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[00:04] fabricius polom
[00:04] fabricius back home
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[01:17] refizul gnarf - I'm wasting hours to learn things which cannot work
[01:19] refizul No Tiki on BSD unless BSD isn't set up with high performance, i.e. native
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[01:37] refizul red mark for the calendar - three failed virtual installations in a sequence
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[07:44] gour i'm trying to install 10.0 beta on my localhost running mariadb-5.5.x, but installer does not recognize it?
[07:51] luciash polom
[07:51] luciash gour: sorry, we do not support mariadb - is it fully mysql compatible ?
[07:56] luciash afaik
[07:56] luciash if it is fully compatible, it should be just matter of selecting the mysql one or adding it to the dropdown i guess ?
[07:58] gour mariadb is drop-in replacement for mysql
[07:59] gour what about http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements#MySQL saying mariadb is supported?
[08:01] gour let me take a look at installer
[08:12] luciash oh, do u have php-mysql or simmilar installed ?
[08:12] luciash i dunno about mariadb unfortunatelly
[08:15] gour yes, php-mysql is installed
[08:16] gour oops
[08:16] gour it was uninstalled when i replaced mysql with mariadb
[08:22] gour it works now, although, iirc, mariadb has it own replacement for innodb, so maybe it would be nice to add some mariadb-specific logic to detect it's mariadb
[08:23] luciash cool
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[08:43] gour anyone familiar with WP importer?
[08:45] gour first it failed with 256MB mem. limit (it's smalle blog - 3 posts, 2 comments and few pics), now (after increasing limit to 512MB) with: Fatal error: Call to a member function fetchRow() on a non-object in /usr/share/nginx/www/tiki/installer/installlib.php on line 252
[08:50] gour skipping images, it did finish :-)
[09:07] marclaporte :-)
[09:08] marclaporte gour:  FYI: http://info.tiki.org/Top+10+Reasons
[09:10] gour marclaporte: i saw post on devel list and looked at it...it's very nice & clean now
[09:12] gour do you all use straight svn for commit or someone uses some xyz-svn client like the ones for {bzr,hg,git}?
[09:13] marclaporte a few use Git-svn
[09:14] gour good...will git{gub} mirror be just mirror or functional to commit as well?
[09:15] gour for our small company (providing counselling & homeopathy treatments), we need to put together a small 'shop'...tiki is capable to do it?
[09:15] luciash gour: with some efforts, see otaku.com
[09:16] gour we'd need just to list 'products' and after checkout to provide info how to pay via netbanking etc. later, we might add credit-card authorization using some custom payment module for form-based api
[09:18] gour luciash: thanks. looks cute
[09:19] luciash gour: made by jonnyb
[09:20] marclaporte git will be just mirror
[09:21] gour luciash: there are some missing parts in tiki for such setup?
[09:21] marclaporte tax handling is missing
[09:21] gour that's good..our company is not in the 'tax' system :-)
[09:39] gour ...and considering that the new law increased the limit for 'tax-exemption', we can stay small :-)
[09:39] gour ..unless we decide to enter into tiki-consulting business and become rich :-D
[09:40] luciash :)
[09:45] marclaporte In which case, you can code the feature :-) :-)
[09:46] marclaporte gour:  There is no Wiki consultant in Croatia: http://www.wikimatrix.org/consultants/Tiki+Wiki+CMS+Groupware/-
[09:47] marclaporte You could be the first :-)
[09:49] gour heh...my 1st profession is 'computer engineering' which i graduated long ago, but life went into another direction...however my company can offer computer-related services as well..who knows...if there would be emergency or for selected clients...not as full-time web agency :-)
[09:51] gour but let me learn some tiki basics 1st...it runs under nginx on my localhost, but no seo-friendly urls yet
[09:52] * luciash graduated industry design ;)
[09:52] gour luciash: you're doing tiki services now?
[09:52] luciash yup :)
[09:52] gour cool ;)
[09:53] luciash webdesign related mostly
[09:53] gour considering tiki is not into MVC...does it mean any moderb
[09:53] luciash but consultation and setup/customization too
[09:53] gour *modern php book (i've bwginning php) + mysql is ok?
[09:54] gour *beginning php 5.3
[09:54] gour luciash: so, you're the one for 'theme revamp' project?
[09:55] gour besides themes.tiki site, any other l
[09:55] gour place to find some tiki themes
[09:56] gour those typing errors are from my 7-month old daughter :-)
[09:56] luciash lol
[09:56] luciash yep, i am into themes. i am author of the *lite CSS "framework"
[09:59] gour ohh
[09:59] gour i must say i like, in general, simplicity
[10:00] luciash Gary has site called zkakakina.com but mostly his theme ports are on themes.t.o too
[10:00] luciash i do not know any other tiki themes site
[10:00] gour “Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler.”
