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   fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: some hint to "storing files in the directory"
   <br> not in the folder /files in the tiki root
   <br> create one level higher
   <br> files
   refizul: I created local/ in tiki-root
   fabricius: files/archiv files/batchupload files/wiki etc
   <br> path then: ../files/archiv ../files/wiki ../files/batchupload etc.
   <br> in tikiroot is NOT recommended due to security and upgrade maintenance
   <br> thats why I always make a "container" for the tikiwebsites in the server account(s) and there a "container" for the sites and inside the tikiroots
   refizul: ? now I'm confused about the containers
   fabricius: tikiwebsites tikiwebsites/site1 tikiwebsite/site2 tikiwebsites/site1/files tikiwebsites/site1/tikiversion
   refizul: ah - ok
   fabricius: tikiwebsites would be the "container" folder for all the tikiwebsites
   refizul: but where to store uploads?
   fabricius: and site1 would be the container for the files and the tikiroot
   <br> uploads into the filegallery you mean?
   refizul: something like this, yes
   fabricius: or batchupload for the batchimport to tiki?
   <br> ah
   refizul: any upload not tiki intern
   fabricius: hmm all uploads would be "tikiintern" ... ah you mean kind of useruploads instead of webmasterupload for theme etc.
   refizul: yes, user generated content
   fabricius: userupload to tiki then (with tiki as frontend / file gallery)
   <br> let's prepare the file gallery first for a SVN checkout of the actual Trunk
   refizul: I want a clear distinction without mix up between the tiki tree and the external stuff
   fabricius: we take "site1" which has the domain example.com - I assume a linux webserver
   <br> yes just listen for a minute ;-)
   <br> new webhost
   <br> create /tikiwebsites (it is the first site to install of a few)
   <br> then the container for site1 = example.com
   <br> create /tikiwebsites/example.com
   <br> now the folder for the SVN checkout (we have ssh access)
   <br> /tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK
   <br> now the directory for the files
   <br> /tikiwebsites/example.com/files
   <br> there for the file gallery (I take the German noun "archiv")
   <br> /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/archiv
   <br> and if we need a higher number of files, than batchupload would be handy
   <br> /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
   <br> same for wiki, tracker, forum, podcasts
   <br> now we head on to the browser to get Tiki (this we made with shh, maybe directly with the Linux shell or the putty)
   <br> dev.tiki.org/get+code and copy the line of code for trunk
   <br> back to the shell and checkout into tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK
   <br> database credentials are written down somewhere, domain is applied to the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/SVN_100_TRUNK ... run the installer etc. login and lock the installer
   <br> now tiki-admin.php?page=filegallery
   <br> there look for the setting for the file storage
   <br> untick database and tick directory instead
   <br> now you have to type in the path: ../files/archiv
   <br> same for batchupload (maybe scroll down or a different tab) -&gt; ../files/batchupload
   <br> same for the other features
   <br> you should setup a ftp-user *specifically* for the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
   refizul: now I see - you do a complete separation of content data and tiki code
   fabricius: now you can do to things to upload your files to your tiki
   <br> yes complete separation
   <br> as recommended
   refizul: that's a very good method
   fabricius: sadly I have a customer right now, who did the exact opposit and I have to get the files out of a corrupted latin1 database
   <br> but that's a different story ;-)
   <br> method one:
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   fabricius: STOP - forgot to create at least one file gallery in our Tiki - we do that right now and ... now want to upload three files to our Tiki
   <br> method 1 we use
   <br> in tiki to the file gallery and click on "upload file"
   <br> see a common upload dialogue and choose file from disc - optional file name, category, whatsoever is offered
   <br> next step: at the end of the dialogue find a button like "choose another file" click, choose file, optional settings, "choose another file bla bla ... at the end click on "upload file(s)"
   <br> done
   <br> but what if you do not want to upload 3 but 30 files?
