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[01:34] fabricius polom
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[01:54] refizul hello fabricius
[01:55] fabricius hello refizul
[01:55] fabricius say, did you already vote?
[01:55] fabricius Today is the last day to vote for Tiki as "Best Free CMS" of the 2012 Critic's Choice CMS Awards. Please vote now: http://list.ly/list/1wJ-best-free-cms
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[02:32] refizul Tiki vs XOOPS is +9 again?!
[02:35] marclaporte I sent a few emails :-)
[02:36] marclaporte I don't know what campaign they did but Xoops has a significant community and their score was increasing steadily
[02:40] refizul yeah . but they were only 3rd 24h ago
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[02:59] fabricius + 10 now
[03:00] refizul a miracle
[03:01] refizul when does the vote end? 12pm UTC?
[03:02] fabricius refizul: no not a miracle, but marclaporte's hard work for us all ... as said, he wrote a fe emails
[03:02] fabricius marclaporte: what time and date (UTC) ends? I do not find on the website.
[03:04] fabricius October 12, 2012 to November 11, 2012: Voting occurs.
[03:07] refizul Nov 11 due to which timezone? all?
[03:08] refizul so till 11:59 pm +1200, I guess - what do you think?
[03:09] refizul fabricius: did you notice the scheduled article do not disappear from info.t.o?
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[03:15] termitor hello,
[03:15] termitor someone can help me about google map on tikiwiki 11 ?
[03:16] refizul hi - tiki 11? Tiki 10 isn't released yet ;-)
[03:17] termitor sorry or 9, where see the version ?
[03:17] termitor and what it the solution ? (sorry my english is bad)
[03:19] fabricius refizul: no
[03:20] fabricius termitor: you can see in /tiki-admin.pgp?page=general or so
[03:20] fabricius termitor: solution for which problem?
[03:21] termitor {GOOGLEMAP(type=item, mode=hybrid, key=XXXXX, name=test, width=500, height=400, frameborder=1|0, defaultx=-79.4, defaulty=43.707, defaultz=14, setdefaultxyz=1|0, locateitemtype=wiki page|..., locateitemid=xxx, hideifnone=0|1, togglehidden=0|1, starthidden=0|1, autozoom=14)}{GOOGLEMAP}
[03:27] fabricius maybe a problem with the api key ... I actually do not know, if the plugin uses the flash api or the javascript api - v2 or v3
[03:27] fabricius https://developers.google.com/maps/signup?hl=de
[03:27] lindonb i believe it uses the v2
[03:29] termitor the documentation no so clear
[03:29] marclaporte termitor: related: http://profiles.tiki.org/Cartograf
[03:29] marclaporte bbl
[03:29] fabricius lindonb: google strongly recommends v3 - would we have to adjust/recode the plugin then?
[03:30] lindonb yes we would
[03:31] lindonb however all coding effort is going to streetmaps
[03:31] lindonb collaborative alternative to googlemaps
[03:33] fabricius refizul: I think we should take care a bit more about the up-to-dateness Tiki news article section ... maybe Rick would appreciate some support ... branching of 10 is not mentioned yet and the next webinar surely is not in October
[03:35] termitor lindonb streetmaps, tiki have a plugins?
[03:35] refizul the webinar should have disappeared automatically as far as I understand
[03:36] refizul fabricius: so something is buggy at info.t.o
[03:37] fabricius refizul: maybe a setting issue? ... checking the setting, but we leave it and mention to Rick ... he is the man of the news
[03:38] refizul I don't understand yet what is wrong, and I do not know Tiki 6
[03:38] refizul But the calendar module is buggy, too - as in Tiki 9
[03:39] lindonb termitor: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginMap
[03:39] lindonb just type {map} in a page and you'll see
[03:39] fabricius refizul: type "event" is set to be visible after expiry date, so it is visible due to being set visible
[03:40] lindonb it's actually called OpenStreetMap
[03:40] fabricius refizul: if you want to know why and if you want to suggest to change, I suggest to ask Rick
[03:42] refizul I suppose I've detected a memory leak in etherape - it's consuming 900M+ right now. Horrorshow.
[03:43] refizul fabricius: an article about upcoming webinar is more urgent
[03:45] fabricius what's etherape?
[03:46] refizul fabricius: etherape is a graphical viewer for network traffic
[03:53] fabricius ah refizul
[03:54] fabricius lindonb: map plugin not fully working in my Tiki10 ... might be a config-error <-> any bug known?
[03:55] lindonb does {map} work?
[03:58] fabricius the plugin shows a map and I have few controls, but the system does not trigger the search for an adress - anyay I can search and find my location
[03:58] fabricius zoom does not work and I cannot move the map
[03:59] lindonb there's not a search location link at the bottom of the map?
