[00:04] gour is tiki more EU or US-embraced?
[00:04] gour ahh
[00:04] Jyhem_laptop gour: more EU, but also used in the US & Canada
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[00:05] gour good...just installing 9.2 now
[00:05] Jyhem_laptop If it was more US, we would not have so many languages :-)
[00:06] gour lol
[00:06] fabricius gour ... sorry, my connection broke
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[00:06] gour considering there are no plugins, what if one needs some extra feature?
[00:06] gour fabricius: np
[00:06] gour fabricius: i'm installing 9.2 now
[00:06] fabricius cool
[00:07] gour ...but it takes some time...hopefully everything is fine
[00:07] fabricius you have a linux and command line?
[00:08] fabricius can you use svn checkout?
[00:08] gour yes, but i launched web installer
[00:08] Jyhem Can I include a cookie value in a wiki page ?
[00:09] Bsfez hi all
[00:10] Jyhem No cokie related plugin? I am disappointed. i thought we had some for everything :-)
[00:10] fabricius Jyhem do not know
[00:10] fabricius hi Bsfez
[00:12] gour installer took quite some time to finish
[00:12] fabricius gour: there are no plugins, but most features are there
[00:12] Bsfez I need to display in a module (col) a random image from a gal, just the image. I'm fighting with different plugins and can't get it right.
[00:13] Bsfez have an idea ?
[00:13] fabricius and not to hard to get in new ones if there is a coder
[00:13] Jyhem silly me. jquery can read cookies
[00:13] fabricius have to go for a while
[00:13] fabricius bbl
[00:13] fabricius cheers everybody
[00:13] Jyhem byr torsten
[00:13] gour thanks fabricius
[00:13] Jyhem bye torsten
[00:15] Bsfez by
[00:15] Bsfez bye Torsten
[00:15] refizul Bsfez: banner is useful for random images
[00:17] Bsfez hi Frank
[00:18] Bsfez didn't thought about this good one. :) But i need the file gallery to consult the images.
[00:18] Bsfez image feature has such tools but i'd rather not start using a deprecated feature.
[00:20] refizul I did this a few weeks ago
[00:20] refizul define an own module for this
[00:22] refizul put all posible images into a special file gallery
[00:22] refizul then you can choose "random image from gallery: ..."
[00:23] Bsfez yes i now it is working for feature image. I would have prefer not using it as it will be remove from Tiki.
[00:29] refizul wait - I mixed that
[00:29] refizul I tested file gallery and banner, and banner helps to create random images
[00:31] refizul I didn't use files from file gallery to create the banner, but this should be possible
[00:32] refizul I assigned several images to a banner zone, then I used the zone name for my own module
[00:32] Bsfez mmm… will check that however quit complicate for something simple
[00:32] refizul once you know how it is simpler than it sounds
[00:33] refizul it puzzled me, too - at the beginning
[00:33] refizul there are some tricks with layout, too
[00:33] refizul frameless modules and things like that
[00:38] Bsfez k
[00:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43989 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/WikiCKEditor/Handler.php
[00:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Prevent plugins from being edited by ckeditor, added contenteditable = false
[00:44] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r43990 10trunk/lib/ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php
[00:44] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Change enter mode for jison + ckeditor from default (<p></p>) to what the parser expects (<br/>)
[00:47] Bsfez banner won't be good, end-user just need to upload and the picture is displayed random on the home page
[00:50] Bsfez found it => {colorbox fgalId="1" sort_mode="random"}
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[00:52] refizul another method?
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[00:56] Bsfez i will create a custom module and use plugin colobox. Work fine on a wiki page already.
[00:57] Bsfez arf… :(
[00:57] Bsfez Error
[00:57] Bsfez There is a problem with your custom module "Random File Image":
[00:57] Bsfez Syntax Error in template "c616419f2f05a8d511c1aea16a709b377de55bf8" on line 1 "{colorbox fgalId="53" sort_mode="random"}" unknown tag "colorbox"
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[03:50] Bsfez fabricius: here ? can't log into demo 10x
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[04:35] hrsms I'm getting a blank page after having run install.  All I see in the error log is: [16-Nov-2012 20:27:37] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method TikiLib::list_slide_styles() in /home7/hrsmsorg/public_html/home/lib/prefs/slide.php on line 12
[04:47] Bsfez hrsms: some tips;  try other pages like tiki-login_scr.php, check memory 128mb is just 256mb is cool,
[04:49] hrsms tiki-login_scr.php results in blank page also.  Same message in error log
[04:49] Bsfez tiki-check.php ?
[04:50] Bsfez how much memory you have have for the domain running ur tiki ?
[04:51] fabricius ola
[04:52] fabricius demo up again ...
[04:57] Bsfez :(
[04:57] Bsfez דרט :(
[04:58] Bsfez arf… hebrew rtl, i meant " :) " of course
[04:58] fabricius hrsms: which Tiki version / which PHP version -> please run yourdomain.com/tiki-check.php if any accessible ... maybe copy it out from the Tiki root (installation) folder one level higher and trgger it from via a direct pathh ... tiki-check.php (including php.info) will tell you a number of things, which could help us to guess why things do not work right away on the server and what to do
[05:03] hrsms tiki 8.1; PHP  5.2.17
[05:04] hrsms I could not find tiki-check.php.   I copied tiki-login_scr.php up a level and went to that address.  It also resulted in a blank screen.
