#tikiwiki 2012-10-03,Wed

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refizul	question about sf download hyperlink schema at http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.1/Verification/ the files' url end with $NAME/download is it possible to get rid of that? I copy the link and paste it to the commandline to wget the file and then the name is "download" e.g. wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/9.1/Verification/tiki-9.1.tar.gz.gpg/download or is there a reason to take the hyperlink that way? Is it enforced by sf? the download itself already works without the /download part	[00:04]
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	Is there a http/https toggle button or something, so that a visitor can choose the protocol easily? Example: http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Main_page -- upper right, below log in	[00:31]
fabricius	don't think so ... never seen in Tiki btw. the ftp is still putting the files over to the other server in the meantime I found a php unzip file, translated, downloaded and unzipped 3 different Tiki versions that's much faster I guess and got food and ... :-) but it works what you are onto right now refizul ?	[00:36]
marclaporte	refizul: dunno but maybe in #sourceforge, someone would know?	[00:43]
refizul	fabricius: I'm collecting info, studying the tiki dev philosophy and considering the best way to continue (with documentation of every step) marclaporte: are they on freenode here?	[00:45]
fabricius	refizul: cool	[00:49]
refizul	they link to webchat "Real-Time Support"? oO(...) :-)	[00:49]
fabricius	marclaporte: the downloadpage on info is massively outdated (and I assume it is not the only one) marclaporte: I think I join the release team to focus on that task - it is related to the websiterevamp anyway, where I am on not yet far enough for packaging, but the surrounding stuff like downloadpage must be looked after aswell maybe I chat with rick aswell, as he makes the announcements, is working on the revamp aswell ... marclaporte: coming thursday is release? one day 1/2 about?	[00:50]
refizul	marclaporte: maybe we get an answer during business hours 1200-2100 UTC	[00:58]
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	about dealing with the svn repository: is there any recommendation of a development environment? or is it a better method to keep command line and editor?	[01:20]
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marclaporte	fabricius: glad you are up to take more responsibility! refizul: I just use shell an edit files directly on the server and commit refizul: many people here like phpstorm fabricius: did you read http://tiki.org/Evolution+of+participation#An_example_of_a_happy_path ? You could also help with http://tiki.org/Wishlist+Team	[02:26]
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	refizul: one important thing in the Tiki dev philosphy is commit early & often So that "easy" cookie thing, go for it, and that's how you get feedback from other devs	[02:45]
refizul	marclaporte: if the units itself are small, edit and command line are fine. Sometimes I use codeblocks, but I've got no experience how it works together with svn. I know cb and eclipse have got some issues with those kind of repos the cookie thing: easy means: if you know the code already it can be done in little time. I know very well what's going on at a semantic level but not yet at code level since it is important to understand how the code pieces interact I think it will be a good start to figure out the email blueprint first I need to get familiar with the code and the philosophy, this will take a few days.	[02:50]
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marclaporte	refizul: if anything is not clear or doesn't fee right in these page: http://dev.tiki.org/cat167, please let us know refizul: are you usually a PHP coder?	[03:31]
refizul	marclaporte: I coded some PHP stuff a few years ago, but actually I do either compiler stuff or admin scripting. It's not the point something special is unclear. It's more like I've got my own method to learn and understand. It's slow at the beginning, but then it explodes exponentially (I hope) Usually I do not start at a part of the mosaic but I try to see the whole picture. At least I need to understand the project's skeleton, and to distinguish the important and critical parts from surface stuff. Digging into a 140MB project isn't something done at a Sunday afternoon ;-) I'm pretty confident that I'll find my path through the jungle, and I'm not afraid to ask a lot of questions when they arise.	[03:40]
marclaporte	super!	[03:52]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: marclaporte committed r43255 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43255	[03:53]
