#tikiwiki 2012-11-08,Thu

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crocket	tiki wiki has a bug regarding WYSIWYG editor, and the bug is explained on http://pastebin.com/s7CqaEzQ Test it on http://demo.tiki.org I use tiki wiki 9.	[01:14]
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crocket	marclaporte, tiki wiki has a bug regarding WYSIWYG editor, and the bug is explained on http://pastebin.com/s7CqaEzQ Test it on http://demo.tiki.org I use tiki wiki 9. Do I need to turn on the experimental feature to remove the bug? "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" is an experimental feature. I'm not sure if I should turn it on. Should I stick to one of Wiki or WYSIWYG mode?	[01:16]
luciash	do not turn it on unless you want save problems	[01:18]
crocket	ok So I should either use either Wiki or WYSIWYG mode for one page. I should use either Wiki or WYSIWYG mode for one page.	[01:19]
luciash	let me quicky quick check your problem on pastebin	[01:20]
crocket	Why can't an anoymous user use WYSIWYG editor? anonymous	[01:20]
luciash	permission ?	[01:21]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03fmg-sf r43834 10branches/10.x/permissioncheck/functions.inc.php tikiwiki [FIX] link customized request: Tiki root may differ from document root	[01:22]
luciash	crocket: it seems to work on http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage	[01:24]
crocket	luciash, Switch between wiki and WYSIWYG mode. You'll see that the simplebox is gone. Why can't I paste a sequence of dashes properly? Plus :S is converted to a smiley. OK I turned off smiley. luciash, Do you know why a sequence of dashes are pasted weirdly into WYSIWYG editor?	[01:25]
refizul	crocket: are they transformed into an html entity for one longer line?	[01:31]
crocket	????? one longer line? refizul, luciash : paste http://pastebin.com/skmAadRT into your WYSIWYG editor. You'll see what's weird.	[01:31]
refizul	something like "--" goes to − or so	[01:32]
luciash	alternatively u can use BOX plugin, see: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage	[01:33]
crocket	What the hell	[01:33]
refizul	I saw this behaviour at WordPress a few days ago, annoying I couldn't close HTML comment	[01:33]
crocket	If I turn off "Content is parsed like wiki page", I can't even use WISIWYG editor. refizul, It has to be fully WYSIWYG.	[01:33]
luciash	crocket: for anonymous edit you need to allow can modify categories permission also if you use categories	[01:35]
crocket	luciash, What about anonymous WYSIWYG editor?	[01:35]
luciash	crocket: and can swicth to wysiwyg perm too see http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage	[01:35]
crocket	Where can I set global permissions?	[01:36]
luciash	crocket: sequence of dashes means -- = ndash or --text-- strikethrough, so you need to put it in ~np~...~/np~ or CODE plugin block or HTML plugin Admin > Permissions via menu	[01:37]
crocket	luciash, So I can't paste a sequence of dashes in WYSIWYG editor? Unforunately, I don't have Permissions in Admin panel. luciash, Is a simplebox preserved after switching between wiki and WYSIWYG mode? Well The permissions are available in Admin>Security	[01:45]
luciash	it is not in admin panel but in admin menu Admin > Permissions	[02:00]
crocket	luciash, ??	[02:01]
luciash	it is in the menu	[02:01]
crocket	luciash, It's in quick admin menu.	[02:01]
luciash	submenu item	[02:01]
crocket	luciash, So how do I paste a sequence of dashes into WYSIWYG editor?	[02:03]
luciash	simplebox is vulnerable to edit mode switching, better use the BOX plugin syntax - the result is a box	[02:03]
crocket	luciash, How do I put a box plugin in WYSIWYG editor? oops	[02:04]
luciash	if u need sequence of dashes in plain text try to surround it by ~np~--~/np~	[02:05]
crocket	luciash, The purpose is to make Wiki editor unneccesary and make it easier for people to use tiki. luciash, Do I need to surround a sequence of dashes in ~np~ and ~/np~ in WYSIWYG editor?	[02:05]
luciash	i understand, it is far from perfect (the wysiwyg mode) crocket: i do not know, just tried there and it works: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage try there without np it works gotta go, bbl	[02:05]
crocket	luciash, no	[02:16]
	How can I put a box module in a WYSIWYG editor? I can't switch between wiki and WYSIWYG mode as an anonymous user.	[02:25]