[03:59] fabricius no switching the layers - just a static map of the world (like a picture) or a map of 300 km around my location
[03:59] fabricius there IS a search dialogue and I CAN type inmy adress in the popup
[04:00] fabricius after applying nothing happens but a reload of the page to the same static map image
[04:01] refizul I wrote the article
[04:01] fabricius hmm clearing caches lindonb
[04:01] fabricius thx refizul
[04:01] lindonb fabricius: yes, same for me
[04:01] refizul publish it or review first by someone?
[04:01] lindonb used to work
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[04:03] fabricius lindonb: static map image still ... you confirm the behaviour in Tiki10?
[04:03] fabricius if yes, we found a second blocker
[04:03] lindonb yes, confirm your behaviour in 10
[04:04] fabricius grrml - hoped it would be a config problem
[04:05] refizul I lost connection to info.t.o
[04:05] fabricius btw lindon, I wanted to use our osm for usermap ... anyidea howto? did not use after I tested about 2 or 3 years ago with google maps
[04:06] fabricius refizul: dito - how you crashed it?
[04:06] fabricius refizul: :-D
[04:07] refizul I didn't - I saved the article and checked with another browser where I wasn't logged in
[04:07] refizul it's back
[04:07] fabricius just kidding
[04:08] fabricius ah yes - back for me aswell ... maybe just lagged
[04:08] refizul error - not logged in
[04:09] fabricius I am still logged in
[04:09] refizul need to be published (checkbox) - wnat to review first?
[04:09] fabricius ok
[04:09] refizul s/wnat/want/
[04:12] fabricius refizul: found one typo, kept it in the pocket and published
[04:12] refizul Event, not article -- and expiration added
[04:13] fabricius args did not check THAT ... just the text - thx for double check
[04:13] refizul you published?
[04:13] refizul then I overrided - pleasecheck typo again
[04:14] lindonb fabricius: don't know offhand, would need to look at docs
[04:15] fabricius hey, why did you took the typo ack from me ... now I keep it
[04:15] refizul I corrected Event and expiration with a copy with the typo - sorry
[04:16] refizul Do you publish - or shall I?
[04:16] fabricius lindonb: not thus important now ... will check the docs another day myself, but in the end it must work 9.3 and 10.0 beta - at leat 10.0 final
[04:17] lindonb doesn't seem to be working in 9x
[04:17] fabricius refizul: just ok now, as I have it back. just have been wondering ;-)
[04:18] refizul I wonder which typo - most stuff was c&p
[04:19] fabricius lindonb refizul : I fear a bit too fast development of new features, if we frequently face lacks in core features and general important features ... or maybe simply a lack of tracking the bugs
[04:20] lindonb i agree
[04:20] fabricius anyway things are developing in respect of bugtracking anyway
[04:20] lindonb extends to documentation as well
[04:20] refizul once I understand the structure I can participate to fix bugs
[04:20] fabricius maybe we need responsible persons per feature or so
[04:21] fabricius refizul: that would be very cool
[04:21] lindonb map works in 8x
[04:22] refizul but this will take some time - I didn't make efforts with the encryption yet.
[04:22] fabricius besides my personal projects in respect of the development of the consultance business I have a certain focus towards tiki
[04:22] refizul fabricius: did you fix typo and republish again?
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[04:23] fabricius website revamp - marketing strategy - consistency - filling holes in between core features
[04:24] fabricius refizul: yes indeed - I told you that I took the typo back into my pocket ... didn't I
[04:24] fabricius refizul: it was just a "to" missing in the last sentense
[04:24] fabricius mostlikely a running typo due to c/p
[04:25] refizul still there? it's published now
[04:27] luatdo hi refizul
[04:30] refizul hello luatdo
[04:33] fabricius refizul: yes, I published and I took the typo out a second time .. finished and thx for writing
[04:34] Tiki|bot Info: Next Tiki Webinar to be held on November 15 - http://info.tiki.org/article205-Next-Tiki-Webinar-to-be-held-on-November-15
[04:34] * fabricius needs to get some food - hungry big time
[04:35] fabricius refizul: siehgst?
[04:35] refizul siehgst?
[04:35] fabricius refizul: Tiki bot has spoken ... hast gsehn mein I
[04:36] fabricius argl, kimmscht ja vo avi links
[04:36] refizul yes - and I see the missing word when I compare with October
[04:37] refizul are you from Scotland? :-�
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[04:38] fabricius hehe
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[04:47] luatdo hi marc
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[04:51] fabricius hi marc
[04:54] luatdo hi fabricius
[04:57] fabricius hi luatdo
[04:57] fabricius lindon, just saw that you have committed to blog feature recently
[04:58] lindonb really?
