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refizul: the files' url end with $NAME/download
<br> is it possible to get rid of that? I copy the link and paste it to the commandline to wget the file and then the name is "download"
<br> e.g. wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.1/Verification/tiki-9.1.tar.gz.gpg/download
<br> or is there a reason to take the hyperlink that way? Is it enforced by sf?
<br> the download itself already works without the /download part
<br> Is there a http/https toggle button or something, so that a visitor can choose the protocol easily? Example: http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Main_page -- upper right, below log in
fabricius: don't think so ... never seen in Tiki
<br> btw. the ftp is still putting the files over to the other server
<br> in the meantime I found a php unzip file, translated, downloaded and unzipped 3 different Tiki versions
<br> that's much faster I guess
<br> and got food and ... :-)
<br> but it works
<br> what you are onto right now refizul ?
marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>: dunno but maybe in #sourceforge, someone would know?
refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: I'm collecting info, studying the tiki dev philosophy and considering the best way to continue (with documentation of every step)
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: are they on freenode here?
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: cool
refizul: they link to webchat "Real-Time Support"? oO(...) :-)
fabricius: <u>marclaporte</u>: the downloadpage on info is massively outdated (and I assume it is not the only one)
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: I think I join the release team to focus on that task - it is related to the websiterevamp anyway, where I am on
<br> not yet far enough for packaging, but the surrounding stuff like downloadpage must be looked after aswell
<br> maybe I chat with rick aswell, as he makes the announcements, is working on the revamp aswell ...
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: coming thursday is release? one day 1/2 about?
refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: maybe we get an answer during business hours 1200-2100 UTC
<br> about dealing with the svn repository: is there any recommendation of a development environment?
<br> or is it a better method to keep command line and editor?
marclaporte: <u>fabricius</u>: glad you are up to take more responsibility!
<br> <u>refizul</u>: I just use shell an edit files directly on the server and commit
<br> <u>refizul</u>: many people here like phpstorm
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: did you read http://tiki.org/Evolution+of+participation#An_example_of_a_happy_path ?
<br> You could also help with http://tiki.org/Wishlist+Team
<br> <u>refizul</u>: one important thing in the Tiki dev philosphy is commit early & often
<br> So that "easy" cookie thing, go for it, and that's how you get feedback from other devs
refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: if the units itself are small, edit and command line are fine. Sometimes I use codeblocks, but I've got no experience how it works together with svn. I know cb and eclipse have got some issues with those kind of repos
<br> the cookie thing: easy means: if you know the code already it can be done in little time. I know very well what's going on at a semantic level but not yet at code level
<br> since it is important to understand how the code pieces interact I think it will be a good start to figure out the email blueprint first
<br> I need to get familiar with the code and the philosophy, this will take a few days.
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marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>: if anything is not clear or doesn't fee right in these page: http://dev.tiki.org/cat167, please let us know
<br> <u>refizul</u>: are you usually a PHP coder?
refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: I coded some PHP stuff a few years ago, but actually I do either compiler stuff or admin scripting.
<br> It's not the point something special is unclear. It's more like I've got my own method to learn and understand. It's slow at the beginning, but then it explodes exponentially (I hope)
<br> Usually I do not start at a part of the mosaic but I try to see the whole picture.
<br> At least I need to understand the project's skeleton, and to distinguish the important and critical parts from surface stuff.
<br> Digging into a 140MB project isn't something done at a Sunday afternoon ;-)
<br> I'm pretty confident that I'll find my path through the jungle, and I'm not afraid to ask a lot of questions when they arise.
marclaporte: super!
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refizul: Some people around here fear me when I start with questions.
<br> The simplest questions are the most difficult ones at the end.
<br> Actually I'm in a philosophical dilemma. I must decide how and where to set up my environment.
<br> Server? Desktop? Desktop with a chroot? Virtual machine on desktop?
<br> A wrong decision here will cause a lot of work in the long run. I need to take in consideration that I want to work from another client.
<br> I can sync my workspace up to a server and down to another machine. I can use a remote desktop environment. Or...
