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[00:05] booksilent greetings again!
[00:06] booksilent i'm fairly sure i'm not going to ask a silly question this time, having done my reading homework and poked around a bit more...
[00:06] booksilent ...but it is still not clear to me if i could do this...
[00:06] booksilent wiki... a wiki...
[00:08] booksilent how deep can the rabbit hole goooooooo *echo*
[00:10] marclaporte1 hehe
[00:10] marclaporte1 what's on your mind?
[00:13] booksilent hi again marc!
[00:14] booksilent so, i'm visualizing this functionality whereby the average 'viewer' sees the finished site, like a normal wikified site
[00:15] booksilent and they may also notice a 'tab' of some kind that, if clicked on, will allow them to vote on their preferred 'statements'... the most popular statements being strung together to form the initial 'front-end' article
[00:16] booksilent but then, if they were given more permissions, they would notice yet another tab, going deeper into the editorial process, to add their own statements and the such
[00:16] booksilent but even still!...
[00:17] marclaporte1 Is this a good word for what you have in mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberation
[00:17] booksilent another tab, which (skipping a few steps here) allows them to edit how the whole editorial process works thus far
[00:17] booksilent so... editing the way it edits
[00:17] booksilent recursion, again, i'm afraid xD
[00:18] booksilent but yes, deliberation would be a part of the process... i've read a little now on the possibilities of voting, which actually inspired this deeper editing process
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[00:25] booksilent love how you can deliberate on something in some hidden 'for your eyes only' area, and publish when ready
[00:25] booksilent having a powerful data collection and storage feature is also awesome... and compatibility with Firebird! love it!
[00:35] marclaporte1 Compatibility with Firebird?
[00:36] booksilent sure, i read that somewhere... it was just an aside ^_^
[00:37] booksilent i have a feeling i've got a lot of work ahead of me
[00:37] booksilent would you recommend buying the Guide for Smarties?... does this in any way fund the project? Or just line the authors pockets?
[00:41] panamaus The hardcopy Tiki for Smarties I have was written back in the era of 6.x and seemed pretty outdated when I bought it a year ago. It didn't even include a single mention of trackers
[00:42] booksilent ah ha, thanks for the heads up!
[00:42] panamaus I found it only marginally more useful than the outdated documentation on doc.tiki.org, and in some cases not even that
[00:43] booksilent gotta kinda figure it out for myself... no worries... i've tried gaming on linux... i can use google ;)
[00:44] panamaus It was handy to have as offline reference. And it let me jumpstart when I was a noobie without being around my computer. So there's that.
[00:45] booksilent the free online resource should suffice... i like books if they're, you know... not doorstops xD
[00:45] booksilent smartphone ftw
[00:47] booksilent is what you made available to have a look at?
[00:47] booksilent out of curiosity
[00:51] marclaporte1 booksilent:  go ahead and buy both Smarties guides
[00:52] marclaporte1 panamaus: Trackers is in the other book
[00:52] booksilent does the money help?
[00:52] booksilent i mean, that's a big motivating factor to get a copy... knowing it part-funds the project
[00:52] marclaporte1 Well, the author is uber active in the Tiki community
[00:53] marclaporte1 So everyone is happy if he can get some funds to spend more time on Smarties
[00:53] booksilent indirect funding... i can dig ;)
[00:53] marclaporte1 and the content is all Creative Commons
[00:53] marclaporte1 So when you buy, it's partly for printing / shipping cost and partly a donation really
[00:53] booksilent do you know if he has a price for both a hard and digital copy? i can only find one or the other
[00:54] booksilent sorry, i phrased that badly
[00:54] booksilent i want to give him money, and he gives me BOTH
[00:54] marclaporte1 hehe
[00:54] marclaporte1 I dunno the specifics
[00:54] marclaporte1 http://tiki.org/Donation is if you want to donate to the association, which covers domain names, server costs, SSL
[00:55] booksilent i mean, Amazon sells them separately... i don't think capitalism has caught up with digital markets... still
[00:55] marclaporte1 Can't you put both in your cart?
[00:55] booksilent ...at extra cost to me, yes
[00:56] booksilent i could scan the book... or print the digital copy... but i'm not insane xD
[01:03] booksilent well... i'll read the online one to begin with... need to slowly invest, rather than leap in
[01:04] booksilent got lots to think about, plan, and develop
[01:04] booksilent brain babies to give birth to
[01:04] booksilent (besides working and shiat)
[01:05] booksilent speaking of which, bed time :)
[01:05] booksilent thanks for your help ^_^
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[02:27] fabricius polom
[02:28] fabricius just came back home from hospital
[02:28] fabricius broke my left hand 3 hours ago - bycicle accident - bike still alive!
