fabricius: Ok - I think, I get the newest ersion of the file from sourceforge / trunkfolder
get it in a few minutes and throw it around
reziful the reason is simple:
info.tiki.org is a Tiki 6.7 and dev/doc/profiles are Tiki 9.1
refizul: the Chrome issue is mysterious, but Chrome is mysterious in itself -> ask amette
and refozu sorry, that I called you rez
Jyhem_laptop: Hi amette !
I'm just looking at tiki-check on a new server of mine
fabricius: ahhh arrgl refizul sorry, that I called you reziful and now refozu, that just was a typo and too quick clicking
Jyhem_laptop: Very useful: apparently, I have some latin1 in mysql.
But you write : Exec can potentially be used to execute arbitrary code on your server. Tiki does not need it, you may want to disable it.
Yet, it is used
refizul: fabricius: I push this Chrome issue to the mystery todo list, maybe I can figure out the problem at halloween ;-)
fabricius: very good plan
amette: Jyhem_laptop: ah, is it used? I grepped for it quickly, but didn't find it...
Jyhem_laptop: web/lib/equation/class.latexrender.php web/lib/pear/Net/Ping.php: web/lib/pear/PEAR/Builder.php: web/doc/devtools/release.php:
fabricius: refizul: maybe I'll fly by then and say an enlightenment curse
Jyhem_laptop: some might be redefinitions of exec, but probably not all
and then there is some shell_exec()
amette: ok, so what should we do? I moved these over from tiki-admin_security.php where they were included...
... they of course are dangerous (if people don't sanitize their input)...
... but if Tiki uses them (and we know we use them responsibly), we shouldn't put
"risky" there.
refizul: fabricius: do you own a witches' broom?
fabricius: refizul: that reminds me, that my broom needs a technical inspection before end of next week ... urgent! ... would be distressing to stay at home then
Jyhem_laptop: it seems only web/lib/equation/class.latexrender.php is ours. the others are from pear
we need some orange status between ok and risky
refizul: fabricius: technical inspection? Is it a NASA certified broom?
Jyhem_laptop: you dumped your bike for a flying broom ?
fabricius: you know, we are in Germany here ...
amette: Jyhem_laptop: where is class.latexrenderer.php - I don't find it in lib/
refizul: then you need a TUeV certificate...
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fabricius: Jyhem_laptop: arrr you know. I never would give away my bike or my laptop if not the live of my kids would depend on it ... even not for a broom
only health of kids is worth more
Jyhem_laptop: tiki9 lib/equation/class.latexrender.php
refizul: fabricius: hehe. you can borrow my wife but not my laptop, can't you?
Jyhem_laptop: ^ amette
amette: ah, found it, thanks!
so, I could update the explanation to say that "if you don't use LaTeX rendering, you may disable this"?!
Jyhem_laptop: refizul: I believe fabricius already dumped hi wife and kept the laptop
fabricius: refizul: indeed ... so I have no wife nor a girlfriend any more since a while, but I can work on the laptop whenever I want and ride the bike for days whenever I get free of work and gett a few bucks together
Jyhem_laptop: I am surprised plugin R (a mod) doesn't use it
amette: bike and laptop is a great combinations - best of real and virtual world :)
fabricius: refizul and Jyhem_laptop yes indeed! dumped the girl and kept the lapttop ... added a bike a few month ago and did ride more than 2000 kilometers ... enjoyed pretty much
less stress
Jyhem_laptop: amette: difficult to answer
fabricius: amette: yes and since I ride, I got back a pretty much necessary part of real life experience - have been a bit too much in VL
-: amette knows exactly what fabricius means
fabricius: yeah and kids and friends are important aswell though
amette: Jyhem_laptop: yeah... difficult... but probably the fairest explanation we can give there?!
Jyhem_laptop: amette : "Some marginal features such as LaTeX rendering use it, but most installations can disable this"
opinions ?
amette: yeah, sounds good!
Jyhem_laptop: Best I could find. Should be good enough for now
amette: I will put the same explanation as with curl_multi_exec and stuff
yeah, think so too
so latex is the only thing using it?
refizul: What would be the appropriate place to store a tiki user's OpenPGP key? The database?
Jyhem_laptop: Hey, i'm not 100% sure either. Also, *mods* could use it and I have not grepped these
amette: aaah, mods.... ok, I think they are neglectible
Jyhem_laptop: refizul: public key ?
amette: refizul: for what purpose?
Jyhem_laptop: amette: no, I have R mod (for license reasons it's a mod)
refizul: Jyhem_laptop: yes, my suggestion was to send emails encrypted from tiki to the user if he chooses it
amette: refizul: you are Frank?