   <br> method 1 would waste a lot of time
   <br> so method 2:
   <br> ftp all 30 files in one move to the folder /tikiwebsites/example.com/files/batchupload
   <br> back to tiki
   <br> file gallery
   <br> click on "upload files from directory"
   <br> you are prvided with a list of the files you just ftped to the folder batchupload
   <br> a tickbox left besides each of the
   <br> can choose all or just a few of them, and choose dropdown to import in whatever existing filegallery
   <br> done
   <br> *)
   <br> oops
   <br> *please mind* that the subfolders of /files must have the appropriate rights set -&gt; CHMOD  755 or 777, I am not shure
   <br> guess you need 777, but that might depend on the webhoster
   <br> so you see why it is important not to store in the tikiroot, where the domain points to
   <br> any questions? I am finished
   refizul: one question:
   <br> Where is the button "upload files from directory"? Has it to be activated by the admin?
   fabricius: you need permission for that - Admins see it by default ... maybe it is called slghtly different, let me check ... and batchupload must be activeted in tiki-admin.php?page=figal (sorry I mentioned before =filegallery, but its =fgal)
   <br> ahh in my english trunk it's called "Directory Batch"
   <br> sorry
   Tiki|bot: New Commit:  marclaporte committed r43289 to the Tiki SVN, changing 2 files - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=rev&amp;revision=43289
   refizul: is this a new feature?
   fabricius: no
   <br> I am not sure, if I extended the documentation completely ... s.b. I explained this before did add a bit to the docpage ... actually this is one of the first thing I want to make a screencast from
   <br> I have been on setting up the new screen capture feature for this on my website I am setting up these days
   kstingel: can anyone help me with SVN filters?
   fabricius: so maybe this weekend there will be a complete docpage and a video, if everything works out well
   <br> hi kstingel what are SVN filters?
   refizul: It is all in http://doc.tiki.org/Batch+Upload but I do not see it.
   fabricius: ah I'll check
   kstingel: I want to prevent my SVN client from adding specific lang folders each time I add a tag revision
   <br> ... I only understand English, so to save bandwidth, I wasnt to omit the other languages
   <br> - wasnt + want
   fabricius: what you are changing for example kstingel?
   kstingel: I only know very basic SVN .... not changing anything, adding to my checked out tag/x.y folders ... it's been a while, and I'm missing a couple I should have
   <br> one rule I do know ... make sure you have the latest version, before changing files :)
   <br> I don't have latest version of anything ... is at least 5 months since I updated *oops*
   <br> and I don't know command line SVN ... I use TortioseSVN :)
   ricks99: hi karen. do you simply want to add the non-english language folders to your "ignore" list?
   <br> just right-click on them, and select SVN &gt; Ignore
   kstingel: <u>ricks99</u>:  do I need to do that for each tag subfolder, or can it be done globally? ... that is exactly what I was trying to do :)
   ricks99: from the gui, you have to do it for each tag. :(
   kstingel: good thing I've only checked out some of the tags then :D
   ricks99: but, iirc, you can edit the settigns/properities file and and have it globally
   kstingel: *adds "learn proper SVN" to study list*
   ricks99: lol
   <br> just wait until we move to git! ;-)
   kstingel: whaaaa?
   <br> now you're makin me nervous Rick
   ricks99: git-scm.com
   kstingel: *adds "git" to study list too*
   ricks99: a distributed scm system
   refizul: doc says: Enable "Directory Batch Uploading" using Tiki's Admin Panel (tiki-admin.php) for the "File Galleries" feature.
   <br> But there is no "Directory Batch Uploading"
   ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: are you filtering your admin options?
   kstingel: <u>ricks99</u>: I know what git is ... but I have no idea how to use it ... I've had enuf trouble wiv SVN
   ricks99: may need to enable advanced and experimental (iirc)
   refizul: <u>ricks99</u>: THX, it's in experimental
   ricks99: <u>kstingel</u>: been using git for other projects. powerful, but completely different paradigm
   kstingel: <u>refizul</u>: when you enable it, there will be a field for you to enter the folder to permit uploading from ... you need to create the folder
   ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: remember: you can always search for options.
   refizul: I got it. It's activated and available in the left menu.
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: at webmail, there is a port for IMAP but not for POP3? Why that?
   marclaporte: dunno
   <br> we use Zend Framework stuff behind it so if support by ZF, we should try to use
   fabricius: rehi - my pc was hanging - too much running the same time
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   fabricius: <u>marclaporte</u>: I tried the jcapture right this evening
   <br> I cannot play the video
   <br> are there any issues known?