[10:00] luciash zukakakina.com
[10:00] gour i saw that
[10:00] luciash yup, i like KISS too
[10:01] gour do you plan for the future to adjust *lite, if required, or use something else?
[10:02] luciash it was/is on my todo list to have site providing tiki themes but did not get to it yet... too many things to do (do not have personal site currently even)
[10:02] gour heh
[10:02] luciash i did not have need to adjust it yet, but if there is demand...
[10:03] gour tiki's themes are in general, 3-column?
[10:03] luciash it can be 2-1-3
[10:04] luciash u just switch off column(s) and have 1 col site which u can customize
[10:05] gour so, no need for YAML, bootstrap etc :-)
[10:06] luciash for example i made for a client this theme : http://www.hejduk.cz
[10:06] luciash well, i do not see that need but some ppl request for it because they do not know how-to
[10:06] gour hwe
[10:06] gour nice one
[10:08] luciash if my time schedule allowed it i would write some tutorials, but, you know... time flies by quickly ;)
[10:08] gour it's like typo3...so complex for the most simple things...so that some can ask high fees :-)
[10:08] gour especially when you have kids :-)
[10:08] luciash yeah
[10:09] gour i'm so happy 'discovering' tiki which is simple & powerful
[10:09] gour have to put my site together and blog about it
[10:11] luciash glad u like it
[10:14] gour tried contao shortly, but they're not into community..tiki's community it the best i've experienced so far
[10:15] luciash yeah, that is one of the reasons i stayed with Tiki so long
[10:15] luciash community support rocks
[10:16] luciash :)
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[10:35] * gour hopes to be able to give something back
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[11:17] * gour is fetching tiki10-trunk and timing to discern bets option (pure svn, bzr-svn, git-svn)
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[11:34] deku sup guys
[11:41] deku so... im having an odd problem
[11:42] deku i properly delete some wikipages that someone created (its SEO spam)
[11:42] deku i removed them, but they still show up under "wikipages"
[11:42] deku if i click delete, it gives me page not found
[11:43] deku if i press edit it show me the content of the page (which i deleted now)
[11:43] deku http://imgur.com/a/Fa90j
[11:43] deku here are some pictures
[11:43] deku how the hell do i completely delete these 2 pages?
[11:44] arildb deku: try to rename the problem pages first .... I am not sure how you managed to get html encoding in the name
[11:45] deku these pages are not created by me
[11:45] deku spam bot created them
[11:45] arildb ok
[11:45] deku fukin hate that bot ^^
[11:46] arildb deku: If renaming doesn't work, delete directly in the database
[11:46] deku how can i rename the page if i cant access it?
[11:46] deku clicking the link to the page give me "page not found"
[11:47] deku how do i delete directly from the database? you mean like in phpmyadmin?
[11:47] arildb deleting directly in the database will work
[11:47] arildb yes phpadmin or similar
[11:47] gour marclaporte: http://fossilrepos.sourceforge.net/ ;)
[11:47] arildb the table is called tiki_pages
[11:48] deku when i click on the link:  Don't Miss Out On These Article Marketing Tips Straight From The Experts  all it shows me is: Page not found: "Don"
[11:52] deku ok i deleted them directly from the database...worked perfectly... thanks for your help...
[11:52] deku on a related note... what can be done to stop spam?
[11:53] deku captcha is already activated... any other methods to stop SEO spam?
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[12:19] luciash deku: block by IP
[12:21] deku i did that for a while, but they would just keep changing ips
[12:21] deku seemed like a pointless cat and mouse game
[12:21] deku i blocked like 30 different ips... just how many ips could these spammers be using?
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[12:29] luciash deku: u can block IP range like 232.123.*.* u know in Tiki banning but of course it is cat and mouse game, u r right
[12:31] luciash u use ReCaptcha, right ?
[12:34] deku yeah i activated a recaptcha months ago... didnt seem to stop the bots from signing up
[12:35] deku ill check the ips and see if i can find a range i can block... i doubt it.... they probably dont exactly own the range their spamming from (at least thats what i assume)
[12:38] luciash yeah, thay usually use cracked machines of unaware ppl
[12:38] luciash to spread the spam
[12:43] deku thats what i thought... damn botnets... so is there any other human verfication"
[12:44] deku i can activate for signup?
[12:48] luciash maybe with user tracker and some extra field where you would ask some special question
[12:48] luciash but i personally did not tried this
[12:50] luciash in trunk there should be PHPIDS to fight spam but dunno about it either
[12:50] luciash doc.tiki.org/PHPIDS and dev.tiki.org/PHPIDS
[12:55] deku "user tracker and some extra field" this sounds promising... could you elborate on how to do this? i cant find this anywhere
[12:58] luciash that is just a theory... i do not know if somebody tried to stop anonymous comments spam using a tracker or anything else
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[13:03] luciash what spammers u exactly have ?
[13:03] luciash comments spam or what kind of spam ?