Jyhem_laptop: refizul: you could even putit in a user tracker. Why not display it ?
amette: Jyhem_laptop: yeah, but mods are out of scope of tiki-check.php, I'd say.
refizul: amette: yes
amette: refizul: if you are going to create a new feature that sends out e-mails encrypted to the users, it imho makes sense to save the GPG key in the database along the user_preferences
refizul: welcome to the community, Frank! :)
I like your idea btw :)
Jyhem_laptop: Sure, but they mean you might need exec() even if you don't use LaTeX rendering. That is why I kept vague in the sentence
amette: I see
refizul: Jyhem_laptop: display it? This is an option, but first: where to store it.
would it affect upgrades in a severe manner if we introduce new fields into the database?
amette: I would add a column to users_users
it affects upgrades, but not severly - you will have to create a SQL upgrade script for the installer
Jyhem_laptop: refizul: user_preferences makes more sense than a custom user tracker field
refizul: and do it in trunk, not Tiki9
amette: +
+1 eben
even even
or yes, sorry, tiki_user_preferences not users_users
refizul: yeah . but first I need to set up my environment. actually I try a dry run design, what to do. 1st thinking, 2nd coding ;-)
Jyhem_laptop: Good order :)
marclaporte: refizul: http://dev.tiki.org/item4300
Jyhem_laptop: Not enough people know that :)
marclaporte: Caarrie|away: can we have the IRC bot give us titles of URLs shared here? It used to do that
refizul: marclaporte: ah, already in the list
marclaporte: I think browsers have become more strict in recent times so we notice it more
refizul: Is the database schema site up to date? Or have there been any dbs changes since Tiki6? https://dev.tiki.org/Database+schema
marclaporte: ish, I'll delete that page :-)
fabricius: hehe
loool
marclaporte: refizul: it changes regularly
amette: I should stop trying to do productive stuff for today... getting really hard... cu tomorrow guys
fabricius: cu
does anybody have an idea, why my new installation breaks with the same revision like it runs well on demo?
pretty much sure that it is no error 40!!
refizul: so, should I look directly into the DB rather then into the documentation?
kstingel: has anyone created a UML description of the DB yet?
... could be handy for a reference point to trace problems
refizul: I guess we need at least two fields. One for the key itself and one flag whether to use it or not.
kstingel: heh heh .... I'm planning an "Advanced Tiki Administration" site to follow up on Rick's books ...
describing what is stored where would possibly be a good starting point
... maybe after lunch :)
refizul: tiki administration teaching video series - now in your favourite movie theatre
marclaporte: ktsingel: Are you familiar with pref report?
fabricius: refizul: don't lough, I actually am keen on using the new jquery screencast feature for exactly that
just cannot get the f****** installation running ... a myterious bug, which I cannot reproduce at demo
kstingel: errm ... pref report? that would be a "no" methinks lol
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kstingel: refizul: if you wanna convert the stuff I put up to video, go for it ... I'm camera shy
refizul: kstingel: we can push Palpatine as frontman
kstingel: I don't even know how to make videos for the web
... do I use my tablet to record my PC screen as I do a task?
now there's a scary thought
marclaporte: kstingel: http://dev.tiki.org/Preferences+report
refizul: you will need this: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
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refizul: marclaporte: this is for the admin settings, isn't it? yes, we need changes there, to.
marclaporte: refizul: yes, so each feature should be optional, so you need to add a check box somewhere and that is how to do it
refizul: ok - seems to be a lot of design and draft to to :-)
something else: the search field at doc.tiki.org disappears when I login, an reappears when I logout.
marclaporte: say I do a checkout with savn, but then I want to delete just the non-modified files, is there a way?
say I do a checkout with svn, but then I want to delete just the non-modified files, is there a way?
So If I have a custom theme or some custom files, only that should remain after the removal
refizul: keep the ones you just modified after checkout only?
marclaporte: that would be a bonus
1- keeping the files that have nothing to do with the checkout 2- leaving diffs for the modified files
refizul: I can imagine a hack with ``find'' and timestamp
or a 2nd parallel checkout and a recursive diff
marclaporte: I like that second idea better :-)
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marclaporte: refizul: I added this: https://dev.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Database+Schema+Upgrade&history_offset=1&diff_style=sidediff&diff_style=sidediff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=26&paginate=on&history_pagesize=50 following your question on DB format
kstingel: what does Sea Surfing (CSRF) detected. Operation blocked. mean?
... what do I need to fix ... browser = Chrome, Tiki 9.1
was trying to do a rollback on an edit
marclaporte: don't user several Windows
refizul: I start to become completely confused. That's the point for a break.