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marclaporte	crocket: mixing WYSIWYG and wiki is where trouble starts :-)	[02:27]
luatdo	hi all	[02:27]
marclaporte	hi luatdo!	[02:27]
luatdo	hi marc	[02:28]
refizul	hello luatdo	[02:28]
crocket	marclaporte, How do I insert a box module in WYSIWYG? The "Insert module" dialog doesn't have "box".	[02:28]
luatdo	hi refizul	[02:28]
marclaporte	crocket: how do you do in non-WYSIWYG?	[02:29]
luatdo	can you give skype ID	[02:29]
crocket	marclaporte, I just type {BOX()} {BOX} God marclaporte, I can't paste http://pastebin.com/XxnYMady properly in tiki. In either wiki or WYSIWYG mode, it's impossible. It seems ~pre~ ~/pre~ have to surround. marclaporte, I have to surround it with ~pre~~np~ and ~/np~~/pre~. People in this company wouldn't want to learn those things. man marclaporte, how far is tiki from obtaining a stable WYSIWYG editor?	[02:29]
luatdo	joined #tikiwiki I have a bug in categories article not public will display in categories we have a idea change query sql add condition in query load categories where article.ispublishied ='y' but we can find this query who know where is it?let me know please!!thanks	[02:43]
marclaporte	crocket: If you completely avoid wiki syntax, then, it's as stable as CK Editor luatdo: in 10.x? luatdo: lphuberdeau is good person to ask this for when he comes back on IRC crocket: WYSIWYG but that maintains wiki syntax is best direction IMO because HTML becomes to messy crocket: In a few days, you'll be able to test what RobertPlummer is working on, and this will change the rules	[02:52]
luatdo	you are his skype id	[02:55]
marclaporte	crocket: when he is available,he comes here, or you can write to tiki devel mailing list but wait That feature was added by Pascal St-Jean, so technically, he must have introduced the bug (well, missing feature really) I suggested another way of doing this, but his point of view, is that this would be simpler... http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=28925 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/17480	[02:56]
luatdo	not it thanks it is a way but we see,only admin can view submission in categories	[03:01]
marclaporte	crocket: http://doc.tiki.org/WYSIWYG+vs+Wiki	[03:04]
luatdo	user can't view it we think,we can hide article not published samp submission in list article,we can hide somme artilce not published we use condition of permission	[03:04]
marclaporte	crocket: Goeff and Jonny are WYSIWYG experts crocket: did you try WYSYWIYG that maintains wiki syntax?	[03:08]
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luatdo	you there marc	[03:14]
marclaporte	I am here	[03:15]
luatdo	you are his skype id	[03:15]
marclaporte	Really, the mailing list is the way to go Everyone is looking there and likely someone will know	[03:16]
luatdo	I send mail on mailing list?	[03:17]
marclaporte	yes You can even refer to this discussion: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-11-08,Thu&sel=145#l141	[03:17]
crocket	marclaporte, The experimental feature? Somebody in this channel said there would be save problems with that feature.	[03:20]
marclaporte	I suggest you try it The whole WYSWIYG is experimental :-) The trick is to restrict what you do with it IMO, the default of CKeditor has too many tools, and each is something that can go wrong	[03:27]
crocket	marclaporte, Have you tested moinmoin's WYSIWYG editor?	[03:28]
marclaporte	not in a long long time tiki-admin_toolbars.php is where you can remove tools crocket: is it good? heh, maybe some good news: http://ckeditor.com/ckeditor-4-beta http://nightly-v4.ckeditor.com/3753/samples/inlineall.html They are working hard! https://github.com/ckeditor/ckeditor-dev/commits/master crocket: so I see moinmoin has wiki and visual mode (that maintains wiki syntax) so they don't pollute the page with HTML (This is best approach IMO) crocket: I set Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG on demo.tiki.org/9x/ luatdo: when you have a new topic for the mailing list, please start a new thread with a descriptive title	[03:30]
luatdo	how to start new thread	[03:42]
crocket	marclaporte, What if I want to paste a sequence of dashes into WYSIWYG editor?	[03:45]
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crocket	marclaporte, I can't switch between wiki and WYSIWYG mode as an anonymous user on my tiki wiki.	[03:51]
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	crocket: this works really well: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=WYSIWYG+Torture+Test	[04:54]