[13:28] deku comments arent the problem
[13:28] deku they create wiki articles with gibberish and links to marketing/SEO/sketchy stuff
[13:28] ricks99 polom y'all
[13:31] luciash polom ricks99 !
[13:31] luciash deku: so u allow anonymous wiki edits, right
[13:31] ricks99 hiya luciash
[13:31] ricks99 luciash: still looking for the .selected class :(
[13:31] deku no anonymous, only users...
[13:32] luciash deku: ah, so they need to register first
[13:32] deku yes
[13:32] luciash deku: and the registrations are done by bot
[13:32] luciash ricks99: aye :(
[13:34] deku here we go again... he created a new spam page... and because it has a special charcters in the link it behaves all weird: i cant click the link (page not found) but i can edit the page and see its content.... this is whats on the page: http://pastebin.com/DGyRdpcg
[13:34] deku do i really have to go thorough phpmyadmin each time to delete these spam pages with "broken links"???
[13:35] luciash deku: u can go to tiki-removepage.php
[13:36] luciash and add ?page=Name of the page
[13:36] luciash bbl, lunch time here
[13:37] deku doesnt work :( Page cannot be found
[13:37] deku well... php my admin it is
[13:38] ricks99 deku: you can also delete pages from the tiki-list_pages.php
[13:38] deku doesnt work
[13:39] deku http://imgur.com/a/Fa90j
[13:40] deku when i click the little X to delete the page, i get "error: page cannot be found"
[13:40] deku the only way i can delete these pages is directly from the DB
[13:42] deku its kinda hard to explain... i think it has something to do with the " ' " in the link (all the pages that have been this way have that " ' ") but i cant access the page, i cant delete it. i can only edit it ( but once i press save it give me page not found again) or delete it from the database
[13:44] ricks99 can use the 'no special characters in page names" options so that only alphanumeric characters are allowed
[13:48] Jyhem_laptop deku: can you rename it from tiki-list_pages.php ?
[13:51] deku ehmmm.... i did not see an option to rename from tiki-list_pages.php.... the only options i saw where : delete edit copy history and perms
[13:51] deku the only option that worked was edit
[13:51] deku but i would get an error when i saved (page not found)
[13:51] deku the edit still saved though
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[13:55] deku ricks99: no special characters in page names is already activated
[13:58] deku anyway... i went ahead and deleted the page in Phpmyadmin....still... if anyone has an idea what causes these pages to be existant but not accesible or deletable... id love to hear your ideas.... also fuck spammers
[14:00] luciash deku: to prevent this, you can limit the characters in page names on Admin > Wiki
[14:02] ricks99 luciash: been looking at TPLs for the ".selected" issue... don't see any {if} statements that check for logged in vs. anonymous seetings  so far :(
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[14:02] luciash ricks99: is it possible tha class is injected using jQuery or other JS ?
[14:03] luciash i checked only in Firebug so far so I am unsure if it is really rendered in the page source or added by JS
[14:03] ricks99 argh...
[14:03] ricks99 maybe
[14:03] ricks99 *sigh*
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[14:16] deku how would i be able to tell the dif between bots and legit users?
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[14:17] ricks99 fake names?
[14:17] ricks99 can also add a registration tracker to require additional information
[14:18] deku now that sounds like a good option
[14:18] deku where do i do that?
[14:18] ricks99 admin: tracker
[14:18] ricks99 see docs for details
[14:18] deku kk thx
[14:20] luciash deku: u could also enable require passcode to register and show it up using custom JS to your users - bots usually cannot read JS generated content
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[14:31] deku how do i show a custom JS on the register page?
[14:32] deku seems like the best option if i can actually gt it to work
[14:36] RobertPlummer polom all
[14:36] luciash deku: u can try put this in a custom module: {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}document.write("YourPassCodeHere");{/jq}{/if} and then assign the module any zone you want
[14:39] luciash hi RobertPlummer !
[14:40] ricks99 polom RobertPlummer
[14:43] luciash deku: sorry, u cannot use document.write in fact, that was bad JS example ;) hold on
[14:46] deku sooooo.... im not doing this correctly somehow....this is what i did:  1.) create new custom module 2.) paste {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}... 3.) assign to page_top... and now it shown on everypage... not just on the register page... where did i go wrong?
[14:46] deku oh
[14:47] deku ok lol
[14:47] deku i just went on the register page... and i can definitly see a difference xD
[14:48] luciash :)
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[14:49] luciash deku: try this jQuery code instead of the document.write function: $("#tiki-center").append("YourPassCode");
[14:50] luciash deku: or #pagetop_modules instead #tiki-center
[14:51] deku like this? {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}$("#tiki-center").append("YourPassCode");{/jq}{/if}
[14:51] luciash depends where you want it to appear
[14:51] luciash yes
[14:51] deku ok... and then assign it to what?
