#tikiwiki 2012-10-09,Tue

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fabricius	refizul: with the logos/images in columns ... if you do not find a good and simpke way, just knock again after Wednesday eveneing - I might hasve an idea .... generally there are simple ways to show specific or random images incling links and additionally there is the banner feature ... tell us what you want to achieve and we tell ya what features the one or the other considers	[00:28]
refizul	fabricius: I want a list of logos as in datenschutzraum.de right column	[00:30]
fabricius	refizul: easy	[00:31]
refizul	when I create a custom logo, may I copy some .tpl stuff into the editor at Admin->Modules->Custom Modules	[00:32]
fabricius	refizul: do NOT use image galleries - there is an module for images from the file gallery	[00:32]
refizul	I tried with just one image, but there is still a box around.	[00:32]
fabricius	do not use LOGO -> that are NOT sitelogos	[00:32]
refizul	yes, I noticed that logo module was misleading has the .tpl code (starting with "{tikimodule") to be wiki parsed?	[00:33]
fabricius	BANNER was possible, but much overdone for this task, as you might noit need to show the banners in different zones at different times (show here at XX.XX from XX to XX arrg no need for .tpl at this point refizul	[00:36]
refizul	now I've got nested boxes around the image. Not what I wanted, but funny	[00:40]
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fabricius	hi lukasjan	[00:41]
refizul	I feel really strange. It's like owning an aircraft carrier (Tiki) and the only tool I know to use is a paddle.	[00:42]
lukasjan	hallo	[00:44]
refizul	hello lukasjan	[00:45]
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fabricius	test	[00:48]
refizul	test ack - missiles launched	[00:48]
fabricius	refizul I just explain lukasjan the IRC basics	[00:50]
refizul	;-)	[00:50]
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fabricius	.	[01:26]
refizul	if I put the images into some subdir directly, I can show them via module, but only with a box around.	[01:30]
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refizul	now I 've got a PNG in a banner and the banner in a module, but it shows the PNG source instead of the image	[01:53]
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refizul	banner with image works somehow, but still module box around it	[02:02]
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fabricius	refizul no box around: moduleparameter nobox=y	[03:23]
refizul	does nobox have more than one meaning? Is it a difference to tell it as a parameter or inside the editor box?	[03:32]
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refizul	I detected a funny effect here within theme Arcturus which has been puzzling me for a few hours	[03:33]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: unable to log in as admin after successful install - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=45345	[03:44]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03kwem r43332 10branches/9.x/ 10templates/tiki-admin_newsletter_subscriptions.tpl 10lang/de/language.php tikiwiki [FIX] Missing translation in admin newsletters, subscription. Typo in german translation	[11:12]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03kwem r43333 10trunk/ 10templates/tiki-admin_newsletter_subscriptions.tpl 10lang/de/language.php tikiwiki [FIX] Missing translation in admin newsletters, subscription. Typo in german translation	[11:26]
ravi	joined #tikiwiki hi i want to know how to use timer in tikiwiki page? r u there?	[11:28]
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ravi	hi	[11:30]
kstingel	hi all	[11:30]
ravi	how to use timer in tikiwiki page?	[11:30]
kstingel	haven't used it yet ravi, so I'm sorry, I can't advise	[11:31]
ravi	ok in new version is that provide?	[11:31]
kstingel	who's responsible for themes?	[11:32]
ravi	ok	[11:32]
kstingel	I'll check ... one minute	[11:32]
ravi	ok hi hi Tiki \| bot hi alll hi	[11:32]
kstingel	ravi: I couldn't (easily) find a reference for it ... but I think Rick is using it on his site; he's not here at present though	[11:38]
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ravi	ok thanks kstingel	[11:40]
Pulkit	Hi mose	[11:40]
ravi	is that any way to create template without admin rights?	[11:41]
Pulkit	I need a solution for a problem in tiki	[11:41]
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Pulkit	Hi wu-lee_ need support	[11:43]
Himanshu	how to make new template in tikiwiki page for make profile page? hi	[11:43]
Pulkit	Hi amette Hi Carrie\|away Hi rinnaN Tiki-KGB	[11:44]
Tiki-KGB	Pulkit: My master told me to not respond.	[11:48]
Pulkit	I want answer not response Jyhem_ Hi toe_ jst need support fidel_ goj	[11:49]
