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[00:56] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4321 - - 9.1, trackers, security: hidden user selector type field keeps listing all the users as options  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4321
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[00:59] refizul polom
[01:11] marclaporte refizul: how happy are you with permissoncheck?
[01:33] refizul it needs some more work
[01:34] refizul but it is on a good way
[01:35] refizul remember the htaccess bug report? With Litespeed webserver?
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[01:40] refizul this one: https://dev.tiki.org/item4281
[01:40] refizul I cannot reproduce the behaviour.
[01:43] marclaporte ah
[01:54] refizul name convention: would foo.inc.php be better than foo.php.inc?
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[02:23] marclaporte refizul: yes, better, but still different than other files in Tiki :-)
[02:23] marclaporte but maybe this should be become the new convention :-) :-)
[02:24] marclaporte it would solve the sorting problem
[02:34] refizul we can do one reading prevention method or both for those files
[02:34] refizul I added something to htaccess - up in a few minutes
[02:35] marclaporte The most important is the PHP based protection
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[02:47] refizul I usual cases: I agree
[02:48] refizul In usual cases: I agree
[02:48] refizul but I'm not sure whether it'd be a good idea to use that in a permission check suite
[02:50] refizul the three files don't give any output. I don't want to hide that by a rewrite.
[02:51] refizul The check is used in cases where nasty problems are on the table - so hiding information is not the best idea then.
[02:52] marclaporte http://demo.tiki.org/cartograf/permissioncheck/
[02:53] refizul what is cartograf?
[02:59] marclaporte ah, it's a mapping application, built with Tiki
[02:59] marclaporte http://profiles.tiki.org/Cartograf    "CartoGraf is an interactive web-based mapping application to enhance learning in history and geography classes in high schools. CartoGraf is mainly based on Maps, Drawings, PluginAppFrame and Trackers. It is a great example of how to use profiles in a general purpose app (Tiki) to make a very specific application."
[03:02] marclaporte It will be available as a teaching aid for all high school teachers in Québec
[03:03] marclaporte It will make teaching and learning way more fun :-)
[03:03] refizul hui - impressive
[03:04] refizul this is something I will need in the future
[03:04] marclaporte yeah, lphuberdeau really did some impressive work and it helped improve Tiki as a framework.  luciash also did some magic
[03:05] marclaporte Well, the future is installing Tiki10 and applying the profile ;;-)
[03:05] marclaporte There are three goals for the project
[03:05] marclaporte 1- Have the best possible app
[03:06] marclaporte Make it feel like a custom app that was made just for this, not a CMS which has maps in it
[03:06] marclaporte 2- Have all the code in Tiki to keep future upgrades easy/fun/clean
[03:07] marclaporte They are acutely aware of having invested in systems which ended up as dead-end, expensive to maintain code
[03:08] marclaporte 3- Build a community / ecosystem around this project.   So hopefully, we can have dozens of schools all over the world which deploy it, and improve upon it, and help make it evolve
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[03:10] marclaporte So to build a communtity, deployability is a huge factor.  Thus, the profiles system has been absolutely fantastic.
[03:10] marclaporte http://profiles.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=CartoGraf has nearly 400 revisions
[03:11] marclaporte Many of those are updates in todos, but there are still 100-200 revisions of the profile definition
[03:11] marclaporte And thus, CartoGraf has already been deployed hundreds of times for resting and development
[03:11] marclaporte And thus, CartoGraf has already been deployed hundreds of times for testing and development
[03:11] marclaporte Profiles has changed the way we work
[03:12] marclaporte 4-5 people can work on the project MUCH more efficiently
[03:12] marclaporte and we can make many incremental refinements
[03:13] refizul I guess I want to hear a public Tiki lecture somewhere around here, just to tell me about the whole stuff
[03:13] marclaporte We have the monthly webinars :-)
[03:14] refizul But as I already know: I'll be the one talking :-)
[03:15] marclaporte yes, a good topic for the next webinar: the challenges of installing a web app on various infrastructures: "A crash course about TPC (Tiki Permission Check)" :-)
[03:16] marclaporte super!
[03:16] fabricius (off) cool
[03:16] marclaporte And part 2, by amette: Tiki Check:  checking 50 things on your server :-)
[03:17] marclaporte And part 2, by amette: "Tiki Check:  checking 50 things on your server, so you don't have to"  :-)
[03:18] refizul is it possible to get webserver document root path by PHP? It should, I think... this leads to an opportunity
[03:20] marclaporte So if I understand properly from http://demo.tiki.org/cartograf/permissioncheck/, the best I can do is "risky" ?
[03:20] refizul the Problem with htaccess pwassword protection is: it needs an absolute path
[03:20] refizul eh - no, wait
[03:21] refizul did you enable permissioncheck by script?