   <br> and I couldn't change the capture size and not choose a specific file gallery
   marclaporte: <u>fabricius</u>:  works for me
   fabricius: that's good to hear
   marclaporte: did you try on demo.tiki.org ?
   fabricius: not yet ... will do in a minute
   <br> did you have to configure things in the client? the hammurabi thing I mean
   <br> eeek somebody seems to have applied the cartograf profile for demotrunk
   <br> eeeeek admin password changed on demo.t.o/trunk?
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   Jyhem: polom
   <br> admin password changed on demo.t.o/9x as well :-(
   fabricius: yes
   <br> 8x not yet
   <br> somebody makes jokes
   <br> maybe
   <br> I write Leu an E-mail to reset the pw
   <br> or maybe just reset the whole db
   Jyhem: I was about to reset it, but I don't find a rset admin password in the installer
   <br> I thought we had one
   <br> shall I reset databases on demo.t.o/trunk and demo.t.o/9x ?
   <br> Oh, Olaf asked me whether he could get permission to edit French in &lt;i18n.tiki.org&gt;
   <br> Who is familiar with i18n.tiki.org ?
   fabricius: half way I am ... did some translations a while ago
   <br> errr why olaf should get permission to translate french, whilst he already is admin on i18n, like we all
   <br> is there a special french admin group?
   <br> kidding
   <br> if he wanted, he could just translate
   Jyhem: Well, I know nothing about i18n.tiki.org. What do you want me to answer him?
   Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Tracker item status does not change when item is updated - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&amp;comments_parentId=45310
   fabricius: that if he ever have had translated German (Olaf Michael), then he can do French aswell
   Jyhem: Here it is: "NOTE, Jean-Marc that I tried to correct this for i18n.tiki.org but it seems I'm not authorized to make corrections in French."
   <br> That's all I know
   fabricius: hmm if he speaks French
   <br> maybe he should change the site language to French before he wants to translate it
   <br> it is the same procedure for every language
   <br> and there is only one Admin group existing - independant from language
   <br> it is simply an error 40
   <br> ahaha I know the problem!!!
   <br> I'll sort it out in a minute - brbr
   Jyhem: k
   fabricius: should be working, when he logs innext time
   Jyhem: what was it ?
   fabricius: oops no ... made a fault ;-)
   <br> another minute
   Jyhem: k
   fabricius: my error 40 now
   <br> dunno
   <br> you need to view the website in the languge you want to translate to -as you always translate from english
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   -: Jyhem waonders what an error 0 is
   <br> Jyhem waonders what an error 40 is
   fabricius: I guess, he did not manage to switch to french ... just did not think about that little detail
   <br> ah this
   <br> the error 40 is sitting just about 40 cm in front of the screen
   <br> I get this error frequently
   <br> maybe everybody of us at least from time to time
   Jyhem: ahhhh ! A caseof pebcak
   <br> problem exists between chair and keyboard
   fabricius: YES!
   <br> and you cannot get away with it
   <br> it just stays there until you stand up
   <br> most time I just forget to start looking in front of the computer first
   <br> So I just switched his preferred language to French ;-)
   <br> Olaf had it in English
   <br> but at the right side there is a module to switch languages aswell
   Jyhem: I just passed your explanations. I do not believe French counts as his "preferred language" :)
   fabricius: PICNIC is nice aswell
   refizul: I've just found a typo on security. Line: Subscribe to the Tiki project information on Freecode (previously known as Freshmeat) -- The Link there is http://freecode.com/projects/tikii but should be with a single-i at the end
   fabricius: But if he wants to translate French and does notmanage to switch to the right language this might do it well for the moment ;-)
   <br> greet him .. would like to meet him again some time - he is a very nice guy
   refizul: Softaculous tells "Space Required : 91.18 MB" - it's a bit more meanwhile, isn't it?
   fabricius: and ... http://i18n.tiki.org/my to switch back the preffered lang ;-)
   refizul: via http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -&gt; external
   fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: didn't find there
   refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: which one?
   fabricius: second one
   <br> via http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -&gt; external
   refizul: it's not on tiki.org: http://tiki.org/1-click+installers -&gt; http://tiki.org/Softaculous -&gt; http://www.softaculous.com/softwares/cms/Tiki_Wiki_CMS_Groupware
   fabricius: ah ok
   <br> the best bug reports: I found a bug ... guess where, I give you a hint ;-)
   <br> :-D
   refizul: I just noticed the bottom of the pages with the lists of links isn't available at community pages?
   fabricius: the freecode thing I didn't find either
   Jyhem: <u>fabricius</u>: I already sent the email, so I would prefer not to change his account properties without warning (or he will waste time figuring what he did wrong)
   refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: security.tiki.org
   fabricius: ah sorry
   <br> I just takehat you did mention yesterday in the IRC and today in the devlist once I have some time ...