[14:52] deku i assigned it to page top before and it created this empty box on every page
[14:52] luciash assign to pagetop and put nobox=y as param
[14:52] deku ahhh ofcourse
[14:52] deku silly me :)
[14:52] deku thanks man
[14:52] deku ill go try it out
[14:56] luciash np, for more info about jQuery append see api.jquery.com/append/
[15:00] * luciash wonders who had the clever idea to put the site sender email address on the tiki-register page in the remarksbox note for spambots in clear text ?
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[15:39] deku luciash: i cant get this to work.... tried it like 5 times with different settings... i feel like im missing something....
[15:39] luciash deku: how come ?
[15:39] deku it never shows
[15:40] deku tried to get it under the pagetitle like this:  {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}$(".pagetitle").append("cannapedia420");{/jq}{/if}
[15:40] deku only tried that after the other 2 you suggested didnt work
[15:41] deku then i assigned to pagetop or bottom and went to register page
[15:41] deku no dice
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[15:42] luciash assigned to Anonymous group ?
[15:42] deku assigned to all groups.... should i change it to only anon?
[15:42] luciash no
[15:43] luciash it works here
[15:46] luciash deku: my code is {jq}$("form[name='RegForm']").prepend("<b>Passcode to register:</b> l33tB0tZ");{/jq}
[15:47] luciash deku: could it be that in 9.2 there is no templates/tiki-register.tpl ?
[15:48] luciash deku: you told before it showed and u saw difference... so i do not understand how come it does not work now for u
[15:48] deku imma try that :D (on an unrelated note: whats the link to the demo tiki 9x... couldnt find it^^)
[15:49] luciash demo.tiki.org
[15:50] deku duh ^^
[16:03] deku i just did it on demo.tiki and it worked without a problem.... did the same thing as on my site... no dice
[16:06] RobertPlummer hi luciash, ricks99 sorry for the late reply
[16:06] RobertPlummer multi tasking today
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[16:17] deku ok i tried it a couple of times now and i can NOT get it to work on my site, am i doing this correctly?? http://imgur.com/a/9yF1H    (last picture is just to show you that its not showing up)
[16:17] deku worked on demo.tiki without a problem
[16:24] luciash deku: looks correct; maybe don't use the cache
[16:25] luciash deku: i have position pagetop
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[16:25] deku ok i copied everything 1 to 1 from demo.tiki (where i got it to work) and now its working. i think cache was the problem
[16:25] deku set it to 0 now
[16:26] luciash yep, it could ache previous empty state or something
[16:27] deku thank you for your help :) this is really gonna save me lots of time that would otherwise be wasted deleting seo spam :)
[16:27] deku hopefully
[16:27] luciash maybe u will need to change from time to time, when they register it
[16:28] luciash hopefully they do not use something which can read JS
[16:28] luciash :)
[16:28] luciash lets see
[16:28] deku im gonna shit a brick if i get more spam tomorrow  ^^ (yeah i thought of that... im kinda hoping they have a fully automated system and never actually check it)
[16:28] deku you mean there are bots smart enough to read the passcode and use it??! thats some scary shit
[16:29] luciash hopefully not
[16:30] ricks99 speaking of spam/bots/captchas... anyone had success implementing a text-based captcha with tiki, for improved usability?
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[16:34] Bsfez Hi all
[16:35] ricks99 polom Bsfez
[16:36] Bsfez +1 about captcha
[16:36] luciash hi Bsfez
[16:38] ricks99 would love to have textcaptcha.com added
[16:38] Bsfez Hey Rick i saw a picture of you on fb, with a beautiful woman… something is in the air ? :D
[16:38] Bsfez Hi Luciash
[16:39] deku im all for more captcha... make em fill out like 4 of em... dont care... as long as it stops bots captcha is a ok by me :D
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[16:40] ricks99 Bsfez: lol. noting in the air :)
[16:41] ricks99 i have some projects that require specific accessibility requirements. current captcha selections dont meet them
[16:42] deku how bout using passcodes :P thats what i just did xD
[16:42] ricks99 passcode is valid for registration options. but i need it for other form subissions, too
[16:43] Bsfez ricks99: Hum ok
[16:43] Bsfez :)
[16:43] Bsfez About captcha it is important we choose a "multilinguale/cultural" captcha.
[16:44] Bsfez Some of the captcha are typically for en reader/speaker. Lot of people have troubles with them.
[16:44] ricks99 agreed. but if a text-based captcha, wouldnt it simply follow the tiki translation model?
