[00:00] refizul There wasn't a Tiki booth at FrOSCon this year, was it?
[00:02] marclaporte booth: not that I know of, but it would be good to be at all the major conferences
[00:03] refizul ah - wait, something comes to my mind
[00:04] refizul ouch - no openrheinruhr this november/year
[00:06] refizul but FrOSCon 2013 should be targeted
[00:08] fabricius marclaporte and refizul maybe it would make sense to setup a German conference group
[00:09] fabricius refizul: would you find time to research the FOSS conferences in and around Germany for 2013?
[00:10] refizul or organize a demonstration march for Tiki ;-)
[00:10] fabricius hehe
[00:10] fabricius loooool yes 1st of May!
[00:10] fabricius marclaporte: a famous day in Germany
[00:10] refizul the annual Tiki demonstration march
[00:11] fabricius hehe
[00:12] fabricius but honestly ... why not figure out to which cons to go ... and from one to the next it will become easier, as things are prepared anyway
[00:12] refizul overview FOSS conferences? I know a few, and one in Brussels
[00:13] fabricius Ok - two wikipages for now: 1) minor issues 2) overview cons in and around Germany
[00:13] refizul Berlin, Chemnitz, St. Augustin, Oberhausen
[00:13] fabricius please not here or in the dev list ... I setup a wikipage for you *g*
[00:14] refizul Berlin 2x at least *g*
[00:14] fabricius Berlinwould be a good time to visit my older son ... and to meet amette
[00:14] refizul this is just a memo for myself so I can check IRC log if I forget
[00:14] fabricius ah ok :-D
[00:20] refizul ouch - Berlin -1 Hamburg +1
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[00:41] refizul fabricius: hattest Du das ftp Zeug dokumentiert?
[00:41] refizul sry
[00:41] refizul fabricius: did you make a documentation about ftp upload?
[00:46] fabricius sry ... here for you (and all of us): http://tiki.org/TWR::minor+issues
[00:47] fabricius oops was ) : and not ): ... ;-)
[00:47] fabricius which ftp thingens you referr to?
[00:48] fabricius batchupload? from yesterday?
[00:48] refizul the lftp mirror syntax to upload tiki
[00:48] fabricius lftp?
[00:48] fabricius did I mention that?
[00:48] refizul Weren't that you a few days ago?
[00:49] fabricius err yes you explained me I guess or we discussed or so
[00:49] refizul I try a replay of this.
[00:50] fabricius yes indeed ... I did massive research for the one project and a few people here in the IRC - included you - discussed with me and wrecked their head how to help me sorting the issues
[00:50] fabricius lftp was to send files from one server to another
[00:50] refizul I'm on a clean webspace ftp only account.
[00:51] refizul Now I try "a best way" to install Tiki.
[00:51] fabricius you have ssh access to one server with lftp installed and via command line (might be local) and ssh access you send files from this server to another server, where you have ftp access, but no ssh access
[00:51] fabricius ah
[00:52] fabricius I am sure, I did nowhere write things down in detail related to lftp
[00:52] fabricius I check my notes, but my PC hanged at a time and I fear, I lost some fresh notes
[00:53] refizul ok - I'll do step by step and write the documentation down.
[00:53] fabricius but I have made up a link directory on the new website I am developing
[00:53] refizul did you use a php znzip script?
[00:53] refizul unzip
[00:53] refizul or did you upload the tiki tree?
[00:54] fabricius there I have put the links to the lftp, where i copied the lines of command line code (which I had to redo ... wil look for the notes
[00:54] fabricius upload a whole Tiki tree will need ages (hours)
[00:54] fabricius even via command line
[00:54] fabricius I tried
[00:54] fabricius I did not use a script with lftp
[00:55] fabricius just a line of code into the ssh command line which file to which server in what folder there
[00:55] fabricius not bad to have it as additional code
[00:56] fabricius you want to look into the directory?
[00:56] fabricius saves some googling ;-)
[00:56] refizul I think the mirror command should do it - and ETA is 500s
[01:00] fabricius it was not the mirror command
[01:00] fabricius I think I had to use push (or put?)