   <br> take that
   refizul: special week: find ten bugs and get a tiki.org account for free
   marclaporte: refizul, lhuberdeau and Tamler :   http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&amp;revision=43288
   <br> fix 1 bug and and another account for free :-)
   refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: ah, nice
   <br> <u>fabricius</u>: should I add the security typo to the mailinglist?
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   fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: I thought you already did write him an email?
   refizul: I discovered the tikii one recently.
   <br> The bugs in the mail are other ones.
   fabricius: just was kidding - but it turns out, that security is not connected intertikiwise to the community sites - so maybe a good idea to add it to another mail
   <br> I mean no intertiki, no login for me ;-)
   <br> fast man
   refizul: What does "loc" mean in the headline of http://stats.tiki.org/Home?
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   refizul: tiki.org down again?
   <br> http://dev.tiki.org/ : Tiki is unable to connect to the database
   marclaporte: yes, me too
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: lines of code
   refizul: lines of code? I'm lost. What do you mean?
   <br> ah
   <br> sorry - I was confused
   marclaporte: stats.tiki.org gives some wonky stats.  Something is fishy. Maybe no set up properly or not suited to our situation.
   refizul: stats is down here
   marclaporte: https://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki is really good and accurate except for an issue to recognize committers for a few months in 2008
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: when the site comes back, I'll give you edit access to info.tiki.org
   refizul: Is this really a coincidence... I file websites' bugs and someone shuts 'em all down ;-)
   <br> Is it possible to include CSS via HTML-code in the community UserPage?
   <br> Some hours ago I got: Plugin execution pending approval
   marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>: what is your username on tiki.org ^
   refizul: <u>marclaporte</u>: fmg
   Jyhem: ciao guys
   -: Jyhem needs sleep
   marclaporte: gn Jyhem
   <br> <u>refizul</u>:  I approved the Plugin execution pending approval.  You have a stray [ on http://tiki.org/UserPagefmg
   fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: I have read some of your articles
   <br> interesting
   refizul: that's odd - I count as many [ as ]
   <br> the sites seem to be back
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   refizul: I removed the [ and ] around DIV, but still no success with the vertical centering
   <br> and again there is: Plugin execution pending approval
   <br> <u>fabricius</u>: which ones do you mean?
   <br> Is there something wrong with avatar upload?
   <br> it seems it uploads an avatar but then nothing happens
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: is the edit access active? I do not see an edit button yet. Maybe I'll correct the "Berater" page tomorrow then.
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   marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>:  not yet
   <br> I'll do now
   -: marclaporte was reviewing http://tiki.org/Teams
   marclaporte: I am quite pleased now with the split of concern / responsibility
   <br> So we have 18 teams, half are techie, half, not techie
   <br> <u>refizul</u>:  log out from info.tiki.org and relogin
   <br> You are now part of the "InfoTwoEditors" group. I just reviewed the permissions for that group. Please let me know if you are missing any
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   kstingel: SVN error in tag/6.0/lib ... URL https://source.jasig.org/cas-clients/phpcas/branches/1.1-stable/source at revision 26272 doesn't exist ... I'll retry after this checkout completes
   <br> failed on retry too
   <br> is not a major problem for me ... is only pulled down for reference, not actually being used as Tiki install
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   <br> who can help me?
   <br> thankful!!!
   <br> help me please?