ravi	anyone who have deeper knowlege of tikiwiki??	[11:53]
fidel_	?	[11:53]
Pulkit	panamaus	[11:53]
fidel_	Pulkit: dont you think highlightning all users is somehow ....well - not the way to go ;)	[11:54]
Pulkit	How to use timer in tiki page	[11:54]
fidel_	others may call it spamming	[11:54]
fabricius	hi Pulkit it seems, that everybody is busy or not at keyboard	[11:54]
Pulkit	ya	[11:55]
fabricius	me aswell, sorry if nobody has time, you either can ask in the forum or ask here later again ravi: there are plenty	[11:55]
Pulkit	Thnks fabricius	[11:56]
fabricius	Pulkit: are you registered at tiki.org already?	[11:57]
Pulkit	yes	[11:57]
fabricius	documentation: http://doc.t.o forum: tiki.org/forum http://tiki.org/forum	[11:58]
ravi	we made profile page like facebook profile page functionality wise ...is that possible in tiki?? means create template where user fill that information and after that show that information?	[11:58]
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fabricius	the better you draft your question, the more the chance to get a quick helpful response ravi: I regret not to have time to look into that now ... if you would write into the forum, here in the IRC we get a notice about a nwe forum threat ... and we see new forum posts on the tiki.org website in a module there you could describe your project and question in a few more sentences ... I might get a chance to look at this tomorrow, or maybe today somebody else will see it and has an idea	[12:00]
ravi	fabricius : thanks	[12:03]
fabricius	np	[12:03]
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ravi	hi kstingel	[12:08]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43334 03trunk/installer/schema/20121009_module_search_box_to_search_tiki.sql tikiwiki [MOD] schema to replace search_box modules with search (search_box has been deprecated for several versions) tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43335 10trunk/modules/mod-func-search.php tikiwiki [FIX] search: Make search module legacy mode work like search_box (for some reason help was dependant on fulltext mysql search?)	[13:16]
jonnyb	hay woot - the commit messages are back! :) was that you Caarrie\|away?	[13:18]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43336 10trunk/ 04modules/mod-func-search_box.php 04templates/modules/mod-search_box.tpl tikiwiki [KIL] remove files for old search_box module	[13:20]
Caarrie\|away	no it is changi	[13:20]
jonnyb	coo - i like the pretty colours too - bravo changi!	[13:22]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43337 10trunk/ 10lib/search/searchlib-unified.php 10lib/smarty_tiki/block.filter.php tikiwiki [ENH] search: Add visits to search sort modes (involves indexing visit data but it's just one number per object)	[13:22]
Caarrie\|away	i dont like all the colors some are hard to read	[13:23]
jonnyb	is it according to filetype? looks like it (need to find a js file to change just to see the colour! :) )	[13:24]
Caarrie\|away	would have to ask changi	[13:24]
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ravi	i want to add questions and there four option in radio button below the question using tracker.............but the radio button not shown below the question......how to solve the issue	[14:49]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: how to use timer in tiki page? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=45349	[14:56]
jonnyb	hi ravi - not sure i understand - can explain more?	[14:59]
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ravi	i had uploaded test on tiki page and i want user should complete it within a given time thats why i wanted to use timer on my page	[15:02]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43338 10trunk/ 10css/admin.css 10templates/prefs/multicheckbox.tpl tikiwiki [FIX] prefs: Better (unsorted list) layout for multicheckbox prefs	[15:04]
jonnyb	so this is a tracker form of some sort?	[15:04]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43339 10trunk/ 10templates/filter.tpl 10lib/prefs/search.php tikiwiki [ENH] search: Change search_default_where pref to be a checkbox list (so you can set default search object types to say, "wiki page" or "articles")	[15:08]
RobertPlummer	polom all	[15:10]
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jonnyb	hi RobertPlummer, long time no poloms :)	[15:13]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Was out of town, and before that working on an on-site install. I'm back in the captain's chair now.	[15:13]
jonnyb	:D	[15:13]
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jonnyb	did you see Marc's email about how i broke the draw icons for the img plugin? i just wrapped the whole bit of code in an if as it was throwing errors about galleryId not being set...	[15:14]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I must have missed that one. What file?	[15:15]
