[00:03] amette yeah, the more different servers get tested the better for the stability of tiki-check.php :)
[00:04] fabricius Ok - I think, I get the newest ersion of the file from sourceforge / trunkfolder
[00:05] fabricius get it in a few minutes and throw it around
[00:05] fabricius reziful the reason is simple:
[00:06] fabricius info.tiki.org is a Tiki 6.7 and dev/doc/profiles are Tiki 9.1
[00:07] fabricius refizul:  the Chrome issue is mysterious, but Chrome is mysterious in itself -> ask amette
[00:07] fabricius and refozu sorry, that I called you rez
[00:08] Jyhem_laptop Hi amette !
[00:08] Jyhem_laptop I'm just looking at tiki-check on a new server of mine
[00:08] fabricius ahhh arrgl refizul sorry, that I called you reziful and now refozu, that just was a typo and too quick clicking
[00:09] Jyhem_laptop Very useful: apparently, I have some latin1 in mysql.
[00:09] Jyhem_laptop But you write : Exec can potentially be used to execute arbitrary code on your server. Tiki does not need it, you may want to disable it.
[00:09] Jyhem_laptop Yet, it is used
[00:10] refizul fabricius: I push this Chrome issue to the mystery todo list, maybe I can figure out the problem at halloween ;-)
[00:10] fabricius very good plan
[00:11] amette Jyhem_laptop: ah, is it used? I grepped for it quickly, but didn't find it...
[00:12] Jyhem_laptop web/lib/equation/class.latexrender.php web/lib/pear/Net/Ping.php: web/lib/pear/PEAR/Builder.php: web/doc/devtools/release.php:
[00:12] fabricius refizul: maybe I'll fly by then and say an enlightenment curse
[00:12] Jyhem_laptop some might be redefinitions of exec, but probably not all
[00:13] Jyhem_laptop and then there is some shell_exec()
[00:14] amette ok, so what should we do? I moved these over from tiki-admin_security.php where they were included...
[00:14] amette ... they of course are dangerous (if people don't sanitize their input)...
[00:14] amette ... but if Tiki uses them (and we know we use them responsibly), we shouldn't put
[00:14] amette "risky" there.
[00:16] refizul fabricius: do you own a witches' broom?
[00:17] fabricius refizul: that reminds me, that my broom needs a technical inspection before end of next week ... urgent! ... would be distressing to stay at home then
[00:17] Jyhem_laptop it seems only web/lib/equation/class.latexrender.php is ours. the others are from pear
[00:18] Jyhem_laptop we need some orange status between ok and risky
[00:18] refizul fabricius: technical inspection? Is it a NASA certified broom?
[00:19] Jyhem_laptop you dumped your bike for a flying broom ?
[00:19] fabricius you know, we are in Germany here ...
[00:19] amette Jyhem_laptop: where is class.latexrenderer.php - I don't find it in lib/
[00:19] refizul then you need a TUeV certificate...
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[00:20] fabricius Jyhem_laptop: arrr you know. I never would give away my bike or my laptop if not the live of my kids would depend on it ... even not for a broom
[00:20] fabricius only health of kids is worth more
[00:20] Jyhem_laptop tiki9 lib/equation/class.latexrender.php
[00:21] refizul fabricius: hehe. you can borrow my wife but not my laptop, can't you?
[00:21] Jyhem_laptop ^ amette
[00:21] amette ah, found it, thanks!
[00:22] amette so, I could update the explanation to say that "if you don't use LaTeX rendering, you may disable this"?!
[00:22] Jyhem_laptop refizul: I believe fabricius already dumped hi wife and kept the laptop
[00:23] fabricius refizul: indeed ... so I have no wife nor a girlfriend any more since a while, but I can work on the laptop whenever I want and ride the bike for days whenever I get free of work and gett a few bucks together
[00:23] Jyhem_laptop I am surprised plugin R (a mod) doesn't use it
[00:23] amette bike and laptop is a great combinations - best of real and virtual world :)
[00:24] fabricius refizul and Jyhem_laptop yes indeed! dumped the girl and kept the lapttop ... added a bike a few month ago and did ride more than 2000 kilometers ... enjoyed pretty much
[00:24] fabricius less stress
[00:24] Jyhem_laptop amette: difficult to answer
[00:25] fabricius amette: yes and since I ride, I got back a pretty much necessary part of real life experience - have been a bit too much in VL
[00:25] * amette knows exactly what fabricius means
[00:26] fabricius yeah and kids and friends are important aswell though
[00:26] amette Jyhem_laptop: yeah... difficult... but probably the fairest explanation we can give there?!
[00:27] Jyhem_laptop amette : "Some marginal features such as LaTeX rendering use it, but most installations can disable this"
[00:27] Jyhem_laptop opinions ?
[00:28] amette yeah, sounds good!
[00:28] Jyhem_laptop Best I could find. Should be good enough for now
[00:28] amette I will put the same explanation as with curl_multi_exec and stuff
[00:28] amette yeah, think so too
[00:28] amette so latex is the only thing using it?
[00:29] refizul What would be the appropriate place to store a tiki user's OpenPGP key? The database?
[00:29] Jyhem_laptop Hey, i'm not 100% sure either. Also, *mods* could use it and I have not grepped these
[00:29] amette aaah, mods.... ok, I think they are neglectible
[00:30] Jyhem_laptop refizul: public key ?
[00:30] amette refizul: for what purpose?
[00:30] Jyhem_laptop amette: no, I have R mod (for license reasons it's a mod)
[00:30] refizul Jyhem_laptop: yes, my suggestion was to send emails encrypted from tiki to the user if he chooses it
[00:30] amette refizul: you are Frank?
[00:31] Jyhem_laptop refizul: you could even putit in a user tracker. Why not display it ?
[00:31] amette Jyhem_laptop: yeah, but mods are out of scope of tiki-check.php, I'd say.