[16:44] * ricks99 asks... not sure
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[16:55] deku cya guys gotta catch the bus :D thanks for all the help
[17:05] Bsfez ricks99: dunno… never though really deep about it… Actually the best captcha i found (user friendly) is at http://tinypic.com something logical, sometimes just wrote down, etc… it is good enough so non english can live
[17:23] fabricius ricks99 Bsfez - couldn't some dynamic variable be a direction to think, or maybe tranylation of a link or a link synonyme ... I am in contact with a Tiki admin, who did some crazy stuff by "missusing the language.php/customtranslation ... different pictures based on the site language by "translating" a name to image-links
[17:24] ricks99 use of images for captchas is not accessible by most standards :(
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[17:34] jonnyb polom
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[17:36] fabricius Bsfez ricks99 - http://solvemedia.com/publishers/
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[17:37] ricks99 fabricius: interesting, but video is hardly every accessible
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[17:50] luciash hi jonnyb !
[17:52] jonnyb hi luciash
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[17:58] deku sup guys
[17:58] luciash wb
[17:59] deku have another problem ^^.... my tikiwiki is sending emails when you register... test mails work... but validation emails dont
[17:59] deku any ideas what the cuase of this could be?
[17:59] deku i turned of passcodes for now but the problem still persists
[18:00] deku tried 3 different mail adresses and it been more then an hour since the first test registration
[18:00] deku test mail arrived in like a minute flat
[18:02] deku so: verfication mail: not okay -> test mail: okay
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[18:42] Bsfez re polom
[18:44] Bsfez fabricius, jonny, i'll be really available in 45mn. I have check next tiki.org for an hour seams things are ok.
[18:44] jonnyb hi Bsfez - well done, see you later
[18:45] Bsfez i do the bedtime story tonight ;)
[18:45] Bsfez tks
[18:59] deku i have a problem: verfication emails for signing up arent working. test emails work, but i dont get a email with the link when i register a new user. anybody have an idea whats causing this or how to troubleshoot it???
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[19:20] deku i have a problem: verfication emails for signing up arent working. test emails work, but i dont get a email with the link when i register a new user. anybody have an idea whats causing this or how to troubleshoot it???
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[19:35] jonnyb hi deku - which tiki version?
[19:35] deku 9.2
[19:36] deku just changed it to smtp and test mail still works
[19:36] deku testing now
[19:36] jonnyb hmm, thought they were ok in 9.2
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[19:41] redmi Hello everybody
[19:44] changi polom
[19:45] jonnyb hi all
[19:45] changi jonnyb: hi
[19:45] redmi I'm a newbie in tiki (I'm working with Xavi de Pedro in www.precarios.org, a young researchers web against precariousness in research work in Spain) and I have a question.
[19:45] changi redmi: welcome
[19:45] Tiki|bot Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you!
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[19:47] redmi We are getting >140 Gb of http traffic and we suspect of tiki forums. Do you think that is better to upgrade to tiki 6.7 or tiki 9.X? Or anything else. Thank you.
[19:47] changi|bbl in which version are you now?
[19:48] redmi 6.4, changi
[19:50] Bsfez Hi changi|bbl
[19:50] deku verfication mail still aint working even with smtp
[19:52] ricks99 deku: which email? the one to the admin to verify new registrants? or the one to the user with the link?
[19:52] ricks99 did you review your mail logs?
[19:54] deku i checked tikilogs and it looks like it sent the email fine
[19:55] ricks99 which email?
[19:57] redmi changi|bbl: we have ruled out google/bing bots
[19:57] deku the email you get when you regsiter
[19:57] deku *register
[19:58] ricks99 who? the one that goes to the admin? or the one that goes to the user? many variations, depending on your setup
[19:58] deku "Validate new user registrations by email" that email
[19:58] deku the on to the user
[19:58] deku *one
[19:58] ricks99 you confirmed that the email was actully sent?
[19:59] ricks99 and it isn't in the user's spam box?
[19:59] deku i checked
[19:59] deku it not
[19:59] ricks99 not sent?
[19:59] deku the email was NOT sent
[19:59] deku im sorry if i wasnt clear on that
[19:59] ricks99 what was the error in the log?
[19:59] deku test email works
[19:59] deku how do i acces the log?
[19:59] deku tikilog says no error
[20:00] deku but no email sent
[20:00] ricks99 ur mail log? depends on your server
[20:00] ricks99 somehting like ../usr/mail/log ?
[20:00] ricks99 is your "sent from" address a valid mailbox on your server?
[20:00] ricks99 some configurations require that it be a real mailbox
[20:01] ricks99 ur using phpmail mailsend, right?
[20:02] deku i was using sentmail before, but i changed it to smtp now to test.. should i change it back?
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[20:03] ricks99 y. lets test 1 at a time
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[20:06] deku "Validate user's email server" turn this on or off?
[20:06] ricks99 off
[20:09] deku ok its off already for testing.... now i just sent myself a testmail using sendmail... so that works
[20:09] deku gonna try register now
[20:09] ricks99 what is your "sent from" mail address?