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crocket	marclaporte, What permission is it? marclaporte, I don't know how you tested that.	[05:11]
EO_	ermagerhd! how do you reverse a change to the <header>s? my websiiiite is now blank :/ what table holds the header data? I can edit the DB directly. tiki_preferences I see	[05:14]
marclaporte	crocket: Can switch between wiki and WYSIWYG modes while editing (tiki_p_edit_switch_mode)	[05:19]
kstingel	polom	[05:24]
EO_	ugh, wtf. updated the DB and the web server is still sending the old header. <script type="text/javascript" src="/MathJax/MathJax.js?config=TeX-AMS-MML_SVG-full" /> <script type="text/javascript" src="/d3/d3.v2.js" /> apparently terminating lines like that in the header is not good?	[05:25]
marclaporte	EO_: http://www.smarty.net/docs/en/language.function.literal.tpl	[05:34]
EO_	marclaporte: the header field is always treated literally, no? it's not the wiki section... oh, this is lower level escapaing than smarty	[05:35]
kstingel	what file would I need to edit (replace with own) to get Tiki to use Unicode Entities instead of HTML entities when outputting content?	[05:36]
EO_	err than wiki marclaporte: good tip, but in this case, these are script references. So that's a whole nother HTTP call, and won't even be intercepted by smarty/tiki. No need to escape.	[05:36]
marclaporte	can you demonstrate problem on demo.tiki.org ?	[05:38]
kstingel	... Entities like "®" will not validate as "polyglot" or XHTML (required for ePub writer script) marclaporte: me, or EO_?	[05:38]
marclaporte	EO_: both :;-) http://doc.tiki.org/MathJax worked...	[05:39]
EO_	marclaporte: MathJax works fine. It's the 2nd one I added which killed stuff. For some reason. marclaporte: but right now my web host is holding a MySQL query cache that is out of date. it's still serving the old header data :/	[05:40]
kstingel	I can't ... because I don't have anything to demonstrate yet ... I'm stepping through my (immediate) validation issues manually	[05:41]
marclaporte	EO_: can you explain what you will do with https://github.com/mbostock/d3 ?	[05:42]
EO_	marclaporte: I'm trying to find a good function graphing package. I'm not sure if D3 is it, but I was gonna try it out. I need to graph 2 functions on 1 graph, "y=x" and "y=1/((1/x)+(1/5000))"	[05:42]
crocket	marclaporte, I don't see that permission under wiki permissions. ok It's a tiki permission. marclaporte, A simple box is lost during switch between WYSIWYG and wiki mode.	[05:44]
EO_	marclaporte: tiki needs a command-line or fail-safe-URL "reverse the last action" button =)	[05:47]
marclaporte	EO_: keep me in the loop about d3 I think we should have native Tiki solution for this	[05:48]
EO_	marclaporte: do you know of any native/better supported/more official/more popular function graphing modules? I'm publishing some engineering work and have had to write code to serve circuits in SVG properly, and pulled in that MathJax JS for the mathematical expressions....now this graphing this is the next challenge.	[05:49]
marclaporte	EO_: https://dev.tiki.org/Visualization	[05:49]
EO_	k wtf. admins flushed tables, but tiki is still serving the old content. marclaporte: is there some internal DB cache in PHP you guys are using? does apache need to be restarted?	[05:50]
marclaporte	EO_: run php installer/shell.php	[05:51]
EO_	what did THAt do this better not have reset the DB well, it fixed it wtf did I just do =)	[05:51]
marclaporte	it upgrades the DB, if needed, and it clears all cache	[05:52]
EO_	require_once 'lib/cache/cachelib.php'; $cachelib->empty_cache(); you SNEAKY monkeys!	[05:52]
marclaporte	hahahahhahahahha	[05:52]
EO_	you keep cache on the file system?!	[05:53]
marclaporte	yes	[05:56]
EO_	EO_ fears adding d3.v2.js again to the headers.	[05:56]
marclaporte	Smarty template cache, and some in temp	[05:56]
EO_	HA! I just broke demo.tiki.org :) http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php cheggit it's that damn /> terminator on the script line! you MUST use <script></script>	[05:59]
marclaporte	"Tiki needs a command-line or fail-safe-URL "reverse the last action" button =)" http://dev.tiki.org/Recovery is what I have in mind for that, but for now, you can re-run tiki-install.php which lets you (re)set some prefs, and it also clears the caches at the last step	[06:05]