<br> This decision affects the scripts I need for automatization. And before this infrastructure isn't built I'll definitely not start, because this'd lead into chaos.
marclaporte: Can you elaborate on the automatization you have in mind?
refizul: And now it occurs that the best solution here probably is something which I never did, but it's been on my todo list for a long time.
<br> Do you have experience with nested virtualization?
<br> I guess I need a KVM virtual machine with a Xen VM inside.
<br> This would make synchronization (rsync/ssh) and usage of several clients very easy, and it wouldn't disturb my default working environment.
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<br> Can anyone help? I'm having problems getting the tracker plugin to work. I'm trying to get tracker 2 to display in a wiki page. Here is the code I'm using: {rss id="trackerId2" max="5" date="1" desc="1" showtitle="1"}. The result is a blank page however.
refizul: <u>Dylan_</u>: Was the tracker created properly?
Dylan_: I believe so. The RSS feed for the tracker is working.
refizul: Can it be a permission issue?
Dylan_: Thanks Refizul. It's possible but I'm pretty sure I've set all permissions correctly and am logged in as admin.
<br> Are there any permissions that you can think of that I should check?
marclaporte: <u>Dylan_</u>: there is a bug in RSS
<br> check the RSS code
<br> https://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5 XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
<br> It's because of extra f before <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<br> This is the bug: http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-12135
Dylan_: Thanks Marclaporte. For me the tracker is working fine: http://scl.host852.com/tiki-tracker_rss.php?ver=5&trackerId=2
<br> I mean RSS seems to be working fine.
<br> The issue is getting the Tracker/RSS feed to display in a wiki page.
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refizul: Is the opening ``{rss'' correct?
help-me: hello
<br> refizul
<br> can you help me please!
refizul: help-me: yes?
help-me: i have a problem with tiki article
<br> tiki version 9.0
<br> only user admin can preview
<br> register preview-->blank format text
<br> hix hix hix
refizul: help-me: check all the permissions
help-me: I config permission register and admin are the same
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Dylan_: You may be right Refizul. I'm not sure that code is correct. I can get my blog to display in a wiki page with {BLOGLIST(Id=>2, Items=>5)}{BLOGLIST}
<br> I'm trying to do the same for a tracker.
refizul: <u>Dylan_</u>: I guess some code must be there. But with rss I can reproduce the problem
Tamler: Would it be kosher to ask a question about installing the software?
refizul: <u>Tamler</u>: sure
<br> help-me: no idea what's wrong with preview, sorry
help-me: hix hix
<br> if i start LDAP
<br> i can't config some permission
<br> can I config some permission?
Tamler: I'm using a shared db server with a specific port and the install keeps failing to resolve the host:port. I have tested and all settings are correct.
<br> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I've checked the forums and found older posts with similar issues, but no resolution.
refizul: host, port, db-name, db-user and db-password are really correct?
Tamler: yes, i tested and all is well.
<br> I have a bd connection test script
<br> db even
refizul: php supports database stuff?
Tamler: yes, test script is php, and the installation script runs up until the point of trying to connect to db
<br> without the :port the script will run but the host will not let me in due to the specific port for the account.
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refizul: can you try port rewrite (NAT) for testing?
Tamler: i am not admin on the db machine and it is a shared host webserver
refizul: not the db, your machine
<br> hm - ok, not on the webserver
Tamler: I do not know then.
<br> I have other CMS that work with the same setup
help-me: who help me please?hix hix hix!!!!
marclaporte: <u>Tamler</u>: which hosting company? Like Dreamhost or something?
<br> help-me: did you see http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication ?
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help-me: yes
marclaporte: <u>Tamler</u>: did you try http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation
refizul: hm - I run a test install
<br> I see there is no field for port
Tamler: yeah
<br> i've been using :port
refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: can tiki be used on different db ports?
help-me: but I can preview article
refizul: I suppose "host:port" could be interpreted as hostname, not as combination. But I don't know.
help-me: i'm not ideal of my problem
<br> help me please
refizul: This would be a feature request if this is not posible.