[04:58] fabricius I have a massive regression (or two) related to blogs in Tiki 10
[04:58] fabricius not you?
[04:58] lindonb don't remember doing anything on blogs for a while
[04:58] fabricius rechecking, maybe I mixed the date or the name
[04:59] lindonb could have been fixing notices
[05:00] fabricius yes ... you have been the last one with a few commits in trunk ... october, so it is 10 now
[05:00] lindonb ok, what is the regression?
[05:01] fabricius maybe you see a short description on the 10er regression page ... just added after your post
[05:01] lindonb ok, will take a look
[05:01] fabricius thx
[05:01] fabricius I go there to collect my typos in the meantime
[05:08] fabricius bbl
[05:09] marclaporte 108 vs 107 votes
[05:09] fabricius|shower ui
[05:10] fabricius|shower we need more
[05:10] fabricius|shower my people I could ask are still sleeping
[05:11] fabricius|shower I try in an hour or so ... how long will stay open?
[05:12] marclaporte It finished today but I don't what time that means :-)
[05:12] fabricius|shower that's the point
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[05:32] refizul gna - -1 vote
[05:33] refizul strange - I'm more interested in this vote than in the US election last week. What does this tell me?
[05:33] marclaporte hahahhahahha
[05:33] luciash lol
[05:34] marclaporte It has more impact on your life?  :-) :-)
[05:37] marclaporte I don't remember seeing them
[05:37] refizul klick at "who votes" XOOPS - there are 10 fake accounts?!
[05:38] marclaporte hahahahaha
[05:38] refizul Joe-Doe Joe-Doe-1 ... Joe-Doe-9
[05:38] marclaporte and not the most subtle :-)
[05:39] marclaporte Let's just continue to get legitimate votes
[05:39] refizul this must me investigated by the supreme court
[05:39] luciash lol, US court
[05:39] marclaporte There will be a recount! hahahaha
[05:39] fabricius|shower marclaporte: stefan is trying now
[05:39] refizul But only in Florida!
[05:40] marclaporte I sent a bunch of emails late in the day, and people are voting!
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[05:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Fix regression from r43321 causing edit area not to show when creating a blog post (thanks fabricius).
[05:42] marclaporte they are getting creative   desperate?  https://twitter.com/crqrgvuhup
[05:42] fabricius|shower lindonb: THX that is half of a blockerfixed!
[05:43] lindonb how to test category problem?
[05:43] fabricius|shower switch on the category feature and create or edit a blogpost or edit a blog ... saving should give you an error message
[05:43] luciash the voting system is bad
[05:44] lindonb ok, let me check
[05:44] fabricius|shower if not, tonight I will provide you with access to the private site and error messages
[05:46] lindonb i turned on categories and saved a post and it worked okay
[05:46] lindonb do i need to categorize the post?
[05:46] refizul crqrgvuhup didn't tweet yet
[05:48] refizul Supreme Court decision: the winner of the Best Free CMS public vote is: George W. Bush
[05:48] fabricius|shower hmm I did categorise and uncategorise the blog
[05:49] fabricius|shower lindonb: need to shower (still) and have to go out for the day ... I will svn up, recheck and coe back to you in the evening, ok?
[05:49] fabricius|shower /s/coe/come
[05:50] lindonb sounds good
[05:50] lindonb i categorized and then uncategorized a blog post and it works okay
[05:50] fabricius|shower multilingual?
[05:50] fabricius|shower I check if I find the erormessage before I go to bath
[05:51] lindonb okay let me know
[05:51] lindonb will be back on tomorrow evening NY time
[05:52] lindonb turned on multilingual and still okay
[05:56] fabricius|shower did send you the error message in query (too long for here)
[05:56] fabricius|shower bbl
[06:00] marclaporte refizul: lol
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[07:29] fabricius|shower jim smith, john warm ... arrgl
[07:30] fabricius|shower I got a few guys to vote, but they have a fake account maker
[07:30] fabricius|shower it is not a matter of them having a strong community
[07:40] marclaporte don't worry
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[07:58] kstingel polom
[07:59] kstingel marclaporte: have you had a chance to play with the show Tikis yet?
[08:02] fabricius hi kstingel have you voted yet?
[08:02] kstingel fabricius: voted???
[08:04] fabricius http://list.ly/list/1wJ-best-free-cms kstingel
[08:04] fabricius Tiki need you NOW!