EO_	marclaporte: good to see its on the drawing map. Just be sure to ignore any HTML header preferences the user might have set. marclaporte: in other news, can I give you SVG plugin code?	[06:07]
marclaporte	marclaporte will fix demo.tiki.org/9x/ http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-install.php?install_step=6&lang=en is not letting me fix	[06:08]
EO_	EO_ did not change DB settings	[06:13]
marclaporte	EO_: yes, please share SVG code	[06:13]
EO_	doesn't the demo reset automatically every hour? marclaporte: it's not very good code, but it's still more useful (to me) than what was there before. :q woops marclaporte: http://pastebin.com/SjS3jX4p <-- it'll expire in 1 hour it does server-side inlining and fixes common SVG problems (such as not setting a viewBox) on the fly it also allows for scaling of the images it would be better if it supported attId= and friends, and didn't use HTTP for getting local files marclaporte: plz do not credit me / my nick with anything. totally anonymous submission to you. =)	[06:13]
marclaporte	hehe EO_: Did you play with doc.tiki.org/Draw ?	[06:18]
EO_	yeah, I've looked at Draw. It's MSPaint =) I need scientific graphing labels, error bars, scales, feed it actual functions, zooming, etc	[06:23]
marclaporte	did you look at doc.tiki.org/PluginR	[06:30]
EO_	! did not you guys support R. wow.	[06:30]
marclaporte	http://doc.tiki.org/PluginR	[06:32]
EO_	R is all about statistics last I checked. Does it do functions? the common product of statistics is charts, not graphs :/ oh it has a plot() done. good. =)	[06:32]
marclaporte	where is your data stored?	[06:33]
EO_	there's no data to be graphed it's a function https://www.google.com/search?q=graph+x%2C1%2F((1%2Fx)%2B(1%2F5000))&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS461US461&oq=graph+x%2C1%2F((1%2Fx)%2B(1%2F5000))&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS461US461&sclient=psy-ab&q=graph+x%5E3&oq=graph+x%5E3&gs_l=serp.3..0l4.29200.29717.0.29836.3.3.0.0.0.0.95.266.3.3.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.ezeVxhuGo3s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=87441a1dbec92dd2&b ^^^ something like that	[06:33]
marclaporte	http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+jq	[06:34]
EO_	google has a nice graphing viewer :)	[06:34]
crocket	marclaporte, A simple box is lost during switch between WYSIWYG and wiki mode even with "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" checked.	[06:34]
marclaporte	crocket: I will try	[06:36]
crocket	And how do I change the main page? "Use custom homepage" setting is ignored.	[06:37]
marclaporte	look in admin -> wiki -> home page	[06:37]
crocket	marclaporte, What is admin->general->navigation->"Use custom hompage"? A vestige?	[06:39]
marclaporte	EO_: http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-admin.php?page=look is back For some reason, it choked on <script type="text/javascript" src="/MathJax/MathJax.js?config=TeX-AMS-MML_SVG-full" /> in Custom HTML <head> Content: crocket: yes, a vestige	[06:39]
crocket	marclaporte, !!!	[06:40]
EO_	EO_ studies R	[06:40]
crocket	marclaporte, Is "Use Tiki feature as homepage" ignored, too?	[06:40]
marclaporte	crocket: tiki-custom_home.php is from the days from before you could do advanced stuff in wiki pages	[06:41]
crocket	marclaporte, Is it removed in 10.x?	[06:41]
marclaporte	There is also an HTML pages feature that should be deprecated no, still there. It's tough to remove these things. Need upgrade path and no took the time EO_: when you have custom CSS and JS, you can put in respective dedicated spots in admin panel	[06:41]
crocket	marclaporte, And it's not easy to discover the fact with documentation. You should focus on documentation if upgrade is not easy.	[06:43]
marclaporte	crocket: agreed step 1 : mark feature as deprecated for a few versions to give people the time to stop using step 2: after an LTS, remove it	[06:43]
EO_	> curve(1*x, -2, 2) > curve(x, -2, 2) Error in eval(expr, envir, enclos) : could not find function "x" R is weird the 1st curve() works, the 2nd does not	[06:45]
crocket	marclaporte, It's a good idead to display a deprecated mark beside each deprecated feature in admin panel. marclaporte, Do you know where is the option for table of contents for each wiki page?	[06:47]
marclaporte	{maketoc} http://doc.tiki.org/PluginMaketoc	[06:54]
	crocket: I am not aware that it can automatic for each wiki page (but maybe by putting in a module?)	[07:04]