[05:06] fabricius hmmm tiki-check is in 9.2 or 9.x (SVN), sorry for not mentioning that ... 8 is not LTS - just a midterm version - please use 9 - > and PHP 5.3 ... there should be an addhandler or an cgi, if your provider has 5.3 but maybe not by default
[05:07] fabricius you can download tiki-check.php standalone out of the sourceforge repository of Tiki 9 (9.2?) and upwards
[05:07] fabricius if you would insist on Tiki 8
[05:17] hrsms I'm on a new host that has SimpleScripts, and I thought I'd try using it to upgrade.  The site was not initially created with SimpleScripts.  It was originally 5.3, and I manually uploaded versions 6.1 and 8.1 over time, and before moving to the current host [more..]
[05:18] hrsms I was hoping SimpleScripts would make my upgrades faster and easier.  I guess because it was not installed using SimpleScripts, it (SimpleScripts) thought I was still on 4.1.   I tried it anyway (after doing a backup).
[05:19] fabricius do you have shell access (SSH)
[05:19] hrsms That failed, so the site was restored.  But afterward I had a warning about my tiki DB version.  It instructed me to run the install to update the version.  I did.  And afterward I got the blank screen.
[05:19] fabricius there lies the most easy way to run a tiki
[05:19] fabricius memory limit is at?
[05:20] hrsms No shell access
[05:20] fabricius should be 256M with Tiki9 ... least 128 with Tiki8
[05:20] hrsms I believe 128
[05:20] fabricius no shell is not so nice ....
[05:21] fabricius ftp so
[05:21] hrsms Any knowldge of whether BlueHost will allow 256 when I go to 9.2?
[05:21] hrsms Message about shell access on Bluehost: For security reasons, shell access is not enabled by default. In order to activate shell access on your account. Please note: You account must be verified with our Verification Department to enable SSH Access. Please contact us if you need to verify your account.
[05:21] hrsms I guess I can get it, but have to jump through hoops to do so.
[05:22] fabricius should work with .htacess ... Blue Host should not complain
[05:22] fabricius I hvebeen at a Blue Host Server ... yes they mostly offer ssh ... very good
[05:22] hrsms But I wouldn't know what to do with the access.  I don't know unix very well.
[05:23] hrsms That is unix, yes?
[05:23] fabricius you should get it, as it makes a few tasks way easier and faster
[05:23] fabricius yes, but only certain steps
[05:23] fabricius I could easily explain once you have it and catch me here
[05:24] hrsms Will that help me upgrade to 9.2 in any way?
[05:25] fabricius just some copy paste mainly ... lateron some more decent knowlege of the shell would be helpful
[05:25] fabricius mind that: only a lazy administrator is a good administrator
[05:27] hrsms It looks like I have shell access now.  But I have to download something to use it.  PuTTy?   Will you be here for a while?  I'll install this and come back.
[05:29] fabricius fresh installation of a Tiki9 Branch from SVN -> create the folderstructure where you want to install the Tiki into -> "$ cd path-to-the-future-tiki-root" -> "$ svn checkout http//adress-to-tiki-on-sourceforge..." -> drink a coffee -> "$ sh setup.sh" -> browser and start tiki-install.php
[05:29] fabricius thats pretty much it
[05:30] fabricius Putty only from windows
[05:30] fabricius you can log in to the server from your local ubuntu terminal
[05:30] hrsms I'm on a windows machine now
[05:30] fabricius very practical this is
[05:30] fabricius oh sad
[05:31] hrsms ubuntu?
[05:31] fabricius then you nee putty
[05:31] fabricius yes
[05:31] hrsms What is ubuntu?
[05:31] fabricius since I switched from w7 to ubuntu I save pretty much a lot of time!
[05:31] fabricius linux!
[05:31] hrsms oh...
[05:32] hrsms sorry to be so thick...
[05:32] fabricius never missed Windows after the first days
[05:32] fabricius hehe
[05:34] fabricius have 12.04 now with gnome3 (gnome shell) and gnome extensions give all back to the desktop what was missing from gnome2 in the first time
[05:35] hrsms I work for a company that does data and 3D modeling for plants (electrical, chemical, power, etc) , ships, and marine structures.  It is all Windows based.  So that's what I know....
[05:35] hrsms I dabble in PHP for the sake of running my club's website
[05:36] fabricius ah
[05:37] fabricius for webdesign you can either work with cost intensive software on mac and win or with free software on win and linux - i desided to start second option on win and when I did do the last step into the free world I learne that thi saved mea fortune on time
[05:38] fabricius so job is windows, but for what you need it in your private live?