[08:04] fabricius :-)
[08:06] kstingel I think I did ... trying to login now to see if the "vote" button becomes available
[08:14] kstingel http://list.ly/list/2Hx-most-actively-developed-cms biggrin that one needs votes too
[08:41] marclaporte hehe
[08:50] kstingel marclaporte: no giggles from non-voters! :-P... we're still only one vote in front of the pack
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[11:35] Guest24368 i update my tikiwiki 6.6 to tiki 7 my spreadsheet working but when i update my tikiwiki 7 to 8,8 and 10 my spreadsheet not working.
[11:35] Guest24368 how to resolve my error?
[11:55] refizul 5min left
[11:55] refizul last chance to vote
[12:00] refizul 00:00 UTC
[12:00] refizul no - more one hour?
[12:01] refizul Last hour to vote...
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[13:40] RobertPlummer polom all
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[13:53] fabricius lla wolod RobertPlummer
[13:53] fabricius refizul: r u there?
[13:53] fabricius refizul: need to chat with you
[14:03] RobertPlummer fabricius: I'm here
[14:03] RobertPlummer anybody here I can talk with about legacy wysiwyg?
[14:06] RobertPlummer arildb: you around?
[14:08] fabricius uh this discussion went apart from me up to naw RobertPlummer - feel free to tell me if nobody would be around to talk with you :-)
[14:09] RobertPlummer fabricius: You used legacy wysiwyg?
[14:11] fabricius not that I know, but should not be a problem to try it
[14:12] fabricius always interested on wysiwyg improvement - not that I personally would be keen to go for wysiwyg, but some projects are and Tiki needs it to keep up on the market
[14:13] fabricius I think as important as hopefully soon to get real calendar synchronisation
[14:15] luciash polom
[14:16] luciash hi RobertPlummer: what u need to know about Wysiwyg ?
[14:16] RobertPlummer luciash: I need to get it to the point it was in 9.x, I'm limited by real world examples.
[14:17] RobertPlummer I think geoff sent some, but having trouble locating them.
[14:19] luciash there are not many real world examples you could get access to edit... why not just copy and paste some html and/or word documents on demo ?
[14:21] RobertPlummer luciash: I want to get it working like it was in 9.x.
[14:21] RobertPlummer luciash: I could easily get side tracked into other bugs in it.
[14:21] RobertPlummer It isn't that I don't want to, I just don't have the resources to go down that road.
[14:22] luciash how can we help ?
[14:23] RobertPlummer Those that are familiar with how it works in 9 can aid in helping me get it back to that point.
[14:23] luciash i am familiar how it works in 9.x but i am not familiar how it works now in trunk or 10.x :-p
[14:24] luciash i know there are some limitations in 9.x so  you will get to those bugs for sure
[14:25] RobertPlummer luciash: You are the man for the job1
[14:25] RobertPlummer !
[14:25] luciash how much u pay ? :D
[14:25] RobertPlummer as much as I'm getting
[14:25] luciash not interested
[14:25] RobertPlummer luciash: $0 an hour, sound good?
[14:26] luciash lol
[14:26] luciash just ask
[14:27] luciash i do not have time to think up questions and answer to them at the same time
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[14:28] RobertPlummer luciash: I understand, talking a bit with jonny as a primer.
[14:28] RobertPlummer luciash: There is an option to turn html into wiki syntax, do you know what/where it is?
[14:28] luciash sure, send by mail
[14:29] luciash yes
[14:29] luciash on Admin > Wysiwyg panel
[14:29] RobertPlummer there
[14:29] luciash do not enable experimental
[14:29] luciash causes save failures
[14:30] luciash htmltowiki is experimental and not recommended to use in tiki 9
[14:30] RobertPlummer it is "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG"
[14:30] luciash stick to stable stuff first
[14:30] luciash then fix the experimental
[14:31] luciash i need to leave now for downtown
[14:31] luciash c u later here or by mail
[14:34] fabricius RobertPlummer: so you are talking - legacy wysiwyg = wysiwyg-wiki?
[14:35] RobertPlummer fabricius: Right.
[14:35] RobertPlummer fabricius: Jonny says there is an option to convert html to wiki I guess, and I and he doesn't know what it is called, his system is down.
[14:37] fabricius RobertPlummer:  I did use that alright and I think that is the way we should go ... and I have project that should really become productive now, as it is nearly finished, just mainly eitors stuff ... people missing to take the last steps so the webdev has to do  ... It is kind of a customers project, but I can alright deside to upgrade and use Tiki10 SVN
[14:38] RobertPlummer fabricius: Do you know what the pref is called?