EO_	marclaporte: PluginR looks to be a winner. just finished compiling it on the web server. let's see if this works to produce SVG :) curve(y<-x, -2, 2) <-- and that's how you plot just f(x)=x err if you get rid of the minus sign :) wait crap no, that's an arrow. keep as is	[07:05]
crocket	marclaporte, How can I put that module in every page?	[07:06]
EO_	EO_ is new @ this	[07:06]
marclaporte	crocket: you can't put in every page, but you can put in a module, which appears all the time There is maybe a pref to make tocs always appear..	[07:09]
crocket	marclaporte, Maybe there should be a header for every page. And even footer?	[07:09]
kstingel	where do I find the snippet that controls external links? ... need to make a minor edit to achieve validation ... 'title' and 'alt' text need to different -- I achieved this by simply removing the brackets on one of them ... working with branches/9.x at this point (that is my current test Tiki), but can also change in trunk if desired	[07:10]
crocket	marclaporte, Did you test if tiki preserves a simplebox after switching between two modes?	[07:14]
EO_	what's the click path (through GUI) to get to tiki-mods.php ?	[07:14]
crocket	maketoc is buggy. {maketoc: title="Contents" levels=1,2,3,4,5,6 showhide=y nums=y } displays only one header when there are multiple headers on the page.	[07:19]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03marclaporte r43835 10branches/ 1010.x/templates/admin/include_general.tpl 1010.x/lib/prefs/global.php tikiwiki Copying over all 'home page' relevant prefs to the navigation section of the admin panel. It is quite confusing because there are two features for 'custom home page', one that lets you pick any URL and one which sends you to tiki-custom_home.php (which could very be just a URL) Thank you to 'crocket' for very relevant questions on IRC. I don't like/get why we have all tikiwikithese prefs. It could all be simplifed to one URL box and like in menus, if it's in ((wikidestination)) format, Tiki knows it's a wiki page for cleanURLs and page rename handling, like for menus	[07:20]
EO_	crocket: don't you wanna quote the levels value?	[07:20]
crocket	EO_, doesn't matter. marclaporte, Do you have any idea about maketoc? Somehow h3 headers were assigned to the class "showhide_heading"	[07:20]
marclaporte	crocket: that last commit is dedicated to you. You just made Tiki10 better: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki?view=revision&revision=43835	[07:24]
crocket	headers in those classes were excluded in maketoc.	[07:24]
marclaporte	crocket: can you show maketoc issue on demo.tiki.org?	[07:24]
crocket	marclaporte, ok marclaporte, How can I assign a class to a header? marclaporte, I copied a page from mediawiki. marclaporte, http://demo.tiki.org/9x/tiki-index.php?page=HomePag	[07:24]
marclaporte	crocket: /me confirms issue with simple box, but suggests http://doc.tiki.org/PluginBox	[07:35]
crocket	marclaporte, class="showhide_heading" were assigned to invisible headers. were -> was	[07:35]
marclaporte	I need sleep more tomorrow EO_: There is a link from tiki-admin.php to mods but is not obvious as mods have almost nothing interesting left we all moved to core PluginR is an exception	[07:36]
crocket	marclaporte, If any of <header> and its subtags have any id or class, maketoc doesn't display it.	[07:44]
	marclaporte, I think it is not at the point where stupid people are able to use it. or non-tech people well it is a problem with pasted headers.	[07:56]
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	Can't reliably determine, if your upload_tmp_dir is accessible via a web browser. To make sure you should check your webserver config. How do I remove this warning?	[08:33]
EO_	man, "R" is a terrible language name makes it impossible to find settings/source code $path = array('/usr/bin/', '/usr/local/bin/', '/bin/'); wow, nice hardcoded paths, PluginR guys	[08:34]
crocket	anyone?	[08:39]
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EO_	oh shoot, PHP is prolly doing a chroot	[08:45]
crocket	EO_, ???	[08:47]
EO_	Does tiki do a chroot?	[08:47]
crocket	EO_, Is that a remark regarding my question?	[08:47]
EO_	no =)	[08:47]
crocket	I don't know.	[08:47]
EO_	EO_ is having his own problems with PluginR	[08:47]
	the caching of tiki is confusing EO_ has edited the behavior of wikiplugin_rr.php to better diagnose why it can't find "R", but the new code is not running oh. it seems there are 2 copies of PluginR present!	[08:53]
