[00:17] fabricius refizul: are you already registered? I think not, if you do not know the community site [00:21] refizul fabricius: I'm registered, altered stuff in dev and doc, but I completely missed the community part. [00:22] refizul My approach to things is - let's say: different ;-) [00:22] fabricius that's absolutely ok [00:22] fabricius refizul: do you know, why humans heads are round? [00:23] refizul I guess yes - something with changing direction? [00:26] refizul another question arises... [00:26] refizul there is a little logo for external links at community.t.o (at least user pages) [00:27] refizul Is it possible to change this to another one for https hyperlinks? [00:28] refizul An optical distinction would be very helpful. [00:29] fabricius refizul: yes, that thinking can change the direction [00:30] fabricius hmmm I guess for that you need to extent some spots in some .tpl file(s) [00:30] fabricius or php files [00:30] fabricius or css? [00:31] fabricius never thought about that little piece .... you r looking carefully after usability, isn't it? [00:31] fabricius which I do like [00:32] refizul I'm used to notice little helpful stuff (and the missing of its presence) [00:40] fabricius we do need that in the community [00:40] fabricius actually we are heading on to refurbish the websites [00:40] fabricius website revamp we call it [00:41] fabricius maybe you want to join the team [00:55] refizul I think I'll not have much time for that. [00:57] refizul My next project is the encrypted email stuff. [01:21] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [01:26] refizul The account isn't permitted to edit at info.t.o, is it? I've got found a typo [01:44] fabricius oops refizul just concentrated on different work [01:45] fabricius you r right - info is not commonly permitted [01:45] fabricius which typo? [01:47] refizul German consultant site [01:48] refizul https://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Berater [01:48] refizul first paragraph/section: zuhelfen -> zu helfen [01:50] refizul and below there: Benutzern f�rdern -> Benutzern zu f�rdern [01:51] refizul zugestimmt. durch -> zugestimmt. Durch [01:51] fabricius I would have bet a 100 Euro, that you are German [01:51] fabricius hehe [01:52] refizul Kunden auch die Tiki -> Kunden auch, die Tiki [01:52] refizul Gemeinschaft sich weiter zu entwickeln. -> Gemeinschaft weiter zu entwickeln. [01:52] fabricius If you want, just send me an email with what you found and I just run through [01:52] refizul that's it (for the beginning) [01:52] fabricius -> torsten@tiki.org [01:53] fabricius ah that's all [01:53] fabricius ok [01:53] refizul probably there will be more in the future [01:53] fabricius you should add yourself to the GLUG [01:53] refizul GLUG? [01:54] fabricius and stuff like this you could for example send to the german mailing list - not very active, but specifically for such stuff [01:54] fabricius German Language User Group [01:54] refizul stuff like tiki.org typos to GLUG? [01:54] refizul ah - language [01:55] refizul L in LUG is always Linux for me ;-) [01:55] fabricius everybody from germanspeaking countries, minorities or people who like to keep their Germanahead [01:55] fabricius hehe [01:56] refizul I've never seen a WUG [01:56] fabricius tiki.org typos to the German Linux User Group .. yeah we are famous loool [01:56] fabricius hmm *thinking* [01:56] fabricius what the f* is W? [01:57] refizul A sloppy product from a company in Redmond/USA. [01:57] fabricius ahahahhaaaaha [01:58] refizul I guess those users do not look for social contact. [01:59] fabricius I do not know ... maybe not in context to the big W [02:00] refizul Maybe they are afraid to confess the usage in public. [02:00] fabricius most of the Wusers I know, stay, because everybody has and just in case they need help,they know they could ask somebody [02:00] fabricius yes I guess that's it [02:01] fabricius I did use it for long time and I know myself how hard it was for me to change [02:01] fabricius I never have been afraid of confessing, but I wanted to change for long time [02:02] fabricius anyway, I do not want to go backwards [02:02] fabricius 3and if I can make it easier for people around myself, I am glad to help ... even most people are reluctant [02:03] fabricius at least I need not waste hours and hours anymore to help 'em with the