   <br> hello every body
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   marclaporte: <u>refizul</u>: tikii link fixed. Thank you
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   arildb: <u>marclaporte</u>: Got your email reply. The number of new schemas is not that great. For Tiki 10, I think 2 new tables were defined. So, I am not sure if it's worth the effort to automate the process of checking this.
   marclaporte: oh, so only tables, not all schemas...
   arildb: only tables, yes
   marclaporte: right, but there are several checks
   <br> MyISAM
   <br> Which is sometimes forgotten
   arildb: that's true, but the amount is low, and it's not difficult/lot of work to do a manual check. .... I do a check every now and then
   marclaporte: ok
   <br> do you check http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Drop_Table as well?
   arildb: not yet..will do
   marclaporte: tks
   arildb: It's not a part of my regular checking, no
   marclaporte: also https://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Check__tiki.sql_suffixes
   <br> hehe :-)
   arildb: ok
   marclaporte: those are the scriptable ones
   <br> https://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Structure would be hard to automate
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   arildb: <u>marclaporte</u>: About dropping tables ... If this is automated, it should take into account customizations. We use InnoDB and have added foreignkeys several places. The consequence is that the table must be dropped in the "opposite" order as they were added. Otherwise the drop table will fail. An automation should not require the drop, before the create table
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   <br> polomolomolom
   ricks99: polom :)
   jonnyb: just fixing a (nother) bug in registration/validation and want to change the message displayed if a user waiting for admin validation tries to log in
   <br> hi ricks99 - thanks for the 10th birthday mails, shame no party! :(
   <br> anyway, it currently says "Account disabled" and i'm going to change it to  'Account requires administrator approval' - sound ok?
   <br> or should i do that in the en to en translation do you think?
   ricks99: sounds good to me
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   jonnyb: just thinking translators will be annoyed if i do this in 9.x now (bit naughty, after the beta)
   ricks99: think we need to do all/more in just en-to-en
   <br> makes it *much* easier for english-only folks (like me) to make quick tweaks
   -: ricks99 wishes that *all* text strings were externalized
   jonnyb: think i'll put it in trunk, maybe backport one day (after 9.2 release)
   ricks99: +1
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   amette: polom
   jonnyb: hi amette
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   amette: heya jonnyb :)
   <br> so beta is out, right? quite a bad place to make changes to the installer, isn't it?
   <br> I'd change the default error_reporting level, that's not so bad - I might do that.
   jonnyb: yes, beta happened last night - bug fixes only now until after 9.2 release please
   amette: But I don't know, if I want to go ahead and make the installer be verbose.
   <br> ok, thought so
   jonnyb: and anyway, from now on no more merges back to trunk - so commit to trunk first then backport
   amette: ah, ok, good to know, thanks
   jonnyb: suppose i should update a wiki page somewhere... :)
   amette: some wiki page is always waiting for an update :)
   Jyhem_laptop: polom
   amette: moloq
   Jyhem_laptop: <u>jonnyb</u>: let me look at what message was displayed if a user waiting for admin validation tries to log in before refactoring
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   Jyhem_laptop: <u>jonnyb</u>: yup, it was already "Account disabled" before :-(
   <br> 'Account requires administrator approval'  sounds so much better :)
   jonnyb: hi Jyhem_laptop - think i've fixed most of the issues you found in registration/validation - can you check sometime please?
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   <br> sorry, freeze :-(
   <br> checking, jonnyb
   jonnyb: thanks
   <br> have to pop out - bbl
   Jyhem_laptop: svn up. I notice everything changed in lang/
   <br> bbl
   -: ricks99 just downloaded tiki9.2b1... GREAT JOB ALL!!!!
   Jyhem_laptop: jonnyb rocks: it all works fine like it used to :-)
   ricks99: +100
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   <br> re
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   Jyhem_laptop: jonnyb rocks: it all works fine like it used to :-)
   <br> thanks
   jonnyb: thanks Jyhem_laptop - hopefully even better than i used to because various things didn't work - registration without a valid tracker item, invalidate email etc etc
   Jyhem_laptop: of course, jonnyb, I meant what worked before seems to work again, esp the user-visible feedbacks. I know you improved a lot underneath, esp security.
   jonnyb: :)
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   jonnyb: sorry about those 4 commits - ended up focussing more on backporting etc and not enough testing (hope it's ok now ;) )
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   Tiki|bot: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4305 - - Duration to remember log in  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4305
   Jyhem_laptop: Hmm, do we have ways of mass-approving plugins ?
   <br> or auto-approving plugins which are created with data channels ?
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   marclaporte: <u>Jyhem</u>: tiki-plugins.php
   Tiki|bot0: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4306 - - Meta: preview button for this "Bugs &amp; Wish list"  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4306
   refizul: hello :-) new day, new problems...
   <br> <u>marclaporte</u>: edit at info.t.o is possible, but something is odd. The preview button doesn't show me a preview, but a completely empty editor field. I canceled the edit before breaking things.