[02:29] fabricius so big luck!
[02:30] fabricius tomorrow after a meeting back to hospital - seems that I get a surgery (operation?)
[02:30] fabricius 6 weeks fulltime on Tiki then, but only with 5 fingers
[02:45] marclaporte your head is intact?
[02:52] fabricius yes!
[02:52] fabricius helmet
[02:53] fabricius i have to correct me ... have 6 fingers so far for the keyboard
[02:53] fabricius 5 1/2
[02:54] fabricius imagine: fullspeed and then 2 steel wires across
[02:55] fabricius landed on my breast and could barely breath for a few minutes
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[03:09] Jyhem polom
[03:09] refizul polom
[03:09] Jyhem I'm glad the head is OK
[03:10] Jyhem fabricius: 5 1/2 fingers are manageable. trust me :)
[03:10] Jyhem with practice :(
[03:10] refizul fabricius: hospital? broken hand? OMG? - just reading IRC backlog, and this is not the kind of news I want to hear/read
[03:13] refizul fabricius: anything we can do? Recommend a software which makes live easier for a one hand person?
[03:14] fabricius thx, but all has bad and good sites refizul Jyhem marclaporte ... it is all a question of the perspectives feature. Ok, it hurts and I cannot work in the shop for the next few weeks, but on the other hand my timesheet is bloged for the Tiki revamp now
[03:15] fabricius arrgl ... roling cigarettes one handed sucks
[03:15] fabricius rolling
[03:16] fabricius myb wll spr vcls ... svs typng
[03:21] fabricius folding cigarettes now
[03:25] refizul no big deal from that point of view
[03:26] refizul folding cigs - I cannot believe somethg is broken... :-�
[03:28] fabricius just one night approx ... NOT a comminuted fracture - just straight , but metacarpus (Mittelhand)
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[03:30] ricks99 late evening (for me) poloms all!
[03:31] refizul hey ricks99 - \o/
[03:31] fabricius hi ricks99
[03:32] ricks99 hiya refizul & fabricius
[03:32] fabricius ricks99: will be fulltime with Tiki the next 6 weeks
[03:33] ricks99 congrats!
[03:33] fabricius ricks99: broken pipe
[03:33] ricks99 ?
[03:33] fabricius ricks99:  metacarpus fracture left hand
[03:33] ricks99 ouch
[03:33] fabricius surgery tomorrow
[03:34] ricks99 can you type with left hand? ;-)
[03:35] fabricius i can type with right hand and left plaster cast
[03:37] ricks99 Q: is there an easy way to test if the current wiki page is in a structure (by name)?
[03:37] ricks99 The {$structure} only returns y|n
[03:37] ricks99 I want to actually test the against the structure
[03:38] ricks99 Was hoping for something like {if $structure_id eq '1'}.... {/if} but can't find it :(
[03:41] * ricks99 thinks everyone is asleep
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[03:44] fabricius chatting skype
[03:46] fabricius no idea what you want to achive ... being interested
[03:46] ricks99 Found it! {$home_info.page_ref_id}
[03:47] fabricius that's structures?
[03:48] ricks99 $home_info is the array for the structure and page_ref_id is the wiki page ID for the start/name of the structure
[03:49] fabricius ah yes
[03:49] fabricius what you want to do with it?
[03:50] ricks99 need to test for specific struture. Want to conditionalize CSS
[03:50] fabricius ahhh interesting!!!
[04:40] marclaporte polom
[04:44] marclaporte ricks99:  where did you find {$home_info.page_ref_id} ? Smarty debug?
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[04:47] FCPD New install 9.2:  States I need cookies enabled.  Have them installed.  Normal glitch out of the box?  Thanx
[04:49] marclaporte FCPD: tks for reporting
[04:50] marclaporte I see this very rarely, but have never been able to pinpoint why
[04:50] FCPD sure i deleted and will reinstall.  i did have a space in the folder name so maybe thats why
[04:51] FCPD long time no chat im the train guy still poking around with the software and still like it ;)  appreciate all you folks do!
[04:52] marclaporte :-)
[04:52] marclaporte I rememeber the stories!