[20:11] deku admin@mydomain
[20:11] ricks99 1. that is an invalid address
[20:11] ricks99 that's why it isn't being sent
[20:12] ricks99 make it a valid email address, then create a corresponding mail box on your host
[20:13] deku ok it works now... but i dont know what i did to fix it.... (the address isnt actually "mydomain" its a valid email"
[20:13] deku lets see if i can get it to work a seconfd time
[20:13] ricks99 ok
[20:13] ricks99 working ok?
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[20:17] redmi Ok, I leave the IRC open, maybe you have some tips for me. See you everybody.
[20:35] changi back
[20:36] jonnyb re-hi changi
[20:36] changi jonnyb: about your database issue with tweetid, from which version to which version was it ?
[20:37] jonnyb from 6 (originally 5) to 10 i think
[20:37] jonnyb if you check for tweetId in the upgrade schema it's not there (as a new column)
[20:37] changi jonnyb: ok will try that before release 10
[20:38] jonnyb smashing! :) i seem to remember you sorted out a few others like this on a previous release with a php script but i couldn't find it
[20:39] changi jonnyb: i rember that one
[20:39] changi s/rember/remember :)
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[20:48] changi jonnyb: 20100927_better_column_fix_tiki.php it was 2 years ago
[20:49] jonnyb coo, doesn't tiki fly :)
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[20:55] changi jonnyb: fresh install from 6.8 upgrade to 9.2 without problem
[20:56] changi jonnyb: ok 6.8 already have th tweetid :)
[20:56] jonnyb i think the tweet stuff arrived after tiki 5
[20:56] changi jonnyb: checking out 5.x
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[20:57] jonnyb seems it's one of the columns fixed in 20100927_better_column_fix_tiki.php - so must have failed for my upgrade
[20:58] changi jonnyb: maybe you upgrade your tiki5 when i was trying to have the perfect script
[20:58] jonnyb is possible - but didn't marclaporte1 also find this one?
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[21:03] changi marclaporte1: ??
[21:11] changi jonnyb: ok found it, from Tiki5 to Tiki9 :)
[21:12] jonnyb changi: ok, so that upgrade php script fails? :(
[21:12] changi jonnyb: apparently
[21:12] changi from 5 to 6 it fails
[21:13] jonnyb in the middle of another debug currently, will have a look shortly
[21:13] jonnyb catching it with a breakpoint should show what's going wrong
[21:14] jonnyb is the " AFTER `hash`" bit correct? (i always avoid AFTER in sql, it's usually trouble)
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[21:53] changi jonnyb: the strenge thing is when you launch it alone, it works, when you launch it with the other script (during upgrade) it failed
[21:57] jonnyb those upgrade php scripts are a but mystic
[21:57] jonnyb or do i mean fragile?
[22:05] changi jonnyb: found why :)
[22:05] jonnyb yay! (wow)
[22:05] changi we have 2 script with the same name and a different content
[22:06] jonnyb :D
[22:06] changi that's  why it's not working
[22:06] jonnyb ah, installlib.php?
[22:06] jonnyb or install something...
[22:07] changi my better fix .php
[22:08] changi 2 version : one with tweetid fix in tiki6 and on without in tiki5, but as the fix is already marked as being passed in tiki_schema it's not run a second time
[22:08] changi i will rename the one in tiki6 to be sure it'll be launched
[22:12] jonnyb sounds good
[22:13] changi ok commit
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[22:22] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.
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[22:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.
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[22:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.
[22:25] jonnyb looks good changi (from the diffs anyway)
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[22:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.
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[22:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.
[22:26] * jonnyb is impressed by the depth of backporting
[22:27] changi i wonder if i should do it in tags :)
[22:27] jonnyb changi: i'll start a merge (branch update)
[22:27] changi trunk is on his way
[22:27] jonnyb not allowed in tags (as well you know) ;)
[22:27] changi jonnyb: was a joke :)
[22:27] jonnyb you merging?
[22:28] changi jonnyb: yep
[22:28] * jonnyb cancels
[22:29] changi jonnyb: another thing we should fix is : in installib we separate schema (for sql script) from script (for .php script) but we store them at the same place
[22:30] jonnyb i suppose you could just test for either kind of file and work it out that way
[22:30] changi jonnyb: and the code is strange, sometime it look in schema folder to check if there is php script and sometime in script forlder
[22:31] changi i thing we should remove that folder 'script' and focus on schema
[22:32] changi trunk is up2date
[22:33] jonnyb merci changi
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[22:34] jonnyb how are we doing with the doc|dev*.tiki.org upgrade?
[22:34] jonnyb and when i say "we" i mean you obviously :)
[22:35] changi i can do it now, i was waiting for some order :)
[22:35] jonnyb Bsfez is hiding in Skype but we could wake him up
[22:35] changi let's do it
[22:35] changi (switching doc and dev )
[22:36] gour i've heard few devs uses git-svn to work on tiki...considering that i never used svn (only a bit of CVS) and spent most of my time with dvcs (darcs,bzr,mtn,hg, mostly fossil now and some git), do you recommend git-svn which probably has the best client of those dvcs-svn ones?