   Jyhem_laptop: thanks marclaporte
   ricks99: <u>refizul</u>: did u click the preview icon? working for me on info.t.o
   refizul: <u>ricks99</u>: yes, 1st edit, 2nd preview (below edit window, left button) -&gt; empty edit window (via https)
   ricks99: i'm in right now, editing. so issues i can see
   <br> do u have the preview area enabled (the magnifying icon at top of edit/preview area)?
   refizul: I enabled it, preview, it disappears and leaves me with an empty edit window.
   <br> ah - I see a possible cause
   <br> the preview button below the edit window has got a popup
   <br> the preview button above the edit and below the preview section seems to work
   <br> but the popup ist just an information what's going on...
   <br> I checked this for another page - there it works almost fine.
   <br> The problem occurs here: https://info.tiki.org/Berater
   ricks99: something specifc to that page?
   refizul: I don't know. I wanted to correct several typos.
   ricks99: hm.. when i edit that page, the preview is closed by default. i had to manually open it
   refizul: And the edit box? Does the text stay inside?
   ricks99: once i open it, preview works fine
   <br> y, just made a test edit
   refizul: the upper preview button or the lower one?
   ricks99: previewed and then saved. no issues
   refizul: the problem is the lower one.
   ricks99: um.. don't remember which button... let me try again
   <br> yup. second buttons dont work. because both buttons use the same id
   <br> elelment ids must be unique per page.
   refizul: ah - can you fix that?
   ricks99: fist let me switch back to english :0
   <br> quick fix, simiply disabled the second row of action buttons
   <br> need to test in 6.x proposals
   refizul: eh - ugly ;-)
   ricks99: ugly, but very low risk.
   refizul: found another need-to-fix on your userpage
   <br> the line: If you're new to Tiki, I encourage you to check out my online book -- the link after this is messed up
   -: ricks99 forgot he *had* a Tiki userpage
   refizul: something is wrong with irc.t.o and https
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   jonnyb: hi marclaporte
   Tiki|bot0: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4307 - - Drag &amp; drop images in the editor  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4307
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   jonnyb: taking a break - might be done for the day... (if so, bibi!)
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   refizul: Webmail is considered to be experimental (in tiki-admin.php?page=features)!?
   marclaporte: I would say so
   <br> But I haven't tried in a while
   <br> Did you test it?
   <br> <u>arildb</u>: did you try http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast
   arildb: no I haven't
   <br> I did look at it though
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   marclaporte: <u>arildb</u>: IMO, this addresses https://dev.tiki.org/item4307
   <br> I am not sure if it works in WYSIWYG though, but it works beautifully in wiki syntax
   arildb: screencasts addresses drag &amp; drop? I don't see the connection
   marclaporte: Read this: http://dev.tiki.org/Copy-Pasting+an+image
   <br> http://dev.tiki.org/ScreenCapture
   arildb: ok, now I see. I will try it out
   <br> thanks
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   <br> <u>arildb</u>: make sure you have java installed as it doesn't prompt you otherwise
   <br> lemme know if WYSIWYG works
   arildb: I have Java
   <br> <u>marclaporte1</u>: I am unable to find how to start jcapture...and the video on http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast says "Media not found"
   <br> How do I start jcapture?
   refizul: <u>marclaporte1</u>: I didn't test webmail yet. I need a complete testing environment with SMTP/POP/IMAP first.
   marclaporte1: <u>refizul</u>: when you do, you tell me if it's experimental or not, and we'll change category accordingly
   <br> <u>arildb</u>: http://profiles.tiki.org/Screencast
   <br> <u>arildb</u>:  you will then see it in the edit toolbar and admin toolbar
   arildb: ok
   marclaporte1: <u>arildb</u>:  here is the kicker: you can draw on images after you upload!!
   <br> And you can do short video with audio too. This will be a revolution for documentation and bug reports
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   marclaporte1: kwem : committer #515 :-)
   arildb: <u>marclaporte1</u>: Got the screen capture icon added to the toolbar. Works fine in wiki editor mode, but jcapture fails to start in the CkEditor.