I'll be back.
kstingel: opened Opera and got same error ... so I just did the override via a new edit
... will clean caches (Tiki and all browsers) and see if that solves problem
is not a major problem (for me) ... just a "new to me" error
ahh ... solved it .... I was trying to be clever and reading images from a live site
.... Tiki smacked my fingers for it
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marclaporte: refizul: someone seems to have fixed the search box on doc.tiki.org ?
kstingel: how do I go about adding previously (FTP transferred) uploaded images to Tiki 9.1 file galleries?
... when I upload an image into the gallery folder, Tiki encodes the image name in the Directory ... I want it saved as 'filename.type' so I can easily identify the files when viewed with FTP
marclaporte: kstingel: there is a way to get Tiki to get files from the server instead of uploading
There is no option to save filename.type as this could be a security vulnerability
also, there can be two files with the same name
kstingel: marclaporte: do tell, that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for
marclaporte: tiki-admin.php?page=fgal Batch uploading
kstingel: basically, I have my images already in their folder .... but when I add them into galleries so I can access them easily, Tiki encodes the name of the file
marclaporte: Hpw about WebDAV?
http://doc.tiki.org/WebDAV
About an "Advanced Tiki Administration site to follow up on Rick's books " -> Sometimes, documentation is necessary because UI is bad or because inline help/tips is lacking. Can you help with inline help/tips to reduce the need for a book?
refizul: marclaporte: no, at the moment I log in, the search box disappears. I tested it not a minute ago.
I tested it just a minute ago.
marclaporte: ok, try again
refizul: now it is visible
what did you do?
marclaporte: ok, tks. It was using the feature permitting to only show to Anonymous
Which is useful if you want to show a different module when logged on
refizul: ah - yeah, I know the usecase from unix rights. allowed to access by group but forbidden to access by owner
this looks odd, but sometimes...
Caarrie|sleeping: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5 is no longer parsing correctly
refizul: there's still the cookie security issue on my todo list
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kstingel: marclaporte: I'm happy to help with docs as I can, but most of what I intend for my site isn't even on doc.tiki.org yet ... I wouldn't know where to put it
I'm basically just going to add pages to my site as I find advanced admin jobs I can complete for myself ... then once I have a decent amount of content there, I was planning on unleashing my gleaned knowledge on the unwary public ... maybe it will help someone else
hmm .... maybe I should rename it from "Advanced Tiki" to OCD Tiki (since I'm a bit OCD when it comes to managing my Tiki install
I notice that when I hover over many of the help icons in the Admin area ... the descriptions are either non-existent or very vague ... I'm hoping I can deduce some more substantial tips for those areas, then I can add them into d.t.o
marclaporte: kstingel: that's the thing
Instead of adding to doc.tiki.org or anywhere, can you improve the description in the application?
It's quite easy: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
kstingel: most likely ... as long as someone explains just how I do that ;)
marclaporte: And also: http://dev.tiki.org/Adding+a+preference+to+an+admin+panel
And the complete list is at http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/prefreport.htm
kstingel: so, basically once I have a better description ... I just open the relevant file ... look for that particular preference and edit that line?
marclaporte: yup!
kstingel: then upload my 'fix' via SVN to the repository
marclaporte: yup :-)
kstingel: too easy
marclaporte: And write a description which is suitable for search engine results
You know in tiki-admin.php, when someone search for something, the pref that comes up should be fairly descriptive
even without the context of the admin panel (well, there is a link to its context, but you see what I mean)
There are over 1000 prefs
If we can get the descriptions to a higher level, it reduces support issues and documentation need
kstingel: yup ... it helps if the description isn't exactly the same text as the search phrase
marclaporte: for example, you were looking for Batch upload
So now that you found it, just add description and keyword that would have made sense to you and let you find it
kstingel: yeah ... I'd seen it before, but I didn't understand how it worked .... I thought it meant I had to have an archive to be read
marclaporte: https://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#keywords
Also, if a preference is misplaced in the admin panel, you can easily move it
or add an extra copy of it at a place that would have made sense for you
kstingel: it sort of works the way I wanted ... I created a folder: batch_upload in the Tiki root folder (because I'm bound to have forgotten what I called it in 6 months) and I'm saving my uploaded images into fg_images (because 'images' doesn't work anymore with the new rewrite rules) ... Tiki reads my upload folder and shows available files, but then when I open explorer (I'm playing with AAMPS...
...localhost so I could use Softaculous to install) .... the filenames are still in gobble-de-gook ... and it removes the original file from the upload folder
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bonjour monsieur marclaporte
kstingel: for some of my plugins, I need the files accessible by their names, not their fileIDs (because the files uploaded are the images for the plugin)
and I'd also like to find a way to be able to have internal Tiki images available in a gallery ... so that images used by plugins can be easily exported from one location, rather than having to trawl through the different folders to gather them up
luatdo: who can help me?hix hix hix
hi
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fabricius: polom
good morning tikiverse
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luciash: polom
fabricius: wolod
luciash: :)
fabricius: :-)
how r wife and son?