[03:21] refizul yes
[03:22] marclaporte yes, I disabled, then enabled
[03:22] marclaporte Is it possible that running sh setup.sh messes up permissioncheck?
[03:23] refizul yes, if you fix Tiki's permissions
[03:24] refizul the subdir permissioncheck should be excluded from recursive chmod
[03:24] marclaporte ok, easy enough :-)
[03:24] refizul but you can enable again
[03:24] marclaporte brb
[03:34] fabricius refizul: "... the subdir permissioncheck should be excluded from recursive chmod" I feel this might be a security issue, in respect of realistic typical behaviour of webmasters
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[03:39] refizul fabricius: yes, this stuff needs a very good documentation for webmasters
[03:41] refizul marclaporte: probably you'll like pain
[03:44] refizul fabricius: maybe we can set permissioncheck/ to 000 in setup.sh because once Tiki works it won't be needed anymore
[03:45] marclaporte refizul: :-)
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[04:03] fabricius refizul: most important I see, that any accidential recursive chmod of permissioncheck etc. should be prevented. ... I did not yet have a look, but tell me where the file is located - directly in the root, like tiki-check?
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[04:10] refizul yes
[04:11] refizul document root -> setup.sh
[04:13] refizul is it possible to have dynamic cases in a shell script with "case .... esac" where the list of cases is read from a file?
[04:19] refizul DOCUMENT_ROOT and PHP_SELF seem to do what I want - if I can convince the shell to do the same, we are in business :-)
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[04:55] BusyBoxes anyone got experience setting up tikiwki on a ubuntu server?
[04:56] refizul no - but Debian. What's the problem?
[04:57] BusyBoxes doesn't seem to want to cooperate
[04:58] refizul that means? Installer not running?
[04:58] BusyBoxes null page when visiting installer or index of directory
[04:59] refizul which version?
[04:59] BusyBoxes 9.2
[05:00] BusyBoxes probably shoulda went with a stable version, ehh..
[05:00] refizul our new permissioncheck is not yet ready for 9.2 - does the webserver have got read permission?
[05:00] BusyBoxes drwxr-xr-x 21 www-data www-data 20480 Oct 24 19:15 tiki-9.1
[05:00] refizul do you have got shell access or only ftp?
[05:00] BusyBoxes local vm that's dmz'd
[05:01] refizul can you rename index.php to jndex.php and write any new index.html test page?
[05:03] BusyBoxes done
[05:04] refizul is it visible?
[05:05] BusyBoxes the test page yes.
[05:05] BusyBoxes jndex.php no
[05:05] refizul rename this testpage to index.php
[05:05] BusyBoxes done
[05:06] refizul is it visible?
[05:06] BusyBoxes the testpage as default under a php extension is
[05:06] BusyBoxes installer no
[05:06] refizul not the installer
[05:07] refizul is the renamed testpage visible as index.php?
[05:07] BusyBoxes tiki-9.1/index.php
[05:07] BusyBoxes It works!
[05:07] BusyBoxes This is the default web page for this server.
[05:07] BusyBoxes The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
[05:08] BusyBoxes are you able to see my web server?
[05:08] refizul no - don't see it
[05:08] BusyBoxes refizul, just dmz'd it look now
[05:09] refizul if your testpage with php is visible and tiki is not visible, it may be a problem with either htaccess or permissions
[05:09] refizul now I see
[05:10] refizul rename testpage to test.php
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[05:10] refizul then rename tiki's jndex.php back to index.php
[05:12] refizul I do not see it anymore
[05:12] refizul network timeout
[05:13] BusyBoxes nor sir
[05:13] BusyBoxes you should see now
[05:13] refizul yes - empty
[05:14] BusyBoxes indeed.
[05:14] refizul it is very likely that this is an apache problem with configuration
[05:14] BusyBoxes hmmm
[05:14] refizul look if there are hints in /var/log/apache
[05:15] BusyBoxes will do trying to see if there's something wrong with file permissions real quick
[05:15] refizul access.log or error.log may tell something
[05:15] refizul you can try tiki's script: sh setup.sh
[05:16] BusyBoxes already ran it
[05:16] refizul tail /var/log/apache/error.log
[05:17] refizul sudo tail /var/log/apache/error.log
[05:17] BusyBoxes looks like it may be memory issues
[05:18] BusyBoxes [Wed Oct 24 20:13:22 2012] [error] [client xx.xx.xx.120] PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 262144 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 49152 bytes) in /var/www/tiki-9.1/tiki-setup.php on line 108
[05:18] BusyBoxes tikiwiki eats memory ehh?
[05:20] BusyBoxes php.ini memory_limit?
[05:20] refizul do you use php security extensions?
[05:21] refizul like: suhosin, suphp, suexec...
[05:21] BusyBoxes no
[05:21] BusyBoxes in the future yes, but now no.