[00:32] refizul amette: yes
[00:32] amette refizul: if you are going to create a new feature that sends out e-mails encrypted to the users, it imho makes sense to save the GPG key in the database along the user_preferences
[00:32] amette refizul: welcome to the community, Frank! :)
[00:33] amette I like your idea btw :)
[00:33] Jyhem_laptop Sure, but they mean you might need exec() even if you don't use LaTeX rendering. That is why I kept vague in the sentence
[00:33] amette I see
[00:34] refizul Jyhem_laptop: display it? This is an option, but first: where to store it.
[00:35] refizul would it affect upgrades in a severe manner if we introduce new fields into the database?
[00:35] amette I would add a column to users_users
[00:36] amette it affects upgrades, but not severly - you will have to create a SQL upgrade script for the installer
[00:36] Jyhem_laptop refizul: user_preferences makes more sense than a custom user tracker field
[00:36] Jyhem_laptop refizul: and do it in trunk, not Tiki9
[00:37] amette +
[00:37] amette +1 eben
[00:37] amette even even
[00:37] amette or yes, sorry, tiki_user_preferences not users_users
[00:38] refizul yeah . but first I need to set up my environment. actually I try a dry run design, what to do. 1st thinking, 2nd coding ;-)
[00:41] Jyhem_laptop Good order :)
[00:41] marclaporte refizul: http://dev.tiki.org/item4300
[00:42] Jyhem_laptop Not enough people know that :)
[00:43] marclaporte Caarrie|away:  can we have the IRC bot give us titles of URLs shared here?  It used to do that
[00:49] refizul marclaporte: ah, already in the list
[00:49] marclaporte I think browsers have become more strict in recent times so we notice it more
[00:50] refizul Is the database schema site up to date? Or have there been any dbs changes since Tiki6? https://dev.tiki.org/Database+schema
[00:54] marclaporte ish, I'll delete that page :-)
[00:54] fabricius hehe
[00:54] fabricius loool
[00:55] marclaporte refizul:  it changes regularly
[00:57] amette I should stop trying to do productive stuff for today... getting really hard... cu tomorrow guys
[00:58] fabricius cu
[01:00] fabricius does anybody have an idea, why my new installation breaks with the same revision like it runs well on demo?
[01:00] fabricius pretty much sure that it is no error 40!!
[01:00] refizul so, should I look directly into the DB rather then into the documentation?
[01:01] kstingel has anyone created a UML description of the DB yet?
[01:01] kstingel ... could be handy for a reference point to trace problems
[01:03] refizul I guess we need at least two fields. One for the key itself and one flag whether to use it or not.
[01:04] kstingel heh heh .... I'm planning an "Advanced Tiki Administration" site to follow up on Rick's books ...
[01:04] kstingel describing what is stored where would possibly be a good starting point
[01:04] kstingel ... maybe after lunch :)
[01:06] refizul tiki administration teaching video series - now in your favourite movie theatre
[01:07] marclaporte ktsingel: Are you familiar with pref report?
[01:08] fabricius refizul: don't lough, I actually am keen on using the new jquery screencast feature for exactly that
[01:09] fabricius just cannot get the f****** installation running ... a myterious bug, which I cannot reproduce at demo
[01:10] kstingel errm ... pref report? that would be a "no" methinks lol
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[01:15] kstingel refizul: if you wanna convert the stuff I put up to video, go for it ... I'm camera shy
[01:16] refizul kstingel: we can push Palpatine as frontman
[01:19] kstingel I don't even know how to make videos for the web
[01:19] kstingel ... do I use my tablet to record my PC screen as I do a task?
[01:19] kstingel now there's a scary thought
[01:31] marclaporte kstingel: http://dev.tiki.org/Preferences+report
[01:32] marclaporte refizul: you will need this: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
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[01:58] refizul marclaporte: this is for the admin settings, isn't it? yes, we need changes there, to.
[01:59] marclaporte refizul:  yes, so each feature should be optional, so you need to add a check box somewhere and that is how to do it
[02:05] refizul ok - seems to be a lot of design and draft to to :-)
[02:05] refizul something else: the search field at doc.tiki.org disappears when I login, an reappears when I logout.
[02:11] marclaporte say I do a checkout with savn, but then I want to delete just the non-modified files, is there a way?
[02:11] marclaporte say I do a checkout with svn, but then I want to delete just the non-modified files, is there a way?
[02:12] marclaporte So If I have a custom theme or some custom files, only that should remain after the removal
[02:12] refizul keep the ones you just modified after checkout only?
[02:12] marclaporte that would be a bonus
[02:13] marclaporte 1- keeping the files that have nothing to do with the checkout  2- leaving diffs for the modified files
[02:13] refizul I can imagine a hack with ``find'' and timestamp
[02:15] refizul or a 2nd parallel checkout and a recursive diff
[02:16] marclaporte I like that second idea better :-)
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[02:19] marclaporte refizul: I added this: https://dev.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Database+Schema+Upgrade&history_offset=1&diff_style=sidediff&diff_style=sidediff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=26&paginate=on&history_pagesize=50  following your question on DB format
[02:24] kstingel what does Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked. mean?
[02:24] kstingel ... what do I need to fix ... browser = Chrome, Tiki 9.1
[02:24] kstingel was trying to do a rollback on an edit
[02:28] marclaporte don't user several Windows
[02:43] refizul I start to become completely confused. That's the point for a break.
[02:43] refizul I'll be back.
[02:50] kstingel opened Opera and got same error ... so I just did the override via a new edit
[02:50] kstingel ... will clean caches (Tiki and all browsers) and see if that solves problem
[02:50] kstingel is not a major problem (for me) ... just a "new to me" error
[02:52] kstingel ahh ... solved it .... I was trying to be clever and reading images from a live site
[02:52] kstingel .... Tiki smacked my fingers for it
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[03:11] marclaporte refizul:  someone seems to have fixed the search box on doc.tiki.org ?