[14:38] fabricius RobertPlummer: and they desperately want to use wysiwyg, whilst I hate the idea and do not want to loose wikisyntax ... simply as I will have to further help them editing
[14:39] fabricius maybe an ideal project for you, but it is in german lang nearly 100%
[14:39] luciash htmltowiki
[14:39] fabricius I think "use wikisyntax in wysiwyg" ... but not how in the code
[14:39] luciash is  the preference name
[14:40] fabricius a "transform" I did not se ... ahh good luciash
[14:40] RobertPlummer very good.
[14:40] luciash that is the experimental buggy one
[14:40] RobertPlummer So we want to turn that off.
[14:40] luciash yes
[14:40] luciash gotta run
[14:40] luciash c u later
[14:40] RobertPlummer very good, 1 hour in, I know the pref name, good start, lol.
[14:40] fabricius yes! I always have problems with switching editors as long as html and wiki would be mixed
[14:41] RobertPlummer fabricius: It will not be a problem with the new wysiwyg system.  The html works as both the output for the editor, and a data transformation layer for the html -> wiki parser.
[14:42] RobertPlummer 1 html = (output + data transformation tracking)
[14:43] fabricius RobertPlummer:  with wysiwyg-wiki it seems more stable, but I anyway frequently lose content - pages get empty and not editable anymore ... need to roll back or delete and recreate (copy paste of a rollback normally works) - so I cannot really give it a productive .... If I knew you on my side developing, I would definitely dare to make the site 90% wysiwyg
[14:44] RobertPlummer fabricius: It will be some time before the new wywiwyg is ready for a alpha or beta status, but the platform is there, and is passing transformation steps.
[14:44] fabricius and a stable wysiwyg similar using like openoffice would ease the projects search for editors and getting the content in
[14:45] RobertPlummer fabricius: So it is like, in the old legacy we started going down a road, and didn't know what was possible, with the new one, it is possible by design.
[14:45] fabricius RobertPlummer: you just need to tell me when you are ready to use a productive site to test-develop
[14:46] RobertPlummer :)
[14:47] fabricius RobertPlummer: actually I have a second site from tha mother of their organisation in development right now: the intranet of the national organisation (the website above is from a local branch)
[14:48] RobertPlummer fabricius: Could I get a db dump?  It'd be nice to work with some real world data?
[14:48] fabricius RobertPlummer: this I make from scratch with 10 and it should become productive in alpha or beta state by end this month
[14:49] RobertPlummer fabricius: That is a good timeframe with the new editor, want to have something working by the end of the week, something almost alpha by the end of the month.  Buttons, auto-save, prefs.
[14:49] RobertPlummer Those are goals, not exact dates, but I don't see anything that is going to set us back to far.
[14:49] RobertPlummer I think we are though going to use the new ckeditor, 4 I think.
[14:49] RobertPlummer So that legacy code is not bothered, and when it goes production, html5 will be standard.
[14:53] fabricius RobertPlummer: as said, it is all in german ... we are in the process of starting to move old content to the new side and to create new content ... and the guys have no time ...
[14:53] fabricius ... kind of waiting for each other ...
[14:53] fabricius ... but yes RobertPlummer, in general I can provide you with a copy of the website, whilst I would take out one or another table - files, users
[14:54] RobertPlummer fabricius: Clean up as you wish, I just want content to test wiki -> html -> wiki conversion
[14:55] RobertPlummer unit tests are good, real world tests... are better.
[14:58] fabricius I know RobertPlummer - that is the reason why I switched to use SVN and I dare to go productive with fresh brached and long running trunks since Tiki7 - and I know that I (all of who do so) have enough backup from the devs for being able to held the risk down
[14:58] RobertPlummer fabricius: :)
[15:00] fabricius RobertPlummer: in the end it is as easy as this: * we cannot fix the bugs if we do not find 'em and we cannot find 'em if we do not use the features (and versions). *
[15:00] RobertPlummer fabricius: My view exaclty, my site is on trunk
[15:01] RobertPlummer clients not, but can't push them for what they don't want or need.
[15:01] fabricius I mostly switched to 10 now, cause we need to solidly release 10 and tighten 9
[15:03] Bsfez hi all
[15:03] fabricius I have one site I develop now - volontarily aswell - which can only be in 9, as it has to work and it is a coop project with orgas from a few countries and with people from universities ... must be stable .... mostly ths others can be 10 and maybe the one or other could lateron move up the trunk again - will see
[15:04] fabricius hi Bsfez
[15:04] fabricius release chat?
[15:04] Bsfez ? nobody answers but u… :(
[15:04] Bsfez may be we wait a little more people wake up :D
[15:04] fabricius part of the blockers alredy fixed ... lindon, robert, lph
[15:04] Bsfez well not sure...
[15:04] fabricius you found more?