W, as everybody knows now T is on L [02:04] fabricius and if I haveto help one, I annoy him/her all the time "with Linux this would not be a problem ... with Linux that would work easily ..." [02:04] fabricius hehe [02:21] kstingel1 joined #tikiwiki [02:21] refizul this alias stuff at tiki.org is a bit of confusing [02:22] refizul itemXY is bugXY, isn't it? [02:23] kstingel joined #tikiwiki [02:25] refizul is it possible to enlarge the wiki editor, customized to a user's needs? [02:29] refizul Full Screen Edit - I can live with that [02:31] fabricius at the bottom right corner of the editor you can catch the editors window with the mouse and enlarge it to your needs [02:33] refizul ah - there. I searched below that, at the bottom right orange block's corner [02:33] fabricius yeah mini ... micro [02:35] refizul there is a little... bug? [02:35] Tamler joined #tikiwiki [02:35] fabricius .ui-resizable-handle [02:35] fabricius bug? [02:35] Tamler hello [02:35] fabricius where again? [02:35] fabricius hi Tamler [02:36] refizul if I increase the height, use full screen, then back to normal, the height is the old one, mut the space is reserved and the little corner is where it should be. But the editor window doesn't fit exactly. [02:37] Tamler The story continues... Has anyone tried installing tiki with a non default port? [02:37] refizul s/mut/but/ [02:37] refizul of what? MySQL? [02:37] Tamler oops, yes. [02:37] refizul I guess, we have got a solution [02:38] Tamler Do tell. [02:39] refizul Section 5 - https://doc.tiki.org/Installation [02:39] refizul is new [02:39] refizul not the section, but the additional info is new [02:39] refizul tell us, if this is a solution for your problem [02:40] Tamler ;port= [02:40] Tamler ok [02:40] Tamler i'll test right now [02:40] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [02:43] fabricius refizul: I think, once you saved itwill be all back in place [02:44] fabricius not sure if its a bug or simply not nice to an extent [02:46] fabricius I do not see what you described refizul [02:51] refizul increase height and width of editor, press full screen button of editor, press again to return, the width keeps as changed previously, but height returns to original setting [02:54] refizul this doen't happen at doc.t.o - but in the community section / UserPage [02:58] fabricius ah [02:59] refizul Tamler away - no feedback? [03:00] fabricius he did head off to test ... maybe needs some time [03:02] refizul well - if he doesn't come back, the new hint is correct :-) [03:07] Tamler joined #tikiwiki [03:08] goj_killedByISP joined #tikiwiki [03:09] Tamler You guys are the love children of Freddy Mercury and Robert Plant. Panty dropping and hard rockin awesome. Thank you for your help with the MySQL port/ install issue. [03:13] Tamler long and short, it worked. [03:16] refizul cool [03:17] refizul there are some internals with mysql one cannot circumvent by php.ini manipulation [03:18] sandroandrade joined #tikiwiki [03:18] refizul but in the end, it was a syntax question only [03:20] fabricius woohoo [03:25] refizul time to party! [03:28] Tamler Hah, now i am getting elbow deep in the configuration of the site. [03:30] refizul there are a lot of options to play with [03:31] Tamler um, that could be a big understatement... [03:32] refizul at least you get something for all the money... ;-) [03:32] refizul btw, money: has anyone heard the openoffice for money story? [03:32] Tamler hah, too true. [03:33] Tamler no? [03:33] refizul some years ago someone sold openoffice.org downloads at ebay [03:34] refizul he claimed "only ten more available..." and stuff like that [03:35] refizul a friend of mine was at ooo at that time and we had a very big laughing about this idea [03:36] refizul IIRC this was not allowed by the ebay guidelines [03:38] refizul Does there exist something like a complete tiki manual? [03:39] refizul Maybe a local html tree or a PDF? [03:40] Tamler that would be nice. I am bouncing back and forth between the site and the online docs. [04:02] refizul is it possible to center vertically? [04:03] refizul e.g. a table with a one line cell next to a two lines cell, can I center the one line cell vertically? [04:15] refizul The German tiki page links to a non existing page https://tiki.org/TeamCommunity [04:17] refizul German tiki page = de.tiki.org [04:26] luciash polom [04:29] luciash refizul: u can if you enclose the table in {DIV(class=foo)}...