refizul	Some people around here fear me when I start with questions. The simplest questions are the most difficult ones at the end. Actually I'm in a philosophical dilemma. I must decide how and where to set up my environment. Server? Desktop? Desktop with a chroot? Virtual machine on desktop? A wrong decision here will cause a lot of work in the long run. I need to take in consideration that I want to work from another client. I can sync my workspace up to a server and down to another machine. I can use a remote desktop environment. Or... This decision affects the scripts I need for automatization. And before this infrastructure isn't built I'll definitely not start, because this'd lead into chaos.	[03:53]
marclaporte	Can you elaborate on the automatization you have in mind?	[04:07]
refizul	And now it occurs that the best solution here probably is something which I never did, but it's been on my todo list for a long time. Do you have experience with nested virtualization? I guess I need a KVM virtual machine with a Xen VM inside. This would make synchronization (rsync/ssh) and usage of several clients very easy, and it wouldn't disturb my default working environment.	[04:08]
Dylan_	joined #tikiwiki Can anyone help? I'm having problems getting the tracker plugin to work. I'm trying to get tracker 2 to display in a wiki page. Here is the code I'm using: {rss id="trackerId2" max="5" date="1" desc="1" showtitle="1"}. The result is a blank page however.	[04:11]
refizul	Dylan_: Was the tracker created properly?	[04:18]
Dylan_	I believe so. The RSS feed for the tracker is working.	[04:20]
refizul	Can it be a permission issue?	[04:20]
Dylan_	Thanks Refizul. It's possible but I'm pretty sure I've set all permissions correctly and am logged in as admin. Are there any permissions that you can think of that I should check?	[04:21]
marclaporte	Dylan_: there is a bug in RSS check the RSS code https://dev.tiki.org/tiki-tracker_rss.php?trackerId=5 XML Parsing Error: not well-formed It's because of extra f before <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> This is the bug: http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-12135	[04:22]
Dylan_	Thanks Marclaporte. For me the tracker is working fine: http://scl.host852.com/tiki-tracker_rss.php?ver=5&trackerId=2 I mean RSS seems to be working fine. The issue is getting the Tracker/RSS feed to display in a wiki page.	[04:32]
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refizul	Is the opening ``{rss'' correct?	[04:35]
help-me	hello refizul can you help me please!	[04:36]
refizul	help-me: yes?	[04:37]
help-me	i have a problem with tiki article tiki version 9.0 only user admin can preview register preview-->blank format text hix hix hix	[04:37]
refizul	help-me: check all the permissions	[04:42]
help-me	I config permission register and admin are the same	[04:43]
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Dylan_	You may be right Refizul. I'm not sure that code is correct. I can get my blog to display in a wiki page with {BLOGLIST(Id=>2, Items=>5)}{BLOGLIST} I'm trying to do the same for a tracker.	[04:46]
refizul	Dylan_: I guess some code must be there. But with rss I can reproduce the problem	[04:46]
Tamler	Would it be kosher to ask a question about installing the software?	[04:46]
refizul	Tamler: sure help-me: no idea what's wrong with preview, sorry	[04:47]
help-me	hix hix if i start LDAP i can't config some permission can I config some permission?	[04:48]
Tamler	I'm using a shared db server with a specific port and the install keeps failing to resolve the host:port. I have tested and all settings are correct. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I've checked the forums and found older posts with similar issues, but no resolution.	[04:50]
refizul	host, port, db-name, db-user and db-password are really correct?	[04:54]
Tamler	yes, i tested and all is well. I have a bd connection test script db even	[04:55]
refizul	php supports database stuff?	[04:55]
Tamler	yes, test script is php, and the installation script runs up until the point of trying to connect to db without the :port the script will run but the host will not let me in due to the specific port for the account.	[04:56]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: marclaporte committed r43256 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43256	[04:58]
refizul	can you try port rewrite (NAT) for testing?	[04:58]
Tamler	i am not admin on the db machine and it is a shared host webserver	[04:59]
refizul	not the db, your machine hm - ok, not on the webserver	[04:59]
Tamler	I do not know then. I have other CMS that work with the same setup	[05:00]
help-me	who help me please?hix hix hix!!!!	[05:02]
marclaporte	Tamler: which hosting company? Like Dreamhost or something? help-me: did you see http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication ?	[05:04]
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help-me	yes	[05:08]