arildb	EO_: You may want to contact xavi, when he comes online. I think he has been dealing quite a bit with the R plugin	[08:57]
EO_	nah, this'll be solved in 30 sec I found the 2nd copy of the code tadaa, R ran. Having R is a big win for tiki, BTW. I hope you guys realize that.	[08:57]
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EO_	R+SVG = total fail	[09:03]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03arildb r43836 10trunk/ 10lib/structures/structlib.php 10templates/structures_toc-leaf.tpl tikiwiki [FIX] New Hide namespace indicator pref should also cover the toc plugin	[09:06]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03xavidp r43837 10branches/10.x/templates/tiki-admingroups.tpl tikiwiki [FIX]Usability: make more clear that the drop down and form is for adding users to group or banning them. Otherwise, when no banned uysers yet, it seems to be at the section to ban them only tikiwiki 03xavidp r43838 10branches/9.x/templates/tiki-admingroups.tpl tikiwiki [bp/r43837][FIX]Usability: make more clear that the drop down and form is for adding users to group or banning them. Otherwise, when no banned uysers yet, it seems to be at the section to ban them only	[09:08]
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crocket	I'm not so hot.	[09:52]
EO_	This R plugin is pretty handy, but seems like it needs some work. Gotta support SVG generation. Gotta support Unicode. Would be nice if the graphs were interactive. Gotta be able to label both vertical axes. gnuplot almost seems like a better candidate here.	[09:58]
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Jyhem_laptop	polom EO_: R + svg was not working for xavi, so it seems he fixed something related in trunk, 9 and 10 in commits 43766 43765 & 43764	[10:40]
xavi	polom xavi reading the backlog	[10:45]
Jyhem_laptop	xavi: you might soon feel less lonely as an R expert :)	[10:45]
xavi	thks Jyhem_laptop for the ping :-)	[10:45]
EO_	aRRRRR!	[10:46]
xavi	EO_: :-) Unicode? works for me...	[10:46]
EO_	rly? I tried to put an ohm symbol and it no workie.	[10:46]
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EO_	the SVG fixes...I guess you just fixed the export?	[10:46]
xavi	graphs interactive? "yes , you can!": demo http://r-es.org/r_test6 if you can do it in R, you can do it thorugh Plugin R that's the idea ohm symbol, ah, I understand what you mean...	[10:47]
EO_	this interactive thing looks like SVG output right to the web page.	[10:48]
xavi	mmm, would it work in your local R editor? svg? :-) see this: http://r-es.org/r_test6#Section_4 more than just svg googleVIs rocks!	[10:48]
EO_	works locally	[10:48]
xavi	which editor and OS are you using? (to test)	[10:48]
EO_	what is google vis? is that what comes up when you google "graph 1/x" ? RGui 32-bit on Server 2008R2	[10:49]
xavi	googleVIs R-package	[10:49]
EO_	xavi: where do you live, roughly?	[10:49]
xavi	http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/googleVis/index.html EO_: Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain, EU, ... EO_: and you?	[10:49]
EO_	ah. Seattle, Washington, USA EO_ has to go to bed :/ Thu Nov 8 01:50:25 PST 2012 meeting @ 9AM	[10:50]
xavi	ok, nice to see people using PluginR there :-) ah, ok, g'night soon then :-)	[10:50]
EO_	xavi: I will definitely keep in touch, and explore the links you gave me. Really trying to establish a good suite of vector gaphics publishing tools here, and PluginR looks very promising.	[10:51]
xavi	thanks! EO_: do you code in php also?	[10:51]
EO_	https://www.hamwan.org/t/tiki-index.php?page=Electrical+Network+Tolerance+Analysis&structure=HamWAN ^^^ you're part of this pretty web page PluginR is doing all the graphs MathJax is doing all the math and CircuitLab + my custom PHP is doing all the circuit diagrams hehe	[10:51]
xavi	:-D and Jyhem_laptop, and many others in this irc channel, then (many people helped to make PluginR :-)	[10:52]
EO_	xavi: yea, I know PHP. I had to mod the module already :P $path = array('/home/hamwanor/usr/bin/', '/usr/bin/', '/usr/local/bin/', '/bin/'); that should be user-definable	[10:52]
xavi	:-)	[10:53]
EO_	anyways EO_ vanishes to sleep-land	[10:53]