[05:21] refizul it looks strange, 49152 is less than 262144
[05:22] refizul but it may be an php.ini problem
[05:24] refizul grep memory_limit php.ini
[05:24] BusyBoxes already fixed it
[05:24] BusyBoxes check now
[05:24] refizul looks fine
[05:25] refizul which value was it and which did you choose now?
[05:25] BusyBoxes memory limit was 256MB
[05:26] BusyBoxes changed to 32M
[05:26] refizul we can make a note with this at documentation doc.tiki.org
[05:26] refizul are you registered yet?
[05:27] refizul you made it smaller than before and now it works?
[05:27] BusyBoxes yeah
[05:27] BusyBoxes funny ehh
[05:27] refizul this is really odd
[05:27] BusyBoxes it's documented as 32M
[05:27] BusyBoxes for some funny reason
[05:27] refizul But I never understood Ubuntu
[05:27] BusyBoxes php default memory_limit was 128MB and I was having problems
[05:28] BusyBoxes then I changed it to 256MB
[05:28] BusyBoxes had problems and was confuzled
[05:28] BusyBoxes so I was like this makes no sense and changed it to 32M
[05:28] BusyBoxes to make even more sense.
[05:29] refizul 128M should work , 64M too
[05:29] refizul maybe some operating system internals don't want it to be too large
[05:29] BusyBoxes apparently not on my 64-bit ubuntu server
[05:30] refizul did you try 64M?
[05:30] BusyBoxes no I just did 128 and 256
[05:30] refizul sometimes 32M may be too small - some issues are known
[05:30] BusyBoxes memory wasn't being allocated correctly logical thing to do is increase buffer size right?
[05:31] refizul usually yes, increase
[05:31] BusyBoxes Just glad I got this fixed, got a project to work on tomorrow regarding an internal wiki with viewing permissions.
[05:32] BusyBoxes mediawiki was just garbage regarding that, so I went with tiki
[05:32] refizul You'll have a lot of fun with Tiki.
[05:34] refizul time for me to go offline
[05:34] BusyBoxes Tiki does have better built in support of restricting certain pages to user groups right?
[05:34] refizul yes - groups and permissions can be very fine grained
[05:35] refizul more about: http://doc.tiki.org/Groups
[05:36] refizul I'm offline now - have fun
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[07:13] Rahul_ Hi expert. any migration tool for updgrade version of tiki 6.6 to 9.1
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[08:44] rahul_ any migration tool for tikiwiki ??
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[10:04] dhawal how to migration 6.6 to 9.1 ?
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[10:25] Phoebus Anyone have a *working* link for a tiki virtual appliance? (vmwarE)
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[10:52] Bsfez polom
[10:52] ohertel heya
[10:53] Bsfez ohertel: do we know if tw9lts is uptodate at http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/files/Tiki_9.x_Herbig_Haro/ (security patch)
[10:53] ohertel no idea, sorry.
[10:54] Bsfez how are you (sry i'm stressed on this issue)
[10:56] ohertel who did upload it? he should know if it's up to date. ;-)
[10:56] ohertel i am only packaging the daily tarballs on tw.o
[10:57] ohertel where we had some issues lately with sf not working well on sync ..
[10:58] ohertel and zend sync being broken in one case.
[10:59] Bsfez changi but yesterday SourceF was jumpy
[11:00] Bsfez i vote it's all good ! :D
[11:01] Bsfez anyway it is in intranet and it is a security patch… With a little luck i don't have to be worried. :)
[11:02] ohertel i still need to dd some code to my tarball scripts to check if the checkouts went well.
[11:02] ohertel currently, if sf pukes, the tarballs might be broken. :(
[11:03] ohertel the 4-times-a-day tarballs
[11:05] ohertel i will switch next.tw.o from trunk to 1.10 later today.
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[11:07] Bsfez :(  i'm on mobile wifi not steasy.
[11:07] Bsfez cu l8tr
[11:15] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Text in CODE() block is monospace - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45469
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[11:57] fabricius polom
[12:11] ohertel hello torsten :-)
[12:29] fabricius how r you?
[12:29] fabricius ohertel
[12:41] ohertel all well :-)
[12:42] fabricius nice one :-)
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[13:57] Tiki|bot Info: Tiki 6.8 LTS and 9.2 LTS are now Available - http://info.tiki.org/article204-Tiki-6-8-LTS-and-9-2-LTS-are-now-Available
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[14:32] RobertPlummer polom all
[14:32] RobertPlummer running merge on 10 -> trunk
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[15:11] RobertPlummer massive tree conflict with permissioncheck, sorting out...
[15:15] RobertPlummer I just reverted them, looks like there is duplicate branch development.
[15:17] ohertel :-o
[15:19] RobertPlummer Perhaps my svn it going mad.
[15:21] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4322 - - DSN-Parsing not suitable for Firebird  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4322
[15:21] RobertPlummer deleted all, and doing a re-checkout, looks like it is in-fact an svn bug, very odd.