[04:53] FCPD removed the space and works fine maybe that's a lead
[04:53] ricks99 @Marc: yup. in debug
[04:53] marclaporte FCPD:  We have made dramatic progress on maps
[04:53] marclaporte ricks99:  I am glad we moved that debug to a more obvious place :-)
[04:54] ricks99 me too :)
[04:54] FCPD that's why i came a calling!  i work for the us government now doing foreclosure work and am wanting to take tiki for a test drive and maybe get some interest on their part
[04:54] FCPD the wiki will be for my company but they are looking for a viable solution under the contract
[04:55] marclaporte There was this: http://foreclosurepedia.org/
[04:55] FCPD thats me
[04:55] FCPD the MW application is not secure enough
[04:56] marclaporte you'll want to keep track of http://profiles.tiki.org/Cartograf
[04:56] FCPD i am wanting to take /reo and spin up tw on it
[04:56] FCPD ok noting it now
[04:57] marclaporte In a nutshell, it's a teaching aid for history and geography for high school teachers
[04:57] marclaporte It lets kids make their own maps, add pictures, draw on pictures
[04:57] marclaporte take snapshots from StreetView...
[04:58] marclaporte So you could enter a zip code, find the house, grab a picture, draw on the picture and add data about that point
[05:00] FCPD man, see that's precisely what i'm driving at!
[05:02] marclaporte ok, go here: http://demo.tiki.org/
[05:02] marclaporte take note of username/pass
[05:02] marclaporte go to http://demo.tiki.org/cartograf
[05:03] FCPD heading now
[05:06] marclaporte not much doc yet, but the application is functional
[05:06] FCPD so is this something that dumps as a profile in the admin section?
[05:06] FCPD on a new install?
[05:07] marclaporte you could do on an existing install, but since this profile is quite invasive, it's better on a fresh install
[05:07] marclaporte You need a Tiki10
[05:07] marclaporte What is your timeframe?
[05:08] ricks99 marclaporte: sent this to u the other day. https://info.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1482 did u want to follow up?
[05:08] FCPD i'm on a new install.  i have a couple of months to tinker around.  i am trying to push open source w/HUD as to date everything has been W*ndows and miserable
[05:13] marclaporte ricks99|away:  done, thks
[05:28] marclaporte FCPD:  more about CartoGraf: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-10-25,Thu&sel=34#l30
[05:28] FCPD Going there thanx!
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[06:16] marclaporte polom
[07:01] kstingel|away hi marc
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[07:53] rahul_ Hi RobertPlummer
[07:54] rahul_ plz help for spreasheet function. its not working .. any plugin require install for it ?
[07:56] rahul_ ???
[07:56] rahul_ ???
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[09:26] fidel_ hi - why is digest mode disabled in the devel mailinglist?
[09:26] fidel_ i mean - digest is somehow very helpful disturbing-wise ;)
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[11:51] ravi_ i upgrade my tikiwiki from 6 to 9.1,,,,,,,,after upgrade my tiki spreadsheet is not working.\
[11:53] ravi_ when click on particular speradsheet form list............it redirect to particular page like :- domainname.com/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=146 but page blank
[12:01] arildb ravi_: Try to look at the Net tab in Firebug (if you have that installed). It can show what failed
[12:06] ravi_ it show like :- GET tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=146..........500 Internal Server Error
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[12:13] arildb ravi_: check you permissions setting, is your .htaccess file updated?
[12:14] ravi_ let's check it
[12:19] ravi_ in upgrade tikiwiki 6 to 9.1.it's require to rename _htaccess to .htaccess?
[12:21] arildb copy, not ername
[12:22] arildb s/ername/rename
[12:23] ravi_ means?
[12:24] ravi_ copy .htaccess file from old version to new version?
[12:28] arildb no, copy the new _htaccess to .htaccess (assuming you don't have any htaccess modifications...and running Apache)
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[12:42] ravi_ try it but not succeed
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[13:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03arildb r43690 10branches/10.x/lib/core/Tracker/Field/Header.php
[13:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Avoid using header level 0
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[14:26] ravi_ how to change font-family for whole tikiwiki site?
[14:30] marclaporte http://doc.tiki.org/Google+Web+Fonts
[14:33] ricks99 See docs: http://doc.tiki.org/Look+and+Feel
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[16:48] arildb I am working on a Survey tracker, which contains 3 item types header, text field and text area. I see that the header description is loaded into the web page, but then hidden. How can I make the tracker header items display the description in the input form?
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[19:16] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [NEW] Feature to prevent multiple simultaneous logins with the same account (useful when customers pay for access)
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[19:34] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] elfinder: Sometimes (?) the field options come back as an empty string instead of 0, so test (thanks marclaporte)
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