jonnyb	wikiplugin_img http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/?rev=43172&view=rev galleryId isn't a real parameter for {img}, so i was guessing you were using it in some sort of undocumented way...	[15:16]
RobertPlummer	What line? nm	[15:21]
jonnyb	donw at the bottom of the file	[15:22]
RobertPlummer	fgalId is probably what I wanted	[15:23]
jonnyb	this needs fixing now in trunk and 9.x - i'll do the back/fore-port if you can work out what's needed nice to fix for 9.2 (which must be due soon)	[15:25]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43340 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Query.php tikiwiki [NEW] Added delete method to tracker query, it first queries, then deletes the items from the query	[15:26]
RobertPlummer	ok, sounds good, I will take care of it first thing.	[15:26]
jonnyb	thanks R	[15:26]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: It it isn't a real param, how come it is listed at the top? Did you do that?	[15:27]
jonnyb	oh? (don't think so)	[15:27]
RobertPlummer	In the revision you sent, it is not there. However, in trunk, it is.	[15:27]
jonnyb	what's not? gerreryId? galleryId i mean	[15:27]
RobertPlummer	yes	[15:28]
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RobertPlummer	trunk, line 328	[15:28]
jonnyb	seems to get set to '' but not set anywhere else and there is a param called fgalId, which presumably is for the galleryId, no?	[15:28]
RobertPlummer	I would assume so.	[15:30]
jonnyb	that one says: Numeric ID of a file gallery. Displays all images from that gallery i don't know what your one was supposed to do as it seems it was never set $dbinfo['galleryId'] is used earlier on in the file, maybe that's the one you need? (assuming dbinfo gets set)	[15:30]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Are you getting any funded work that has to do with spam blocking?	[15:39]
jonnyb	did have some, but have done most of it - mainly stopping spam registrations	[15:40]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I was thinking, it is getting increasingly hard to stop spam, on my site I get tons of it.	[15:40]
jonnyb	user trackers now work - just adding a "why do you want to register" mandatory question seems to put 99.9% of them off	[15:41]
RobertPlummer	Are there instructions? What about already existing users?	[15:42]
jonnyb	for user trackers? try doc.tiki.org/user+tracker maybe? not much progress on existing ones, expcept you can now sort the lists by "never logged in" etc	[15:42]
RobertPlummer	But they do log in, that is how they are bypassing things like captcha jonnyb: Anyway, I'm fixing it for the time being with the following command: Tracker_Query::tracker('Contact us') ->byName() ->filterFieldByValue('Your name', 'Their name which is always the same') ->limit(999999) ->delete(); :) Thing about automation, data repeats much of the time. They use the same name, so it makes it easy to detect and kill.	[15:43]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43341 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Query.php tikiwiki [ENH] Gave access to bulk mode	[16:02]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: fixed waiting for commit msg.....	[16:16]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43342 10trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php tikiwiki [FIX] draw icon needed galleryId from db, not from plugin	[16:18]
RobertPlummer	There we go.	[16:18]
jonnyb	thanks Robert - will bp to 9.x shortly	[16:19]
RobertPlummer	I get an error from imagecreatefromstring, let me see if I can sort it out. It is thrown because it will not work with svg.	[16:20]
	ok, got it sorted. committing	[16:25]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43343 10trunk/lib/images/gd.php tikiwiki [FIX] can't use imagecreatefromstring with svg, detect images that start with "<svg" and ensure they are not checked using said function	[16:26]
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	tikiwiki 03arildb r43346 10trunk/templates/tiki-page_bar.tpl tikiwiki [FIX] Auto display comments if "display by default" preference is set	[17:30]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43349 10trunk/lib/parser/parserlib.php tikiwiki [FIX] No linger store parser as it gets confused when executing modules and wiki pages, this keeps every instance private from the next parser tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43350 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/Wiki/Handler.php tikiwiki [FIX] In some rare cases, there will be leftover plugin entities, ensure that they are all restored back into output	[18:12]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Do you have any interesting projects on the horizon?	[18:15]