[03:12] kstingel how do I go about adding previously (FTP transferred) uploaded images to Tiki 9.1 file galleries?
[03:12] kstingel ... when I upload an image into the gallery folder, Tiki encodes the image name in the Directory ... I want it saved as 'filename.type' so I can easily identify the files when viewed with FTP
[03:14] marclaporte kstingel: there is a way to get Tiki to get files from the server instead of uploading
[03:15] marclaporte There is no option to save filename.type as this could be a security vulnerability
[03:16] marclaporte also, there can be two files with the same name
[03:16] kstingel marclaporte: do tell, that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for
[03:17] marclaporte tiki-admin.php?page=fgal  Batch uploading
[03:17] kstingel basically, I have my images already in their folder .... but when I add them into galleries so I can access them easily, Tiki encodes the name of the file
[03:18] marclaporte Hpw about WebDAV?
[03:18] marclaporte http://doc.tiki.org/WebDAV
[03:20] marclaporte About an "Advanced Tiki Administration site to follow up on Rick's books "  -> Sometimes, documentation is necessary because UI is bad or because inline help/tips is lacking.  Can you help with inline help/tips to reduce the need for a book?
[03:35] refizul marclaporte: no, at the moment I log in, the search box disappears. I tested it not a minute ago.
[03:36] refizul I tested it just a minute ago.
[03:36] marclaporte ok, try again
[03:37] refizul now it is visible
[03:37] refizul what did you do?
[03:37] marclaporte ok, tks.  It was using the feature permitting to only show to Anonymous
[03:38] marclaporte Which is useful if you want to show a different module when logged on
[03:39] refizul ah - yeah, I know the usecase from unix rights. allowed to access by group but forbidden to access by owner
[03:40] refizul this looks odd, but sometimes...
[03:41] Caarrie|sleeping http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5 is no longer parsing correctly
[03:42] refizul there's still the cookie security issue on my todo list
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[03:46] kstingel marclaporte: I'm happy to help with docs as I can, but most of what I intend for my site isn't even on doc.tiki.org yet ... I wouldn't know where to put it
[03:49] kstingel I'm basically just going to add pages to my site as I find advanced admin jobs I can complete for myself ... then once I have a decent amount of content there, I was planning on unleashing my gleaned knowledge on the unwary public ... maybe it will help someone else
[03:53] kstingel hmm .... maybe I should rename it from "Advanced Tiki" to OCD Tiki (since I'm a bit OCD when it comes to managing my Tiki install
[03:56] kstingel I notice that when I hover over many of the help icons in the Admin area ... the descriptions are either non-existent or very vague ... I'm hoping I can deduce some more substantial tips for those areas, then I can add them into d.t.o
[04:03] marclaporte kstingel:  that's the thing
[04:03] marclaporte Instead of adding to doc.tiki.org or anywhere, can you improve the description in the application?
[04:04] marclaporte It's quite easy: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
[04:04] kstingel most likely ... as long as someone explains just how I do that ;)
[04:06] marclaporte And also: http://dev.tiki.org/Adding+a+preference+to+an+admin+panel
[04:06] marclaporte And the complete list is at http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/prefreport.htm
[04:07] kstingel so, basically once I have a better description ... I just open the relevant file ... look for that particular preference and edit that line?
[04:07] marclaporte yup!
[04:08] kstingel then upload my 'fix' via SVN to the repository
[04:08] marclaporte yup :-)
[04:08] kstingel too easy
[04:09] marclaporte And write a description which is suitable for search engine results
[04:09] marclaporte You know in tiki-admin.php, when someone search for something, the pref that comes up should be fairly descriptive
[04:10] marclaporte even without the context of the admin panel (well, there is a link to its context, but you see what I mean)
[04:10] marclaporte There are over 1000 prefs
[04:10] marclaporte If we can get the descriptions to a higher level, it reduces support issues and documentation need
[04:11] kstingel yup ... it helps if the description isn't exactly the same text as the search phrase
[04:11] marclaporte for example, you were looking for Batch upload
[04:12] marclaporte So now that you found it, just add description and keyword that would have made sense to you and let you find it
[04:12] kstingel yeah ... I'd seen it before, but I didn't understand how it worked .... I thought it meant I had to have an archive to be read
[04:12] marclaporte https://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#keywords
[04:13] marclaporte Also, if a preference is misplaced in the admin panel, you can easily move it
[04:13] marclaporte or add an extra copy of it at a place that would have made sense for you
[04:19] kstingel it sort of works the way I wanted ... I created a folder: batch_upload in the Tiki root folder (because I'm bound to have forgotten what I called it in 6 months) and I'm saving my uploaded images into fg_images (because 'images' doesn't work anymore with the new rewrite rules) ... Tiki reads my upload folder and shows available files, but then when I open explorer (I'm playing with AAMPS...
[04:19] kstingel ...localhost so I could use Softaculous to install) .... the filenames are still in gobble-de-gook ... and it removes the original file from the upload folder
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[04:22] luatdo bonjour monsieur marclaporte
[04:24] kstingel for some of my plugins, I need the files accessible by their names, not their fileIDs (because the files uploaded are the images for the plugin)
[04:24] kstingel and I'd also like to find a way to be able to have internal Tiki images available in a gallery ... so that images used by plugins can be easily exported from one location, rather than having to trawl through the different folders to gather them up
[04:32] luatdo who can help me?hix hix hix
[04:33] luatdo hi
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[09:08] fabricius polom
[09:08] fabricius good morning tikiverse
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[10:53] luciash polom
[10:59] fabricius wolod
[11:03] luciash :)
[11:04] fabricius :-)
[11:04] fabricius how r wife and son?