[05:38] fabricius :-)
[05:38] fabricius just saying - you have the putty anyway
[05:38] fabricius so now login and start to ask :-)
[05:39] hrsms sticking with one system keeps my life a little more simple :-)
[05:39] fabricius and lets rock on your linux server+
[05:39] fabricius you already work with more than one
[05:39] fabricius you just pretend to use one
[05:40] hrsms I think I have the shell session running now
[05:40] fabricius oh thats quick
[05:40] fabricius you see the prompt?
[05:40] hrsms let's see if I really do.
[05:40] fabricius kind of $
[05:40] hrsms yes
[05:40] fabricius $ ls
[05:41] fabricius lists the content of th actual folder
[05:41] hrsms I see the list of file and folders
[05:41] fabricius you need to go to public_html or similar
[05:41] fabricius is this in the actual folder?
[05:42] fabricius if not we might find it in a www or customernumber
[05:42] hrsms Sorry to be such a pain, but.... how do I change folders.  Just type in the folder name, or is there a command
[05:43] fabricius I tell you all, just be my eye
[05:43] hrsms cd?
[05:43] fabricius do you see s.th.like public_html?
[05:43] fabricius $ cd foldername
[05:44] hrsms Yes, that worked.  I'm now in public_html.  Tiki is installed one folder down in "home"
[05:44] fabricius I would suggest to setup a new folder "tikiwesites"
[05:44] fabricius +b
[05:45] hrsms Why the new folder?  I'd just like to understand.
[05:47] fabricius you do not want to store files in the database and mostly not in the root ... and you want to have all possible installations nicely structured and tiki apart from other cms
[05:48] fabricius so a folder structure providing a "container" for each domain/install
[05:48] fabricius just a suggestion
[05:48] hrsms public_html/home is the current folder for my tiki site.  Nothing else is there.  Is that not sufficient?
[05:49] fabricius you could now install anywhere, but get a mess at some point+
[05:49] fabricius no - never install in the serverroot / the html root
[05:50] fabricius what if you nee a second installation? -> install a Tiki in a Tiki? verrry bad
[05:51] fabricius then you have custom files in an installation - css, grafics, maybe additional scripts ... ouch what a mess after a short while
[05:51] hrsms I'm losing you.  I need to back up and get some terms clarified, if you have the patience for me.
[05:51] fabricius ah sorry /home
[05:51] fabricius sorry
[05:52] hrsms This is OK then?
[05:52] fabricius but make at least a /home2 or so ... just one installation by itself
[05:52] fabricius if the existing is directly in /home
[05:53] fabricius maybe I did missunderstand you ... I do not see it
[05:53] hrsms If I understand it,  /home7/hrsmsorg is the highest level on the Bluehost server that I have....
[05:54] fabricius you should have at least an empty folder and inside this empty folder for files and one for the tiki checkout
[05:54] fabricius that would be a starter
[05:54] fabricius and this inside public_html
[05:54] fabricius so
[05:55] hrsms I'm not seeing my entries anymore.  Testing......
[05:55] hrsms OK, they are back!
[05:55] hrsms home7/hrsmsorg/public_html/home is the location of my tiki installation
[05:55] fabricius $ mkdir container container/files container/SVN_90_Branch
[05:56] fabricius container might be a descriptive name of your site or simply tiki
[05:56] fabricius then
[05:57] fabricius $ cd container/SVN_90_Branch
[05:57] fabricius and report
[05:57] fabricius :-)
[05:58] fabricius we want to try a clean empty installation not interfering with anxything that exists
[05:58] fabricius fresh code and copy of the database
[05:58] fabricius tell me when you are in your SVN folder
[05:59] hrsms Where are we going with this?  I'll be renaming the branch to the current install?  So that existing links do not break?
[05:59] fabricius I hope Blue host provides svn - then we are half done now
[06:01] fabricius iyou first hand try a fresh installation handmade and fast - then you check the upgrade, but not braking anything - finally you can use this installation if everything worked by switching the domain
[06:02] fabricius if you create the extra folders as said you cannot brake code, cause different directory
[06:02] hrsms Hmmm.  So the directories you suggested are under what folder?  home7/hrsmsorg?  Same level as public_html?
[06:04] fabricius you create them in public_html ... I do not see your content and thus do not see if home/hrmsmorg is nice ... can move later, so make it in public_html for now
[06:05] fabricius see it as training, which you can use or delete like you want - no panic :-)
[06:06] hrsms I created them in the wrong spot.  What is the command for deleting a directory, please?
[06:06] fabricius ouch
[06:06] hrsms bump your toe?
[06:07] fabricius $ rm directory
[06:07] fabricius (remove)
[06:07] hrsms rmdir seems to have worked too
[06:07] fabricius so we have now ... cd ls mkdir rm
[06:08] fabricius cool sometimes more than one path to heaven
[06:08] fabricius so I fag you create and cd ? brb
[06:10] hrsms I am now in public_html/hrsms_tiki/SVN_90_Branch
[06:11] fabricius cool
[06:11] hrsms just to make sure I understood...you're taking a smoking break?
[06:12] fabricius so I go now to http://dev.tiki.org/Get+Code, there I scroll down and copy / paste the checkout code for you
[06:12] fabricius rolled - will smoke whilst the checkout
[06:13] fabricius $ svn checkout https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/9.x .