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luciash	polom	[18:31]
jonnyb	hi luciash	[18:35]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43351 10branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php tikiwiki [bp/r43342][FIX] draw icon needed galleryId from db, not from plugin (thanks RobertPlummer & marclaporte)	[18:40]
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marclaporte	RobertPlummer & jonnyb: thanks to the fixes to Tiki Draw!	[18:50]
RobertPlummer	We do what we can.	[18:50]
jonnyb	:) any LHF for 9.2? (have a bit of slightly spare time ;) )	[18:50]
RobertPlummer	LHF?	[18:55]
jonnyb	Low Hanging Fruit :)	[18:55]
RobertPlummer	I am running into an issue, on trunk though, not sure how to fix it. I will when I get an hour or two if someone doesn't beat me to it. In short, javascript is being turned off dynamically. 2 sites on the same server that use the same code are reacting differently, I think it is a session problem. And I can't see it not affecting 9. Although I have not tested it with 9. I realize the use case, for some testing, but honestly, tiki is javascript dependant at this point.	[18:56]
jonnyb	could be - i changed the cookie handling a bit in trunk a few weeks ago, for a new "cookie_consent" feature it involved fiddling with the js detect (which is extremely flakey already) but is fine on my tests (er, actually i haven't got many)	[18:58]
RobertPlummer	I don't understand how a session variable should turn that off. It should just be a feature, on, off. Easy.	[18:59]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03arildb r43352 10branches/9.x/templates/tiki-page_bar.tpl tikiwiki [bp/r43346][FIX] Auto display comments if "display by default" preference is set	[19:00]
RobertPlummer	Do you agree jonnyb?	[19:00]
jonnyb	session is involved in the tiki_cookiejar thing what should be a feature?	[19:01]
RobertPlummer	turning javascript on and off, which already exists. The problem is that there is an override, I can't figure out when I'd want to override an easily changeable feature.	[19:01]
jonnyb	$prefs['javascript_enabled'] you mean? it's not a real admin-changable pref, more like a detected global var	[19:03]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Right, but there is an override to it that works off the session.	[19:04]
jonnyb	oh? i thought it worked on whether the browser had js enabled or not, rather than the session	[19:05]
RobertPlummer	Possibly, but in my tests, it is failing. I'm trying to find it... lib/setup/javascript.php line 15 $js_cookie = getCookie('javascript_enabled'); line 20-21 // Update the pref with the cookie value $prefs['javascript_enabled'] = $js_cookie;	[19:05]
jonnyb	i'm a bit unsure about this commit: http://tinyurl.com/9qfamnc the whole $runs_before_js_detect thing is bad imho	[19:07]
RobertPlummer	Perhaps that is it, all I can say is that I have 2 sites running on the same server (trunk.myurl.com and trunk2.myurl.com) trunk. is fine, trunk2. fails. Crazy Why are we trying to turn off a feature that tiki is dependant on? Shouldn't we just put a banner up, "LOOK YOU NEED TO GET WITH THE TIMES! YOUR DEVICE IS ANCIENT AND DOESN'T SUPPORT TIKI "	[19:08]
jonnyb	if the client doesn't support js then tiki tries to be polite and allow some access they might be blind, for instance (and SHOUTING isn't nice ;) )	[19:09]
RobertPlummer	I'm not saying we shouldn't but if js doesn't work, isn't it a bit like static text than a program? The program should gracefully degrade without having to turn off sending the javascript to the client, which will be ignored anyway. The javascript should always be sent, no?	[19:10]
jonnyb	how do you mean "static text"? historically it hasn't always been	[19:11]
RobertPlummer	<script /> tags are treated like <comment /> They don't go and get the js files and run them as an application.	[19:11]
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RobertPlummer	I could be wrong, but that is what I thought happened when they don't support javascript, they don't run it.	[19:12]
jonnyb	in html 3 it wasn't so organised	[19:13]
RobertPlummer	I'm svn up'ing the sites so I can see what is going on.	[19:14]
	But we are now into html 5, right? I mean tiki is html 5.	[19:20]
jonnyb	almost entirely :)	[19:20]
RobertPlummer	So then could it be said that this feature is no longer required?	[19:21]
jonnyb	i'd like to find a better js detect method - i seem to remember jquery.com use a good (simple) one	[19:21]
