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booksilent: greetings again!
<br> i'm fairly sure i'm not going to ask a silly question this time, having done my reading homework and poked around a bit more...
<br> ...but it is still not clear to me if i could do this...
<br> wiki... a wiki...
<br> how deep can the rabbit hole goooooooo *echo*
marclaporte1: hehe
<br> what's on your mind?
booksilent: hi again marc!
<br> so, i'm visualizing this functionality whereby the average 'viewer' sees the finished site, like a normal wikified site
<br> and they may also notice a 'tab' of some kind that, if clicked on, will allow them to vote on their preferred 'statements'... the most popular statements being strung together to form the initial 'front-end' article
<br> but then, if they were given more permissions, they would notice yet another tab, going deeper into the editorial process, to add their own statements and the such
<br> but even still!...
marclaporte1: Is this a good word for what you have in mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberation
booksilent: another tab, which (skipping a few steps here) allows them to edit how the whole editorial process works thus far
<br> so... editing the way it edits
<br> recursion, again, i'm afraid xD
<br> but yes, deliberation would be a part of the process... i've read a little now on the possibilities of voting, which actually inspired this deeper editing process
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booksilent: love how you can deliberate on something in some hidden 'for your eyes only' area, and publish when ready
<br> having a powerful data collection and storage feature is also awesome... and compatibility with Firebird! love it!
marclaporte1: Compatibility with Firebird?
booksilent: sure, i read that somewhere... it was just an aside ^_^
<br> i have a feeling i've got a lot of work ahead of me
<br> would you recommend buying the Guide for Smarties?... does this in any way fund the project? Or just line the authors pockets?
panamaus: The hardcopy Tiki for Smarties I have was written back in the era of 6.x and seemed pretty outdated when I bought it a year ago. It didn't even include a single mention of trackers
booksilent: ah ha, thanks for the heads up!
panamaus: I found it only marginally more useful than the outdated documentation on doc.tiki.org, and in some cases not even that
booksilent: gotta kinda figure it out for myself... no worries... i've tried gaming on linux... i can use google ;)
panamaus: It was handy to have as offline reference. And it let me jumpstart when I was a noobie without being around my computer. So there's that.
booksilent: the free online resource should suffice... i like books if they're, you know... not doorstops xD
<br> smartphone ftw
<br> is what you made available to have a look at?
<br> out of curiosity
marclaporte1: <u>booksilent</u>: go ahead and buy both Smarties guides
<br> <u>panamaus</u>: Trackers is in the other book
booksilent: does the money help?
<br> i mean, that's a big motivating factor to get a copy... knowing it part-funds the project
marclaporte1: Well, the author is uber active in the Tiki community
<br> So everyone is happy if he can get some funds to spend more time on Smarties
booksilent: indirect funding... i can dig ;)
marclaporte1: and the content is all Creative Commons
<br> So when you buy, it's partly for printing / shipping cost and partly a donation really
booksilent: do you know if he has a price for both a hard and digital copy? i can only find one or the other
<br> sorry, i phrased that badly
<br> i want to give him money, and he gives me BOTH
marclaporte1: hehe
<br> I dunno the specifics
<br> http://tiki.org/Donation is if you want to donate to the association, which covers domain names, server costs, SSL
booksilent: i mean, Amazon sells them separately... i don't think capitalism has caught up with digital markets... still
marclaporte1: Can't you put both in your cart?
booksilent: ...at extra cost to me, yes
<br> i could scan the book... or print the digital copy... but i'm not insane xD
<br> well... i'll read the online one to begin with... need to slowly invest, rather than leap in
<br> got lots to think about, plan, and develop
<br> brain babies to give birth to
<br> (besides working and shiat)
<br> speaking of which, bed time :)
<br> thanks for your help ^_^
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fabricius: polom
<br> just came back home from hospital
<br> broke my left hand 3 hours ago - bycicle accident - bike still alive!
<br> so big luck!
<br> tomorrow after a meeting back to hospital - seems that I get a surgery (operation?)
<br> 6 weeks fulltime on Tiki then, but only with 5 fingers
marclaporte: your head is intact?
fabricius: yes!
<br> helmet
<br> i have to correct me ... have 6 fingers so far for the keyboard
<br> 5 1/2
<br> <u>imagine</u>: fullspeed and then 2 steel wires across
<br> landed on my breast and could barely breath for a few minutes
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Jyhem: polom
refizul: polom
Jyhem: I'm glad the head is OK
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: 5 1/2 fingers are manageable. trust me :)
<br> with practice :(
refizul: <u>fabricius</u>: hospital? broken hand? OMG? - just reading IRC backlog, and this is not the kind of news I want to hear/read
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: anything we can do? Recommend a software which makes live easier for a one hand person?
fabricius: thx, but all has bad and good sites refizul Jyhem marclaporte ... it is all a question of the perspectives feature. Ok, it hurts and I cannot work in the shop for the next few weeks, but on the other hand my timesheet is bloged for the Tiki revamp now
<br> arrgl ... roling cigarettes one handed sucks
<br> rolling
<br> myb wll spr vcls ... svs typng
<br> folding cigarettes now
refizul: no big deal from that point of view
<br> folding cigs - I cannot believe somethg is broken... :-�
fabricius: just one night approx ... NOT a comminuted fracture - just straight , but metacarpus (Mittelhand)
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<br> late evening (for me) poloms all!
refizul: hey ricks99 - o/
fabricius: hi ricks99
ricks99: hiya refizul & fabricius
fabricius: <u>ricks99</u>: will be fulltime with Tiki the next 6 weeks
ricks99: congrats!
fabricius: <u>ricks99</u>: broken pipe
ricks99: ?
fabricius: <u>ricks99</u>: metacarpus fracture left hand
ricks99: ouch
fabricius: surgery tomorrow
ricks99: can you type with left hand? ;-)
fabricius: i can type with right hand and left plaster cast
ricks99: <u>Q</u>: is there an easy way to test if the current wiki page is in a structure (by name)?