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Ahoy hoy! (a.k.a. polom)
fabricius: ahoi jonny, nice to see you
jonnyb:
;-)
jonnyb: hi fabricius
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fabricius: arrgl again ... managed to export/import large db with mysqldumper ... trying to extract a Tiki .zip file now with a cpanel-filemanager and it breaks after 24MB
wasting time now
jonnyb: stinky!
you kept files in the database? :(
probably better to convert them to filesystem storage before upgrading imho
kstingel: I know about using -----Version----- in Tiki pages for alternate content .... is there a similar function for ----Structure----, or would I need to write separate copies of relevant pages for each structure?
fabricius: looool jonnyb thanks for the hint :-DDDD
hi kstingel - the book project?
jonnyb: too late by the sound of it fabricius, sry
fabricius: hehe
no problem
kstingel: I have some data that is only relevant online, I don't want it included in the ePub structure
.... just thinking it would be nice to be able to automate the filter :)
jonnyb: kstingel: not as far as i know, but i don't use structures much
can't you use css for that? (somehow)
fabricius: but all I try for hours is to get the f*** installation copied as it is and then move the files to the directory
luciash: jonnyb: ahoj ahoj :)
fabricius: I just promised not to work on the original running productive instance
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jonnyb: hi luciash
luciash: fabricius: it would be much slicker with ssh access, would not it ?
kstingel: thanks jonnyb ....I'll tinker
css could work in theory, just load it into a div.web then hide div.web in epub.css .... but the data would still be there taking up space in the file
... I'm looking for a filter to remove the web-only data
meh, when is missing - write an extension :D
fabricius: YES! indeed it WOULD be luciash and jonnyb :-D
I am pretty much sure, I would have been finished that since aged, if I had
-aged + ages
AHHHHH jonnyb help!!!
I made a really really really plain installation
NEW folder
NEW database
SVN checkout
and still damaged
maybe the default settings are changed?
but even in tiki-admin.php, when I do some setting, they are not saved
arrrgl what happens here?
kstingel: FF doesn't wanna play nice tonight ... CZ is jumpy, back after I download a new (standalone) client
jonnyb: fabricius: is there a url i can try? maybe it's a browser issue somehow
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fabricius: yes
-> q
kstingel: before I quit CZ ... is there anyone here familiar with KVirc? ... I'm a bit lost on setting it up
jonnyb: what is CZ? (guess that means i'm not familiar :) )
kstingel: ChatZilla
it's the client I've been using
jonnyb: oh right - and the other thing? kvirc is another client?
kstingel: yup ...just downloaded a free standing client because CZ plugin for FF keeps eating all my sys resources ... FF is overly hungry as a whole
I've also downloaded Android IRC so I can connect portably, but I'll set that up after I get my 'main' client connected
fabricius: I use thunderbird now (after CZ)
quite fine
no switch of software anymore
brb
luciash: irssi ftw :)
kstingel: back in time i used konversation, was quite fine irc GUI client to use, if you are not happy with kvirc u can give it a shot
kstingel: luciash: is kconversation available for Windows? it sounds like a Linux IRC client
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luciash: kstingel1: ah, sorry, yes, linux only... it sounded like u r on linux, cause kvirc originates from KDE/linux environment too
iirc
kstingel1: linux is not an option atm ... I broke my box and don't have a spare (yet) to reinstall ... have Windon't 7 & Android avail atm, Android is mostly for testing my ePub builds
back soon, need to reconnect
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fabricius: rehi
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Bsfez: Hi Torsteen
fabricius: hi Berni
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jonnyb: are dynamic lists working for everyone else in 9.x? mine seems to have been broken for quite a while, but maybe i'm not setting it up right...
kstingel: jonnyb: how do I check if mine are working?
not sure I have any d-lists currently
jonnyb: it's a very fiddly tracker thing, was only if you had one working already
so don't worry (but thanks for asking)
kstingel: lol, there doesn't seem to be much I can actually help you guys with ... but I always try if I can
jonnyb: :)
kstingel: hmm .... my shout for coffee ... back in a bit :D
"it's the little things that count" *nods head in knowing manner*
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kstingel: cafe for all :)
luciash: :)
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jonnyb: need food, bbl
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fabricius: any coffee left?
need a cup
kstingel: fabricius: cafe smile
fabricius: thx kstingel
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kstingel: ooh look at dat ... I have a shadow :-D
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jonnyb: hi rodrigoprimo - long time, no C
KStingel_Prime: hehehe now I can be in 2 places at once
jonnyb: magic?