RobertPlummer	Can't we just build a module that could be displayed if there was no javascript? Ie it is displayed by default, and javascript removes it. If it were a module, it'd be easy to display to end users.	[19:21]
jonnyb	ew, sounds messy	[19:22]
RobertPlummer	It is a module, it doesn't have to be turned on.	[19:22]
jonnyb	what would it have in it?	[19:22]
arildb	jonnyb: I recently tried out jcapture and it's really good for reporting from the screen (See: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=For+Arild). The process is a bit different, than I've been used to, but once "discovered" it's really fast and easy! Unfortunately it doesn't work in WYSIWYG	[19:23]
RobertPlummer	<script>document.write('<style>.no_javascript{display: none;}</style>');</script> <div class="no_javascript">Your browser doesn't support javascript, to get the most out of Tiki, try using a browser with it enabled.</div>	[19:23]
jonnyb	thanks arildb - marclaporte put most of it together	[19:23]
arildb	I did some debugging and it seems to come down to an empty "command string" being returned for CkEditor I still haven't figured out what the right command is....	[19:24]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Also, the new parser is reaching a point to which we can start to incoporate wysiwyg, I'd LOVE to get your help in it when you get some free time in the future. I really think you'll like working in the new parser. jonnyb: I even have a plan to keep using ckeditor using a reverse parser back to wiki syntax.	[19:25]
jonnyb	arildb: i'll take a look (it's on my list)	[19:25]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: The shell already exists, the handler and negotiator for ckeditor.	[19:25]
jonnyb	RobertPlummer: that's what it does at the moment	[19:26]
RobertPlummer	but that is a project for another day Does it parser on the DOM level?	[19:26]
jonnyb	yes, but not in a very pretty way	[19:27]
RobertPlummer	ie, if ($(this).hasClass('tiki-strike')) {return "--" + $(this).html() + "--}	[19:27]
jonnyb	in editlib.php no, it does it in php	[19:27]
arildb	jonnyb: the problem seems to come from function getWysiwygToken( $areaId ) in toolbarlib.php line1572. The call $this->getSyntax($areaId) returns an empty string	[19:27]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: The only way for it to work right (that I can see) is to do a full conversion from DOM to wiki wyntax. This can be done either on the client side or server side.	[19:28]
jonnyb	arildb: ah - probably because i forgot to fill it in! :)	[19:28]
arildb	$exec_js = str_replace('&', '&', $this->getSyntax($areaId)); // odd? $this->setupCKEditorTool($exec_js, $this->name, $this->label, $this->icon); I am not familiar with setupCKEditorTool	[19:28]
jonnyb	it's some shared js code to add the button etc in ckeditor	[19:29]
arildb	if you know what to fill in, I'm happy to test it for you	[19:29]
jonnyb	will do, thanks	[19:30]
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fabricius	polom	[19:45]
RobertPlummer	polom	[19:45]
fabricius	pls tell me, who had the idea of the floating editbuttons?	[19:46]
jonnyb	hi fabricius - floating?	[19:46]
arildb	fabricius: Do you mean the floating command line, like dokuwiki?	[19:46]
fabricius	yes RobertPlummer: is there a script existing or in sight for converting a latin_1 database to an ut8 database in a way, that we can prevent or repair html entity problems? arild yes ... your idea? arildb: could you send me a screenshot of this pls?	[19:47]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43353 10trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php tikiwiki [FIX] jcapture: Enable capture in wysiwyg (thanks marclaporte and arildb for the reminder)	[19:48]
fabricius	arildb: if it is that, what I think what it is, I would like to take this onto the website revamp ... implementing it on the demo site	[19:48]
arildb	it's from our review of Dokuwiki functionality. There are a couple of other ones too. See: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=For+Arild a revamp of the Tiki look would be great! The current look can be made much more attractive	[19:48]
marclaporte	http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/ is now at latest trunk, ready for someone to test WYSIWYG / jCapture	[19:49]
arildb	already fixed?	[19:50]
jonnyb	hopefully :)	[19:50]
fabricius	marclaporte: I have an encoding issue with flash/jcapture with Linux (Linux in general or Ubuntu) -> I want to find a general solution for that, but need a while for more research	[19:51]
arildb	wow, that's quick. I cannot enter WYSIWYG mode on demo. I'll try locally	[19:51]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43354 10trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php tikiwiki [FIX] toolbars: setSyntax is called from a static function, so needs to be public	[19:52]