[06:13] fabricius pleas copy it WITH THE DOT .
[06:13] fabricius to make sure you checkout right in this directory
[06:13] hrsms it's doing something.  Hope it's good.
[06:14] fabricius lines after lines scroll down now?
[06:14] fabricius if yes it is good
[06:14] hrsms Yes.
[06:14] hrsms What part of the world are you in, may I ask?
[06:14] fabricius needs a few minutes - get a coffe or a tea - I smoke now brb
[06:14] fabricius Germany
[06:15] fabricius 6:15 in the morning
[06:15] hrsms Pretty early for Saturday !!!
[06:18] fabricius so it's actually late
[06:18] fabricius :-)
[06:19] fabricius tell when the prompt comes back again in afew minutes
[06:20] hrsms Where is your wife then?  Is she away from home, or are you?  Don't mean to pry.  Just friendly chat.
[06:21] fabricius she is away from me, will see her in 3 month and look forward big time
[06:21] hrsms business?
[06:21] fabricius kind of
[06:22] hrsms I lived in Denmark for a year.  We spent some time in Germany.  I liked it very much.
[06:22] fabricius but such private stuff is more for query I think
[06:22] fabricius cool where are you?
[06:22] hrsms Don't understand "more for query".  But I wasn't going to ask any more.
[06:22] fabricius ok
[06:23] hrsms Virginia, USA
[06:23] hrsms Prompt is back
[06:24] fabricius "more for query" was bad english ... translated by word sry ... meant "better to be discussed in query"
[06:24] fabricius § sh setup.sh
[06:25] fabricius sry
[06:25] fabricius $ sh setup.sh
[06:25] hrsms What is "in query".  Some IRC thing I am unaware of?
[06:25] fabricius ah query is a private chat when you click on the username in the userlist
[06:25] hrsms Now I understand.
[06:26] fabricius depending on the IRC client kind of a new tab opens and there you can have a private chat apart from the public here
[06:26] hrsms # sh setup.sh sh: setup.sh: No such file or directory
[06:26] fabricius hmmm let me check
[06:28] fabricius there should be a file this name in the tiki installation directly in the root folder
[06:29] fabricius $ ls
[06:29] fabricius pls look fyor it
[06:29] fabricius /s/fyor/for
[06:32] hrsms I had to cd to 9.x
[06:32] hrsms Should have known
[06:33] fabricius ah you maybe did make it without the dot . grrml I said, but don't mind
[06:33] hrsms You are not root or you are on a shared hosting account. You can now:  1- ctrl-c to break now.  or  2- If you press enter to continue, you will probably get some error messages but it (the script) will still fix what it can according to the permissions of your user. This script will now ask you some questions. If you don't know what to answer, just press enter to each question (to use default value)
[06:33] fabricius so you have a 9.x folder inside the SVN_90_Branch?
[06:34] fabricius just click through
[06:34] hrsms grrml?
[06:34] fabricius just a sound I make frequently
[06:35] fabricius it is kind of a grunt ... in IRC I have to write it
[06:35] hrsms I accidentally entered some unexpected responses while trying to copy that text.  Not sure if any harm was done.
[06:36] hrsms now what, sir?
[06:36] fabricius me too
[06:36] fabricius what you see in the command line?
[06:36] fabricius last message?
[06:36] hrsms hrsmsorg@hrsms.org [~/public_html/hrsms_tiki/SVN_90_Branch/9.x]
[06:37] hrsms Does it hurt to run it over again?
[06:37] fabricius seems to be kind of a prompt
[06:38] fabricius setup.sh? not really - maybe nedd twice then - leave it for now, once you went through to the end once
[06:38] fabricius /s/ned/need
[06:38] hrsms I think it is the normal prompt.  Waiting for me to do more
[06:38] hrsms Next?
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[06:39] fabricius ok you should be done for now - another time we should ty down the permissions to a minimum, but that is a different thing
[06:39] fabricius we need a temporary adress for your Tiki now
[06:39] fabricius would you mind to setup a subdomain with the path to the tikiroot?
[06:40] fabricius -> /public_html/hrsms_tiki/SVN_90_Branch/9.x
[06:40] fabricius you can switch to the control center now
[06:40] hrsms If you think that is best.  Right now I've just navigated to that address and I see the installer page
[06:41] fabricius ah very good - so no need for a subdomain right now
[06:41] hrsms control center = CPanel?
[06:41] fabricius you need an empty database
[06:41] fabricius yep CPanel
[06:42] hrsms I'm going through the installer.  PHP memory_limit is at 128.  It needs to be 256?
[06:42] fabricius so create a database, write down the credentials in an editor and enter the database in phpMyAdmin
[06:43] hrsms OK.  But I thought the installer would create one for me.  No?
[06:44] fabricius you need the empty database and we want to make sure, that the charset kollation is set to UTF-8
[06:44] hrsms working on it
[06:44] fabricius nobody understand why the default still is latin_1 on almost every server
[06:44] fabricius ok
[06:45] hrsms name does not matter?  Not keeping it?