Jyhem: think i found what's stopping trackers save first click... http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=42370 (look familiar?)
rodrigoprimo: hi jonnyb! yes, indeed. how are you? I'm back working full time in the company I started with some friends a few years ago. that is why I'm not very active in the community these months.
kstingel: sort of ... I managed to work out Android IRC, so I can connect from the Prime
jonnyb: rodrigoprimo: i fixed (possibly) a very old bug you submitted - about img plugin not working with src with accents in
rodrigoprimo: jonnyb: thanks! I got an email notification about that.
jonnyb: i just removed the htmlentities calls - shouldn't have been there in the first place imho
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kstingel: lol identity crisis over
time to go shoot the possums parading on my roof
...or at least shine torch on 'em and scare 'em over to some other roof
jonnyb: polom possums
kstingel: was worse than living in multi story units ... at least unit have some sound insulation between levels *sigh* possum party on roof is like mini avalanch, and is right over my head
at least it was ... I scared 'em off heh heh
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hiii everyone
fabricius: hi Harm
Harman: whats up man
hold on letme get some coke and chips
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Harman: hello again
@fabricius... so i have to do server upgrade next month before i put my app up on google play which would be using mobile module website version
plus i have volunteers working on content over next few months
what vps configuration should i go for??
fabricius: ^^
hmm
Harman: like how much ram, cpu? i need 10-15gb disc space for databsase expected size over next few motnhs..
fabricius: VPS = Vapor Phase Soldering
hehe kidding
Harman: lol, made me think for a second!
http://www.knownhost.com/vps_packages.html and http://www.tmzvps.com/managed-vps are my two options for now
fabricius: I work with share hosting - 100GB space - unlimited subaccounts - ssh-access - 24hours free phone support (landline number) ....
a VPS for me would be just an additional option for BBB, LDAP, Kaltura at times some projects would pay that for at least two years or so
for Tiki you need not a VPS and if you take a VPS you have to maintain it or to hire somebode to maintain the server
kstingel|hacking: how simple would it be to set up a dedicated Tiki machine (Linux OS) on an old 64Gb laptop (2 Gb RAM)? ... and can anyone suggest a specific Linux OS? ... I haven't played in Linux since RedHat 9, so please be nice :)
fabricius: If I would be you ... except you are a linux/network geek anyway ... I would concentrate on the project itself, not on the Server
Harman: they said its managed vps so i dont have to worry and just play with my cpanel that they will give
fabricius: so it is a share hosting or a mange server
manage
arrrgl again
kstingel: managed :)
fabricius: so it is a shared hosting or a managed server
thx kstingel
kstingel: yw
Harman: just look for yourself http://www.tmzvps.com/managed-vps
lol
the thing is once i launch the android app followed by other platform apps, ppl are gonna jump in and my shared account will just die
its first of a kind project i am working on, just wanna make sure it doesnt crash right when its introduced to ppl
fabricius: kstingel: Ubuntu 12.04 with GnomeShell and using the Shell extension to make it a usable operating system (Unity and a plain GnomeShell3 seem to be for tablets, but nor for working PCs)
kstingel: then a lampp stack and Tiki into opt/lampp/htdocs/whatsoever_subfolder
database in lampp-phpMyadmin and give Tiki the creentials
staqrt browser -> localhost/path_to_tikiroot_after_htdocs
dunno
ex: localhost/whatsoever_subfolder
all explained in xampp/lampp
but unix ... if not a geek, take ubuntu
and very nice for webdevelopment is connecting to server from the desktop and the shell
kstingel: fabricius: other half is currently using my old WinXP3 laptop ... since I can't get the SPs to do a (badly needed) reformat, I'm thinking I should make myself a dedicated 'multiTiki' machine ... then I can do my scripts and stuff on Windon't 7 (where my toolset is) but have my test setup(s) on the Linux box
fabricius: no need for WebDav no need for putty anymore
kstingel: running dedicated Tiki-box also means I can have versions 6 - 10 running at same time ... so can easily test and backport any new scripts
I was never able to get WebDAV working ... and I don't understand Putty anyway
Harman: where did u all guys learn programming... like college etc?