Tamler: yikes
refizul: <u>Tamler</u>: do you have ftp access?
<br> check this file: lib/core/Zend/Queue/Adapter/Db/mysql.sql
<br> look for Host or Host: localhost:3306
Tamler: i'm looking tho
refizul: ah - no, wrong file
<br> maybe the mysqli.default_port
<br> can you modify php.ini or something?
<br> or try to modify db/local.php
<br> replace the line $host_tiki='localhost';
marclaporte: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/db/tiki-db-pdo.php?content-type=text%2Fplain
refizul: I guess host:port does not work with mysql, but I'm not sure (and I need sleep)
<br> I need to check that in a clean environment
<br> maybe tomorrow
<br> but this is an important question
<br> back in some hours
marclaporte: help-me: So I confirm two problems with articles (preview and save)
<br> <u>refizul</u>: nested virtualization : I have no experience
<br> {rss id="trackerId2" is not valid
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marclaporte: id is supposed to be a valid RSS feed ID that you set as per http://doc.tiki.org/PluginRSS
<br> You must create the feedID at tiki-admin_rssmodules.php
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marclaporte: <u>Dylan_</u>: ^^
<br> <u>Dylan</u>: RSS feeds are to send data to other sites or to pull data from other sites. If you want to do this within a Tiki site, you should use the relevant plugin or module.
<br> Use this instead: http://doc.tiki.org/Module+last_tracker_items
Dylan_: Thanks, Marc. I will try that.
marclaporte: In a wiki page, it could be something like this: {module module="last_tracker_items" decoration="n" max="1" notitle="y",trackerId=5,name=Subject,max=1,nonums=y}
Dylan_: Perfect. Thank you, Marc.
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marclaporte: refizul and Tamler: about mysql.example.com:3307 instead of localhost -> http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-01-15,7&sel=19#l15
<br> Someone resolved but seems to have disappeared before documenting: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-11-17,Wed&sel=514#l510
<br> this person wrote: got it to work on port 3307 by editing php.ini to set default port and using mysql rather than mysqli
<br> Something related http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-11-21,Sat&sel=48#l44
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<br> polom y'all
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fabricius: moloq
ricks99: hi fabricius
fabricius: how r you ricks99 ?
<br> everything is working out well?
ricks99: still early in morning for me. need more coffee :)
fabricius: Ah I just made a can .. send u a pot: d_|
<br> I am fighting with an ugly problem since a few days and dig deeper and deeper
ricks99: 1 sec.. brb
fabricius: np
ricks99: back.
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<br> poloms in the afternoon
ricks99: polom jonnyb
jonnyb: hi ricks99
<br> good to hear of the book update coming for 9 LTS, thanks!
ricks99: slowly but surely
<br> never enough hours in the day
jonnyb: usually :P
fabricius: 2moloq Jyhem
<br> 2moloq jonnyb
jonnyb: hi fabricius
fabricius: arrgl ... managed stuff on their server, but now have to import locally and the table_files seems to be corrupted
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<br> my head is swirrling
<br> haha I am two now
jonnyb: sounds grim IAMfabricius - best of luck!
IAMfabricius: maybe the shadow will disappear ... ah
-: fabricius needs a fag
fabricius: <u>jonnyb</u>: yes ... I try to solve it and I learn much whilst I do ... but anyway, it eats time hour by hour and day by day
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: how long it needs to open a 130M large file in a text editor ... there seems to be an error in line 84 aaaaaaaarhgghhh
<br> no point to open such a large file
-: fabricius starts crying
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Jyhem_laptop: Hi fabricius. You just want to see line 83-85 ?
<br> head -n 85 file | tail -n 3
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fabricius: <u>Jyhem_laptop</u>: in shell / nano?
<br> or just shell?