xavi	:-D, yes, please, keep in touch. keep in mind that we created a pluginr specific forum in t.o forums section... let me fetch the url for you.... http://tiki.org/forum24 and fyi, EO_, I'm planning to hold a workshop on Tiki & PluginR in the next UseR!2013	[10:53]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: 'Save as svg' export fixed - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=24&comments_parentId=45559	[11:22]
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Guest62854	anyone have knowledge of how to enable chat functionality for register user?	[12:58]
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crocket	Is it possible to run a program that generates a table output? I don't want to write tables with hands. I want to automatically generate them.	[13:12]
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RobertPlummer	polom all anyone here know if nesting a <div/> directly inside a <ul/> is valid html? all: it runs fine in chrome and firefox. Testing in IE8+....	[14:32]
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RobertPlummer	all: drat, the only valid child of <ul/> is<li/> apparently.... a google search.	[14:36]
crocket	Does tiki allow scripts?	[14:48]
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fabricius	hi luatdo you did write to the dev list this morning?	[15:01]
luatdo	hi fabricius yes,I do it	[15:07]
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xavi	polom back Guest62854: yes, use chat module, or the extra mod for phpfreechat, etc. crocket: you can use plugin trackerlist (to displai tracker - database like - data easily in a table output) .... crocket: or pluginfancytable (for hand made tables but fancy display, sorted data by columns in the browser at user click, etc. crocket: or using the pipe command for tables, to do simple table by hand crocket: additionally, there are popup helpers for tables (Tabler Builder), or using wysiwyg plugin, etc. last, using spreadsheet feature, and plugin sheet crocket: welcome to Tiki :-) crocket: scripts. Php scripts: you can add them as plugins. see http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World or R scripts: see https://doc.tiki.org/PluginR ok, back to non-tiki stuff... see you all left #tikiwiki	[15:19]
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fabricius	luatdo: I am the guy who answered your 2 mails I feel that there are chances, that your issue is a configuration issue	[15:51]
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alzoo	I have a little question with regard to how files are uploaded to file galleries and in which order, it seems to be random and I would liek to confim if this could be changed somewhere so they are upload in order. thi shas to do when unzipping a zip file	[16:35]
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refizul	alzoo: you mean batch upload?	[17:32]
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alzoo	hello? anyone around? hi refizul, I do mean batch upload you add and zip file and click the option unzip zip files	[17:54]
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alzoo	if I add screenshots that a save with filenames that are in order 01,02,03,04, etc, zip them and add them to a gallery, they are unzipped and given a fileID at random, thus instead of simply incrementing the file ID by typing in the number while editing the page, I have to manually click on the insert file button to find the next in sequence screenshot, very time consuming... in other words the allocation if the fileID (which is in order) is not applied in order relative to the files (which are saved in order) in the zip file. how can this be configured to do so. I can add 7 at a time in order in the image galleries, however this feature is being done away with..	[18:01]
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luciash	RobertPlummer: yes, only valid child of ul is li but you can put div in the li or imitate div by transforming li to block element with no bullet using CSS	[18:20]
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kstingel\|coding	how do I prevent parsing of tiki syntax in {CODE()} somecode --code-option{CODE}? ... my code options are being struck out and written in red all my code examples now look horribly wrong http://tiki.kstingel.com/Getting+Tiki	[19:53]
Bsfez	luciash: u on ?	[19:56]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03marclaporte r43839 10branches/10.x/lib/prefs/feature.php tikiwiki Improve name of feature_endbody_code pref to make it more explicit. Thank you to Hugo Laporte for this advice	[20:02]