[01:00] refizul for each file a put?
[01:01] fabricius no! for a directory -R
[01:04] refizul with lftp? This option is not mentioned in my manual.
[01:04] fabricius lftp!
[01:07] fabricius http://wikiforyou.eu/tiki-directory_browse.php?parent=6
[01:08] fabricius pls do not mind, that the site is in an unfinished state - I just mock it up since a few days (besides other stuff)
[01:10] refizul ah - now I remember: you used "set ftp:ssl-allow no ; mirror -R"
[01:12] fabricius ah yes!
[01:12] fabricius but r u sure, that I used mirror and not put?
[01:12] refizul yes
[01:13] refizul you inserted the missing line, then mirror worked
[01:13] fabricius but I did need the ftp:ssl-nollow no!
[01:13] fabricius yes
[01:13] refizul exactly, without that it didn't work
[01:13] fabricius and I posted it here as it worked ... cause we discussed
[01:14] fabricius it must have been two days before
[01:14] refizul we need a wikipage with that doc
[01:15] refizul ah - the web bot modified the conf
[01:16] refizul now I can start
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[01:26] fabricius let me check
[01:26] fabricius refi
[01:27] fabricius refizul: it was 2nd of October
[01:27] fabricius 22:21:59 - fabricius: ahhhh refizul I GOT IT
[01:27] fabricius 22:22:43 - fabricius: http://webhostingneeds.com/Upload_all_files_and_sub_folders_using_lftp_in_command_line
[01:27] fabricius 22:23:18 - fabricius: 1.: ftp://user:XXXX@ftp.site.com
[01:27] fabricius 22:23:42 - fabricius: 2.: set ftp:ssl-allow no
[01:27] fabricius 22:24:11 - fabricius: 3.: mirror -R tiki-6.7
[01:27] fabricius 22:24:22 - fabricius: and it is running like it was SVN
[01:27] fabricius 22:24:25 - fabricius: wow
[01:27] fabricius 22:24:28 - fabricius: thus easy
[01:27] fabricius 22:25:08 - fabricius: anyway, without your help I maybe wouldn't got there today - thx refizul
[01:28] fabricius What did you mean: "01:14:19 - refizul: we need a wikipage with that doc"?
[01:29] fabricius err and maybe Ishould have posted the above [off]
[01:30] fabricius with what you can start? research? Wikipage?
[01:31] refizul both, and my ftp wiki install
[01:32] refizul we can put ftp to doc/installation
[01:41] fabricius r you sure that this makes sense in that way? maybe better in 'troubleshooting' or 'special hints' or so?
[01:42] fabricius hmm a category "German Cons" or so, or a (sub)calendar for it and a Wikipage as start for a booth/con-group
[01:42] refizul no - this belongs to installation
[01:43] fabricius lftp?
[01:43] refizul yes - lftp upload is part of install process
[01:43] refizul https://doc.tiki.org/Installation
[01:43] fabricius if you think. I would not hesitate to agree :-D
[01:48] fabricius what I mean, is that it is not only useful for installation
[01:48] fabricius but if you have time enough, you could kind of simulate svn with it - just needs ages
[01:49] fabricius hmmI have to read further - maybe it is possible to send .zip and unzip at the target with lftp?
[01:52] fabricius err mirror -> I guess you need username:password
[01:52] fabricius errr username : password
[01:52] fabricius err f***
[02:00] refizul you need an unzip script if you upload .zip
[02:02] fabricius hum
[02:05] refizul My ETA was a bit optimistic
[02:06] fabricius ETA?
[02:07] fabricius estimate time?
[02:13] fabricius refizul: you know, that any user can see your userpage (as you seem to use it as notepad)?
[02:14] fabricius refizul: did you notice, that we also have a personal notepad in the /my area?
[02:14] refizul ETA = estimated time of arrival
[02:15] refizul yes - the userpage is intentionally public
[02:15] refizul personal notepad?