marclaporte	Tamler: did you try http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation	[05:08]
refizul	hm - I run a test install I see there is no field for port	[05:08]
Tamler	yeah i've been using :port	[05:08]
refizul	marclaporte: can tiki be used on different db ports?	[05:09]
help-me	but I can preview article	[05:10]
refizul	I suppose "host:port" could be interpreted as hostname, not as combination. But I don't know.	[05:10]
help-me	i'm not ideal of my problem help me please	[05:10]
refizul	This would be a feature request if this is not posible.	[05:10]
Tamler	yikes	[05:11]
refizul	Tamler: do you have ftp access? check this file: lib/core/Zend/Queue/Adapter/Db/mysql.sql look for Host or Host: localhost:3306	[05:12]
Tamler	i'm looking tho	[05:17]
refizul	ah - no, wrong file maybe the mysqli.default_port can you modify php.ini or something? or try to modify db/local.php replace the line $host_tiki='localhost';	[05:19]
marclaporte	http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/db/tiki-db-pdo.php?content-type=text%2Fplain	[05:24]
refizul	I guess host:port does not work with mysql, but I'm not sure (and I need sleep) I need to check that in a clean environment maybe tomorrow but this is an important question back in some hours	[05:27]
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marclaporte	help-me: So I confirm two problems with articles (preview and save) refizul: nested virtualization : I have no experience {rss id="trackerId2" is not valid	[05:53]
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marclaporte	id is supposed to be a valid RSS feed ID that you set as per http://doc.tiki.org/PluginRSS	[05:59]
	You must create the feedID at tiki-admin_rssmodules.php	[06:04]
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marclaporte	Dylan_: ^^ Dylan: RSS feeds are to send data to other sites or to pull data from other sites. If you want to do this within a Tiki site, you should use the relevant plugin or module. Use this instead: http://doc.tiki.org/Module+last_tracker_items	[06:07]
Dylan_	Thanks, Marc. I will try that.	[06:09]
marclaporte	In a wiki page, it could be something like this: {module module="last_tracker_items" decoration="n" max="1" notitle="y",trackerId=5,name=Subject,max=1,nonums=y}	[06:11]
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Dylan_	Perfect. Thank you, Marc.	[06:31]
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marclaporte	refizul and Tamler: about mysql.example.com:3307 instead of localhost -> http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-01-15,7&sel=19#l15 Someone resolved but seems to have disappeared before documenting: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-11-17,Wed&sel=514#l510 this person wrote: got it to work on port 3307 by editing php.ini to set default port and using mysql rather than mysqli Something related http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2009-11-21,Sat&sel=48#l44	[11:10]
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fabricius	moloq	[13:05]
ricks99	hi fabricius	[13:08]
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fabricius	how r you ricks99 ? everything is working out well?	[13:23]
ricks99	still early in morning for me. need more coffee :)	[13:25]
fabricius	Ah I just made a can .. send u a pot: d_\| I am fighting with an ugly problem since a few days and dig deeper and deeper	[13:28]
ricks99	1 sec.. brb	[13:29]
fabricius	np	[13:31]
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ricks99	polom jonnyb	[15:38]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 good to hear of the book update coming for 9 LTS, thanks!	[15:38]
ricks99	slowly but surely never enough hours in the day	[15:39]
jonnyb	usually :P	[15:40]
fabricius	2moloq Jyhem 2moloq jonnyb	[15:44]
jonnyb	hi fabricius	[15:44]
fabricius	arrgl ... managed stuff on their server, but now have to import locally and the table_files seems to be corrupted	[15:45]
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jonnyb	sounds grim IAMfabricius - best of luck!	[15:50]
IAMfabricius	maybe the shadow will disappear ... ah	[15:50]
fabricius	fabricius needs a fag jonnyb: yes ... I try to solve it and I learn much whilst I do ... but anyway, it eats time hour by hour and day by day jonnyb: how long it needs to open a 130M large file in a text editor ... there seems to be an error in line 84 aaaaaaaarhgghhh	[15:51]
	no point to open such a large file fabricius starts crying	[16:07]
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Jyhem_laptop	Hi fabricius. You just want to see line 83-85 ? head -n 85 file \| tail -n 3	[16:14]
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fabricius	Jyhem_laptop: in shell / nano? or just shell? maybe the original dump made with phpmyadmin was corrupt - I just dumped the table again with mysqldumper	[16:15]
Jyhem_laptop	just shell	[16:16]
fabricius	I try to import that first and see, if another error ok thx Jyhem_laptop	[16:16]