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[15:56] RobertPlummer changi: You around buddy?
[15:56] RobertPlummer changi: Is http://nextparserdev.tiki.org/login running trunk or 10?
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[16:15] marclaporte maybe needs a good cache clearing :-)
[16:18] rahul__ hi expert.. any plugin required for spreadsheet ?
[16:46] arildb I am running Tiki 10 on several installations. The run CkEditor/WYSIWYG. Starting to think the installtion of a (then) trunk version was a mistake.
[16:46] arildb There ae several severe bugs in WYSIWYG in Tiki 10. See http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+10x
[16:47] arildb These bugs make it difficult to operate a tiki installation with Tiki 10
[16:47] arildb The faults seem to be parser related
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[16:58] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: system error - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45475
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[17:07] changi RobertPlummer: yes i'm now
[17:07] changi :)
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[17:25] RobertPlummer changi: Can you add svn permissions to my user and possible access to the nextparserdev site?
[17:26] RobertPlummer changi: $ cd /var/local/nextparserdev.tiki.org/
[17:26] RobertPlummer -bash: cd: /var/local/nextparserdev.tiki.org/: Permission denied
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[17:48] changi RobertPlummer: you are root, simply use sudo :)
[17:48] changi RobertPlummer: svn permission to what ?
[17:48] RobertPlummer changi: I have no password, so I can't sudo I thought.
[17:49] RobertPlummer $ sudo cd /var/local/nextparserdev.tiki.org/
[17:49] RobertPlummer [sudo] password for robertplummer:
[17:50] changi RobertPlummer: see in pm
[17:54] changi RobertPlummer: i presume i don't need to warn you about the fact you are on the production server :)
[17:56] RobertPlummer changi: rm / -F
[17:56] RobertPlummer jk
[17:56] RobertPlummer changi: I've had my fair share of production server development, I will tread light.
[17:57] RobertPlummer changi: When I run less /etc/group it doesn't show me in www-data
[17:57] RobertPlummer changi: However, when I run sudo useradd -F www-data robertplummer, I get that I am in that group
[17:57] changi it's because ; if you do sudo su - you are root :)
[17:58] RobertPlummer ok
[17:59] RobertPlummer conflict on .htpasswd, mc ok?
[17:59] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: bug with multilang menu for users - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45481
[17:59] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: 3 blank wiki pages - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=45480
[18:00] changi RobertPlummer: what do you mean by conflict
[18:00] RobertPlummer That looks like what the problem was, the conflict was keeping the svn up from executing.
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[18:00] RobertPlummer changi: I'm just telling you what svn up told me.
[18:00] changi htaccess ?
[18:02] RobertPlummer changi: see pm
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[18:25] arildb How can I make a tracker field that is automatically filled out with the current username? (no selection)
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[19:53] refizul tada! first version of standalone permissioncheck is online
[19:53] changi refizul: nice one
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[19:55] marclaporte Congrats!!
[20:32] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: default language of registered users? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45487
[20:37] marclaporte refizul: so what is distribution model?  a .zip of that directory?
[20:45] arildb I am not very familiar with trackers, but am trying to setup a tracker for a stundent survey. 1 reply per student. Would like to record username and submit date and list these as result titles. However, I can only find edit user/datetime fields, and I need read-only fields. Any suggestions?
[20:47] arildb well submit time should not be in the form itself, it should only be recorded at submit time, and then used as a title attribute. Possible?
[20:50] arildb another question: For tracker items of type header, is it possible to have the param description displayed in the input form (explaining the questions in the section)?
[20:52] refizul marclaporte: distribution model - I'll think about this at the party! ;-) Need to to some Tiki advertising at the Linux meeting
[20:53] marclaporte creation time of tracker item is automatically recorded
[20:53] marclaporte refizul:  :-)
[20:54] refizul marclaporte: the standalone check is for older versions of Tiki and alien projects
[20:54] refizul should be compatible with any version of Tiki
[21:00] arildb marclaporte: If creationTime is automatically recorded, is it possible to get this field displayed in the result list as a title value for the item?
[21:26] arildb about the read-only username field in tracker...worked fine, once I tried without admin status :)
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[21:42] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: 2 registration pages - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45489
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[22:58] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43685 10branches/10.x/lib/core/ 10WikiPlugin/ConditionBase.php 10WikiPlugin/HtmlBase.php
[22:58] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] extend from condition base, and remove duplicate items
[23:08] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43686 10branches/10.x/lib/core/WikiPlugin/HtmlBase.php
[23:08] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] left in a print_r
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[23:22] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] => should not be needed, a converter will need to used => for plugin arguments, =gt; for everything else.
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[23:22] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] keys needed set rather than values
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[23:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX]  Allow plugin test to override output
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