[02:18] refizul ah - I remember the quota I've seen
[02:22] refizul Upload will take approximately 3-4h
[02:25] refizul for security: we can give a hint to edit the password before uploading via ftp - otherwise the installation could be taken over during upload/install
[02:27] refizul I need to dig into details to figure out the whole stuff.
[02:27] refizul Maybe a htaccess protection would be enough and doesn't disturb the install procedure.
[02:37] refizul the ftp ssl setting depends on the provider's server settings
[02:38] refizul actually I don't need it here, and lftp tells me something about TLS -- I need to ckeck this, usually I don't use ftp
[02:44] refizul you cannot recheck the data volume with "du -sh" - what?
[02:45] refizul One has to logout and login again - ftp = f... this protocol
[02:47] refizul fabricius: Which page do we take for the German con collection and that kind of info?
[03:06] fabricius sry refizul ... have been on my tagcloud - still not confident
[03:06] fabricius hmmm a page for con ger ... *thinking about a namespace*
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[03:10] fabricius maybe GLUG::Messetermine oder GLUG::Termine oder GLUG::Conventions oder GLUG::FOSS+Termine ... hmm was meinst Du refizul ?
[03:10] fabricius Namespaces kommen in Tiki10 und werden durch das Prefix mit :: getrennt vom eigentlichen Wikipagename
[03:12] fabricius oder das erstmal weglassen und FOSS+Termine+im+deutschen+Sprachraum
[03:12] fabricius das ist gut
[03:14] refizul somewhere where you think it's the right place // irgendwo, wo Du meinst, es passt
[03:16] fabricius it is a wiki - it will be everywhere on tiki.org
[03:16] fabricius :-D
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[03:19] refizul should be somewhere where it is expected to be. the tiki site isn't a website to find hidden eastereggs, but it should help users :-)
[03:23] fabricius we have to reorganise things anyway ... right at the moment I feel it being a mess at all
[03:23] fabricius thus your contribution is appreciated big time
[03:24] refizul I feel many things to be a mess, too. This is what wikis tend to be.
[03:25] refizul An idea could be, to set up a two level documentation.
[03:26] refizul things, which are documented here and there, can be merged to something like stable.doc.t.o
[03:27] refizul I mean - there are branches in code - why not in documentation?
[03:28] fabricius I think, it is mainly easier to maintain one single structure of pages and some specific extras ... everybody knows, where to add and where to look after
[03:29] fabricius I think the problem is a different one
[03:29] fabricius at the first place I mean
[03:29] fabricius design, layout, structure
[03:30] fabricius 1 column landing pages, 2 column guides, perspectives with certain sets of info-modules
[03:30] fabricius instead of all on one pile
[03:33] refizul there is another point: structures follow content, so at the early beginning it is difficult to say, how the best structure could look like
[03:33] refizul at some time eventually someone has to clean up the mess :-)
[03:35] fabricius right, but all has to do with capacity aswell ... Rick started a doc-revamp a while ago
[03:36] fabricius now we end up to urgently need a website revamp and still we got not at all the time to finish the doc-revamp ... whilst Rick does a whole lot of work on it
[03:37] fabricius I think the first impression on the sites MUST be much better
[03:38] refizul I suppose the doc revamp will become easier with a solid underlying site structure
[03:38] fabricius and new users and decition makers must find things easier ... we have a tool to manage content and knowledge
[03:38] refizul this whole http/https jumping has to end - that's annoying
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[03:40] refizul even with fixed cookies - because no one coming from https will be able to edit http then anymore
[03:44] refizul for the beginning we can collect dates in TikiFest, can't we?