[15:05] Bsfez got this on a fresh install an hour ago:
[15:05] Bsfez Syntax error in file: /html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php
[15:05] Bsfez ADONewConnection: Unable to load database driver ''
[15:05] Bsfez Invalid db object passed to TikiDB constructor
[15:05] Bsfez at tiki-install
[15:05] fabricius ouch
[15:05] Bsfez never saw such
[15:06] fabricius adodb driver broken? did you try with pdo? did you try an svn up - maybe just a file corrupted on checkout?
[15:07] fabricius should try the mentioned file out of an older inst that worked aswell
[15:07] fabricius and we check in the mail-logs if and who and when last commited to this file or someting around db-drivers
[15:07] fabricius RobertPlummer: what do you think?
[15:08] RobertPlummer Nothing I'm working on would cause that.
[15:08] RobertPlummer Myn has always just worked.
[15:08] fabricius Bsfez: and lph already answered in the devlist with further questions - so do not worry to get a quick solution
[15:09] RobertPlummer Any other errors?
[15:09] fabricius I chck the cvs/svn list
[15:09] fabricius /s/chck/check
[15:12] Bsfez Well… all what is suggesting LP is already in my first email.
[15:12] Bsfez revision, new install, doing what...
[15:13] Bsfez btw i though that the revision number would give the branch. wrong ?
[15:13] Bsfez well on a new install hard to go anywhere ! :) i can't set the db :D
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[15:15] fabricius Bsfez: you work with SVN or download and unpack? -> then which package?
[15:15] Bsfez svn (as it says)
[15:18] lphuberdeau bsfez, you still havn't answered most questions, but I could assume the answer based on the fact that you did not understand them
[15:19] Bsfez possibly, can u help me ?
[15:20] Bsfez Which branch? = 10.x
[15:20] Bsfez Is that revision the latest one or you could get it to work right before that revision? = irrelevant it is a new install from 0
[15:20] Bsfez Was it a clean install or re-using credentials from a past installation? = it is a new… clean install
[15:21] Bsfez When does it occur? = when i go ti tiki-install.php to proceed to the installation.
[15:21] Bsfez that's ok ?
[15:21] lphuberdeau the question was to know if you had pinpointed the issue to that commit
[15:21] lphuberdeau when does it occur? is it the first step of tiki-install, initial page load, or further down the process
[15:22] lphuberdeau don't assume I don't read the emails please
[15:22] Bsfez no i don;t pinpointed to any commit
[15:22] Bsfez it happen on initial page load
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[15:23] lphuberdeau good, now you'll have to search for the faulty commit, because I can't reproduce the issue
[15:24] Bsfez LP, It look to me the elements are in my first email. I understand we don't speak the same technical language and i'm trying to learn from this discussion.
[15:24] Bsfez So, i don't assume anything… if you have that feeling it is yours.
[15:25] Bsfez Thanks for your help LP
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[15:31] fabricius arrgl my thunderbird hanged up on trying to prepare 19k mails to be moved
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[16:13] fabricius rehi
[16:34] luciash re-polom
[16:34] luciash hi all
[16:35] luciash Bsfez1: adodb is third party... are u sure the SVN checkout went well ? such errors happen when for some reason third party svn repository is unreachable and svn checkout does finish with errors
[16:39] fabricius In such a mystearious case I just would run an svn up and try again
[16:39] fabricius mysterious
[16:39] luciash yep
[16:39] fabricius maybe delete the folder upfront
[16:40] luciash not necessary
[16:40] fabricius and then svn up
[16:40] fabricius ah ok
[16:40] luciash svn up should work
[16:40] fabricius /s/mystearious/mysterious
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[16:44] Guest18919 Greetings!  I've looked around unsuccessfully for a hosted instance of TikiWiki for a community organization I help out with.  I tried a couple of vendors on the following list but had no joy: http://tiki.org/Tiki+Friendly+Hosts
[16:44] Guest18919 Any suggestions?
[16:44] Guest18919 While I'm comfortable with web administration, I'm time-constrained and not everyone in the organization is comfortable with web administration -- the service really needs to be turnkey.
[16:45] ricks99 lots of tiki consultants available at http://tiki.org/consultants
[16:47] Guest18919 That's not quite what I'm looking for -- I'm looking for something more like the Drupal or Wordpress instances available on GoDaddy.  Hiring a real person to help us out is likely cost-prohibitive, and I could do it if I had the time.
[16:47] luciash Guest18919: hi Luke :) where r u based ? US ?
[16:48] Guest18919 I am based in the US
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[16:48] luciash Guest18919: had no joy with the friendly hosts means what ?