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[11:32] jonnyb Ahoy hoy! (a.k.a. polom)
[11:35] fabricius ahoi jonny, nice to see you
[11:35] fabricius jonnyb:
[11:35] fabricius ;-)
[11:36] jonnyb hi fabricius
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[12:35] fabricius arrgl again ... managed to export/import large db with mysqldumper ... trying to extract a Tiki .zip file now with a cpanel-filemanager and it breaks after 24MB
[12:36] fabricius wasting time now
[12:36] jonnyb stinky!
[12:36] jonnyb you kept files in the database? :(
[12:37] jonnyb probably better to convert them to filesystem storage before upgrading imho
[12:37] kstingel I know about using -----Version----- in Tiki pages for alternate content .... is there a similar function for ----Structure----, or would I need to write separate copies of relevant pages for each structure?
[12:38] fabricius looool jonnyb thanks for the hint :-DDDD
[12:39] fabricius hi kstingel - the book project?
[12:39] jonnyb too late by the sound of it fabricius, sry
[12:39] fabricius hehe
[12:39] fabricius no problem
[12:39] kstingel I have some data that is only relevant online, I don't want it included in the ePub structure
[12:39] kstingel .... just thinking it would be nice to be able to automate the filter :)
[12:39] jonnyb kstingel: not as far as i know, but i don't use structures much
[12:40] jonnyb can't you use css for that? (somehow)
[12:40] fabricius but all I try for hours is to get the f*** installation copied as it is and then move the files to the directory
[12:40] luciash jonnyb: ahoj ahoj :)
[12:40] fabricius I just promised not to work on the original running productive instance
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[12:43] jonnyb hi luciash
[12:43] luciash fabricius: it would be much slicker with ssh access, would not it ?
[12:44] kstingel thanks jonnyb ....I'll tinker
[12:44] kstingel css could work in theory, just load it into a div.web then hide div.web in epub.css .... but the data would still be there taking up space in the file
[12:44] kstingel ... I'm looking for a filter to remove the web-only data
[12:44] kstingel meh, when is missing - write an extension :D
[12:44] fabricius YES! indeed it WOULD be luciash and jonnyb :-D
[12:44] fabricius I am pretty much sure, I would have been finished that since aged, if I had
[12:45] fabricius -aged + ages
[12:54] fabricius AHHHHH jonnyb help!!!
[12:54] fabricius I made a really really really plain installation
[12:54] fabricius NEW folder
[12:54] fabricius NEW database
[12:54] fabricius SVN checkout
[12:54] fabricius and still damaged
[12:55] fabricius maybe the default settings are changed?
[12:55] fabricius but even in tiki-admin.php, when I do some setting, they are not saved
[12:55] fabricius arrrgl what happens here?
[12:59] kstingel FF doesn't wanna play nice tonight ... CZ is jumpy, back after I download a new (standalone) client
[13:07] jonnyb fabricius: is there a url i can try? maybe it's a browser issue somehow
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[13:13] fabricius yes
[13:13] fabricius -> q
[13:18] kstingel before I quit CZ ... is there anyone here familiar with KVirc? ... I'm a bit lost on setting it up
[13:18] jonnyb what is CZ? (guess that means i'm not familiar :) )
[13:19] kstingel ChatZilla
[13:19] kstingel it's the client I've been using
[13:19] jonnyb oh right - and the other thing? kvirc is another client?
[13:20] kstingel yup ...just downloaded a free standing client because CZ plugin for FF keeps eating all my sys resources ... FF is overly hungry as a whole
[13:21] kstingel I've also downloaded Android IRC so I can connect portably, but I'll set that up after I get my 'main' client connected
[13:24] fabricius I use thunderbird now (after CZ)
[13:25] fabricius quite fine
[13:25] fabricius no switch of software anymore
[13:25] fabricius brb
[13:31] luciash irssi ftw :)
[13:33] luciash kstingel: back in time i used konversation, was quite fine irc GUI client to use, if you are not happy with kvirc u can give it a shot
[13:35] kstingel luciash: is kconversation available for Windows? it sounds like a Linux IRC client
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[13:41] kstingel managed to connect with KVirc, so leavingCZ now
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[13:44] luciash kstingel1: ah, sorry, yes, linux only... it sounded like u r on linux, cause kvirc originates from KDE/linux environment too
[13:44] luciash iirc
[13:46] kstingel1 linux is not an option atm ... I broke my box and don't have a spare (yet) to reinstall ... have Windon't 7 & Android avail atm, Android is mostly for testing my ePub builds
[13:47] kstingel1 back soon, need to reconnect
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[14:22] fabricius rehi
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[14:43] Bsfez Hi Torsteen
[14:44] fabricius hi Berni
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[15:06] jonnyb are dynamic lists working for everyone else in 9.x? mine seems to have been broken for quite a while, but maybe i'm not setting it up right...
[15:10] kstingel jonnyb: how do I check if mine are working?
[15:10] kstingel not sure I have any d-lists currently
[15:11] jonnyb it's a very fiddly tracker thing, was only if you had one working already
[15:11] jonnyb so don't worry (but thanks for asking)
[15:12] kstingel lol, there doesn't seem to be much I can actually help you guys with ... but I always try if I can
[15:13] jonnyb :)
[15:13] kstingel hmm .... my shout for coffee ... back in a bit :D
[15:14] kstingel "it's the little things that count" *nods head in knowing manner*
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[15:22] kstingel cafe for all :)
[15:24] luciash :)
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[15:26] jonnyb need food, bbl
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[15:36] fabricius any coffee left?
[15:36] fabricius need a cup
[15:37] kstingel fabricius: cafe  smile
[15:45] fabricius thx kstingel
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[16:04] kstingel ooh look at dat ... I have a shadow :-D
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[16:05] jonnyb hi rodrigoprimo - long time, no C
[16:05] KStingel_Prime hehehe now I can be in 2 places at once
[16:06] jonnyb magic?