Jyhem_laptop	meaning, you can display without editing. Opening 13 Opening huge file sin editors can take time and RAM s/file sin/files in/	[16:18]
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jonnyb	fabricius: (and hi Jyhem_laptop) - i've found if you have a lot of binary in your database using "Use hexadecimal for BLOB" on export from phpmyadmin sometimes helps	[16:28]
fabricius	thx, I try straight away	[16:29]
	jonnyb: if I am right, I had "use hex..." ticked all the time	[16:39]
jonnyb	it's probably the default - if it's not working like that try unchecking it maybe?	[16:40]
fabricius	tried	[16:40]
	Jyhem_laptop: if I can view only them 3 lines in the shell, couldn't I edit only the three lines aswell? maybe with nano?	[16:45]
jonnyb	so fabricius - can you recap (sorry) - where are you stuck now? exporting, uploading or importing? can you share the file? (dropbox or something) - i'll try and have a look	[16:45]
refizul	about yesterday's wget download problem with filenames: http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/community-docs/downloading-via-cli/ wget --trust-server-names http://[...] does the job	[16:47]
fabricius	refizul: thx	[16:49]
refizul	that's what they told in #sourceforge	[16:49]
jonnyb	nice, thanks refizul - anywhere on doc.t.o this might fit as a troubleshooting tip? :)	[16:49]
fabricius	jonnyb: I try to import the table tiki_files, which contains over 360 files and there is an error message, that in line 84 there is a wrong number of ?columns? (or so) and import stos with line 83 haha I managed to open the file in nano! I love the shell every day more one day I will become a text-junky	[16:50]
jonnyb	you're welcome to it, fabricius - i generally download stuff and work on it locally, like in the 21st century! :)	[16:52]
fabricius	wooop that was a hbit jonnyb a hit anybody knows the shell editor nano? I need to show the line numbers	[16:52]
refizul	fabricius: a GUI is an important tool to manage all the xterms used for real work fabricius: try ALT + C no, CTRL+C	[16:53]
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fabricius	refizul: tried CTRL+C and helped, thx hi harm	[16:58]
refizul	fabricius: open the file with: nano -c filename	[16:58]
Harman	need help with custom css header in tiki... i wish to center the logo.. hello fab	[16:58]
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Harman	my methods of centering logo didnt work..	[16:59]
fabricius	hah refizul that's cool thx hmm after line 83 I have mainly stuff like this: �^@U^B�^A�^@^M^@^C@^G^OX^]J�нֽ{^MQ��;Ԍz�$�V�%�r�^@�U�^][ьƶ��Uݶ\��ݶM��Ķ0^QB��U�?[��䑚�f�Z7^Lȑ^U^Q^TKG^^K$ and I have 687928 lines ouch! seems that's why it brakes somehow I do not know, how the files are saved in the original database, which is set in charset latin1 it seems, that I cannot get it out maybe download 360 files manually?	[17:00]
jonnyb	that doesn't look like it's exported as hex, looks like raw binary to me	[17:04]
fabricius	yes the hole thing is weird I guess that happens, when you do not setup the app alright from scratch	[17:04]
jonnyb	best thing i would have thought would be to move the files to the filesystem in 6.x, then upgrade (but if you can't take a good backup it's a bit dangerous)	[17:05]
fabricius	right at the moment I am at the point, that I promised not to touch the original database once we fuck that, we ared done but generally I fully agree with you	[17:06]
refizul	fabricius: can you dump the database?	[17:09]
jonnyb	is this file one exported using mysqldump via ssh?	[17:09]
fabricius	jonnyb: no - I tried mysqldumper and phpmyadmin so far ... I cannot export via ssh, cause I have no ssh access	[17:10]
jonnyb	ok, the only ssh is on the new server, right?	[17:11]
fabricius	refizul: yes, I have several dumps, made with diferent settings (started from standart) aswell with phpmyadmin as with mysqldumper	[17:11]
jonnyb	have you tried adminer? http://www.adminer.org	[17:11]
fabricius	I have ssh on my server, but actually I work locally ... and on their server trying to get the table in the right format, respectively uncorrupted I tried adminer yesterday morning, but I did not get it running I could try again, if you recommend	[17:11]
jonnyb	no idea really, just another option you tried exporting the tiki_files table separately?	[17:13]
fabricius	yes ... I also exported the whole db ... but as the main problem seems to be the table	[17:15]
ricks99	argh... trying to include some php within a custom/user module. tried {php}....{/php} but no good. what's the secret?	[17:15]
jonnyb	ricks99: i think there's a pref to enable that somewhere	[17:16]
fabricius	is that a smarty ricks99 ? like {wiki} maybe you need {php}{literal} ... {/literal}[/php}?	[17:16]
ricks99	thx jonnyb. turning off smarty security did the trick!	[17:17]
lphuberdeau	if you need PHP, why not just create a module? security settings are not just annoyances...	[17:17]