<br> maybe the original dump made with phpmyadmin was corrupt - I just dumped the table again with mysqldumper
Jyhem_laptop: just shell
fabricius: I try to import that first and see, if another error
<br> ok thx Jyhem_laptop
Jyhem_laptop: meaning, you can display without editing. Opening 13
<br> Opening huge file sin editors can take time and RAM
<br> s/file sin/files in/
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jonnyb: <u>fabricius</u>: (and hi Jyhem_laptop) - i've found if you have a lot of binary in your database using "Use hexadecimal for BLOB" on export from phpmyadmin sometimes helps
fabricius: thx, I try straight away
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: if I am right, I had "use hex..." ticked all the time
jonnyb: it's probably the default - if it's not working like that try unchecking it maybe?
fabricius: tried
<br> <u>Jyhem_laptop</u>: if I can view only them 3 lines in the shell, couldn't I edit only the three lines aswell?
<br> maybe with nano?
jonnyb: so fabricius - can you recap (sorry) - where are you stuck now? exporting, uploading or importing?
<br> can you share the file? (dropbox or something) - i'll try and have a look
refizul: about yesterday's wget download problem with filenames: http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/community-docs/downloading-via-cli/
<br> wget --trust-server-names http://[...] does the job
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: thx
refizul: that's what they told in #sourceforge
jonnyb: nice, thanks refizul - anywhere on doc.t.o this might fit as a troubleshooting tip? :)
fabricius: <u>jonnyb</u>: I try to import the table tiki_files, which contains over 360 files and there is an error message, that in line 84 there is a wrong number of ?columns? (or so) and import stos with line 83
<br> haha I managed to open the file in nano!
<br> I love the shell
<br> every day more
<br> one day I will become a text-junky
jonnyb: you're welcome to it, fabricius - i generally download stuff and work on it locally, like in the 21st century! :)
fabricius: wooop that was a hbit jonnyb
<br> a hit
<br> anybody knows the shell editor nano? I need to show the line numbers
refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: a GUI is an important tool to manage all the xterms used for real work
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: try ALT + C
<br> no, CTRL+C
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<br> hello guys
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: tried CTRL+C and helped, thx
<br> hi harm
refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: open the file with: nano -c filename
Harman: need help with custom css header in tiki... i wish to center the logo..
<br> hello fab
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Harman: my methods of centering logo didnt work..
fabricius: hah refizul that's cool
<br> thx
<br> hmm after line 83 I have mainly stuff like this:
<br> �^@U^B�^A�^@^M^@^C@^G^OX^]J�нֽ{^MQ��;Ԍz�$�V�%�r�^@�U�^][ьƶ��Uݶ\��ݶM��Ķ0^QB��U�?[��䑚�f�Z7^Lȑ^U^Q^TKG^^K$
<br> and I have 687928 lines ouch!
<br> seems that's why it brakes somehow
<br> I do not know, how the files are saved in the original database, which is set in charset latin1
<br> it seems, that I cannot get it out
<br> maybe download 360 files manually?
jonnyb: that doesn't look like it's exported as hex, looks like raw binary to me
fabricius: yes
<br> the hole thing is weird
<br> I guess that happens, when you do not setup the app alright from scratch
jonnyb: best thing i would have thought would be to move the files to the filesystem in 6.x, then upgrade (but if you can't take a good backup it's a bit dangerous)
fabricius: right at the moment I am at the point, that I promised not to touch the original database
<br> once we fuck that, we ared done
<br> but generally I fully agree with you
refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: can you dump the database?
jonnyb: is this file one exported using mysqldump via ssh?
fabricius: <u>jonnyb</u>: no - I tried mysqldumper and phpmyadmin so far ... I cannot export via ssh, cause I have no ssh access
jonnyb: ok, the only ssh is on the new server, right?
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: yes, I have several dumps, made with diferent settings (started from standart) aswell with phpmyadmin as with mysqldumper
jonnyb: have you tried adminer?
<br> http://www.adminer.org
fabricius: I have ssh on my server, but actually I work locally ... and on their server trying to get the table in the right format, respectively uncorrupted
<br> I tried adminer yesterday morning, but I did not get it running
<br> I could try again, if you recommend
jonnyb: no idea really, just another option
<br> you tried exporting the tiki_files table separately?
fabricius: yes ... I also exported the whole db ... but as the main problem seems to be the table
ricks99: argh... trying to include some php within a custom/user module. tried {php}....{/php} but no good. what's the secret?
jonnyb: <u>ricks99</u>: i think there's a pref to enable that somewhere
fabricius: is that a smarty ricks99 ?