<br> The {$structure} only returns y|n
<br> I want to actually test the against the structure
<br> Was hoping for something like {if $structure_id eq '1'}.... {/if} but can't find it :(
-: ricks99 thinks everyone is asleep
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fabricius: chatting skype
<br> no idea what you want to achive ... being interested
ricks99: Found it! {$home_info.page_ref_id}
fabricius: that's structures?
ricks99: $home_info is the array for the structure and page_ref_id is the wiki page ID for the start/name of the structure
fabricius: ah yes
<br> what you want to do with it?
ricks99: need to test for specific struture. Want to conditionalize CSS
fabricius: ahhh interesting!!!
marclaporte: polom
<br> <u>ricks99</u>: where did you find {$home_info.page_ref_id} ? Smarty debug?
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<br> New install 9.2: States I need cookies enabled. Have them installed. Normal glitch out of the box? Thanx
marclaporte: <u>FCPD</u>: tks for reporting
<br> I see this very rarely, but have never been able to pinpoint why
FCPD: sure i deleted and will reinstall. i did have a space in the folder name so maybe thats why
<br> long time no chat im the train guy still poking around with the software and still like it ;) appreciate all you folks do!
marclaporte: :-)
<br> I rememeber the stories!
FCPD: removed the space and works fine maybe that's a lead
ricks99: @Marc: yup. in debug
marclaporte: <u>FCPD</u>: We have made dramatic progress on maps
<br> <u>ricks99</u>: I am glad we moved that debug to a more obvious place :-)
ricks99: me too :)
FCPD: that's why i came a calling! i work for the us government now doing foreclosure work and am wanting to take tiki for a test drive and maybe get some interest on their part
<br> the wiki will be for my company but they are looking for a viable solution under the contract
marclaporte: There was this: http://foreclosurepedia.org/
FCPD: thats me
<br> the MW application is not secure enough
marclaporte: you'll want to keep track of http://profiles.tiki.org/Cartograf
FCPD: i am wanting to take /reo and spin up tw on it
<br> ok noting it now
marclaporte: In a nutshell, it's a teaching aid for history and geography for high school teachers
<br> It lets kids make their own maps, add pictures, draw on pictures
<br> take snapshots from StreetView...
<br> So you could enter a zip code, find the house, grab a picture, draw on the picture and add data about that point
FCPD: man, see that's precisely what i'm driving at!
marclaporte: ok, go here: http://demo.tiki.org/
<br> take note of username/pass
<br> go to http://demo.tiki.org/cartograf
FCPD: heading now
marclaporte: not much doc yet, but the application is functional
FCPD: so is this something that dumps as a profile in the admin section?
<br> on a new install?
marclaporte: you could do on an existing install, but since this profile is quite invasive, it's better on a fresh install
<br> You need a Tiki10
<br> What is your timeframe?
ricks99: <u>marclaporte</u>: sent this to u the other day. https://info.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1482 did u want to follow up?
FCPD: i'm on a new install. i have a couple of months to tinker around. i am trying to push open source w/HUD as to date everything has been W*ndows and miserable
marclaporte: ricks99|away: done, thks
<br> <u>FCPD</u>: more about CartoGraf: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-10-25,Thu&sel=34#l30
FCPD: Going there thanx!
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marclaporte: polom
kstingel|away: hi marc
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<br> Hi RobertPlummer
<br> plz help for spreasheet function. its not working .. any plugin require install for it ?
<br> ???
<br> ???
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fidel_: hi - why is digest mode disabled in the devel mailinglist?
<br> i mean - digest is somehow very helpful disturbing-wise ;)
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<br> i upgrade my tikiwiki from 6 to 9.1,,,,,,,,after upgrade my tiki spreadsheet is not working.[11:53] ravi_ when click on particular speradsheet form list............it redirect to particular page like :- domainname.com/tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=146 but page blank
arildb: <u>ravi_</u>: Try to look at the Net tab in Firebug (if you have that installed). It can show what failed
ravi_: it show like :- GET tiki-view_sheets.php?sheetId=146..........500 Internal Server Error
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arildb: <u>ravi_</u>: check you permissions setting, is your .htaccess file updated?
ravi_: let's check it
<br> in upgrade tikiwiki 6 to 9.1.it's require to rename _htaccess to .htaccess?
arildb: copy, not ername
<br> s/ername/rename
ravi_: means?
<br> copy .htaccess file from old version to new version?
arildb: no, copy the new _htaccess to .htaccess (assuming you don't have any htaccess modifications...and running Apache)
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ravi_: try it but not succeed
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Tiki-KGB: tikiwiki 03arildb r43690 10branches/10.x/lib/core/Tracker/Field/Header.php
<br> tikiwiki [FIX] Avoid using header level 0
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ravi_: how to change font-family for whole tikiwiki site?
marclaporte: http://doc.tiki.org/Google+Web+Fonts
ricks99: See docs: http://doc.tiki.org/Look+and+Feel
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arildb: I am working on a Survey tracker, which contains 3 item types header, text field and text area. I see that the header description is loaded into the web page, but then hidden. How can I make the tracker header items display the description in the input form?
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Tiki-KGB: tikiwiki 03jyhem r43691 10trunk/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
<br> tikiwiki [NEW] Feature to prevent multiple simultaneous logins with the same account (useful when customers pay for access)
<br> tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43692 10branches/10.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl
<br> tikiwiki [FIX] elfinder: Sometimes (?) the field options come back as an empty string instead of 0, so test (thanks marclaporte)
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