{DIV} and then put .foo td:first-child {vertical-align: middle !important} in your CSS [04:31] refizul ah - ok, thx luciash [04:31] refizul a security issue: themes.t.o switches to http immediately after login [04:32] luciash privacy issue [04:32] refizul yes [04:32] refizul profiles does this, too. maybe all of the sites? [04:37] luciash changed on themes. try again ? [04:43] refizul the themes site looks odd now - there is a huge login [04:46] refizul it keeps the https setting, but it is unusable without login [04:46] fabricius refizul: the de.tiki.org link "Tiki Gemeinde" links to the community website now [04:47] fabricius haha that is the mobile perspective [04:47] fabricius how that? [04:47] fabricius <- themes.t.o [04:47] fabricius luciash? whatzup? [04:47] refizul luciash changed the login behaviour [04:47] fabricius to mobile? [04:47] refizul to keep the https protocol [04:48] refizul as a side effect this happened [04:48] refizul fabricius: is the de.t.o not connected to the users database? [04:49] fabricius refizul: no it is not ... a historical thing, an issue we have to sort longterm [04:49] fabricius how to merge the user databases? how to merge the content? [04:50] fabricius first we have to revamp the connected websites [04:50] fabricius but a lot of work anyway [04:50] fabricius both things [04:52] refizul now theses is fine (layout and https keeping) [04:52] refizul now themes is fine (layout and https keeping) [04:53] fabricius cool [04:54] * fabricius making some pasta [04:54] refizul de.t.o has got a 5 letters minimum username? [04:54] luciash all i did was just feature_show_stay_in_ssl_mode : enabled [04:55] luciash pasta in 4:54am ? :-D [04:55] refizul luciash: yes, then a user can click this, that's good [04:55] refizul luciash: maybe he's from Austria? *g* [04:56] luciash afaik he is not :) [04:57] luciash de.t.o is local community site [04:57] luciash no intertiki there [04:58] refizul okay, I'll see about this another time [04:58] refizul dawn is coming up, time to go into my coffin [05:00] luciash :) [05:00] luciash cu [05:25] fabricius hehe [05:27] fabricius nope I am not from Austria hence I know some Austrians ... btw: not from Australia aswell *g* [05:43] luciash :) [06:11] fabricius still awaik luciash? [06:11] fabricius no sleep (aswell)? [06:25] Tiki|bot New Commit: jyhem committed r43272 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43272 [06:40] luciash fabricius: yup, working a bit longer [06:50] Jyhem hey, same here [06:51] Jyhem but I finish now! 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There is a orange box on http://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php which starts with the text "Tiki News Releases", and there are two URLs at the end. But it is not possible to click them directly. [17:28] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [17:34] refizul at suite.t.o the "Newest Blog Posts" (right side column) are dead links [17:38] refizul The messages there are either "You are not logged in. Go to Log in Page" or "Blog not found". I guess it is not intended to log in just for reading the blog, is it? [17:59] Jyhem polom [17:59] Jyhem ping changi [18:09] eromneg joined #tikiwiki [18:28] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [19:03] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [19:06] Tiki|bot New Commit: arildb committed r43274 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43274 [19:13] redflo joined #tikiwiki [19:14] marclaporte polom [19:14] marclaporte Hey everyone: Tiki 9.x is awesome!! [19:16] lphuberdeau good thing you realize that as the 10.x cycle is about to begin ;) [19:17] marclaporte refizul: I fixed the link to https://tiki.org/TeamCommunity Tks [19:20] refizul marclaporte: so fabricius can restore the old one on de.tiki.org [19:37] marclaporte it's a page alias so both will work [19:37] * marclaporte loves page aliases [19:42] refizul marclaporte: fabricius switched it to tiki.org main page - this is another page (alias Home) [20:00] arildb_ joined #tikiwiki [20:23] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [20:24] jonnyb polom.2 [20:26] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4303 - - First form field on pages does not have focus - http://dev.tiki.org/item4303 [20:31] kstingel when using