[06:45] fabricius name, username, password - you need it for the Tiki installer
[06:46] fabricius mind, if the host is different than "localhost" ... if I rememberright at Blue Host it is simply "localhost"
[06:48] hrsms add "all priveleges" for admin user?
[06:49] fabricius the user you use for the Tiki install should have all privileges, yes
[06:49] hrsms I have the empty database
[06:50] fabricius entered phpMyAdmin?
[06:50] hrsms yes
[06:50] fabricius so now it differs from ISP to ISP ... I think you have to click on the databasename first
[06:51] fabricius you should see then a tab "operations" or similar (top right of the browser window)
[06:51] hrsms I am in operations
[06:52] hrsms collation is latin1_swedish_ci
[06:52] fabricius scroll down a bit and find a fiels "collation" with a dropdown
[06:52] fabricius yes - change that to UTF-(
[06:52] fabricius UTF-8
[06:52] fabricius sry
[06:53] hrsms utf8_bin?
[06:53] fabricius utf8_unicode_ci should be best
[06:53] hrsms ok
[06:53] hrsms done
[06:53] fabricius utf8_general_ci appeared to work aswell
[06:53] fabricius ok
[06:54] fabricius done inside phpMyAdmin
[06:54] fabricius installer now - Tiki we are coming
[06:54] hrsms What about the memory?
[06:55] fabricius ah that - forgot to rename the _htaccess into .htaccess
[06:55] fabricius you can do that from cPanel FTP or commandline
[06:55] fabricius inside you need to change one line
[06:55] fabricius actually delete a #
[06:56] fabricius because # is the charavçter for comments in the .htaccess
[06:56] hrsms ready
[06:56] fabricius original is:
[06:56] fabricius #php_value memory_limit 256M
[06:56] fabricius change to:
[06:56] fabricius php_value memory_limit 256M
[06:56] fabricius simple
[06:57] fabricius ah it is the _htaccess in the Tikiroot and only this - there are a few
[06:57] fabricius so only rename and change this one
[06:58] hrsms I started the install over again, and it still says 128
[06:58] fabricius did you rename and uncommented ?
[06:59] fabricius but we can go through the installer first - 128 should be enough to finish it
[07:00] hrsms yes, and yes
[07:00] fabricius hmmm .htaccess should work on Blue Host
[07:01] fabricius anyway continue the installer first and see where it brings us to
[07:02] hrsms installer seems to be setting the comment back.  I change, save, close, reopen, and the comment is gone.  I run the installer, reopen, and the comment is back.
[07:02] fabricius ouch
[07:03] hrsms I am entering the empty database name
[07:03] fabricius which comment?
[07:03] hrsms for the memory.
[07:04] hrsms I've moved on and am now at the database step
[07:04] hrsms What about this comment...
[07:04] hrsms Highly recommended for new installations. However, if you are upgrading or migrating a previous tiki database, you are recommended to uncheck this box
[07:04] fabricius yes good
[07:04] hrsms I'll be migrating my old database later?
[07:04] fabricius credentials and so on - you run through
[07:04] fabricius yes later
[07:04] hrsms So it should be unchecked?
[07:05] fabricius unchecked?
[07:05] hrsms Or no?  We went to that trouble to do the collation...
[07:05] fabricius no we need it
[07:05] fabricius a new one
[07:05] hrsms database engine?
[07:05] fabricius we did not do anything with the old - have a new one, so just populate a new database
[07:06] hrsms MyISAM or InnoDB?
[07:06] fabricius there must be a button - you entered the credentials and now you must create the database (tables) in the installer
[07:06] fabricius InnoDB
[07:07] fabricius but not important
[07:07] hrsms Changed to InnoDM and clicked "install".  Installation complete.
[07:07] fabricius developers have not yet finally desided what eventually to recommend as both are tested
[07:07] fabricius super
[07:08] hrsms general admin page
[07:08] fabricius now you can type in some credentials if you want and click until you enter and lock (left button)
[07:08] fabricius tell me, if you see the tiki-index.php or s.th. else
[07:09] hrsms tiki-index.php
[07:09] fabricius cool
[07:10] fabricius so it worked out
[07:10] hrsms Is it now possible to get my current site using 9.2?
[07:12] fabricius when you want to upgrade the oldsite, you take a dump from the old one - phpMyAdmin export - and you tick include "dump" parameter
[07:13] fabricius arrgl (which means another grunt) ... "drop table" parameter not dump!!!
[07:13] fabricius I misstyped that
[07:15] fabricius so if you use the "drop table" thing you need even not to delete the tables of the new database befor you import
[07:15] fabricius BUT best wouldbe to delete the tables of the new one before you import
[07:15] fabricius (different versions)
[07:16] hrsms there are tons of options here !!!!
[07:16] hrsms You mean this one:
[07:16] hrsms Add DROP TABLE / VIEW / PROCEDURE / FUNCTION / EVENT statement
[07:16] fabricius you might face charset or entity problems on the new site - cross fingers that not, cause that'd be kind of ugly
[07:17] fabricius yes the drop table statement
[07:17] hrsms And the others should be on or off?