arildb	jonnyb: FF error console reports an error: Timestamp: 10.10.2012 01:00:17 Error: ReferenceError: event is not defined Source File: http://l5/tikidev/tiki-editpage.php?page=jcapture+test Line: 2589 No screencapture window opens ...was testing in wysiwyg mode	[20:01]
jonnyb	event? hmm...	[20:02]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43355 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Query.php tikiwiki [FIX] Split each query up into it's own part	[20:02]
jonnyb	can you get it to break on the error? jonnyb tests	[20:02]
RobertPlummer	scratches head As he has been doing for hours	[20:03]
jonnyb	what's the difference? except for the home page text	[20:03]
RobertPlummer	That is it. Tracker data and homepage.	[20:04]
jonnyb	but js seems to work on both for me	[20:05]
RobertPlummer	It is probably a browser detection issue, I'm on firefox. checking chrome...	[20:05]
jonnyb	i'm on safari	[20:05]
RobertPlummer	chrome works	[20:06]
jonnyb	i get different dialogs when i select text	[20:07]
arildb	jonnyb: The "event" reported may come from tiki-jcapture.js, and the (first) function openJCaptureDialog(area, page, event) {	[20:07]
jonnyb	on trunk2 i don't seem to get the first "suggestions" dialog	[20:07]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: on webcompendia? ok jonnyb: If you select a whole sentence, you won't get a suggestion. jonnyb: It will only pop-up if you get a partial. .... or, um, it should ;)	[20:07]
jonnyb	arildb: i'll try on fx	[20:08]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: In firefox on ubuntu I get this artefact only on trunk2 -> "<!-- jq smarty plugin inactive: feature_jquery off -->"	[20:10]
jonnyb	odd indeed	[20:11]
RobertPlummer	what is bothersome about this... I can't debug locally, I have to do it through ssh.	[20:11]
jonnyb	how about trying some var_dump hacking?	[20:12]
RobertPlummer	That is what I'm doing now.	[20:12]
jonnyb	arildb: have the event error here - oddly it's fine in safari - not sure where the event it supposed to come from (yet)	[20:13]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03amette r43356 10trunk/ 10tiki-install.php 10templates/tiki-install.tpl tikiwiki [ENH] Show all errors to give users a clue why their installation fails tikiwiki [ENH] On a fresh install default the Tiki to report problematic errors	[20:14]
arildb	I got stuck at that one too	[20:14]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I set an echo of $pref['javascript_enabled']; on line 26, and I get a big fat 'n'. it is following the } else { of line 22 of javascript.php If I set the 'n' in that else to 'y', the site is restored to working behavior. Or better yet, if I just comment it out, the site works. I'm not sure why we would want to set it if neither disableJavascript or $js_cookie have been set.	[20:14]
jonnyb	in cookies, trunk2 has runs_before_detec=1 (but on trunk it = 2)	[20:18]
RobertPlummer	Not sure what that means, any way to easily fix?	[20:18]
jonnyb	i just found 118 matches for javascript_enabled in trunk (less than i would have expected actually) so big changes would mean lots of work	[20:19]
RobertPlummer	Is this a big fix? I just want to fix it.	[20:25]
jonnyb	but what are you fixing? more like hiding whatever the difference between your servers is, no?	[20:26]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I commented it out to see where the problem was, seems it is elsewhere. jonnyb: Do you think it is a small fix, or perhaps a much bigger one?	[20:27]
jonnyb	not sure what needs fixing exactly	[20:28]
arildb	jonnyb: I tried a screencapture in safari, and it did record a file. However, I am unable to view it. Error: "Flash player not available"	[20:35]
jonnyb	hmmm, yes - cke has it's own weird flash thing... but the wiki plugin should work (maybe not in the editor though, but after you save)	[20:36]
arildb	Let me try it	[20:36]
	jonnyb: I think I found a bug.	[20:42]
marclaporte	jonnyb: you da top dog! http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/WYSIWYG+jCapture	[20:42]
arildb	The movie url is in SEFURL format, even if SEFURL is off	[20:42]
jonnyb	woo - seems a little fragile though	[20:42]
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marclaporte	ah, yes fragile like a young tree but the force is strong in this one http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-editpage.php?page=WYSIWYG+jCapture	[20:44]
jonnyb	:)	[20:44]
Harman	hey guys	[20:45]
jonnyb	arildb: the sefurl bit happens in wikiplugin_img so the bug's in there, i reckon	[20:46]
arildb	marclaporte: Notice how the title of the page is "Home". I seem to get that in my local trunk installation too	[20:46]
Harman	how to get fconnect to tiki	[20:47]