versioning, is there a way to have the same text for all versions, and update images only? [20:32] kstingel ... without having multiple version selector sets show up on the page? [20:35] kstingel for example, if I have an ordered list with 7 items, 5 of which have reference images ... I have one set of version select links at the beginning of the list, then depending on the sected version, only the images shown would differ [20:41] jonnyb hi kstingel, can't see how - the version plugin (i guess you're talking about) doesn't know the difference - it just switches chunks of wiki markup about [20:45] kstingel could using {version(default)}ol items ... {if(sel4}{img src="v4"}{elseif(sel5)}{img src=v5}{/if}{version} possibly work? [20:45] kstingel pseudo example is somewhat truncated, but you get the gist [20:48] jonnyb there isn't really an {if} statement in wiki markup [20:48] kstingel aww ... why not? [20:49] jonnyb you might be able to do something like it in javascript (but i don't really understand what you're tying to achieve - just saving a bit of duplication?) [20:50] kstingel basically yes ... I can't see the point in having umpteen copies of the same data if the only difference is the images referenced in said data block [20:51] jonnyb you could write a custom smarty template - smarty has {if} :) [20:52] kstingel what should I name it? ... "smartyplugin_versions.tpl"? [20:53] kstingel or "smarty_wikiplugin_versions.tpl"? [20:56] jonnyb sorry, i really don't follow - you can call custom tpls what you want and maybe tie it into the page using the tracklist plugin but i haven't really thought it through... [20:57] kstingel just thinking that if I create a template to extend the version plugin, it makes sense to name the new template similarly to the plugin being extended [20:59] kstingel that way, other coders should know what it is for fairly easily, and could "tweak" it if bugs occur in later tiki versions :) [21:01] jonnyb oh right, you mean adding a new parameter to wikiplugin_version? i thought you were talking about patching your own tiki [21:02] kstingel I am, but ... if I patch it and it works, I share so others can benefit :) [21:03] kstingel I figure, if I find a "gap" that needs patching, someone else will have found the same gap ... they may have a better solution than the one I came up with [21:04] refizul database trouble at tiki.org? [21:05] kstingel my motives are purely selfish ... if someone has a better fix than mine, I can learn by replacing my fix with theirs :D [21:05] refizul Undefined index: smarty_security -- http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php [21:05] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [21:05] refizul Tiki is unable to connect to the database [21:06] kstingel hi marc [21:06] refizul *.t.o seems to have severe problems [21:07] kstingel could they be related to the version of Tiki that is running? [21:07] jonnyb refizul: agreed - changi, you about? :) [21:08] kstingel jonnyb: thanks for your assistance ... I'm off to retrain Smarty and Tiki to play nice with versions :) [21:08] jonnyb have fun! :) [21:09] jonnyb tiki.org seems ok [21:09] refizul fake ticker: the tiki code quality management team reduced bug reports by a rate of 100% in October 2012 [21:10] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:10] marclaporte refizul: good mail to tiki dev list. Let's address one by one :-) [21:10] refizul jonnyb: no, tiki.org shows a bunch of error tables [21:11] marclaporte Community server seems overloaded. changi: help! :-) [21:12] refizul jonnyb: ah - this one without redirect still works: http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php [21:12] refizul and this one is running, too: http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-index.php [21:13] jonnyb info.t.o seems to have it's error reporting up too high [21:14] refizul jonnyb: ack - it is not the best way to tell the bad guys what to do next [21:16] jonnyb refizul: there's nothing particularly sensitive in there, just looks messy [21:17] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:17] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [21:20] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [21:26] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [21:27] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:28] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:34] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:36] changi