<br> like {wiki}
<br> maybe you need {php}{literal} ... {/literal}[/php}?
ricks99: thx jonnyb. turning off smarty security did the trick!
lphuberdeau: if you need PHP, why not just create a module?
<br> security settings are not just annoyances...
ricks99: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: yeah, might look at that. was hoping to do everythign from within tiki
lphuberdeau: disabling smarty security is just removing one of those protections that prevent really bad escalations if something goes wrong with the site
<br> I can't think of a single place where this should be recommended
ricks99: y. there's alwasys a balance between securty and functionlity
lphuberdeau: creating a module really is just adding a template and a php file
<br> there are some cases where balance is quite easy to determine, this is one of them
ricks99: thanks!
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: asking about the workspace enhancements you made ...
refizul: How is it possible to edit "Download" at info.t.o?
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: need permission
<br> <u>refizul</u>: whatzup?
ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: what to change?
refizul: the wget stuff
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: you made some stuff with data channels - which I not yet understood ... think it has s.th. to do with yaml? ;-)
refizul: doc.t.o download is a redirection to info
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: on creating a workspace certain things are setup, like a group, a namespace, a wikipage
ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: try dev.tiki.org/download
Harman: anybody help me with custom header css!!!!
refizul: Get+code is svn stuff, isn't it?
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: I want to do two things: I) setting up default values for the elements of the workspaces (like default group permissions, content templates etc. II) I want to add more stuff like a forum for each workspace, a file gallery for each workspace ... all with certain preset perms and prefs related to the specific workspace group
ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: what are you trying to do?
fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: yes
refizul: the wget info should be somewhere in doc
ricks99: <u>Harman</u>: it depends what your question is
refizul: the sf issue with /download at the end of hyperlinks
lphuberdeau: fabricius, the UI allows you to set-up the groups and the permissions
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: how can I extend or interfere with the creation process?
<br> ok
Harman: i wish to center the logo image in a perpective
<br> so i am gonna add custom css header to that perpective
ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: believe it is in the Install guide on doc.tiki.org
refizul: <u>ricks99</u>: I'll check that
ricks99: <u>Harman</u>: when you add the module, can include css for align:center
Harman: let me try that
ricks99: see docs for details: doc.tiki.org/module
fabricius: <u>Harman</u>: maybe: perspective - category - theme-option - theme control -> theme-option for category or theme-option for perspective
<br> or Harman different logo-module for perspective or for category
ricks99: bbl
refizul: http://doc.tiki.org/Installation&structure=Tiki+Installation+Guide -- 2. Download and unzip - refers to info.t.o
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: let's say, I want a specific type of file-gallery and a forum for each workgroup, how can I add this (extending the creation datachannel? is that the right path to go?)
lphuberdeau: you can also set-up wiki pages
<br> but yes, if you want more for the moment, you need to go in advanced mode, and there it's similar to a data channel, which is a specialized form of profile
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: there is a consulting portal in my mind --- family-law cases --- each person/case get's a default workspace and different teams will get access there
lphuberdeau: but really, in my view, you don't really need additional file galleries - files are categorized and the category jail automagically filters those
fabricius: I am in an early stage and have not yet considered with the interested people, how to structure the files (definitely stored in directory btw)
lphuberdeau: you can have a tree structure for those documents, it just does not need to be per-project
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fabricius: a tree-structure without gallery?
