#tikiwiki 2012-10-04,Thu

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Who	What	When
fabricius	refizul: are you already registered? I think not, if you do not know the community site	[00:17]
refizul	fabricius: I'm registered, altered stuff in dev and doc, but I completely missed the community part. My approach to things is - let's say: different ;-)	[00:21]
fabricius	that's absolutely ok refizul: do you know, why humans heads are round?	[00:22]
refizul	I guess yes - something with changing direction? another question arises... there is a little logo for external links at community.t.o (at least user pages) Is it possible to change this to another one for https hyperlinks? An optical distinction would be very helpful.	[00:23]
fabricius	refizul: yes, that thinking can change the direction hmmm I guess for that you need to extent some spots in some .tpl file(s) or php files or css? never thought about that little piece .... you r looking carefully after usability, isn't it? which I do like	[00:29]
refizul	I'm used to notice little helpful stuff (and the missing of its presence)	[00:32]
fabricius	we do need that in the community actually we are heading on to refurbish the websites website revamp we call it maybe you want to join the team	[00:40]
refizul	I think I'll not have much time for that. My next project is the encrypted email stuff.	[00:55]
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refizul	The account isn't permitted to edit at info.t.o, is it? I've got found a typo	[01:26]
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fabricius	oops refizul just concentrated on different work you r right - info is not commonly permitted which typo?	[01:44]
refizul	German consultant site https://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Berater first paragraph/section: zuhelfen -> zu helfen and below there: Benutzern f�rdern -> Benutzern zu f�rdern zugestimmt. durch -> zugestimmt. Durch	[01:47]
fabricius	I would have bet a 100 Euro, that you are German hehe	[01:51]
refizul	Kunden auch die Tiki -> Kunden auch, die Tiki Gemeinschaft sich weiter zu entwickeln. -> Gemeinschaft weiter zu entwickeln.	[01:52]
fabricius	If you want, just send me an email with what you found and I just run through	[01:52]
refizul	that's it (for the beginning)	[01:52]
fabricius	-> torsten@tiki.org ah that's all ok	[01:52]
refizul	probably there will be more in the future	[01:53]
fabricius	you should add yourself to the GLUG	[01:53]
refizul	GLUG?	[01:53]
fabricius	and stuff like this you could for example send to the german mailing list - not very active, but specifically for such stuff German Language User Group	[01:54]
refizul	stuff like tiki.org typos to GLUG? ah - language L in LUG is always Linux for me ;-)	[01:54]
fabricius	everybody from germanspeaking countries, minorities or people who like to keep their Germanahead hehe	[01:55]
refizul	I've never seen a WUG	[01:56]
fabricius	tiki.org typos to the German Linux User Group .. yeah we are famous loool hmm thinking what the f* is W?	[01:56]
refizul	A sloppy product from a company in Redmond/USA.	[01:57]
fabricius	ahahahhaaaaha	[01:57]
refizul	I guess those users do not look for social contact.	[01:58]
fabricius	I do not know ... maybe not in context to the big W	[01:59]
refizul	Maybe they are afraid to confess the usage in public.	[02:00]
fabricius	most of the Wusers I know, stay, because everybody has and just in case they need help,they know they could ask somebody yes I guess that's it I did use it for long time and I know myself how hard it was for me to change I never have been afraid of confessing, but I wanted to change for long time anyway, I do not want to go backwards 3and if I can make it easier for people around myself, I am glad to help ... even most people are reluctant at least I need not waste hours and hours anymore to help 'em with the W, as everybody knows now T is on L and if I haveto help one, I annoy him/her all the time "with Linux this would not be a problem ... with Linux that would work easily ..." hehe	[02:00]
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refizul	this alias stuff at tiki.org is a bit of confusing itemXY is bugXY, isn't it?	[02:21]
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refizul	is it possible to enlarge the wiki editor, customized to a user's needs? Full Screen Edit - I can live with that	[02:25]
fabricius	at the bottom right corner of the editor you can catch the editors window with the mouse and enlarge it to your needs	[02:31]
refizul	ah - there. I searched below that, at the bottom right orange block's corner	[02:33]
fabricius	yeah mini ... micro	[02:33]
refizul	there is a little... bug?	[02:35]