marclaporte: tiki_stats table is the problem [21:37] marclaporte crashed? [21:38] changi marclaporte: yep [21:38] marclaporte 1st time? [21:38] marclaporte which domain? [21:39] changi doc.tiki.org [21:39] changi marclaporte: yes 1st time [21:40] changi marclaporte: 241 Mo table [21:40] arildb_ joined #tikiwiki [21:40] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [21:40] jonnyb mmm - that's quite big! [21:40] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [21:40] jonnyb (and i was going to suggest we log more stuff there!) [21:41] changi jonnyb: lol [21:41] jonnyb i guess we need a "delete stats after x days" option [21:41] changi for the record, i'm late because someone try to break in my appartement [21:42] jonnyb nasty [21:42] marclaporte and they failed? (I hope) [21:42] marclaporte jonnyb: 240 megs shouldn't crash MySQL :-) [21:42] changi marclaporte: yes they failed, my firewall(door) is a big one [21:42] marclaporte hehe [21:42] changi release 9.2 ? [21:43] jonnyb i have one more little fix to add (just bounced back) [21:44] lphuberdeau joined #tikiwiki [21:44] marclaporte When site closed, site overloaded, site being upgraded via TRIM, "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" and similar should give error with HTTP 503 instead of HTTP 200 like now [21:45] changi marclaporte: it can be a problem if the hoster catch 503 errors [21:45] jonnyb committed ok, just running a merge to trunk... [21:48] Caarrie|away changi: you want to re-enable Tiki-KGB and i will kill the rss on Tiki|bot? [21:49] changi Caarrie|away: i will do that this WE, so for now you can let Tiki|bot speak : [21:49] Caarrie|away you can enable when you get a chance and when i catch it i will stop Tiki|bot [21:50] KStingel_Prime joined #tikiwiki [21:50] changi Caarrie|away: oki [21:51] changi anything left for 9.2 ? [21:51] changi can i start ? [21:51] jonnyb sorry, 1 mo tiny thing [21:52] Tiki|bot New Commit: jonnybradley committed r43276 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43276 [21:52] jonnyb actually it need more thought, so go for it [21:52] changi jonnyb: i can postpone it to tomorrow [21:52] changi no rush [21:53] jonnyb ok, just need to think about it a little bit (and test :) ) [21:54] jonnyb actually i can commit after, it's only a beta today right? [21:55] changi jonnyb: yes [21:55] jonnyb this is a minor formatting thing, can go in after [21:56] jonnyb sounds like you've probably had enough of today too, so don't want to prolong it for you :) [21:57] Tiki|bot New Commit: jonnybradley committed r43277 to the Tiki SVN, changing 5 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43277 [21:57] marclaporte tomorrow is good for me too [21:57] changi as it's for a beta, i will do it know [21:57] changi s/know/now [21:58] changi marclaporte: with your permission master :) [22:04] jonnyb just did that one little commit - hope it doesn't mess anything up for you changi [22:04] jonnyb (i'd tested it and hadn't seen any signs of release starting) [22:07] Tiki|bot New Commit: jonnybradley committed r43278 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43278 [22:08] arildb_ joined #tikiwiki [22:10] refizul I'm a bit confused again, this time about themes. doc.t.o tells about themes that themes.t.o is "for Tiki versions prior to 2.0" [22:11] jonnyb refizul: fairly certain it's more up to date than that! [22:12] jonnyb please update the doc page it (if you find out it is) [22:12] refizul it tells then: mods.tw.o "for Tiki 2.0 and newer" [22:13] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43280 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43280 [22:13] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43279 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43279 [22:13] refizul I'll do that when I understand what's going on. Right now I'm lost in a jungle. [22:14] changi ricks: 106 new commits [22:15] changi ricks: Copyrights updated: +1 contributor(s), +511 commit(s) [22:18] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43283 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43283 [22:18] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43282 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43282 [22:18] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43281 