lphuberdeau: file galleries as a tree for the types of document if you wish, but the project/case is a category
fabricius: or are you thinking about different galleries for different types? ah yes
lphuberdeau: switch to the case, and you view the files for that case in a common structure
<br> (of file galleries)
fabricius: this project mainly would deal with similar types (text a odt, pdf, maybe doc and maybe very rarely table or presentation)
lphuberdeau: it's not about the binary format of the files
<br> you could have court summaries, communications, or other things lawyers deal with
fabricius: the treestructure for this specific project would have to be on a per case basis ... this is how the guys are working up to now
lphuberdeau: it does not matter if it's a photo or a document
fabricius: but maybe another structure makes more sense --- so I am open to that
lphuberdeau: they do it the way they do it right now because a shared drive is the tool they have
fabricius: court summaries, communications etc. as type/gallery and that filtered by case/category might be really smart
Harman: Fabricius Ricks99: I added new logo module for mobile perpective and then added align:center but after that logo is still on left but now has plenty margin from top
fabricius: <u>Harman</u>: do you ever worked with *inspect element*?
Harman: ah nope!
fabricius: <u>Harman</u>: setup a themeoption (styles/themename/option/optionname.css)
<br> then apply this themeoption in the perspective
<br> -> thus you needed even not a different logomodule
<br> and then rightclick the logo in your browser and click on *inspect element*
<br> see what happens
<br> pleaswe try with Chrome and with Firefox
Harman: i have one question.. if i have like different module for different perpectives, would that in any way increase loading times?
fabricius: -w
Harman: ok let me try
fabricius: <u>Harman</u>: hmm I do not think so, but lphuberdeau would know best
Harman: <u>Iphuberdeau</u>: What do u think?
lphuberdeau: <u>Harman</u>: yes, it does
fabricius: ^^
lphuberdeau: that's why deep category module filtering was added
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Harman: whoops! whats deep category module
lphuberdeau: so you can group your similar perspectives/jails and re-use those modules
fabricius: so lphuberdeau different modules for different categories will not increase loading times?
lphuberdeau: it's the total amount of modules that cause trouble
fabricius: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: you mean what you added in Barcelona - category tree?
lphuberdeau: if you have 100 workspaces with 3 modules each, that's 300 modules to search through every request
fabricius: for modules
lphuberdeau: if all those workspaces are actually very similar and they are bound to a parent category, that makes 3 modules
<br> 297 iterations saved
<br> I don't remember the exact name of it, but it's new options on all modules
fabricius: visibility in category tree I am pretty sure ... you added cause I came by bike :-D
<br> just kidding
<br> wouldn't it make sense to add "not in category tree" aswell?
lphuberdeau: already there
Harman: lol.. if tiki were not for free, i would have definitily spent money on it
fabricius: ah cool
<br> and "not in perspective"? I think that would be handy ... for ex if you need "not in mobile perspective" or so
lphuberdeau: you might need to bike to montreal to convince me of that one
fabricius: hehe ... maybe I'll do
Harman: yes definitely its pretty handy, who came up with that idea by the way/
<br> ?
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lphuberdeau: what idea?
Harman: module having specific perpective visibility option.
lphuberdeau: http://dev.tiki.org/Workspace
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lphuberdeau: hmm.. new link to viewvc is good, but I miss the commit message
-: jonnyb agrees with lphuberdeau
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Jyhem: message was "correct typo" in fr/language.php
lphuberdeau: clicking on a link to realize it's just typo fixing is disappointing ;)
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Jyhem: I can imagine :)
-: fabricius agrees with lphuberdeau, jonnyb & Jyhem
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jonnyb: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: what does category_jail_root do? something to do with workspace root i'm guessing (looking at the $considerCategoryFilter bit of getCategories())
lphuberdeau: category jail only affects under the root when defined
<br> so categories outside of Workspaces are not affected by the jail (they can be selected from objects when editing)
jonnyb: i found when i added some "outside" categs to category_jail_root in my perspective, those categs disappear (when in that persp) - so seems to work the other way around for me
lphuberdeau: well, I have a few workspaces created using the ui
<br> and I created categories outside the workspace root
<br> if I switch to a workspace's perspective and edit the home page of that workspace
<br> the categories tab has the workspace category selected, and the outside categories are available
<br> that's the expected behabbior
jonnyb: right, so i'm adding this "share_common" option to areas, so when share_common is off that bit should work the other way round for outside categs - i think
lphuberdeau: I didn't really follow on what that was all about
jonnyb: just yell if i break anything, i'll try not too :)
lphuberdeau: it's really not like I was testing everything constantly
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jonnyb: food time, more tomorrow...
refizul: I'm digging deeper into things than I intended... about the mysql stuff:
<br> I assume the classical host:port doens't work with php/mysql.