[16:48] ricks99 most hosts have tiki available via simple scripts or similar one-click-installs
[16:49] ricks99 have used with godaddy, bluehost, etc all the time
[16:49] Guest18919 I went through the list and read the PR pages of a number of friendly hosts.  I even tried subscribing to two of them (I don't remember which), only to find that the service wasn't what I thought it was.
[16:49] Guest18919 Does GoDaddy offer the automated updates?
[16:49] ricks99 think simplescript offers updates
[16:49] Guest18919 I can deploy a PHP app to GoDaddy, but I'm concerned about the organization's ability to maintain the site if I'm unavailable due to being busy.
[16:50] ricks99 not the host provider, but the script isntaller. two different things
[16:50] ricks99 installation & administration/config: 2 different issues
[16:52] Guest18919 With the Drupal/Wordpress installs on GoDaddy, they send out e-mail and provide push-button installs/updates.  (I'm not a fan of GoDaddy, and their installs don't always work, but it does provide a handle for people who don't use bash.)
[16:52] Guest18919 So, does TikiWiki provide a selfupdate feature?
[16:52] Guest18919 I've only tinkered with it on the LiveCD.
[16:53] ricks99 tiki provids update notification. so do some script installers (such as simplescript)
[16:53] Bsfez1 Hi ricks99
[16:53] Bsfez1 lphuberdeau: u still here ?
[16:54] lphuberdeau yes
[16:54] Bsfez1 i have tried on 3 different servers
[16:55] Guest18919 I'll read up on simplescript, and see if it does what I need.
[16:55] Bsfez1 sry :) clean install of 10.x
[16:55] Bsfez1 it seams that the problem happen on my squeeze using sbox
[16:56] Bsfez1 when i install at first i got this error:
[16:56] Bsfez1 Sbox Error
[16:56] Bsfez1 The http://stein.cshl.org/WWW/software/sbox/ program encountered an error while processing this request. Please note the time of the error, anything you might have been doing at the time to trigger the problem, and forward the information to this site's Webmaster (mailto:%5Bno%20address%20given%5D).
[16:56] Bsfez1 not world executable
[16:56] Bsfez1 so i change file to be world executable :
[16:56] Bsfez1 find . -iname '*.php' -exec chmod +x {} \;
[16:57] lphuberdeau that doesn't tell me anything, I'm not a system administrator
[16:57] ricks99 Guest18919: see also the info on http://info.tiki.org/download
[16:57] Bsfez1 MM… ok
[16:57] ricks99 lots of other remote installer solutions (installatron, softaculous, etc)
[16:57] ricks99 hi Bsfez1
[16:57] Bsfez1 hi ricks99
[16:58] fabricius Guest189: Luke, I tell you what: the best joice in case you have at least a minimum of knowledge is simply a small friendly ISP with SSH and landline no. support -> just run your website with svn scheckout/svn up and you are mostly done - no problems with old versions or mixed autoupgrades
[16:59] Bsfez1 lphuberdeau: i'll try to get some answers and feedback about this as sbox/aufs will become common on xen install from what i have understand.
[17:00] lphuberdeau If you can identify the commit that caused the problem, I can look into it, but otherwise, it's a needle in a haystack because I can't reproduce myself
[17:01] Bsfez1 lphuberdeau: i need to check my other tiki's on the same box… may be the domain protection is not set to sbox/aufs so there is no regression but a new config to check and add.
[17:01] Bsfez1 long time i didn't make a clean install :)
[17:02] fabricius Guest189: Luke, I just got a bugfix made by one of the devs in the new Tiki 10 - have no time thught, but right a minute ago, I logged in to my serverr via SSH, cd to the installation and typed "svn up" ... in a few minutes I'll type in my browser mydomain.com/tiki-install.php and 2 minutes later my bug is gone in the wind - easy, fast and full control - I never again wnt to work without ssh access
[17:02] fabricius Bsfez1: so your mysterious problem magically solved?
[17:03] Bsfez1 not at all :)
[17:03] Guest18919 Fabricius: We do have such an ISP running our Drupal site now.  They're not familiar with TikiWiki.  The frustrating thing about this is that I'm actually quite capable of running the whole LAMP stack and TikiWiki myself, I just don't have the cycles to do it for a few months....
[17:04] Bsfez1 I have to check furthermore
[17:06] Guest18919 Gotta run -- talk to you all later
[17:06] fabricius Guest189 not much work ... with the autoinstaller you just outsource installation and lose control ... and you easily could teach another webmaster/serveradmin-assistant how to type "svn up" in a linux terminal or in a putty ... the rest is pretty muchsame administration than with autoupdate/autoinstallation
[17:06] fabricius ok
[17:06] fabricius why I always want to convince others?