[22:37] changi gour: are you going to commit things on sf.net ?
[22:37] changi gour: or is it just to pull code ?
[22:38] gour changi: marc gave me commit access and i hope to take adavantage of it at one point
[22:38] * jonnyb is currently totally lost in git, so will ignore this one
[22:38] changi jonnyb: you shouldn't, it's very powerfull
[22:38] * gour recommends fossil as easy & powerful dvcs to jonnyb
[22:39] changi gour: for now, i only pull code with git-svn, never try to commit with it
[22:39] gour jonnyb: it is dvcs, but can work almost like centalized svn/dvcs tool
[22:39] gour changi: i see...that's helpful to know
[22:40] * gour recommends tiki to move to fossil to make it easier for all users :-)
[22:41] changi gour: don't think that fossil is more known by users, (i didn't know it)
[22:41] changi gour: svn is not so bad
[22:41] gour changi: it's written by author of sqlite and used for it as well
[22:42] gour changi: i'm accustomed to use dvcs, have feature branches etc.
[22:42] jonnyb changi: fabricius1 seems to be still awake (yay!) so shall we do the upgrade thing? do you have a rollback strategy? (should be fine but... ;) )
[22:42] changi jonnyb: i always have a rollback stategy :)
[22:42] gour changi: this is interesting - http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki
[22:42] jonnyb :)
[22:43] gour changi: moreover, the whole repos is in one (sqlite3 db )file and the whole application is single executable written in C...with built-in wiki, distributed bug tracker and web ui
[22:46] changi gour: as i say i hadn't heard of it since you've mentioned it
[22:46] changi gour: looks nice
[22:46] gour changi: well, now you know ;=
[22:46] * changi wonder why sf.net doesn't provide it :)
[22:47] gour changi: i tried and used many DVCS-es, but like & understand his argument: http://pastebin.com/Xx7GKMc9
[22:47] * changi switching doc :)
[22:47] gour changi: http://fossilrepos.sourceforge.net/
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[22:48] changi gour: git is not so difficult
[22:48] gour changi: it would go nicely along with tiki's "simplicity & powerful"
[22:49] gour changi: have you ever had need to dive into refslog?
[22:49] changi gour: no
[22:50] * gour considers that git's is dangerous, non-orthoganal design etc. and (too) complex...especially for not so techie users
[22:50] gour *non-orthogonal
[22:51] gour ...and it requires from me too much thinking about the tool itself, as richard put nicely
[22:51] gour now, git is hype...
[22:52] gour who knows what would happen if darcs and/or mtn were quicker when evaluated by linus
[22:52] changi gour: like you say "who knows" :)
[22:53] gour changi: let me say that i've decided for tiki over typo3...now you can understand i do honour simplicity & power ;)
[22:53] * jonnyb agrees fossil looks good, but can we really switch to a vcs i hadn't heard of 30 minutes ago?
[22:53] changi jonnyb: +1
[22:53] gour jonnyb: no need to rush...provide some kind of mirror, ask users to try it out etc.
[22:54] gour jonnyb: do you know about mtn?
[22:54] gour or darcs?
[22:55] jonnyb gour: of course, please go ahead, but the experiments with svn/git integration a few years ago didn't get very far due to lack of inertia
[22:55] jonnyb nope
[22:57] gour jonnyb: i was using darcs in 2003 and some years later practically it was used by the whole haskell community...moreover, monotone is also one of the earliest dvcs around...fossil simply took best from many of 'em like sqlite database in mtn etc.
[22:57] gour jonnyb: moreover, you should be aware that author of sqlite3 is quite picky about security and sqlite has almost 100% test-coverage to catch regressions
[22:58] gour sqlite3 db can survice power outages without getting corrupt...try that with git ,)
[22:59] jonnyb sorry gour, buffer overflow, trying to do too many things already :)
[22:59] gour the main point for me & fossil is that's very easy to use allowing to focus on the content and not (d)vcs tool
[22:59] changi jonnyb: doc.tiki.org is 10
[22:59] gour jonnyb: np ;)
[23:00] gour jonnyb: i'll try to catch you some other day to ask about ecommerce in tiki..i got info you did a nice shop ;)
[23:00] refizul polom
[23:00] changi refizul: hi
[23:01] refizul future GNU/Linux distributions might have a file /etc/os-release which will be helpful to decide username of webserver in setup.sh
[23:02] refizul JFTR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html
[23:04] changi refizul: in which future ?