[03:55] refizul idea: classes for i18n to use a natinal flag as external icon
[03:57] fabricius no TikiFest is only for TikiFest
[03:58] refizul but then someone can see where maybe to organize a TikiFest
[03:58] fabricius idea antional flag: why not
[03:58] fabricius hmmm
[03:59] fabricius maybe
[04:01] fabricius I'd like to get more consistency at all ... we could anyway include the page or parts of it
[04:01] refizul have a look: https://tiki.org/TikiFest#Germany
[04:02] fabricius I nedd s.th. to eat
[04:02] fabricius I have seen that
[04:02] refizul yes, I need a liquid bred, too *eg*
[04:02] fabricius in General I'd like this whole lot more structured and more spot on
[04:03] fabricius nobody not dedicated to the community would find and understand anything
[04:04] refizul I agree - I still get confused when I search certain things
[04:04] fabricius ah I have a liquid chek bred
[04:05] fabricius I have an idea, how to not mix even more, but let you go ahead (I do not want to stop anybody due to discussion or wishing it better)
[04:05] fabricius as said, you are bringing in good type of pressure
[04:05] fabricius fresh wind, open doors
[04:06] fabricius you understand
[04:06] fabricius brb
[04:09] fabricius so now I have to get some fresh air into my lungs
[04:09] fabricius brb
[04:23] refizul the CCC has got a third level domain events - maybe we can copy that
[04:23] refizul http://events.ccc.de/
[04:26] refizul Plugin execution pending approval
[04:29] refizul oh - I can approve it myself
[04:37] refizul ole ole - upload is done
[04:58] refizul cu - my coffin is waiting, dawn is approaching
[05:07] fabricius oki bye
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[06:41] kstingel need some 'high level' help with hacking the doc/devtools/prefreport.php file :-)
[08:34] kstingel managed to hack the file ... but still seeing some import errors when viewing in Excel
[08:35] kstingel now I just need help with commiting it to trunk ... has been so long since I've done a commit, I've forgotten how
[08:44] kstingel|hacking need to reboot Windon't PC .... any replies to my query ^ can be made to KStingel_Prime acct :-)
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[12:09] changi i'm just testing the kgb implementation
[12:09] changi sorry for all the log
[12:11] fabricius np
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[12:20] changi kgb should be working now,
[12:20] changi let me know if there is any issue
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[13:04] luciash polmo
[13:04] luciash polom, even
[13:04] luciash what does the KGB abbreviation stand for ?
[13:10] luciash maybe Tiki-Spy would be less controversial name for the bot ;-)
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[13:23] Caarrie|sleeping luciash: http://www.donarmstrong.com/posts/switching_to_kgb/
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[13:41] changi s/has/as
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[14:21] luciash Caarrie|away: thx
[14:21] luciash changi: yes
[14:24] luciash it would be nice to have some backronym at least
[14:25] luciash CIA could be Commit Information Autobot or something but what about KGB ? ;-)
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[17:08] refizul I need a helping hand: how do I write an internal link with an anchor? ((foo#bar)) seems not to work.
[17:18] Elmath ((foo|#bar))
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[17:29] Elmath http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wiki-Syntax%20Links&redirectpage=Wiki%20Links#Wiki_Pages
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[17:41] refizul thx - I didn't know the double pipe syntax
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[18:23] refizul I observe an issue with advanced/experimental: in a new installation's "Admin Home" there are 19 boxes with logos within setting "Basic".
[18:25] refizul Now by activating checkbox "Advanced" a lot more appear, but without "Advanced" and activating "Experimental" no new box appears.
[18:27] refizul By activating "Advanced" one of the new boxes is Webmail. This is not what I expected since this feature is supposed to be experimental.
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[21:00] Tiki-KGB changi: My master told me to not respond.
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[23:51] kstingel is anyone about that can assist with PHP permission errors on Windows?
[23:53] refizul fabricius: what's about the unfriendly hosting provider? Seems to be a bit outdated (2006): http://de.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiFreundlicheHosts#Tiki_unfreundliche_Hosts
[23:54] refizul fabricius: compare with this one: http://tiki.org/Tiki%20friendly%20hosts#and1_1_REAL_AMP_1_
[23:54] fabricius hi refizul sorry, stuck in work and have to be in the shop tomorrow morning - no time for the next three days
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[23:57] deeku tw9.1: when setting up a user registration tracker, I get the error 'Following mandatory fields are missing     Employee Name" as soon as I hit Register.