[17:07] fabricius maybe cause I got convinced by others
[17:07] fabricius thx jonnyb for insisting that I have a look on svn and thx to Leu for explaining me the very first steps
[17:08] fabricius so have to go aswell now - see ya all later
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[17:43] luciash Bsfez1: no luck with svn up ? if it is up to date it might be error in their scripts... btw, no PDO on your server ? or why it might try use the obsolete ADODB driver ?
[17:48] Bsfez1 hi luciash it seams this happen if i use Sbox which a better way than mod_php to secure the site
[17:49] Bsfez1 i'm about to come with a solution. (crossfinguer)
[17:55] Bsfez1 luciash: if you are interested found a good guide : http://dtcsupport.gplhost.com/PmWiki/SBOXAndDTC
[17:58] refizul polom
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[18:09] luciash hi refizul
[18:09] * luciash never heard bout sbox
[18:16] refizul I don't understand the +x issue of sbox
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[19:43] Nikhar Hi, the permission tiki_p_admin_wiki grants all permission on wiki pages right? Like view, rllback, delete rename etc etc
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[20:22] refizul Bsfez: does your setup work with permission 500 subdirs (some 700) and permission 700 files?
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[20:38] RobertPlummer man it is cold here in the midwest
[20:38] RobertPlummer just ran outside, I will not recover shortly.
[20:38] ricks99 lol. beautiful, sunny 74F here in NC
[20:39] RobertPlummer ricks99: well, that does it... I'm depressed.
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[20:40] ricks99 you'll feel better in late july, when i have 99% humidity
[20:41] RobertPlummer ricks99: I love it there actually, Ocean Isle is my fav spot.
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[20:42] RobertPlummer ricks99: I went surfing there for the first time.
[20:42] RobertPlummer almost killed me, 6 foot swells on the backside of a storm
[20:42] * ricks99 just got back from a weekend on Roanoke Island
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[21:03] refizul Bsfez: you can try 'sh setup.sh sbox'
[21:08] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Can't access the FAQs - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=45581
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[21:18] Bsfez refizul: ok it will take me some 15mn to reset everything back to sbox but i'll do now
[21:23] Nikhar Hi, if I select a user in the 'User Selector' field in a tracker, is there a way than an email is sent to that user?
[21:29] Bsfez refizul: oot@GPLHost:xen9720201:shocksite/972.apt-proxy>_ /var/www/sites/xxx/subdomains/www/html# sh setup.sh sbox
[21:29] Bsfez -e
[21:29] Bsfez Type 'fix', 'nothing' or 'open' as command argument.
[21:29] Bsfez If you used Tiki Permission Check via PHP, you know which of the following commands will probably work:
[21:29] Bsfez insane mixed morepain moreworry pain paranoia paranoia-suphp risky worry
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[21:32] tiki_starter hi @#tikiwiki
[21:35] tiki_starter i just started to test tiki, and configured it successfully except the wysiwyg plugin, it seems that there's no way that it will stay activated :(
[21:36] tiki_starter but maybe it's a plain noob error
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[21:45] refizul Bsfez: ah, soory, forgot case switch
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[21:48] refizul now it should work
[22:10] Bsfez refizul: ok
[22:10] Bsfez refizul:
[22:11] Bsfez root@GPLHost:xen9720201:shocksite/972.apt-proxy>_ /var/www/sites/xxx/subdomains/www/html# sh setup.sh sbox
[22:11] Bsfez debug breakpoint
[22:20] refizul huh?
[22:20] Bsfez :)
[22:23] refizul now
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[22:34] refizul doc.t.o is updated: https://doc.tiki.org/Permission+Check
[22:36] fabricius|away tiki.org - for me it is lacking and when coming, then massive slow ... anybody confirm?
[22:40] refizul fabricius|away: yes, much slower than doc.t.o
[22:41] refizul it doesn't work at all right now
[22:41] refizul Bsfez: more success now?
[22:53] refizul fabricius|away: completely down?!
[22:56] Bsfez refizul: checking
[22:59] Bsfez refizul: seam the script worked, however still no go : http://www.xn--8dbamccdqxek3e0a.com/
[23:01] fabricius|away refizul: seems alike
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[23:10] refizul Bsfez: ok, I add world
[23:11] refizul Bsfez: try paranoia-suphp please
[23:14] refizul world excutable added
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[23:34] Bsfez refizul: how do i "paranoia-suphp"
[23:46] Bsfez refizul: still no go… dam.
[23:46] Bsfez May be you can find some usefull infos i miss there ? http://dtcsupport.gplhost.com/PmWiki/SBOXAndDTC
[23:47] Bsfez there is something about using localhost and not 127.0.0.1 not sure it is related