[16:07] jonnyb Jyhem: think i found what's stopping trackers save first click... http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=42370 (look familiar?)
[16:07] rodrigoprimo hi jonnyb! yes, indeed. how are you? I'm back working full time in the company I started with some friends a few years ago. that is why I'm not very active in the community these months.
[16:07] kstingel sort of ... I managed to work out Android IRC, so I can connect from the Prime
[16:08] jonnyb rodrigoprimo: i fixed (possibly) a very old bug you submitted - about img plugin not working with src with accents in
[16:09] rodrigoprimo jonnyb: thanks! I got an email notification about that.
[16:09] jonnyb i just removed the htmlentities calls - shouldn't have been there in the first place imho
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[16:33] * jonnyb just loves svn tree conflicts
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[16:48] kstingel lol identity crisis over
[16:49] kstingel time to go shoot the possums parading on my roof
[16:50] kstingel ...or at least shine torch on 'em and scare 'em over to some other roof
[16:55] jonnyb polom possums
[16:59] kstingel was worse than living in multi story units ... at least unit have some sound insulation between levels *sigh* possum party on roof is like mini avalanch, and is right over my head
[17:00] kstingel at least it was ... I scared 'em off heh heh
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[18:00] Harman hiii everyone
[18:04] fabricius hi Harm
[18:15] Harman whats up man
[18:15] Harman hold on letme get some coke and chips
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[18:26] Harman hello again
[18:27] Harman @fabricius... so i have to do server upgrade next month before i put my app up on google play which would be using mobile module website version
[18:27] Harman plus i have volunteers working on content over next few months
[18:28] Harman what vps configuration should i go for??
[18:28] fabricius ^^
[18:28] fabricius hmm
[18:29] Harman like how much ram, cpu? i need 10-15gb disc space for databsase expected size over next few motnhs..
[18:29] fabricius VPS = Vapor Phase Soldering
[18:30] fabricius hehe kidding
[18:30] Harman lol, made me think for a second!
[18:31] Harman http://www.knownhost.com/vps_packages.html and  http://www.tmzvps.com/managed-vps are my two options for now
[18:31] fabricius I work with share hosting - 100GB space - unlimited subaccounts - ssh-access - 24hours free phone support (landline number) ....
[18:32] fabricius a VPS for me would be just an additional option for BBB, LDAP, Kaltura at times some projects would pay that for at least two years or so
[18:33] fabricius for Tiki you need not a VPS and if you take a VPS you have to maintain it or to hire somebode to maintain the server
[18:34] kstingel|hacking how simple would it be to set up a dedicated Tiki machine (Linux OS) on an old 64Gb laptop (2 Gb RAM)? ... and can anyone suggest a specific Linux OS? ... I haven't played in Linux since RedHat 9, so please be nice :)
[18:34] fabricius If I would be you ... except you are a linux/network geek anyway ... I would concentrate on the project itself, not on the Server
[18:34] Harman they said its managed vps so i dont have to worry and just play with my cpanel that they will give
[18:35] fabricius so it is a share hosting or a mange server
[18:35] fabricius manage
[18:35] fabricius arrrgl again
[18:35] kstingel managed :)
[18:35] fabricius so it is a shared hosting or a managed server
[18:35] fabricius thx kstingel
[18:35] kstingel yw
[18:36] Harman just look for yourself http://www.tmzvps.com/managed-vps
[18:36] Harman lol
[18:36] Harman the thing is once i launch the android app followed by other platform apps, ppl are gonna jump in and my shared account will just die
[18:37] Harman its first of a kind project i am working on, just wanna make sure it doesnt crash right when its introduced to ppl
[18:37] fabricius kstingel: Ubuntu 12.04 with GnomeShell and using the Shell extension to make it a usable operating system (Unity and a plain GnomeShell3 seem to be for tablets, but nor for working PCs)
[18:38] fabricius kstingel: then a lampp stack and Tiki into opt/lampp/htdocs/whatsoever_subfolder
[18:39] fabricius database in lampp-phpMyadmin and give Tiki the creentials
[18:39] fabricius staqrt browser -> localhost/path_to_tikiroot_after_htdocs
[18:39] fabricius dunno
[18:40] fabricius ex: localhost/whatsoever_subfolder
[18:40] fabricius all explained in xampp/lampp
[18:40] fabricius but unix ... if not a geek, take ubuntu
[18:41] fabricius and very nice for webdevelopment is connecting to server from the desktop and the shell
[18:41] kstingel fabricius: other half is currently using my old WinXP3 laptop ... since I can't get the SPs to do a (badly needed) reformat, I'm thinking I should make myself a dedicated 'multiTiki' machine ... then I can do my scripts and stuff on Windon't 7 (where my toolset is) but have my test setup(s) on the Linux box
[18:41] fabricius no need for WebDav no need for putty anymore
[18:43] kstingel running dedicated Tiki-box also means I can have versions 6 - 10 running at same time ... so can easily test and backport any new scripts
[18:43] kstingel I was never able to get WebDAV working ... and I don't understand Putty anyway
[18:43] Harman where did u all guys learn programming... like college etc?
