24]
fabricius	jonnyb Jyhem Jyhem_laptop - their admin fixed the charset special characters, but their are stil plenty of HTML characters in the text, like "(make sure you click on "post" to save your comment)" ... mind the " and in wikiplugins > is >	[22:25]
jonnyb	maybe the 9.x entity upgrade script/s failed	[22:25]
fabricius	known issue? same problem or a different problem? she made a new one and did it different - so the French chars and the Umlaute etc. are fixed the original Tiki 6 DB was indeed latin1_swedish	[22:26]
jonnyb	yes, was a big issue on 9.0 - RobertPlummer wrote some fairly complex scripts that should convert them, maybe somehow they failed to run (properly)	[22:27]
fabricius	they want to present things and continue work - can this be repaired afterwords? they just realised the charset problems one minute before deadline RobertPlummer: are you there?	[22:28]
jonnyb	the entity stuff (like " everywhere) is a different issue, but maybe related	[22:29]
rinnan	jonnyb: keep getting an "Internal Error in Server" message when trying uploads	[22:29]
jonnyb	rinnan: but nothing in the error.log? usually 500 errors get logged somewhere	[22:30]
rinnan	jonnyb: I only found it in the java-console in the browser. The server-logs seem to report everything is ok jonnyb: actually the 500 message is found in the web server access log	[22:32]
jonnyb	aha, and..?	[22:34]
rinnan	doesnt really explain anything though "<ip> - - [21/Sep/2012:22:29:02 +0200] "POST /tiki/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage HTTP/1.1" 500 328 "http://<site>/tiki/tiki-index.php" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) KHTML/4.8.5 (like Gecko) Konqueror/4.8 Fedora/4.8.5-1.fc17""	[22:34]
jonnyb	and nothing in the error log? (if it's enabled)	[22:35]
rinnan	theres nothing in the error-log for the last week or so I'll look into adding more detailed logging	[22:36]
	jonnyb: thanks for helping out. I've gotten closer to the core of things I think. Will resume debugging later	[22:45]
Jyhem	hi	[22:45]
jonnyb	no probs - i'm about dome for today too good luck!	[22:45]
rinnan	thanks, and goodnite	[22:46]
Jyhem	fabricius: the > "post" is how stuff was stored in latin1_swedish maybe the script in the installer (bottom of some page, plenty of warning, that script) couls help. backup first Jyhem looks up archives	[22:46]
jonnyb	Jyhem: i think entities (like ") are stored the same in all char encodings, so i think it's not that but what happens in upgrade_999999991_decode_pages_sources_tiki but it's way too much for my brain now - need to rest more later (day off tomorrow, it's my birthday! :) )	[22:50]
Jyhem	but if the pages display entities, then mybe we have double encoding of entities still. fabricius: do they see the entities on screen in Tiki or into the database ?	[22:53]
fabricius	Jyhem: I see the entities on screen and on screen in editmode ... I have not (notyet?) access to the database They should be visible in the database aswell - I guess what's if not?	[22:58]
Jyhem	Then they might be double encoded. Have you ran the double-encoding fixing script ? when upgrading? you answered about the screen/database part. I was just checking my understanding of the situation	[23:00]
fabricius	ah ok I have no access and the upgrade is beeing done by their admin, not by myself. where could I find the double-encoding fixing script? do you mean the massive error warning thing somewhere in the bottom of the installer? I might get access there	[23:09]
Jyhem	So, my suggestion is : 1/ backup database 2/ go to installer nd run the double-encoding fixing script 3/ quit installer, flush caches and look if things improved Yes, the massive error warning thing somewhere in the bottom of the installer :) That one :) If it works, bingo. If it does not, restore from the database backup I mentioned at step 1 (and flush again) This is for the wiki pages contents, maybe the page names would still have an issue	[23:11]

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