to the Tiki SVN, changing 49 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43281 [22:19] jonnyb changi: i'll do an announcement mail to the dev list (including these stats for ricks99) [22:19] refizul Somewhere in Tiki there is a "Profile repository". Is there something similar for themes? A "Themes repository" with an import function? [22:19] changi jonnyb: ok [22:20] jonnyb refizul: sadly not, we could do with something like that [22:23] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43284 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43284 [22:28] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43285 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43285 [22:30] refizul There is another thing about customized themes (and other customized stuff): is is possible to deploy external themes somewhere else in the file system subtree? Maybe in a new subfolder "customized/" or "local/"? [22:37] sandroandrade joined #tikiwiki [22:40] changi jonnyb: upload on sf in progress [22:40] jonnyb w00t! [22:43] changi jonnyb: done [22:44] jonnyb super, i'll go grab one - gzip for me! [22:44] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 made 1 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki [22:44] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 made 2 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki [22:44] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 made 1 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki [22:45] changi jonnyb: can you do the merge ? [22:45] jonnyb will do - thanks! :) [22:46] changi need to sleedp [22:46] changi see ya [22:46] jonnyb nn [22:49] Tiki|bot New Commit: changi67 committed r43286 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43286 [22:51] refizul A question about uploading files: where are they stored? In the database? [22:52] jonnyb in the database unless you set it to use the filesystem [22:55] refizul oh - this is optional. This is cute. And I can choose the folder. [23:12] marclaporte :-) [23:13] refizul Assuming an Tiki instance with several thousand uploaded files, which one would be more performant? Database or filesystem? I think dropping them all into one folder will decrease reading performance, won't it? [23:14] lphuberdeau filesystem ususally is a better choice [23:15] refizul filesystem makes backup strategies easier, too [23:16] lphuberdeau depends on how you see it [23:18] refizul I do not want several pieces of a database dump and I do not want one big file. Seperation of user uploads from the database is a good choice from that point of view. But I've got no idea about performance issues. [23:19] lphuberdeau in my experience, guessing about performance issues never works [23:19] refizul Maybe a binary tree below the chosen folder would be an idea for Tiki internal upload handling. [23:20] lphuberdeau I just like letting the filesystem deal with it until I have an indication it is an issue [23:21] lphuberdeau btrees are fancy structures to maintain [23:21] refizul I've seen Mediawiki uploads with a few thousand files in one folder, and there it is a performance problem for sure. [23:22] lphuberdeau ah, I've seen tiki installs with truly massive amounts of files, and it wasn't [23:23] lphuberdeau lots of bottlenecks were hit before filesystem was one [23:25] Tiki|bot New Commit: jonnybradley committed r43287 to the Tiki SVN, changing 55 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43287 [23:25] refizul okay, let's keep that as low level priority feature request in mind [23:26] refizul probably SSD prices fall faster than the problem becomes larger [23:26] lphuberdeau I don't think I ever got to low priority feature requests [23:28] refizul let me add ";-)" to my suggestion [23:30] Tiki|bot New Commit: marclaporte committed r43288 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43288 [23:30] marclaporte changi: I get a blank page when searching for some terms. http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log_search/tikiwiki?search=mysql&action=search&error=0 [23:32] marclaporte we have latest version? http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger [23:41] jonnyb nn all [23:43] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4304 - - Webmail enhancements - http://dev.tiki.org/item4304 [23:49] marclaporte refizul: do you agree with http://dev.tiki.org/item4304 ?