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fabricius	.ui-resizable-handle bug?	[02:35]
Tamler	hello	[02:35]
fabricius	where again? hi Tamler	[02:35]
refizul	if I increase the height, use full screen, then back to normal, the height is the old one, mut the space is reserved and the little corner is where it should be. But the editor window doesn't fit exactly.	[02:36]
Tamler	The story continues... Has anyone tried installing tiki with a non default port?	[02:37]
refizul	s/mut/but/ of what? MySQL?	[02:37]
Tamler	oops, yes.	[02:37]
refizul	I guess, we have got a solution	[02:37]
Tamler	Do tell.	[02:38]
refizul	Section 5 - https://doc.tiki.org/Installation is new not the section, but the additional info is new tell us, if this is a solution for your problem	[02:39]
Tamler	;port= ok i'll test right now	[02:40]
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fabricius	refizul: I think, once you saved itwill be all back in place not sure if its a bug or simply not nice to an extent I do not see what you described refizul	[02:43]
refizul	increase height and width of editor, press full screen button of editor, press again to return, the width keeps as changed previously, but height returns to original setting this doen't happen at doc.t.o - but in the community section / UserPage	[02:51]
fabricius	ah	[02:58]
refizul	Tamler away - no feedback?	[02:59]
fabricius	he did head off to test ... maybe needs some time	[03:00]
refizul	well - if he doesn't come back, the new hint is correct :-)	[03:02]
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Tamler	You guys are the love children of Freddy Mercury and Robert Plant. Panty dropping and hard rockin awesome. Thank you for your help with the MySQL port/ install issue. long and short, it worked.	[03:09]
refizul	cool there are some internals with mysql one cannot circumvent by php.ini manipulation	[03:16]
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refizul	but in the end, it was a syntax question only	[03:18]
fabricius	woohoo	[03:20]
refizul	time to party!	[03:25]
Tamler	Hah, now i am getting elbow deep in the configuration of the site.	[03:28]
refizul	there are a lot of options to play with	[03:30]
Tamler	um, that could be a big understatement...	[03:31]
refizul	at least you get something for all the money... ;-) btw, money: has anyone heard the openoffice for money story?	[03:32]
Tamler	hah, too true. no?	[03:32]
refizul	some years ago someone sold openoffice.org downloads at ebay he claimed "only ten more available..." and stuff like that a friend of mine was at ooo at that time and we had a very big laughing about this idea IIRC this was not allowed by the ebay guidelines Does there exist something like a complete tiki manual? Maybe a local html tree or a PDF?	[03:33]
Tamler	that would be nice. I am bouncing back and forth between the site and the online docs.	[03:40]
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refizul	is it possible to center vertically? e.g. a table with a one line cell next to a two lines cell, can I center the one line cell vertically?	[04:02]
	The German tiki page links to a non existing page https://tiki.org/TeamCommunity German tiki page = de.tiki.org	[04:15]
luciash	polom refizul: u can if you enclose the table in {DIV(class=foo)}...{DIV} and then put .foo td:first-child {vertical-align: middle !important} in your CSS	[04:26]
refizul	ah - ok, thx luciash a security issue: themes.t.o switches to http immediately after login	[04:31]
luciash	privacy issue	[04:32]
refizul	yes profiles does this, too. maybe all of the sites?	[04:32]
luciash	changed on themes. try again ?	[04:37]
refizul	the themes site looks odd now - there is a huge login it keeps the https setting, but it is unusable without login	[04:43]
fabricius	refizul: the de.tiki.org link "Tiki Gemeinde" links to the community website now haha that is the mobile perspective how that? <- themes.t.o luciash? whatzup?	[04:46]
refizul	luciash changed the login behaviour	[04:47]
fabricius	to mobile?	[04:47]
refizul	to keep the https protocol as a side effect this happened fabricius: is the de.t.o not connected to the users database?	[04:47]
fabricius	refizul: no it is not ... a historical thing, an issue we have to sort longterm how to merge the user databases? how to merge the content? first we have to revamp the connected websites but a lot of work anyway both things	[04:49]
refizul	now theses is fine (layout and https keeping) now themes is fine (layout and https keeping)	[04:52]
fabricius	cool fabricius making some pasta	[04:53]
refizul	de.t.o has got a 5 letters minimum username?	[04:54]
luciash	all i did was just feature_show_stay_in_ssl_mode : enabled pasta in 4:54am ? :-D	[04:54]