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[18:45] kstingel trawling Google when I tried something that didn't work as expected? ... then a coupla Uni courses (which basically revised what I'd self-taght)
[18:45] kstingel taught even
[18:45] kstingel one of these days, I'm gonna self-tort me to spellllll
[18:46] Harman wow that was good, haha this time u might wanna refer an english book
[18:47] kstingel English is my first (and only (spoken) language) .... spelled, well that's different matter ... I have a customised language for that
[18:48] kstingel and it haz it'z own dikshunairy :D
[18:48] fabricius Once I switched from Win7 (the best Windows ever just besides XP) to Ubuntu, I never for not even a second wanted to switch back
[18:48] fabricius some times I have to research to do smart stuff, like today FTP with my local shell from my server to a customers server, because there the script-running-time is too slow to unzip
[18:48] fabricius but what if I had still Win? No research? yes. because of no such smart triangle shell thingo
[18:48] fabricius I you use legal gimp instead of hacked photoshop, legal Open/Libre Office instead of MSOffice, Thunderbird instead of Outlook etc. you just move your profiles including mails and adressbooks and continue work like ever
[18:48] fabricius a bit learning, some hard days maybe from time to time, but every day deep breath of freedom
[18:48] fabricius for what you need Win? you are architect and have a construction office with CAD machine? Ok you ne to run this software
[18:50] fabricius soon I will make up a few screencasts to demonstrate how EASY Ubuntu Linux is these days
[18:50] fabricius thanks to Tikis new screencast feature
[18:51] kstingel fabricius: I looked at Ubuntu 12.04 ... site says there's a dual boot option for Windon't ... is it any good?
[18:52] kstingel I have some Windon't tools that I don't have Linux replacements for (yet) so I can't drop Windon't completely *adds it to personal Wishlist*
[18:53] fabricius kstingel: I starte with this aswell
[18:53] fabricius started
[18:53] fabricius it is fine - a good start
[18:53] kstingel and having a Linux box again would make writing Android Apps easier
[18:55] Harman linux is good, fast.. if microsoft were like google back then, things would have been different
[18:55] fabricius kstingel: if you have your Win7 as "backup" for used-to-work, but same time move app per app to use in linux, after a while you will not return to Win and finally you will get a new harddrive and install just only linux
[18:56] fabricius use the old one as kind of backup
[18:57] kstingel fabricius: I have 3 hard drives I can already convert from Windon't ... one of them is old 320 Gb Vista drive that I can't connect to MB (no more slots)
[18:58] Harman what do u guys do for living apart from developing tiki
[18:59] kstingel can I use Linux for Game development, or would I need to keep Windon't to move in that direction (some time next year)?
[19:00] kstingel Harman: I'm on a 'visually impaired' Pension, so I just amuse self by "tweaking" Tiki
[19:00] fabricius hmmm not my focus, can't tell ... must ask s.b. myself
[19:01] fabricius moment, my housemaid knows more
[19:02] kstingel lol ... I can't see to walk downstairs with confidence, but I sit 50cm away from screen and tinker to heart's content for hours at a time
[19:02] fabricius hmmm he sais you just nee a c++ framework / IDE, which definitely exist for linux
[19:02] fabricius try the games on windows machines or windows in VM
[19:02] kstingel mind you, I'm 5'4", so steps are slightly further away from eyes than screen
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[19:04] kstingel *sigh* and I had to drop Uni just before I was due to commence C++ course -- luckily I'd already bought the text book
[19:04] fabricius so I followed now the hint of amette (finally after two days or so) and carefully removed the "d" from my keyboard to clean it ..... seems to work
[19:05] Harman lol
[19:06] Harman which is better company... google, microsoft or apple?
[19:06] kstingel hmm ... I think maybe I need to re-paint my 'E' ... it has half a letter and an orange back-light
[19:06] kstingel Google
[19:06] kstingel Apple is too locked down for broadrange development
[19:07] Harman yeah i love google, so much sooo for free and open-sourced
[19:07] kstingel Microsoft is just completely broken, so there's little point in developing for it
[19:09] fabricius Harman: google is NOT for free!
[19:09] kstingel and upgrading an OS License should never cost you $1000.00 especially when the upgrade is forced because they cease support for your preferred version
[19:09] fabricius Harman: you just pay differently
[19:09] kstingel fabricius: maybe not, but it's a whole lot cheaper than the alternatives
[19:10] fabricius kstingel: i do not believe that an upgrade costs $1000,-
[19:10] fabricius ahhh os$ ... might be different exchange course
[19:10] fabricius ??
[19:10] fabricius kstingel: it is cheaper by means of money
[19:11] fabricius kstingel: and it is more accessible ... so far
[19:11] kstingel it does if you upgrade from XP to Win 7 only to find out that you m=now have to upgrade Office as well :(
[19:11] fabricius kstingel: as long as the licences stay open guaranteed for ever
[19:11] fabricius arrrgl
[19:11] fabricius you have NOT to!!!!