[07:17] hrsms Add CREATE PROCEDURE / FUNCTION / EVENT statement
[07:17] hrsms CREATE TABLE options:
[07:17] hrsms IF NOT EXISTS
[07:17] hrsms AUTO_INCREMENT
[07:17] fabricius actually your site will be 9.x and not 9.2
[07:18] fabricius most on
[07:18] fabricius hehe
[07:18] fabricius i just go to a phpmyadmin looking
[07:18] fabricius checking
[07:19] fabricius ah none open ,,, too lazy to get the passwords
[07:20] fabricius if you can choose between either or, just take option both
[07:20] fabricius and maily click through
[07:20] fabricius mainly
[07:21] hrsms I left the settings as they were and clicked "GO".  The dump has been saved to a file on the server
[07:23] fabricius so for today we do it the dumb way and download it, import fro disk ... next time we learn export/import via command line (would have been imported by now).
[07:26] fabricius I see you seem to be on the way to import
[07:26] hrsms ?
[07:27] fabricius maybe delete the tables before, import the file and clicck through the installer again
[07:27] fabricius same procedure
[07:27] hrsms OK...
[07:28] hrsms Select all tables and "drop"?
[07:28] fabricius yes
[07:28] fabricius nearly falling asleep now
[07:29] hrsms I've moved to import tab, selected file from server.  Ready to click "GO"?
[07:29] fabricius yes
[07:29] fabricius getting a fag and hope you report success before I'm knocked out
[07:29] fabricius ;-)
[07:30] hrsms import in progress....
[07:32] hrsms taking a long time....
[07:35] fabricius yes runtime the risky thing
[07:36] fabricius I hope you have not many files in the database
[07:36] hrsms It is done.  I've gone through the installer.   Partial success.
[07:36] fabricius whazup?
[07:37] hrsms I see my home page, but some of the pages do not work.  Care to look, or are you "knocked out"?
[07:41] hrsms http://www.hrsms.org/hrsms_tiki/SVN_90_Branch/9.x/Home+Page
[07:44] fabricius I think it cannot really work, if you had absolute links in it
[07:44] fabricius maybe switch domain to it for a moment to check?
[07:48] hrsms Actually, everything seems to be working except that all the categories are gone.  The pages I saw not working are using the categories.  Since there are none, they just come up blank.  Maybe they are not deleted.  Maybe I just have to turn Categories on in admine
[07:48] hrsms admin
[07:49] hrsms That's not it.  This feature is active
[07:49] fabricius how they disappear? have been in the original I guess
[07:50] fabricius yes the models do not work
[07:51] hrsms the categories exist in the new database.  I can see them in tiki_categories table
[07:52] fabricius maybe an issue to ask in the devlist or the userlist
[07:53] hrsms what are these?
[07:53] fabricius tiki does not recognise them whilst they are in the table?
[07:53] fabricius the lists?
[07:54] hrsms I guess I don't know what these lists are.  Forums?
[07:54] fabricius only thing we do not dogfood due to tradition ... our sourceforge lists
[07:54] fabricius r you registered on tiki.org?
[07:54] hrsms I think so....
[07:55] fabricius there are our forums .... checking for the link to the lists
[07:56] hrsms Tracker images are gone too.
[07:56] fabricius https://tiki.org/Mailing+lists
[07:56] fabricius did you store in db or in directory?
[07:57] hrsms Directory, I think.
[07:57] hrsms above public_hrml?
[07:57] fabricius then you need to copy to /files
[07:57] fabricius no inside
[07:58] fabricius maybe you have em in the old tiki root
[07:59] fabricius should go to a directory besides the tikiroot
[07:59] fabricius another day
[07:59] hrsms No, I mean I think my folder for files and images is in a folder called tikifiles at the same level (not above) as public_html
[07:59] fabricius hmm but the path changed _ tiki cannot find them
[08:00] hrsms You've been so helpful.  I'm very grateful !!!
[08:00] fabricius need to change the path ../../../somewhere
[08:00] hrsms But, I do have one more question....
[08:00] fabricius yes?
[08:01] hrsms How can I replace the existing tiki with this one?  It would be good if this 9.x install was at hrsms.org/home so that any links to those pages are still valid.
[08:02] fabricius you simply need to point the domain
[08:02] fabricius cPanel
[08:02] fabricius domain admin area change the path
[08:03] hrsms Rename "home" to "archive" and rename "9.x" to "home"?
[08:03] fabricius it isabit awkward in cPanel
[08:03] fabricius no
[08:03] hrsms then what?
[08:05] fabricius your domain points now to public_html/home/hrsms right?
[08:06] fabricius should be switched to public_html/hrsms/SVN_90_Branch/9.x
[08:06] fabricius But
[08:06] hrsms no, it points to public_html.  There I have a welcome screen - just an index.html  From there you click to enter the tiki.