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kstingel: trawling Google when I tried something that didn't work as expected? ... then a coupla Uni courses (which basically revised what I'd self-taght)
taught even
one of these days, I'm gonna self-tort me to spellllll
Harman: wow that was good, haha this time u might wanna refer an english book
kstingel: English is my first (and only (spoken) language) .... spelled, well that's different matter ... I have a customised language for that
and it haz it'z own dikshunairy :D
fabricius: Once I switched from Win7 (the best Windows ever just besides XP) to Ubuntu, I never for not even a second wanted to switch back
some times I have to research to do smart stuff, like today FTP with my local shell from my server to a customers server, because there the script-running-time is too slow to unzip
but what if I had still Win? No research? yes. because of no such smart triangle shell thingo
I you use legal gimp instead of hacked photoshop, legal Open/Libre Office instead of MSOffice, Thunderbird instead of Outlook etc. you just move your profiles including mails and adressbooks and continue work like ever
a bit learning, some hard days maybe from time to time, but every day deep breath of freedom
for what you need Win? you are architect and have a construction office with CAD machine? Ok you ne to run this software
soon I will make up a few screencasts to demonstrate how EASY Ubuntu Linux is these days
thanks to Tikis new screencast feature
kstingel: fabricius: I looked at Ubuntu 12.04 ... site says there's a dual boot option for Windon't ... is it any good?
I have some Windon't tools that I don't have Linux replacements for (yet) so I can't drop Windon't completely *adds it to personal Wishlist*
fabricius: kstingel: I starte with this aswell
started
it is fine - a good start
kstingel: and having a Linux box again would make writing Android Apps easier
Harman: linux is good, fast.. if microsoft were like google back then, things would have been different
fabricius: kstingel: if you have your Win7 as "backup" for used-to-work, but same time move app per app to use in linux, after a while you will not return to Win and finally you will get a new harddrive and install just only linux
use the old one as kind of backup
kstingel: fabricius: I have 3 hard drives I can already convert from Windon't ... one of them is old 320 Gb Vista drive that I can't connect to MB (no more slots)
Harman: what do u guys do for living apart from developing tiki
kstingel: can I use Linux for Game development, or would I need to keep Windon't to move in that direction (some time next year)?
Harman: I'm on a 'visually impaired' Pension, so I just amuse self by "tweaking" Tiki
fabricius: hmmm not my focus, can't tell ... must ask s.b. myself
moment, my housemaid knows more
kstingel: lol ... I can't see to walk downstairs with confidence, but I sit 50cm away from screen and tinker to heart's content for hours at a time
fabricius: hmmm he sais you just nee a c++ framework / IDE, which definitely exist for linux
try the games on windows machines or windows in VM
kstingel: mind you, I'm 5'4", so steps are slightly further away from eyes than screen
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kstingel: *sigh* and I had to drop Uni just before I was due to commence C++ course -- luckily I'd already bought the text book
fabricius: so I followed now the hint of amette (finally after two days or so) and carefully removed the "d" from my keyboard to clean it ..... seems to work
Harman: lol
which is better company... google, microsoft or apple?
kstingel: hmm ... I think maybe I need to re-paint my 'E' ... it has half a letter and an orange back-light
Google
Apple is too locked down for broadrange development
Harman: yeah i love google, so much sooo for free and open-sourced
kstingel: Microsoft is just completely broken, so there's little point in developing for it
fabricius: Harman: google is NOT for free!
kstingel: and upgrading an OS License should never cost you $1000.00 especially when the upgrade is forced because they cease support for your preferred version
fabricius: Harman: you just pay differently
kstingel: fabricius: maybe not, but it's a whole lot cheaper than the alternatives
fabricius: kstingel: i do not believe that an upgrade costs $1000,-
ahhh os$ ... might be different exchange course
??
kstingel: it is cheaper by means of money
kstingel: and it is more accessible ... so far
kstingel: it does if you upgrade from XP to Win 7 only to find out that you m=now have to upgrade Office as well :(
fabricius: kstingel: as long as the licences stay open guaranteed for ever
arrrgl
you have NOT to!!!!