refizul	luciash: yes, then a user can click this, that's good luciash: maybe he's from Austria? g	[04:55]
luciash	afaik he is not :) de.t.o is local community site no intertiki there	[04:56]
refizul	okay, I'll see about this another time dawn is coming up, time to go into my coffin	[04:58]
luciash	:) cu	[05:00]
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fabricius	hehe nope I am not from Austria hence I know some Austrians ... btw: not from Australia aswell g	[05:25]
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luciash	:)	[05:43]
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fabricius	still awaik luciash? no sleep (aswell)?	[06:11]
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luciash	fabricius: yup, working a bit longer	[06:40]
Jyhem	hey, same here but I finish now! promised trust me	[06:50]
luciash	:) i finish in 7 minutes also	[06:53]
Jyhem	of course :)	[06:56]
luciash	byebye :)	[07:03]
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	New Commit: ricks99 created the A Decade of Tiki! news entry - http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=64258	[16:26]
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refizul	Hello. There is a orange box on http://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php which starts with the text "Tiki News Releases", and there are two URLs at the end. But it is not possible to click them directly.	[16:53]
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refizul	at suite.t.o the "Newest Blog Posts" (right side column) are dead links The messages there are either "You are not logged in. Go to Log in Page" or "Blog not found". I guess it is not intended to log in just for reading the blog, is it?	[17:34]
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Jyhem	polom ping changi	[17:59]
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marclaporte	polom Hey everyone: Tiki 9.x is awesome!!	[19:14]
lphuberdeau	good thing you realize that as the 10.x cycle is about to begin ;)	[19:16]
marclaporte	refizul: I fixed the link to https://tiki.org/TeamCommunity Tks	[19:17]
refizul	marclaporte: so fabricius can restore the old one on de.tiki.org	[19:20]
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marclaporte	it's a page alias so both will work marclaporte loves page aliases	[19:37]
refizul	marclaporte: fabricius switched it to tiki.org main page - this is another page (alias Home)	[19:42]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4303 - - First form field on pages does not have focus - http://dev.tiki.org/item4303	[20:26]
kstingel	when using versioning, is there a way to have the same text for all versions, and update images only? ... without having multiple version selector sets show up on the page? for example, if I have an ordered list with 7 items, 5 of which have reference images ... I have one set of version select links at the beginning of the list, then depending on the sected version, only the images shown would differ	[20:31]
jonnyb	hi kstingel, can't see how - the version plugin (i guess you're talking about) doesn't know the difference - it just switches chunks of wiki markup about	[20:41]
kstingel	could using {version(default)}ol items ... {if(sel4}{img src="v4"}{elseif(sel5)}{img src=v5}{/if}{version} possibly work? pseudo example is somewhat truncated, but you get the gist	[20:45]
jonnyb	there isn't really an {if} statement in wiki markup	[20:48]
kstingel	aww ... why not?	[20:48]
jonnyb	you might be able to do something like it in javascript (but i don't really understand what you're tying to achieve - just saving a bit of duplication?)	[20:49]
kstingel	basically yes ... I can't see the point in having umpteen copies of the same data if the only difference is the images referenced in said data block	[20:50]
jonnyb	you could write a custom smarty template - smarty has {if} :)	[20:51]
kstingel	what should I name it? ... "smartyplugin_versions.tpl"? or "smarty_wikiplugin_versions.tpl"?	[20:52]
jonnyb	sorry, i really don't follow - you can call custom tpls what you want and maybe tie it into the page using the tracklist plugin but i haven't really thought it through...	[20:56]
kstingel	just thinking that if I create a template to extend the version plugin, it makes sense to name the new template similarly to the plugin being extended that way, other coders should know what it is for fairly easily, and could "tweak" it if bugs occur in later tiki versions :)	[20:57]
jonnyb	oh right, you mean adding a new parameter to wikiplugin_version? i thought you were talking about patching your own tiki	[21:01]