[08:07] fabricius I would move the whole Tikiroot one level higher (in SVN_90_Branch) and delete 9.x
[08:07] fabricius double container is useless
[08:08] fabricius mom checking
[08:08] hrsms I did that because at one time I had more than the tiki and wanted to be able to navigate to both
[08:08] hrsms Go to hrsms.org and you'll see the welcome screen
[08:08] fabricius have it
[08:08] hrsms Go to hrsms.org/home and you would see the current tiki, but it is not working
[08:08] fabricius click on it gives me a blank screen
[08:09] fabricius ahhh
[08:09] hrsms long story, that
[08:09] fabricius ok in this setup you are right
[08:09] hrsms tried upgrading using a script.  It didn't work.
[08:09] hrsms right about what?  Just rename the folders?
[08:10] fabricius I must think about how best to do, cause you have the absolute folders in the url
[08:10] fabricius like on demo.t.o
[08:10] hrsms demo.t.o ???
[08:11] fabricius maybe renaming, but then the container idea ... is it important to solve before this evening?
[08:11] fabricius short for demo.tiki.org
[08:11] hrsms not imperative, no.  It is not a commercial site.
[08:12] fabricius may I suggest a subdomain or so?
[08:12] fabricius depends on your plans anyway
[08:14] hrsms No plans.  How would I use a subdomain in this situation?
[08:14] fabricius or you take the start page into tiki andforward to future projects from there
[08:14] fabricius use subdomain for them
[08:15] fabricius if it is all the same, your setupmakes no sense
[08:15] hrsms I guess links to hrsms.org/home would cease to work.  That's not the end of the world.  Most links are proably just to hrsms.org.  And I doubt too many links to us exist anyway.
[08:15] fabricius and you even could setup different sites in Tiki to a certain extent
[08:16] fabricius not necessarily cease to work, as I could write you a rewrite rule for the htaccess
[08:17] hrsms ah, yes.  I've even done that myself, long ago.  Forgot about it.
[08:17] fabricius one line might do it
[08:18] fabricius make a tiki landingpage like the index one, just as wikipage
[08:18] fabricius and you should activate SEFurl
[08:19] fabricius write to the list or forum regarding the category issue
[08:20] hrsms Is is possible to make hrsms.org go directly to SVN_90_Branch/9.x/Home+Page?  I thought bluehost controlled that, and it goes to public_html?
[08:23] fabricius you point it to 9.x and you configure the actual home in Tiki - can be literally anything
[08:25] hrsms grrml....
[08:26] hrsms (to borrow a grunt phrase)
[08:26] hrsms I don't get it....
[08:27] fabricius somewherein the cPanel you shoul find an option to define where the domain points to
[08:27] hrsms Oh....
[08:27] hrsms I didn't know that was possible.
[08:28] fabricius maybe get some assistance from blue host - you pay for it
[08:28] hrsms OK.  I won't ask you :-)
[08:28] hrsms But I really do appreciate the hours of help you've given.  Very generous!!  I wish I could buy you a beer.
[08:29] hrsms (presuming you drink beer - no German stereotyping)
[08:29] fabricius it might be, that the first (main) domain is a bit different with cPanel and with blue host
[08:29] fabricius :-D
[08:30] hrsms I guess I'll call it quits for the night.  It's 2:30am and I'm going to get yelled at when I crawl into bed.
[08:30] fabricius maybe we one day meet up at aTikiFest or so ... they are not only for devs andI hope you like to contribute to the community
[08:31] fabricius I am getting knocked aswell
[08:31] fabricius seas
[08:32] hrsms I've had ideas for things I'd like to develop, but I don't think I'll even find the time.   It's been two years since I've worked on a boat model.  That should be my priority.  But if I can contribute withouth spending hundreds of hours writing code, yes, I would like to give back
[08:32] hrsms "ever" find the time
[08:36] hrsms thanks again, many times over.  tusind tak!!
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[10:39] gour morning
[10:40] gour gmane page says that posting is allowed to tiki-user, but i do not see my post went through?
[10:44] gour now i got reply that my message is rejected :-(
[10:44] gour it would be nice to fix misleading info on gmane page :-/
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[19:13] arildb Hi RobertPlummer, I ran the htmlconvert on the WYSIWYG Sample Page, i.e. starting in html. Only 1 error reported: A [//tiki.org|link|nocache] ... missing http
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[20:44] RobertPlummer arildb: Thanks for running.
[20:44] RobertPlummer arildb: Can you send me the output?
[20:46] arildb RobertPlummer: it's easy to replicate. Just enable WYSIWYG on your local system. That will create the WYSIWYG Sample file. Then run htmlconvert
[20:47] RobertPlummer ah, very good.
[20:48] RobertPlummer arildb: What this means now is that basically we just need to configure ckeditor to have add a few additional attributes on certain items and we will be very close to alpha/beta, already past experimental.
[20:49] arildb It's looking much better, but I think some more testing is required. I can help with this part
[20:51] arildb RobertPlummer: would be nice to have a more compact report created by htmlconvert, maybe with explcit runs to show details
[20:51] arildb messy with a lot of pages
[20:52] RobertPlummer arildb: I know, but I wanted to have all the output, when you run, you could send to me, and I could fix.