   <br> tried in FF
   <br> same problem in Chrome. jcapture doesn't seem to work in WYSIWYG editor mode
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   arildb: no javascript nor PHP errors reported when I click "screen capture" in WYSIWYG
   marclaporte1: Jonny worked on this integration, and I am sure he would be pleased if you solved this :-)
   arildb: <u>marclaporte1</u>: You are right. This does ease the integration of images, but it's not regular drag and drop (as the users expect)
   <br> I am sure he would :-)
   marclaporte1: once it's in WYSIWYG, it would be draw &amp; drop
   <br> and with drawings!!!
   arildb: I don't have time to look at it now, but I will try to look at it after I consult with jonnyb
   <br> I still consider "Drag and drop of images in the editor" an open wish
   marclaporte1: ok
   <br> Can you show me an example of a FOSS project which has this?
   arildb: I am not sure if it exists. I don't know of any.
   marclaporte1: When I did my research, I ran into tech limitations of browsers
   <br> none of the WYSIWYG editors had this, and you would think that this would be their thing
   arildb: yes
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   refizul: about the experimental: we should give a hint somewhere to activate the checkboxes Basic + Advanced + Experimental in the Admin Home section. It's a bit of surprising that some common mentioned tools are missing in the Advanced section. I walked already two times into this trap.
   marclaporte1: <u>refizul</u>: I agree
   <br> <u>refizul</u>:  you can change them here: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#tags_array_
   <br> <u>refizul</u>:  I think it should be "There are some matches in the preferences tagged as experimental. Do you want to see them as well?"  (or something like this)
   <br> (When searching)
   <br> <u>arildb</u>:  doesn't work in all browsers, but here are some leads: http://www.wikimatrix.org/forum/p3173-2010-03-20
   arildb: ok
   marclaporte1: <u>refizul</u>:  we need to agree/define what those 4 things mean, and then deploy to all the prefs
   refizul: what does this mean? : Search engine results respect the pref filter.
   arildb: hm-m jcapture doesn't work at all using IE9. That means I am unable to properly debug....not nice
   refizul: Do I get results only from where I set my prefs to?
   <br> I suppose this is not the case and wouldn't be useful. So what does it mean?
   <br> hm - this does not refer to the intern search but external engines?
   marclaporte1: <u>refizul</u>:  I meant for internal search  on tiki-admin.php
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: Here a current tags: http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences#Tags:_what_they_mean
   refizul: How long did it take until you went through all this stuff? Each time I understand something, something else comes along and confuses me again :-)
   marclaporte1: <u>refizul</u>: I will am confused, after 10 years now
   <br> <u>refizul</u>: I still am confused, after 10 years now
   <br> But if I reflect on the early years, I would read all the documentation at each release
   <br> Within a year, it was like 350 pages already
   Jyhem_laptop: and he would also print it and carry it around :-)
   refizul: I'm at Creating+New+Preferences - and there is a typo - I want to correct it - and the find option in the edit box doesn't show it.
   <br> ok, done, but can you check whether the find option really works?
   <br> edit http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences and use the find option for: notice
   <br> and another hint: I noticed at some pages that the syntax "foo" doesn't produce italic text
   fabricius: <u>refizul</u>: should it?
   refizul: hm - was a missunderstanding, the '' at syntax page looked like "
   fabricius: eh?
   refizul: the wiki syntax doku for italic text
   fabricius: ah ... you r multitasking
   <br> you know the difference between " and '' ?
   <br> hehe
   <br> double quotes and two single quotes
   <br> italic needs two single quotes ... you should not mix up with doublequote, whilst it really looks pretty much the same
   refizul: I didn't mix that up - it's just wrong in the documentation. That's why I didn't get it.
   <br> I'll fix it.
   <br> no, it's not wrong - but it looks the same as "
   fabricius: ah ... hmm I learned that from the docs the other days, but if it is not mentioned right or it is missunderstandable, yes make it bette
   <br> there must be a written hint or so to make it clear
   <br> I am fighting with jcapture right now
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   refizul: I repeated the syntax in monospace - should be clear now: https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax+Text
   fabricius: yeah that's nice
   <br> further down it is mentioned in a short sentence aswell
   refizul: back to the other problem: find inside edit box
   <br> it seems as if the search string is found but the edit box doesn't switch its focus
   <br> this is somewhat unexpected. If one moves the curser, the focus changes to the right place, but without doing so it seems as if nothing happened.
   <br> this is a problem not only at tiki.org but in Tiki - the find function doesn't work in my installation