kstingel	I am, but ... if I patch it and it works, I share so others can benefit :) I figure, if I find a "gap" that needs patching, someone else will have found the same gap ... they may have a better solution than the one I came up with	[21:02]
refizul	database trouble at tiki.org?	[21:04]
kstingel	my motives are purely selfish ... if someone has a better fix than mine, I can learn by replacing my fix with theirs :D	[21:05]
refizul	Undefined index: smarty_security -- http://info.tiki.org/tiki-index.php	[21:05]
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refizul	Tiki is unable to connect to the database	[21:05]
kstingel	hi marc	[21:06]
refizul	*.t.o seems to have severe problems	[21:06]
kstingel	could they be related to the version of Tiki that is running?	[21:07]
jonnyb	refizul: agreed - changi, you about? :)	[21:07]
kstingel	jonnyb: thanks for your assistance ... I'm off to retrain Smarty and Tiki to play nice with versions :)	[21:08]
jonnyb	have fun! :) tiki.org seems ok	[21:08]
refizul	fake ticker: the tiki code quality management team reduced bug reports by a rate of 100% in October 2012	[21:09]
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marclaporte	refizul: good mail to tiki dev list. Let's address one by one :-)	[21:10]
refizul	jonnyb: no, tiki.org shows a bunch of error tables	[21:10]
marclaporte	Community server seems overloaded. changi: help! :-)	[21:11]
refizul	jonnyb: ah - this one without redirect still works: http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php and this one is running, too: http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-index.php	[21:12]
jonnyb	info.t.o seems to have it's error reporting up too high	[21:13]
refizul	jonnyb: ack - it is not the best way to tell the bad guys what to do next	[21:14]
jonnyb	refizul: there's nothing particularly sensitive in there, just looks messy	[21:16]
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changi	marclaporte: tiki_stats table is the problem	[21:36]
marclaporte	crashed?	[21:37]
changi	marclaporte: yep	[21:38]
marclaporte	1st time? which domain?	[21:38]
changi	doc.tiki.org marclaporte: yes 1st time marclaporte: 241 Mo table	[21:39]
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jonnyb	mmm - that's quite big!	[21:40]
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jonnyb	(and i was going to suggest we log more stuff there!)	[21:40]
changi	jonnyb: lol	[21:41]
jonnyb	i guess we need a "delete stats after x days" option	[21:41]
changi	for the record, i'm late because someone try to break in my appartement	[21:41]
jonnyb	nasty	[21:42]
marclaporte	and they failed? (I hope) jonnyb: 240 megs shouldn't crash MySQL :-)	[21:42]
changi	marclaporte: yes they failed, my firewall(door) is a big one	[21:42]
marclaporte	hehe	[21:42]
changi	release 9.2 ?	[21:42]
jonnyb	i have one more little fix to add (just bounced back)	[21:43]
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marclaporte	When site closed, site overloaded, site being upgraded via TRIM, "Tiki is unable to connect to the database" and similar should give error with HTTP 503 instead of HTTP 200 like now	[21:44]
changi	marclaporte: it can be a problem if the hoster catch 503 errors	[21:45]
jonnyb	committed ok, just running a merge to trunk...	[21:45]
Caarrie\|away	changi: you want to re-enable Tiki-KGB and i will kill the rss on Tiki\|bot?	[21:48]
changi	Caarrie\|away: i will do that this WE, so for now you can let Tiki\|bot speak :	[21:49]
Caarrie\|away	you can enable when you get a chance and when i catch it i will stop Tiki\|bot	[21:49]
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changi	Caarrie\|away: oki anything left for 9.2 ? can i start ?	[21:50]
jonnyb	sorry, 1 mo tiny thing	[21:51]
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jonnyb	actually it need more thought, so go for it	[21:52]
changi	jonnyb: i can postpone it to tomorrow no rush	[21:52]
jonnyb	ok, just need to think about it a little bit (and test :) ) actually i can commit after, it's only a beta today right?	[21:53]
changi	jonnyb: yes	[21:55]
jonnyb	this is a minor formatting thing, can go in after sounds like you've probably had enough of today too, so don't want to prolong it for you :)	[21:55]
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marclaporte	tomorrow is good for me too	[21:57]
changi	as it's for a beta, i will do it know s/know/now marclaporte: with your permission master :)	[21:57]
jonnyb	just did that one little commit - hope it doesn't mess anything up for you changi (i'd tested it and hadn't seen any signs of release starting)	[22:04]
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refizul	I'm a bit confused again, this time about themes. doc.t.o tells about themes that themes.t.o is "for Tiki versions prior to 2.0"	[22:10]