marclaporte	Harman: how is your site coming along?	[20:48]
Harman	its so awesome, love for tiki i got the mobile thing configured too with specific modules for it my friend asked me to add fbconnect to easy things for volunteers	[20:49]
jonnyb	hi Harman - fb login was broken last time i tried (or i just didn't get it set up right) would be nice to have working	[20:50]
Harman	oh ok, i guess i can wait for a while till its developed	[20:51]
arildb	jonnyb: I could look for the SEFURL problem, but to be able to debug properly, I need jcapture running in IE	[20:52]
Harman	one more thing, how to stop spam? i get like 1-2 sign ups every 1 hour	[20:52]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Where is the cookie set for 'javascript_enabled'?	[20:52]
Harman	recaptcha doesnt seem to work much although better than captcha	[20:52]
arildb	Is anybody else experiencing that all(?) pages have the title "Home" displayed?	[20:53]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I see getCookie, but i do not see a setcookie.	[20:53]
arildb	that is running the latest trunk version	[20:53]
RobertPlummer	arildb: I have the issue	[20:53]
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jonnyb	RobertPlummer: setCookieSection (in php) for some reason	[20:54]
arildb	RobertPlummer: so, seems to be something that has arrived recently	[20:55]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: there are 3 instances of setCookieSection, none of them have 'javascript_enabled' in them, so how is it being set? Ah, I see line 33 now of javascript.php.	[20:57]
jonnyb	yes, it's set be js - that's the test (well, one of them) line 29	[20:58]
RobertPlummer	Can't we just use get_browser? $browser = get_browser(null, true);echo $browser['browser'];	[20:59]
marclaporte	There is a problem with http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-editpage.php?page=wysiwyg_sample_page plugins are not recognized (after the 1st one)	[21:00]
jonnyb	RobertPlummer: how can that tell if js is enabled?	[21:00]
RobertPlummer	the browser tells php, as the sample above shows.	[21:01]
jonnyb	but not about js - see http://uk1.php.net/manual/en/function.get-browser.php#41008	[21:02]
refizul	Is it possible to enable Captchas only for special wiki edits?	[21:03]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I forgot completly about <noscript>! <noscript>Please enable Javascript for best performance</noscript> Done!	[21:03]
refizul	I'd like to disable them normally but reenable them if someone wants to insert an external link.	[21:03]
jonnyb	refizul: not as far as i know, sorry	[21:04]
marclaporte	arildb: I now see the nice DokuWiki UI enhancements, thanks to jCapture! http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/For+Arild This is the future of Tiki feature requests and bug reports!	[21:04]
refizul	If seen something like this as MediaWiki plugin. s/If/I've/	[21:04]
arildb	marclaporte: yes, jcapture is an excellent tool for such reporting	[21:06]
jonnyb	marclaporte and arildb - nice	[21:10]
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arildb	The problem with the always-on "Home" title comes from breacrumlib.php line 28 function Breadcrumb($title, $desc='', $url='', $helpurl='', $helpdesc='') { if ($title == '') { $this->title = 'Home'; } else { changing the title to Home1, is reflected as the displayed page title ...I hope this gives a clue to somebody	[21:15]
RobertPlummer	arildb: add a thrown new Exception("die"); in there and see what is calling that, and why the title is blank	[21:17]
arildb	ok 1 0,0031 237136 {main}( ) ..tiki-index.php:0 2 1,4195 8078640 WikiRenderer->runSetups( ) ..tiki-index.php:635 3 1,4885 8664360 WikiRenderer->setupBreadcrumbs( ) ..renderlib.php:92 4 1,4885 8664704 Breadcrumb->Breadcrumb( ) ..renderlib.php:503	[21:17]
RobertPlummer	looks like a renderlib issue to me	[21:19]
refizul	oh - anonymous search gives results from pages which are not allowed to be viewed anonymous	[21:21]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43357 10trunk/ 10tiki-error_simple.php 03styles/site_closed.html tikiwiki [ENH] site_closed: Simple html template for site closed message (styles/site_closed.html - will use styles/site_closed_local.html if found). tikiwiki Replaces {error}, {title}, {back} and {login} in the html.	[21:22]
marclaporte	jonnyb: thank you that will be much less ugly. Can it be HTTP code 503?	[21:24]
luciash	RobertPlummer: i was just about to ask why you do not use <noscript> tag ;)	[21:25]
RobertPlummer	The issue was a cookie was stale on my system. luciash: But after looking at the code, just ugly. all: I feel that the javascript auto detection should be gutted from tiki, clever code, but a hack. Exactly what shouldn't be put into tiki. noscript should be our friend, it is what it was designed for.	[21:25]