ricks99	lphuberdeau: yeah, might look at that. was hoping to do everythign from within tiki	[17:19]
lphuberdeau	disabling smarty security is just removing one of those protections that prevent really bad escalations if something goes wrong with the site I can't think of a single place where this should be recommended	[17:20]
ricks99	y. there's alwasys a balance between securty and functionlity	[17:20]
lphuberdeau	creating a module really is just adding a template and a php file there are some cases where balance is quite easy to determine, this is one of them	[17:20]
ricks99	thanks!	[17:22]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: asking about the workspace enhancements you made ...	[17:22]
refizul	How is it possible to edit "Download" at info.t.o?	[17:22]
fabricius	refizul: need permission refizul: whatzup?	[17:22]
ricks99	refizul: what to change?	[17:23]
refizul	the wget stuff	[17:23]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: you made some stuff with data channels - which I not yet understood ... think it has s.th. to do with yaml? ;-)	[17:23]
refizul	doc.t.o download is a redirection to info	[17:24]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: on creating a workspace certain things are setup, like a group, a namespace, a wikipage	[17:24]
ricks99	refizul: try dev.tiki.org/download	[17:24]
Harman	anybody help me with custom header css!!!!	[17:26]
refizul	Get+code is svn stuff, isn't it?	[17:26]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: I want to do two things: I) setting up default values for the elements of the workspaces (like default group permissions, content templates etc. II) I want to add more stuff like a forum for each workspace, a file gallery for each workspace ... all with certain preset perms and prefs related to the specific workspace group	[17:26]
ricks99	refizul: what are you trying to do?	[17:27]
fabricius	refizul: yes	[17:27]
refizul	the wget info should be somewhere in doc	[17:27]
ricks99	Harman: it depends what your question is	[17:27]
refizul	the sf issue with /download at the end of hyperlinks	[17:28]
lphuberdeau	fabricius, the UI allows you to set-up the groups and the permissions	[17:28]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: how can I extend or interfere with the creation process? ok	[17:28]
Harman	i wish to center the logo image in a perpective so i am gonna add custom css header to that perpective	[17:28]
ricks99	refizul: believe it is in the Install guide on doc.tiki.org	[17:28]
refizul	ricks99: I'll check that	[17:29]
ricks99	Harman: when you add the module, can include css for align:center	[17:29]
Harman	let me try that	[17:29]
ricks99	see docs for details: doc.tiki.org/module	[17:30]
fabricius	Harman: maybe: perspective - category - theme-option - theme control -> theme-option for category or theme-option for perspective or Harman different logo-module for perspective or for category	[17:30]
ricks99	bbl	[17:31]
refizul	http://doc.tiki.org/Installation&structure=Tiki+Installation+Guide -- 2. Download and unzip - refers to info.t.o	[17:31]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: let's say, I want a specific type of file-gallery and a forum for each workgroup, how can I add this (extending the creation datachannel? is that the right path to go?)	[17:32]
lphuberdeau	you can also set-up wiki pages but yes, if you want more for the moment, you need to go in advanced mode, and there it's similar to a data channel, which is a specialized form of profile	[17:32]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: there is a consulting portal in my mind --- family-law cases --- each person/case get's a default workspace and different teams will get access there	[17:33]
lphuberdeau	but really, in my view, you don't really need additional file galleries - files are categorized and the category jail automagically filters those	[17:35]
fabricius	I am in an early stage and have not yet considered with the interested people, how to structure the files (definitely stored in directory btw)	[17:39]
lphuberdeau	you can have a tree structure for those documents, it just does not need to be per-project	[17:40]
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fabricius	a tree-structure without gallery?	[17:40]
lphuberdeau	file galleries as a tree for the types of document if you wish, but the project/case is a category	[17:41]
fabricius	or are you thinking about different galleries for different types? ah yes	[17:41]
lphuberdeau	switch to the case, and you view the files for that case in a common structure (of file galleries)	[17:42]
fabricius	this project mainly would deal with similar types (text a odt, pdf, maybe doc and maybe very rarely table or presentation)	[17:42]
lphuberdeau	it's not about the binary format of the files you could have court summaries, communications, or other things lawyers deal with	[17:42]