jonnyb	refizul: fairly certain it's more up to date than that! please update the doc page it (if you find out it is)	[22:11]
refizul	it tells then: mods.tw.o "for Tiki 2.0 and newer"	[22:12]
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refizul	I'll do that when I understand what's going on. Right now I'm lost in a jungle.	[22:13]
changi	ricks: 106 new commits ricks: Copyrights updated: +1 contributor(s), +511 commit(s)	[22:14]
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jonnyb	changi: i'll do an announcement mail to the dev list (including these stats for ricks99)	[22:19]
refizul	Somewhere in Tiki there is a "Profile repository". Is there something similar for themes? A "Themes repository" with an import function?	[22:19]
changi	jonnyb: ok	[22:19]
jonnyb	refizul: sadly not, we could do with something like that	[22:20]
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refizul	There is another thing about customized themes (and other customized stuff): is is possible to deploy external themes somewhere else in the file system subtree? Maybe in a new subfolder "customized/" or "local/"?	[22:30]
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changi	jonnyb: upload on sf in progress	[22:40]
jonnyb	w00t!	[22:40]
changi	jonnyb: done	[22:43]
jonnyb	super, i'll go grab one - gzip for me!	[22:44]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: changi67 made 1 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki New Commit: changi67 made 2 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki New Commit: changi67 made 1 file-release changes - http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki	[22:44]
changi	jonnyb: can you do the merge ?	[22:45]
jonnyb	will do - thanks! :)	[22:45]
changi	need to sleedp see ya	[22:46]
jonnyb	nn	[22:46]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: changi67 committed r43286 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43286	[22:49]
refizul	A question about uploading files: where are they stored? In the database?	[22:51]
jonnyb	in the database unless you set it to use the filesystem	[22:52]
refizul	oh - this is optional. This is cute. And I can choose the folder.	[22:55]
.... (idle for 17mn)
marclaporte	:-)	[23:12]
refizul	Assuming an Tiki instance with several thousand uploaded files, which one would be more performant? Database or filesystem? I think dropping them all into one folder will decrease reading performance, won't it?	[23:13]
lphuberdeau	filesystem ususally is a better choice	[23:14]
refizul	filesystem makes backup strategies easier, too	[23:15]
lphuberdeau	depends on how you see it	[23:16]
refizul	I do not want several pieces of a database dump and I do not want one big file. Seperation of user uploads from the database is a good choice from that point of view. But I've got no idea about performance issues.	[23:18]
lphuberdeau	in my experience, guessing about performance issues never works	[23:19]
refizul	Maybe a binary tree below the chosen folder would be an idea for Tiki internal upload handling.	[23:19]
lphuberdeau	I just like letting the filesystem deal with it until I have an indication it is an issue btrees are fancy structures to maintain	[23:20]
refizul	I've seen Mediawiki uploads with a few thousand files in one folder, and there it is a performance problem for sure.	[23:21]
lphuberdeau	ah, I've seen tiki installs with truly massive amounts of files, and it wasn't lots of bottlenecks were hit before filesystem was one	[23:22]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: jonnybradley committed r43287 to the Tiki SVN, changing 55 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43287	[23:25]
refizul	okay, let's keep that as low level priority feature request in mind probably SSD prices fall faster than the problem becomes larger	[23:25]
lphuberdeau	I don't think I ever got to low priority feature requests	[23:26]
refizul	let me add ";-)" to my suggestion	[23:28]
Tiki\|bot	New Commit: marclaporte committed r43288 to the Tiki SVN, changing 1 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&revision=43288	[23:30]
marclaporte	changi: I get a blank page when searching for some terms. http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log_search/tikiwiki?search=mysql&action=search&error=0 we have latest version? http://colas.nahaboo.net/Software/IrcLogger	[23:30]
jonnyb	nn all	[23:41]
Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4304 - - Webmail enhancements - http://dev.tiki.org/item4304	[23:43]
marclaporte	refizul: do you agree with http://dev.tiki.org/item4304 ?	[23:49]

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