<br> there are variables mysql.default_port and mysqli.default_port in php.ini
<br> if there is a value fixed, the situation is really bad, if a user can not change it
<br> if there is no value, the compiled-in value will be taken (or with more precedence the value in /etc/services) unless you use the variable $MYSQL_TCP_PORT
<br> I guess this is the reason why free choice of port isn't completely implemented in tiki
<br> On a default Debian mysqli.default_port is set to 3306 but mysql.default_port is empty
<br> This allows dirty hacks
<br> we can implement $MYSQL_TCP_PORT into the tiki code an help users to work around some problems, even if this looks a bit ugly and installation isn't straight forward
lphuberdeau: I don't understand what the problem is
<br> you can configure mysql to start on a specific port and you can configure tiki to connect to mysql on a specific port
refizul: this is the essence, maybe I'll write some more details on list
<br> the problem is: a user without server, just with webspace and a database access, cannot change the settings
<br> this was the case 15 hours ago
<br> the databse was running on a non default port
<br> he could not change mysql port nor php.ini
lphuberdeau: tiki's db/local.php?
refizul: well - what is the setting there for a non default mysql port?
lphuberdeau: tiki does not rely on default settings
refizul: it seems that host:port does not work
lphuberdeau: hmm
<br> actually there isn't
<br> I am really surprised about this
<br> try setting the host to 'localhost;port=3307'
refizul: maybe it does not work only for mysqli with the mysqli.default_port setting, so you cannot override. This needs to be checked.
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lphuberdeau: tiki doesn't use mysqli directly...
<br> it's either through PDO or AdoDB, both which use DNS strings
refizul: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: great - this is the syntax we were looking for. It seems to work.
<br> ah - stop. test did not confirm that
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refizul: hm - it seems to work. and more: it switches from mysqli to mysql
Mammy: The many Tooltips do not show up in FireFox 12 (and others), but do show up in MSIE. It looks like the icon-buttons's attributes are miscoded. It only works in MSIE because MSIE is non-compliant.
<br> Tiki Wiki is incredibly unsophisticated and unrefined. The first form field on pages does not have focus. Even beginning programmers ensure this!
<br> BYE !
lphuberdeau: now that was a detailed bug report
refizul: test 1: SQLSTATE[HY000] [2003] Can't connect to MySQL server on 'tikitest' (111)
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refizul: test 2: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'tikitest01'@'tikitest.example.com' (using password: NO)
<br> <u>lphuberdeau</u>: the syntax seems to work
lphuberdeau: I know
refizul: but now another thing disturbs me - php.ini
<br> I set mysql.default_port to 3307 but this did not work
lphuberdeau: because it might not use the mysql extension
<br> if it is available, tiki will favor using PDO, which is independent of mysql or mysqli
<br> if PDO is not available, it will use AdoDB, which might just apply it's own default, overriding whatever is in php.ini
refizul: Is this documented in doc.t.o?
lphuberdeau: I don't know, I don't read much documentation myself
refizul: What's about writing? ;-)
lphuberdeau: well, you can write it now that you know
<br> I write enough documentation as it is
refizul: I'll summarize the mysql stuff
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refizul: A new hash is born...
<br> http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/winner_sha-3.html
Jyhem: svn commit lang/fr/language.php -m "Correct and consistent translation of passcode (thanks Olaf)"
<br> (so lphuberdeau doesn't need to click)
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refizul: Is it possible to create account related wiki pages? I'd like to have something like a Post-It note to sort my stuff and organize my way through the wiki and project.
lphuberdeau: search for user pages
refizul: oh - the community section. I didn't notice this at all until now. All I saw was info, doc and dev. That's what I was looking for, thx.