[19:12] fabricius just use OpenOffice or LibreOffice or Koffice
[19:12] fabricius Use OpenSource
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[19:12] kstingel I did at the time .... I needed Publisher for a course I was dooing
[19:12] fabricius move all software to OpenSource and finally you realise, that you need no windows anymore
[19:12] fabricius no more licence fees
[19:13] kstingel I still have Office installed on this machine ... but most of the time I do my stuff in Open Office 3 now
[19:13] fabricius yeahh
[19:14] Harman i have open office in my android phone
[19:14] kstingel I'm still waiting for an Open Source ePub3 writer .... for the moment I'm stuck with using Sigil to compile ePub2, and dropping into In-Design to test out ePub3 builds
[19:15] Harman use office 2010 for win vista(bad windows), win8 upgrade maybe, they said pay 30-40$ for upgrade to windows8
[19:15] fabricius I have now safari and heidisql under linux and I think I will get IE aswell ... using wine ... specifically I use "play on linux"
[19:15] kstingel then again ... any ePub3 reader (other than Adobe Digital Editions) would be nice too
[19:15] fabricius vista is one of the worst windows, nearly as bad as ME
[19:16] kstingel hence the upgrade to w7
[19:16] Harman yeah win8 is coming, going to it now, vista is heavy on resources
[19:16] fabricius I think for a start it would be good for you to have a dual boot to have all necessary windows apps straight working
[19:17] kstingel ... much better than V, but still way too expensive to maintain long term
[19:17] fabricius but then VM or native linux alternatives
[19:17] fabricius only a few things where you do not find nice easy to use professional linux alternatives
[19:18] fabricius But I have to continue my work ... getting late
[19:18] kstingel Photoshop 6 confused me, so I've dropped that ... but I'm still aclimatising to Gimp
[19:18] fabricius i stay here anyway .... just to mention if I do need longer time to answer ;-)
[19:19] kstingel Firewoks 6 is fallback for if I can't figure out the Gimp method
[19:19] fabricius any questions to gimp? basic stuff I know ... but for more advanced stuff there are lots of tutorials out there
[19:20] fabricius the three windos are a bit confusing - they will mostlikely change that in the next major version
[19:20] fabricius arrrgl now my "w" hangs
[19:20] kstingel I don't know offhand of a Dreamweaver alternative (yet) ... but then, I only use that to do quick compliance checks and site wide link replacements (else I usually use) UEStudio ... which is also available on Linux
[19:20] fabricius seems that I have to clean the whole keyboard
[19:21] fabricius I never started with dreamweaver .... before I was that far, I started to realise that I didn't need it anymore
[19:22] kstingel nothing I can think of atm ... my main dillemma at present in converting from 'px' to typographic units ... converting HTML to OOdoc for publication
[19:24] kstingel trying to get textboxes with left-icon and background colour to show correctly in OpenOffice writer
[19:25] kstingel I cant work out how to make the box ... box needs to resize vertically, but icon shouldn't resize ... I tried to do as 'group' but then if text is too long, icon stretches with box-height
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[19:46] fabricius does anybody have any experience with lftp on Linux?
[19:47] fabricius I need to login to my webserver via shell (ssh) and ftp-send a file from there to a customers server
[19:47] fabricius have installed lftp, but I did not yet manage to correctly connect
[19:47] fabricius need a hand
[19:47] fabricius anybody could help?
[20:08] refizul fabricius: what exactly is the problem with the connect?
[20:09] refizul login fail?
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[20:16] lphuberdeau FTP is never required, get your clients to use SFTP (free with SSH)
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[20:25] fabricius hehe lphuberdeau you're damned al'right ... but for me it is just a tiny project and I am pretty sure not to get them anywhere else at this point
[20:26] lphuberdeau all ftp servers are crap, it's ahorrible protocol
[20:27] fabricius refizul: the script running time seems to be too short to unzip via cpanel-file-manager
[20:28] fabricius lphuberdeau refizul I want to send the unzipped folder directly from server to server .... upload from desktop needs too much time
[20:28] fabricius or is there another way to unzip?
[20:28] fabricius it is horrible timewaste right now
[20:29] refizul ssh -> unzip -> ftp -- should work
[20:29] jonnyb fabricius: you have ssh? scp is the one i tihnk
[20:29] fabricius refizul: yes, if there would be ssh access
[20:29] refizul I don't know whether unzip command via ftp is possible
[20:29] jonnyb is cpanel?
[20:29] fabricius yes!
[20:29] fabricius cpanel
[20:29] jonnyb some cpanels have a secure copy (scp) admin bit
[20:30] fabricius i check
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[20:30] jonnyb it's really fiddly getting the params all right at once, i find
[20:31] refizul fabricius: you said "my webserver via shell (ssh)" - can you unzip it there and continue with ftp from there?
[20:32] fabricius refizul: I have unzipped on my server - I have shell access on my server - I have lftp installed, but never used - need a hand how to setup the push command in the right way
[20:33] fabricius on the other side the cpanel seems to be a micro cpanel
[20:33] fabricius I do not find any configuration for ftp users
[20:33] fabricius so I tried the cpanel user
[20:34] fabricius technically it should be all setup to send from my server via ftp to the other one, which I can trigger from my local machine via shell
[20:35] fabricius problem is, that I never did before and I am not sure if the path is wrong, the commands parameters or the user
[20:35] fabricius right now I have this:
[20:35] fabricius lftp -e 'put ./tiki-6.7; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
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[20:36] fabricius (kundeseinedomain.org=example.com=customerhisdomain.org)
[20:39] jonnyb ah, it was the cpanel "https://rocket.gnservers.com:2083/frontend/rvskinlight/backup/fullbackup.html" thing i was thinking about
[20:40] jonnyb but it might be a good way (if the destination is lots bigger than the source, of course!)
[20:40] xavi polom
[20:40] jonnyb oops, didn't mean to post the whole link in (stupid clever clipboard)
[20:40] jonnyb hi xavi
[20:40] xavi fabricius: I did read at the irc log that you were asking for lftp....
[20:40] xavi fabricius: see http://russbrooks.com/2010/11/19/lftp-cheetsheet
[20:40] xavi hi jonnyb
[20:41] fabricius I have the command from there - thx xavi
[20:41] xavi ok
[20:42] fabricius as said, I am uncertain about path or user ...cpanel seems not to have an ftp-user option, so I take the cpanel user
[20:44] xavi Jyhem_laptop: PluginR uses exec indeed
[20:44] fabricius HAH idea!!!
[20:46] refizul fabricius: I guess mput instead of put handles more than one file
[20:46] fabricius thx, Iĺl try
[20:51] fabricius hmm
[20:51] fabricius I tried now the same connection than with my filesystem-ftp ... cpanel.domain.org
[20:52] fabricius and I tried ftp.cpanel.org <=> lftp: ftp.cpanel.evidem.org: Name or service not known
[20:53] fabricius and ftp://cpanel.domain.org <=> no feedback from shell
[20:53] fabricius (sry above misstyped here and forgot once domain)
[21:00] refizul fabricius: maybe you need subdirs? then you can use a recursive mirror command instead of put or mput: mirror -R
[21:01] refizul mput is for more than one file with wildcard notation
[21:02] fabricius refizul: could you type me an example please?