just use OpenOffice or LibreOffice or Koffice
Use OpenSource
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kstingel: I did at the time .... I needed Publisher for a course I was dooing
fabricius: move all software to OpenSource and finally you realise, that you need no windows anymore
no more licence fees
kstingel: I still have Office installed on this machine ... but most of the time I do my stuff in Open Office 3 now
fabricius: yeahh
Harman: i have open office in my android phone
kstingel: I'm still waiting for an Open Source ePub3 writer .... for the moment I'm stuck with using Sigil to compile ePub2, and dropping into In-Design to test out ePub3 builds
Harman: use office 2010 for win vista(bad windows), win8 upgrade maybe, they said pay 30-40$ for upgrade to windows8
fabricius: I have now safari and heidisql under linux and I think I will get IE aswell ... using wine ... specifically I use "play on linux"
kstingel: then again ... any ePub3 reader (other than Adobe Digital Editions) would be nice too
fabricius: vista is one of the worst windows, nearly as bad as ME
kstingel: hence the upgrade to w7
Harman: yeah win8 is coming, going to it now, vista is heavy on resources
fabricius: I think for a start it would be good for you to have a dual boot to have all necessary windows apps straight working
kstingel: ... much better than V, but still way too expensive to maintain long term
fabricius: but then VM or native linux alternatives
only a few things where you do not find nice easy to use professional linux alternatives
But I have to continue my work ... getting late
kstingel: Photoshop 6 confused me, so I've dropped that ... but I'm still aclimatising to Gimp
fabricius: i stay here anyway .... just to mention if I do need longer time to answer ;-)
kstingel: Firewoks 6 is fallback for if I can't figure out the Gimp method
fabricius: any questions to gimp? basic stuff I know ... but for more advanced stuff there are lots of tutorials out there
the three windos are a bit confusing - they will mostlikely change that in the next major version
arrrgl now my "w" hangs
kstingel: I don't know offhand of a Dreamweaver alternative (yet) ... but then, I only use that to do quick compliance checks and site wide link replacements (else I usually use) UEStudio ... which is also available on Linux
fabricius: seems that I have to clean the whole keyboard
I never started with dreamweaver .... before I was that far, I started to realise that I didn't need it anymore
kstingel: nothing I can think of atm ... my main dillemma at present in converting from 'px' to typographic units ... converting HTML to OOdoc for publication
trying to get textboxes with left-icon and background colour to show correctly in OpenOffice writer
I cant work out how to make the box ... box needs to resize vertically, but icon shouldn't resize ... I tried to do as 'group' but then if text is too long, icon stretches with box-height
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fabricius: does anybody have any experience with lftp on Linux?
I need to login to my webserver via shell (ssh) and ftp-send a file from there to a customers server
have installed lftp, but I did not yet manage to correctly connect
need a hand
anybody could help?
refizul: fabricius: what exactly is the problem with the connect?
login fail?
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lphuberdeau: FTP is never required, get your clients to use SFTP (free with SSH)
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fabricius: hehe lphuberdeau you're damned al'right ... but for me it is just a tiny project and I am pretty sure not to get them anywhere else at this point
lphuberdeau: all ftp servers are crap, it's ahorrible protocol
fabricius: refizul: the script running time seems to be too short to unzip via cpanel-file-manager
lphuberdeau refizul I want to send the unzipped folder directly from server to server .... upload from desktop needs too much time
or is there another way to unzip?
it is horrible timewaste right now
refizul: ssh -> unzip -> ftp -- should work
jonnyb: fabricius: you have ssh? scp is the one i tihnk
fabricius: refizul: yes, if there would be ssh access
refizul: I don't know whether unzip command via ftp is possible
jonnyb: is cpanel?
fabricius: yes!
cpanel
jonnyb: some cpanels have a secure copy (scp) admin bit
fabricius: i check
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jonnyb: it's really fiddly getting the params all right at once, i find
refizul: fabricius: you said "my webserver via shell (ssh)" - can you unzip it there and continue with ftp from there?
fabricius: refizul: I have unzipped on my server - I have shell access on my server - I have lftp installed, but never used - need a hand how to setup the push command in the right way
on the other side the cpanel seems to be a micro cpanel
I do not find any configuration for ftp users
so I tried the cpanel user
technically it should be all setup to send from my server via ftp to the other one, which I can trigger from my local machine via shell
problem is, that I never did before and I am not sure if the path is wrong, the commands parameters or the user
right now I have this:
lftp -e 'put ./tiki-6.7; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
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fabricius: (kundeseinedomain.org=example.com=customerhisdomain.org)
jonnyb: ah, it was the cpanel "https://rocket.gnservers.com:2083/frontend/rvskinlight/backup/fullbackup.html" thing i was thinking about
but it might be a good way (if the destination is lots bigger than the source, of course!)
xavi: polom
jonnyb: oops, didn't mean to post the whole link in (stupid clever clipboard)
hi xavi
xavi: fabricius: I did read at the irc log that you were asking for lftp....
fabricius: see http://russbrooks.com/2010/11/19/lftp-cheetsheet
hi jonnyb
fabricius: I have the command from there - thx xavi
xavi: ok
fabricius: as said, I am uncertain about path or user ...cpanel seems not to have an ftp-user option, so I take the cpanel user
xavi: Jyhem_laptop: PluginR uses exec indeed
fabricius: HAH idea!!!
refizul: fabricius: I guess mput instead of put handles more than one file
fabricius: thx, Iĺl try
hmm
I tried now the same connection than with my filesystem-ftp ... cpanel.domain.org
and I tried ftp.cpanel.org <=> lftp: ftp.cpanel.evidem.org: Name or service not known
and ftp://cpanel.domain.org <=> no feedback from shell
(sry above misstyped here and forgot once domain)
refizul: fabricius: maybe you need subdirs? then you can use a recursive mirror command instead of put or mput: mirror -R
mput is for more than one file with wildcard notation
fabricius: refizul: could you type me an example please?