RobertPlummer	kstingel\|coding: Use ~np~CODE HERE~/np~ {CODE()} ~np~somecode --code-option~/np~{CODE} should work	[20:07]
kstingel\|coding	RobertPlummer: I tried that ... and all the ~np~ ~/np~ came up in the code blocks	[20:08]
RobertPlummer	kstingel\|coding: What version of tiki?	[20:09]
kstingel\|coding	9.2 ... from branches/9.x, not from tags/9.2	[20:09]
RobertPlummer	kstingel\|coding: I don't have a solution for you. If you were in 10 or trunk, I'd say use the new parser. kstingel\|coding: You can try the new parser in 9, but I wouldn't for a production site.	[20:12]
kstingel\|coding	RobertPlummer: I already have ... it struck out my entire page ... I switched it off again and all seemed OK, but now that I've finished the page, something has gone weird I'll see if the new parser will debug the presentation on local server, if it does, I'll upgrade tiki.kstingel.com to 10	[20:15]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43840 10branches/10.x/lib/core/Services/Tracker/Controller.php tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Catch itemId not set on clone_item tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r43841 10branches/ 0310.x/img/overlay-25.png 0310.x/img/overlay-50.png 0310.x/img/overlay-40.png tikiwiki [MOD] some more semi-transparent background graphics - for use in galleriffic plugin etc	[20:28]
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kstingel\|coding	RobertPlummer: I swiched the "--" to "−−" (from char map), that seems to have fixed the strike outs ... bash comments still look wrong, but I can live with that ... at least it hasn't tried to number them	[20:46]
RobertPlummer	:)	[20:46]
kstingel\|coding	RobertPlummer: does your parser use HTML entities, or decimal/unicode entities? ... I need to fall-back to - (hyphen) for XHTML validation, just wondering which parser would be best suited for it :)	[20:51]
RobertPlummer	kstingel\|coding: Whatever the database has. The new parser has a special character handler for situations like that. But would be easy to handle that use case.	[20:52]
kstingel\|coding	or wondering if there's an exising HTML to XHTML entity mapping I can call for non XHTML-legal entities	[20:53]
RobertPlummer	I think you can try ~--~ too	[20:53]
kstingel\|coding	everything with ~ was showing in code block .. I'm thinking ahead, for parsing TikiSyntax back into (valid) XHTML for packaging to ePub ... I visualise running into entity encoding dramas at present	[20:55]
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kstingel\|coding	previously (ePub 2.0) the DAISY namespace handled all that, but DAISY is no longer valid for ePub 3.0 will do some more research, and see what I can come up with by Christmas ... will branches/10.x rollout be finished by then?	[20:57]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03nkoth r43842 10branches/10.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_customsearch.php tikiwiki [FIX] Array key was getting messed up causing recalllastsearch feature to break inconsistently as it depends on it for fieldid tikiwiki 03nkoth r43843 10branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_customsearch.php tikiwiki [bp/r43842][FIX] Array key was getting messed up causing recalllastsearch feature to break inconsistently as it depends on it for fieldid	[21:04]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: help with pictures comments - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=45561	[21:50]
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dekuking	joined #tikiwiki hi guys, just updated from 8.x to 9.2 and im having some problems my logo is only showing when im logged in as admin and i cant seem to customize my theme any idea what causing this?	[22:06]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: need help with bug in picture plugin - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=24&comments_parentId=45562	[22:10]
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luciash	dekuking: go to Modules and assign the Anonymous group to the module containing the logo	[23:40]
dekuking	i got that one to work somehow, but custom themes is really not working i change the colour of something and see it change in the instant preview and then press save and it resets back to the old color this is how you do it right? http://i.imgur.com/9Hezr.png	[23:41]
luciash	right	[23:44]

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