fabricius	the treestructure for this specific project would have to be on a per case basis ... this is how the guys are working up to now	[17:43]
lphuberdeau	it does not matter if it's a photo or a document	[17:43]
fabricius	but maybe another structure makes more sense --- so I am open to that	[17:44]
lphuberdeau	they do it the way they do it right now because a shared drive is the tool they have	[17:44]
fabricius	court summaries, communications etc. as type/gallery and that filtered by case/category might be really smart	[17:45]
Harman	Fabricius Ricks99: I added new logo module for mobile perpective and then added align:center but after that logo is still on left but now has plenty margin from top	[17:45]
fabricius	Harman: do you ever worked with inspect element?	[17:46]
Harman	ah nope!	[17:46]
fabricius	Harman: setup a themeoption (styles/themename/option/optionname.css) then apply this themeoption in the perspective -> thus you needed even not a different logomodule and then rightclick the logo in your browser and click on inspect element see what happens pleaswe try with Chrome and with Firefox	[17:46]
Harman	i have one question.. if i have like different module for different perpectives, would that in any way increase loading times?	[17:48]
fabricius	-w	[17:48]
Harman	ok let me try	[17:48]
fabricius	Harman: hmm I do not think so, but lphuberdeau would know best	[17:49]
Harman	Iphuberdeau: What do u think?	[17:50]
lphuberdeau	Harman: yes, it does	[17:50]
fabricius	^^	[17:50]
lphuberdeau	that's why deep category module filtering was added	[17:50]
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Harman	whoops! whats deep category module	[17:51]
lphuberdeau	so you can group your similar perspectives/jails and re-use those modules	[17:51]
fabricius	so lphuberdeau different modules for different categories will not increase loading times?	[17:51]
lphuberdeau	it's the total amount of modules that cause trouble	[17:52]
fabricius	lphuberdeau: you mean what you added in Barcelona - category tree?	[17:52]
lphuberdeau	if you have 100 workspaces with 3 modules each, that's 300 modules to search through every request	[17:52]
fabricius	for modules	[17:52]
lphuberdeau	if all those workspaces are actually very similar and they are bound to a parent category, that makes 3 modules 297 iterations saved I don't remember the exact name of it, but it's new options on all modules	[17:53]
fabricius	visibility in category tree I am pretty sure ... you added cause I came by bike :-D just kidding wouldn't it make sense to add "not in category tree" aswell?	[17:56]
lphuberdeau	already there	[17:57]
Harman	lol.. if tiki were not for free, i would have definitily spent money on it	[17:57]
fabricius	ah cool and "not in perspective"? I think that would be handy ... for ex if you need "not in mobile perspective" or so	[17:57]
lphuberdeau	you might need to bike to montreal to convince me of that one	[17:59]
fabricius	hehe ... maybe I'll do	[17:59]
Harman	yes definitely its pretty handy, who came up with that idea by the way/ ?	[18:04]
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lphuberdeau	what idea?	[18:07]
Harman	module having specific perpective visibility option.	[18:08]
lphuberdeau	http://dev.tiki.org/Workspace	[18:09]
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lphuberdeau	hmm.. new link to viewvc is good, but I miss the commit message	[18:11]
jonnyb	jonnyb agrees with lphuberdeau	[18:14]
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Jyhem	Jyhem agrees with lphuberdeau & jonnyb message was "correct typo" in fr/language.php	[18:15]
lphuberdeau	clicking on a link to realize it's just typo fixing is disappointing ;)	[18:16]
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Jyhem	I can imagine :)	[18:16]
fabricius	fabricius agrees with lphuberdeau, jonnyb & Jyhem	[18:23]
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jonnyb	lphuberdeau: what does category_jail_root do? something to do with workspace root i'm guessing (looking at the $considerCategoryFilter bit of getCategories())	[18:44]
lphuberdeau	category jail only affects under the root when defined so categories outside of Workspaces are not affected by the jail (they can be selected from objects when editing)	[18:53]
jonnyb	i found when i added some "outside" categs to category_jail_root in my perspective, those categs disappear (when in that persp) - so seems to work the other way around for me	[18:55]
lphuberdeau	well, I have a few workspaces created using the ui and I created categories outside the workspace root if I switch to a workspace's perspective and edit the home page of that workspace the categories tab has the workspace category selected, and the outside categories are available that's the expected behabbior	[19:01]
jonnyb	right, so i'm adding this "share_common" option to areas, so when share_common is off that bit should work the other way round for outside categs - i think	[19:03]