[23:05] changi refizul: ubuntu has on since 12.10
[23:07] changi jonnyb: rebuilding lucene index
[23:07] jonnyb always fun :)
[23:08] jonnyb especially on that one, i guess
[23:08] refizul changi: Debain Squeeze does not have it
[23:08] changi refizul: don't think so
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[23:08] refizul about new standards: http://xkcd.com/927/
[23:09] jonnyb so true
[23:09] changi refizul: +10000
[23:10] jonnyb like tiki having one more pref to make it all simple
[23:10] changi refizul: i'm par of convergence project in my compagny
[23:10] changi jonnyb: lol
[23:10] changi jonnyb: lucene failed to build the index
[23:11] changi jonnyb: damned
[23:11] refizul announcement related to systemd was: Mon, 13 Feb 2012
[23:11] jonnyb ik
[23:11] changi jonnyb: why don't we have a simple log which say : "oups i missed that page"
[23:11] jonnyb any specific error?
[23:11] changi jonnyb: nothing
[23:12] changi jonnyb: just stopped
[23:12] jonnyb "make it optional" :)
[23:12] jonnyb try rebuild with log=y (or something)
[23:13] changi jonnyb: i did, it just log the last wikipage
[23:13] rwik hello all! I am trying to make it so when I go to print a page via the print button on top of the page it prints the page exactly as it looks in the wiki. I know you can set @media print and specify css for how it should look, but it does not seem to be working (at from the page generated by tiki-print).
[23:13] jonnyb just "rebuild log" should do it
[23:13] rwik Does anyone have any background in this area? any tips?
[23:13] jonnyb yes, so can you work out which page was next?
[23:14] changi AulaWiki is the last
[23:14] jonnyb sorry, no rwik, i don't print stuff ;)
[23:14] * changi save the planet, don't print :)
[23:15] rwik jonnyb: alright, thanks. I don't really either, but my office does.
[23:15] jonnyb changi: is it going in title order?
[23:15] jonnyb changi: maybe a clue in error.log?
[23:16] changi AuthPam is the next page
[23:16] jonnyb (or wherever cli php errors go)
[23:16] RobertPlummer changi: Just use energy created from burning coal, right?
[23:16] jonnyb does it render ok?
[23:16] RobertPlummer :)
[23:17] jonnyb hey RobertPlummer
[23:17] changi jonnyb: yes
[23:17] changi RobertPlummer: lol, hi
[23:17] jonnyb try rebuild again?
[23:18] changi jonnyb: 3 time, doesn't change anything
[23:19] jonnyb ew
[23:20] jonnyb sounds a bit like a block?
[23:20] jonnyb there must be a php error somewhere...
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[23:32] gour marclaporte: hiya, what do you think about this: http://pastebin.com/Xx7GKMc9
[23:35] jonnyb gour: does fossil have an svn import feature?
[23:35] gour jonnyb: yes, via git
[23:36] jonnyb sounds challenging :)
[23:36] gour today i clone tiki10 trunk and the whole repo is 481M here
[23:37] gour git repo (via git-svn) is 132M
[23:37] gour and tiki.fossil file is 29M which is good for the servers :-)
[23:38] gour here is something else which might be interesting for you...according to ohloh, tiki is 1,016,594 lines of code
[23:39] gour one similar project (tcl) is 1,211,570 lines of code (http://www.ohloh.net/p/tcltk) and here are two interesting links: http://www.patthoyts.tk/blog/tcl-and-tk-switch-to-dvcs.html & http://core.tcl.tk/tcl/timeline
[23:39] gour enjoy ;)
[23:39] * jonnyb wonders how changi is getting on
[23:40] gour http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/wiki?name=Cookbook#SVN
[23:42] changi jonnyb: now i play with the 7 errors :) what is the common denominator with page AulaWiki / AuthPAM / Backups ?
[23:42] changi jonnyb: if you find the answer you'll find the lucene problem
[23:42] changi lphuberdeau: ping
[23:43] gour i didn't use script, just git-svn clone and then fast-import from git...
[23:43] jonnyb i was going to suggest a naughtily plugin, but Backups?
[23:43] jonnyb maybe trying access a removed backups dir?
[23:43] changi jonnyb: i think it's Alias the problem
[23:44] jonnyb ah, sounds poss
[23:44] changi they all are Alias from a page
[23:44] changi if i remove them from indexer it works
[23:44] changi jonnyb: but we have a lot of them
[23:45] changi wonder why lph is not there when we need him :)
[23:45] gour jonnyb: it went very quickly - see http://pastebin.com/C4WxszJ5
[23:45] jonnyb so it's 3 pages fail? or 3 aliaises?
[23:45] changi he should appear like  a genius
[23:45] changi :)
[23:46] changi jonnyb: in fact all wiki page which are Aliases from page failed
[23:46] changi so 3 aliases :)
[23:47] jonnyb not sure how to help
[23:49] changi marclaporte: ping
[23:52] changi it's like Quebec is unreachable for now :)
[23:52] jonnyb seems so
[23:52] changi jonnyb: is it possible to catch if the page is a alias to skip it
[23:53] jonnyb not sure how they're handled in indexing
[23:53] jonnyb investigating...
[23:59] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Sorry I'm in and out all day
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