marclaporte	jonnyb: http://www.askapache.com/seo/503-service-temporarily-unavailable.html#Whats_503_Service_Temporarily_Unavailable	[21:26]
jonnyb	marclaporte: i guess so, but isn't 503 something more important?	[21:26]
marclaporte	unless we want site_closed.html to be indexed...	[21:27]
jonnyb	that shouldn't be accessible - it's in the styles dir though (was contemplating putting it in templates/styles)	[21:28]
luciash	RobertPlummer: i am not 100% sure it is "autodetection" code. there was actually a preference in tiki to force JS off per site - for some reason (debugging ? disabled people community site ?) someone needed that preference perhaps. RobertPlummer: better discuss on dev list	[21:29]
RobertPlummer	luciash: Auto detection and an override are very different. auto detection overrides everything, and it is hacked together.	[21:29]
panamaus	I have a user who is trying to inline-display in a wiki page a PDF stored in Tiki's File Gallery, but can't because of the limitations of the MEDIAPLAYER plugin. I store files in the database rather than in a directory on the web server, so I have no workaround within Tiki... right?	[21:31]
luciash	panamaus: try IFRAME wikiplugin linking to the file with &display at the end of URL	[21:33]
panamaus	luciash: oh that's pretty clever; I'll try that	[21:33]
luciash	panamaus: the user has to have PDF (Acrobat) reader browser plugin installed of course	[21:34]
panamaus	luciash: yeah, I assumed that much	[21:34]
jonnyb	marclaporte: i think it should be http 302 (or 307) "Moved Temporarily" rather than a server error	[21:34]
marclaporte	sounds good	[21:34]
luciash	jonnyb: +1	[21:35]
jonnyb	geoff had a broken server today where he had enable IDS on trunk (experimental) and his server was failing badly due to it's 503 errors hi luciash :)	[21:35]
marclaporte	yeah, amette has something on the way for PHPIDS :-)	[21:36]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43358 10trunk/ 10tiki-error_simple.php 03templates/styles/site_closed.html 04styles/site_closed.html tikiwiki [FIX] site_closed: Add http error (302) and move template into templates/styles to prevent crawler indexing (thanks marclaporte)	[21:42]
luciash	jonnyb: hi again :)	[21:47]
jonnyb	:)	[21:47]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43359 10trunk/tiki-error_simple.php tikiwiki [FIX] site_closed: Restore form post action to tiki-login.php?page=tikiIndex (tikiIndex is a special "page" which redirects to the currently set home page or feature)	[21:48]
jonnyb	been meaning to improve the site_closed for ages!	[21:48]
luciash	yay! :)	[21:48]
RobertPlummer	jyhem_ Jyhem_laptop you around?	[21:50]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03arildb r43360 10trunk/lib/wiki/wikilib.php tikiwiki [FIX] Avoid having "Home" as the title to "all" pages	[21:58]
panamaus	luciash: it worked! HUZZAH	[22:00]
luciash	:)	[22:04]
refizul	settings: is it possible to register without an email? registration at a test tiki says: This field is required	[22:09]
jonnyb	refizul: isn't there a pref for that? would be on admin/login	[22:16]
arildb	jonnyb: I tried jcapture and safari again. Capturing an image works fine in wysiwyg in safari.....Nice to see the image (almost instantly) in the browser!	[22:19]
refizul	no - email cannot be set to optional AFAICS	[22:19]
jonnyb	refizul: the label on the email field on login depends on the validate prefs validateUsers and validateEmail	[22:19]
refizul	I disabled all validation, but email is still mandatory (but neither used nor checked)	[22:20]
jonnyb	arildb: that's good - mine seems totally broken now :( something about server not matching a request	[22:20]
refizul	e.g. a fake address a@b.c works	[22:21]
jonnyb	refizul: the validations in admin/login are off? maybe it's become hard-coded now, unusual not to require email	[22:21]
refizul	jonnyb: yes, all validations are disabled	[22:23]
fabricius	ahh btw: anything about external links or rel for menu-items? a parameter for target?	[22:24]
jonnyb	arildb: fix for firefox hopefully on it's way in	[22:27]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43361 10trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php tikiwiki [FIX] jcapture: Somewhat ugly fix for ckeditor not making event global for toolbar clicks in firefox (thanks arildb)	[22:28]
arildb	sounds good	[22:28]
jonnyb	i'm off for food - mbbl	[22:28]
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refizul	tiki-minical_export.php shows me ASCII in browser, but no download - is this intended?	[22:51]
arildb	Question: can I detect if sefurl is active in javascript?	[22:56]
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