lphuberdeau	I didn't really follow on what that was all about	[19:05]
jonnyb	just yell if i break anything, i'll try not too :)	[19:07]
lphuberdeau	it's really not like I was testing everything constantly	[19:08]
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refizul	I'm digging deeper into things than I intended... about the mysql stuff: I assume the classical host:port doens't work with php/mysql. there are variables mysql.default_port and mysqli.default_port in php.ini if there is a value fixed, the situation is really bad, if a user can not change it if there is no value, the compiled-in value will be taken (or with more precedence the value in /etc/services) unless you use the variable $MYSQL_TCP_PORT I guess this is the reason why free choice of port isn't completely implemented in tiki On a default Debian mysqli.default_port is set to 3306 but mysql.default_port is empty This allows dirty hacks we can implement $MYSQL_TCP_PORT into the tiki code an help users to work around some problems, even if this looks a bit ugly and installation isn't straight forward	[20:00]
lphuberdeau	I don't understand what the problem is you can configure mysql to start on a specific port and you can configure tiki to connect to mysql on a specific port	[20:10]
refizul	this is the essence, maybe I'll write some more details on list the problem is: a user without server, just with webspace and a database access, cannot change the settings this was the case 15 hours ago the databse was running on a non default port he could not change mysql port nor php.ini	[20:10]
lphuberdeau	tiki's db/local.php?	[20:14]
refizul	well - what is the setting there for a non default mysql port?	[20:14]
lphuberdeau	tiki does not rely on default settings	[20:14]
refizul	it seems that host:port does not work	[20:14]
lphuberdeau	hmm actually there isn't I am really surprised about this try setting the host to 'localhost;port=3307'	[20:15]
refizul	maybe it does not work only for mysqli with the mysqli.default_port setting, so you cannot override. This needs to be checked.	[20:17]
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lphuberdeau	tiki doesn't use mysqli directly... it's either through PDO or AdoDB, both which use DNS strings	[20:19]
refizul	lphuberdeau: great - this is the syntax we were looking for. It seems to work. ah - stop. test did not confirm that	[20:24]
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refizul	hm - it seems to work. and more: it switches from mysqli to mysql	[20:32]
Mammy	The many Tooltips do not show up in FireFox 12 (and others), but do show up in MSIE. It looks like the icon-buttons's attributes are miscoded. It only works in MSIE because MSIE is non-compliant. Tiki Wiki is incredibly unsophisticated and unrefined. The first form field on pages does not have focus. Even beginning programmers ensure this! BYE !	[20:34]
lphuberdeau	now that was a detailed bug report	[20:39]
refizul	test 1: SQLSTATE[HY000] [2003] Can't connect to MySQL server on 'tikitest' (111)	[20:44]
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refizul	test 2: SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'tikitest01'@'tikitest.example.com' (using password: NO) lphuberdeau: the syntax seems to work	[20:50]
lphuberdeau	I know	[20:51]
refizul	but now another thing disturbs me - php.ini I set mysql.default_port to 3307 but this did not work	[20:52]
lphuberdeau	because it might not use the mysql extension if it is available, tiki will favor using PDO, which is independent of mysql or mysqli if PDO is not available, it will use AdoDB, which might just apply it's own default, overriding whatever is in php.ini	[20:53]
refizul	Is this documented in doc.t.o?	[20:55]
lphuberdeau	I don't know, I don't read much documentation myself	[20:57]
refizul	What's about writing? ;-)	[20:58]
lphuberdeau	well, you can write it now that you know I write enough documentation as it is	[20:58]
refizul	I'll summarize the mysql stuff	[20:58]
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refizul	A new hash is born... http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/winner_sha-3.html	[22:04]
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Jyhem	svn commit lang/fr/language.php -m "Correct and consistent translation of passcode (thanks Olaf)" (so lphuberdeau doesn't need to click)	[23:07]
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refizul	Is it possible to create account related wiki pages? I'd like to have something like a Post-It note to sort my stuff and organize my way through the wiki and project.	[23:37]
lphuberdeau	search for user pages	[23:39]
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refizul	oh - the community section. I didn't notice this at all until now. All I saw was info, doc and dev. That's what I was looking for, thx.	[23:54]

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