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Jyhem_laptop: xavi: I know, I checked. So does pluginRR. But amette can't mention pluginR (and pluginRR) because most people don't have them.
refizul: interactive: 1st: lftp ftp.example.com
fabricius: refizul: is thia a good fedback: cd ok, cwd=/public_html ?
refizul: 2nd (untested): mirror -R localpath ftp.example.com/path/
Jyhem_laptop: polom
refizul: you are remote in public_html then
seems ok
fabricius: should I type "mirror" aswell?
refizul: yes, the command name is mirror
the option -R is recursive
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refizul: and if the uploads breaks, the option -c tries to continue without repeating to upload existing files
I don't know whether remote path is absolute or relative to cwd
fabricius: Interrupt
but after command before:
changi: jonnyb: http://framework.zend.com/manual/1.12/en/coding-standard.coding-style.html see Funcions and Methods
fabricius: lftp cpanel.evidem.org:~>
KStingel_Prime: just checking who I am :)
fabricius: you are KStingel_Prime
refizul: now I got this:mirror: Login failed: 530 Login authentication failed
1 error detected
kstingel: cool, I have correct accounts open on expected devices ... now can go walk-about
xavi: Jyhem_laptop: yes, I know. this is just to support your idea and what you said to amette (vague-enough short sentences is a good approach)
KStingel_Prime: is hard to get used to white text on black ... Windon't is black on white
fabricius: I ge
refizul: I get this far: put: /www/htdocs/XXXXXX/tiki-6.7: Is a directory
refizul: try: mirror -R localpath/
It seems you do not need a remote URL if you are logged on already
jonnyb: hi changi - i'm sure that's changed, but will try and remember in the future! :)
fabricius: you mean the real local path -> ./tiki-6.7 <-?
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fabricius: I think I need to mention usr, pwd
refizul: example for syntax: lftp -e "mirror -cR -i .*.dem$ /home/gameserver/server1/cstrike/ /httpdocs/sourcetv_demos;quit" -u ftp_user:ftp_password ftp_host
example interactive -- 1st) lftp -u ftp_user:ftp_password ftp_host
2nd) mirror -R /home/gameserver/server1/cstrike/maps/ /httpdocs/cstrike/maps
lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
or:
lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
should work IMHO
but the cwd is wrong then
lftp -e 'cd public_html;mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
fabricius: refizul: ahhhh
something happens!!!
Getting directory contents (0)
it is making data connection, negotiating, delaying before reconnect: (seconds) and again and again
refizul: open a 2nd ftp connection and check whether there are files uploaded
fabricius: but I understood: command -parameter 'cd local remote;bye' -u user:pwd Host
nothing uploaded
can I stop it in the shell ? (its a loop)
hmm i close it
refizul: yes, ctrl+c
lftp -e 'mirror -cR ./tiki-6.7/ public_html/; bye' -u cpaneluser,cpanelpasswort ftp.kundeseinedomain.org
if there is an unzip command installed, you have gont another option
upload the compressed file, write an php decompress wrapper script, upload the script via ftp, run it via http, delete it via ftp
fabricius: hmmm
you bring me to an idea
there might be a decompress wrapper script existing
why not siply do this way?
hmmm
^^
refizul: http://www.bouthors.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=en:linux:synchro_lftp
fabricius: thx
ok, I want two things (or more? ;-) )
1. get this files to the other server
2. understand lftp to make it usable for me in the long run
maybe 3. php unzip aswell?
I get to (smoking) now brb
ahhahaha not in skype loool
and thx for your help refizul
rehi
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fabricius: ahhhh refizul I GOT IT
we made it way too complicated
http://webhostingneeds.com/Upload_all_files_and_sub_folders_using_lftp_in_command_line
1.: ftp://user:XXXX@ftp.site.com
2.: set ftp:ssl-allow no
3.: mirror -R tiki-6.7
and it is running like it was SVN
wow
thus easy
anyway, without your help I maybe wouldn't got there today - thx refizul
refizul: np
the finetuning flags are its own story
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refizul: I'm not really a ftp user. I prefer rsync via ssh.
fabricius: refizul: I am rather using ssh when possible aswell, even as I am a sideentrant in this IT stuff ... using shell and ssh is quite new to me and I learn it step by step ... at least I got it very clearly, that it is very very handy to be able to use the shell
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jonnyb: done for now, nitenite