[20:52] arildb ok
[21:01] arildb RobertPlummer: I modified htmlconvert only to report details when an error occured. Hope that's fine
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[21:04] RobertPlummer arildb: Love it
[21:04] arildb :-)
[21:18] refizul I copied a theme in styles/ and try to edit it, but Tiki tells me: Error Incorrect name. But I can apply the theme and I see changes made with an editor.
[21:24] fabricius what is the name?
[21:26] refizul I copied from arcturus.css to test-foo-arcturus.css
[21:26] refizul and I copied the option subdir to new name, too
[21:36] refizul is this a problem with dashes in filename?
[21:37] refizul seems so - I can access same file via hardlink filename without dashes
[21:37] fabricius you should try to rename to a complete new name without hyphen "-"
[21:37] fabricius hyphen, yes, mostlikely
[21:37] refizul why is that?
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[21:38] fabricius hyphen is good for customisations, but for online websitebased editing it doesn't work
[21:38] fabricius don't know
[21:39] refizul Underlines do not work either
[21:41] fabricius yes
[21:42] fabricius hyphen was committed to customise without the need of new folders and templates - making variants of existing themes
[21:42] arildb RobertPlummer: I am downloading a database with lots of HTML wiki pages. Should be a good test database for htmlconvert
[21:52] refizul Now I edited the css and the file's content was deleted when I saved
[21:57] refizul I can repeat and reproduce this
[21:58] hrsms 1) I can't seem to add images to a tracker.
[21:58] hrsms I'm having a couple problems after an upgrade to 9.2 ...
[21:59] hrsms 2) special characters are not displayed properly.  This includes text I added as well as the >> that tiki uses to separate parent/child categories.  So I see parent &gt;&gt; child instead of parent>>child
[22:00] hrsms regarding the tracker images, I see this in the documentation:
[22:00] hrsms The images are stored in the sub directory img/trackers. The filenames are encoded at the upload.
[22:00] hrsms But in the tracker admin I see an option to specify a folder.  I'm trying to use this option.
[22:06] arildb RobertPlummer: I have problems downloading the database, but I tried the page: http://dev.tiki.org/WYSIWYG+testing
[22:06] arildb Result...
[22:07] arildb Processing WYSIWYG testing
[22:07] arildb Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 267386880 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 198377 bytes) in D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\lib\core\JisonP
[22:07] arildb arser\Html.php on line 57
[22:07] arildb Call Stack:
[22:07] arildb 0,0010     126760   1. {main}() D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\doc\devtools\htmlconvert.php:0
[22:07] arildb 2,3104   23660560   2. tf() D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\doc\devtools\htmlconvert.php:44
[22:07] arildb 3,6918   26972696   3. JisonParser_Html_Handler->parse() D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\doc\devtools\htmlconvert.php:14
[22:07] arildb 3,6919   26982520   4. JisonParser_Html->parse() D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\lib\core\JisonParser\Html\Handler.php:97
[22:07] arildb 80,4134   73707968   5. JisonParser_Html->parser_performAction() D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\lib\core\JisonParser\Html.php:253
[22:09] hrsms I tested uploading same image to file gallery, and that worked.
[22:13] USlacker polom - good afternoon, all
[22:13] USlacker can anyone help wiith an upgrade question
[22:14] arildb USlacker: just state your problem/question. Then wait and see
[22:15] USlacker Running tiki on amahi.  To upgrade they recommend remmoval and re-install :-)
[22:15] USlacker I was wise enough to dump sql ahead of time
[22:17] USlacker and good thing - the uninstall removed the db
[22:18] USlacker so I installed 9.2 and when it finished, removed the new empty db and recreated with my old 6.3 db
[22:18] USlacker then removed the lock file and re-ran tiki-install
[22:18] USlacker it seems to want to create the db from scratch again, even though it is there and populated
[22:19] USlacker how to tell tiki to upgrade not re-install db?
[22:19] arildb USlacker: You are not getting the upgrade option at the end of the process, only install?
[22:20] USlacker correct
[22:20] arildb check local.php and the db settings
[22:21] USlacker ah - local.php says db is at 9.2
[22:21] USlacker and that's not true
[22:21] arildb may be from the first install
[22:21] USlacker so I should change that to 6.3
[22:21] USlacker and try again
[22:22] USlacker ?
[22:22] arildb I don't think it matters much
[22:22] arildb the username+password is correct, and the db rights are set OK?
[22:23] USlacker yes
[22:25] * arildb out of ideas
[22:27] USlacker arildb - thanks!
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[22:43] USlacker arildb: think I found the issue
[22:43] USlacker my sql dump was truncated
[22:44] USlacker saved by a backup however
[22:44] USlacker :-)
[22:44] arildb USlacker: lucky
[22:44] USlacker luck favors the prepared!
[22:44] arildb yes
[22:56] USlacker that did it.  I now have an upgrade prompt!
[23:02] USlacker well, backups FTW!
[23:08] refizul anyone experience with Tiki on PHP+Suhosin?
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