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[21:04] Jyhem_laptop xavi: I know, I checked. So does pluginRR. But amette can't mention pluginR (and pluginRR) because most people don't have them.
[21:04] refizul interactive: 1st: lftp ftp.example.com
[21:05] fabricius refizul: is thia a good fedback: cd ok, cwd=/public_html  ?
[21:05] refizul 2nd (untested): mirror -R localpath ftp.example.com/path/
[21:06] Jyhem_laptop polom
[21:06] refizul you are remote in public_html then
[21:06] refizul seems ok
[21:07] fabricius should I type "mirror" aswell?
[21:08] refizul yes, the command name is mirror
[21:08] refizul the option -R is recursive
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[21:09] refizul and if the uploads breaks, the option -c tries to continue without repeating to upload existing files
[21:10] refizul I don't know whether remote path is absolute or relative to cwd
[21:10] fabricius Interrupt
[21:11] fabricius but after command before:
[21:11] changi jonnyb: http://framework.zend.com/manual/1.12/en/coding-standard.coding-style.html see Funcions and Methods
[21:11] fabricius lftp cpanel.evidem.org:~>
[21:11] KStingel_Prime just checking who I am :)
[21:11] fabricius you are KStingel_Prime
[21:12] fabricius refizul: now I got this:mirror: Login failed: 530 Login authentication failed
[21:12] fabricius 1 error detected
[21:12] kstingel cool, I have correct accounts open on expected devices ... now can go walk-about
[21:14] xavi Jyhem_laptop: yes, I know. this is just to support your idea and what you said to amette (vague-enough short sentences is a good approach)
[21:14] KStingel_Prime is hard to get used to white text on black ... Windon't is black on white
[21:15] fabricius I ge
[21:15] fabricius refizul: I get this far: put: /www/htdocs/XXXXXX/tiki-6.7: Is a directory
[21:16] refizul try: mirror -R localpath/
[21:16] refizul It seems you do not need a remote URL if you are logged on already
[21:17] jonnyb hi changi - i'm sure that's changed, but will try and remember in the future! :)
[21:18] fabricius you mean the real local path -> ./tiki-6.7 <-?
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[21:18] fabricius some login failed feedback
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[21:19] fabricius I think I need to mention usr, pwd
[21:19] refizul example for syntax: lftp -e "mirror -cR -i .*\.dem$ /home/gameserver/server1/cstrike/ /httpdocs/sourcetv_demos;quit" -u ftp_user:ftp_password ftp_host
[21:20] refizul example interactive -- 1st) lftp -u ftp_user:ftp_password ftp_host
[21:20] refizul 2nd) mirror -R /home/gameserver/server1/cstrike/maps/ /httpdocs/cstrike/maps
[21:22] refizul lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
[21:22] refizul or:
[21:22] refizul lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
[21:23] refizul should work IMHO
[21:23] refizul but the cwd is wrong then
[21:23] refizul lftp -e 'cd public_html;mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
[21:24] fabricius refizul: ahhhh
[21:24] fabricius something happens!!!
[21:24] fabricius Getting directory contents (0)
[21:26] fabricius it is making data connection, negotiating, delaying before reconnect: (seconds) and again and again
[21:27] refizul open a 2nd ftp connection and check whether there are files uploaded
[21:28] fabricius but I understood: command -parameter 'cd local remote;bye' -u user:pwd Host
[21:29] fabricius nothing uploaded
[21:29] fabricius can I stop it in the shell ? (its a loop)
[21:29] fabricius hmm i close it
[21:30] refizul yes, ctrl+c
[21:31] refizul lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/ public_html/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
[21:33] refizul if there is an unzip command installed, you have gont another option
[21:35] refizul upload the compressed file, write an php decompress wrapper script, upload the script via ftp, run it via http, delete it via ftp
[21:36] fabricius hmmm
[21:36] fabricius you bring me to an idea
[21:36] fabricius there might be a decompress wrapper script existing
[21:36] fabricius why not siply do this way?
[21:36] fabricius hmmm
[21:37] fabricius ^^
[21:42] refizul http://www.bouthors.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=en:linux:synchro_lftp
[21:42] fabricius thx
[21:43] fabricius ok, I want two things (or more? ;-) )
[21:43] fabricius 1. get this files to the other server
[21:44] fabricius 2. understand lftp to make it usable for me in the long run
[21:44] fabricius maybe 3. php unzip aswell?
[21:44] fabricius I get to (smoking) now brb
[21:44] fabricius ahhahaha not in skype loool
[21:45] fabricius and thx for your help refizul
[21:50] fabricius rehi
[22:12] Tiki|bot New Commit:  jonnybradley committed r43252 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43252
[22:21] fabricius ahhhh refizul I GOT IT
[22:22] fabricius we made it way too complicated
[22:22] fabricius http://webhostingneeds.com/Upload_all_files_and_sub_folders_using_lftp_in_command_line
[22:23] fabricius 1.: ftp://user:XXXX@ftp.site.com
[22:23] fabricius 2.: set ftp:ssl-allow no
[22:24] fabricius 3.: mirror -R tiki-6.7
[22:24] fabricius and it is running like it was SVN
[22:24] fabricius wow
[22:24] fabricius thus easy
[22:25] fabricius anyway, without your help I maybe wouldn't got there today - thx refizul
[22:37] refizul np
[22:37] refizul the finetuning flags are its own story
[22:38] Tiki|bot New Commit:  jonnybradley committed r43253 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43253
[22:38] refizul I'm not really a ftp user. I prefer rsync via ssh.
[22:42] fabricius refizul: I am rather using ssh when possible aswell, even as I am a sideentrant in this IT stuff ... using shell and ssh is quite new to me and I learn it step by step ... at least I got it very clearly, that it is very very handy to be able to use the shell
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[23:26] jonnyb done for now, nitenite