#tikiwiki 2012-11-26,Mon

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	i'm trying to install 10.0 beta on my localhost running mariadb-5.5.x, but installer does not recognize it?	[07:44]
luciash	polom gour: sorry, we do not support mariadb - is it fully mysql compatible ?	[07:51]
	afaik if it is fully compatible, it should be just matter of selecting the mysql one or adding it to the dropdown i guess ?	[07:56]
gour	mariadb is drop-in replacement for mysql what about http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements#MySQL saying mariadb is supported? let me take a look at installer	[07:58]
luciash	oh, do u have php-mysql or simmilar installed ? i dunno about mariadb unfortunatelly	[08:12]
gour	yes, php-mysql is installed oops it was uninstalled when i replaced mysql with mariadb	[08:15]
	it works now, although, iirc, mariadb has it own replacement for innodb, so maybe it would be nice to add some mariadb-specific logic to detect it's mariadb	[08:22]
luciash	cool	[08:23]
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gour	anyone familiar with WP importer? first it failed with 256MB mem. limit (it's smalle blog - 3 posts, 2 comments and few pics), now (after increasing limit to 512MB) with: Fatal error: Call to a member function fetchRow() on a non-object in /usr/share/nginx/www/tiki/installer/installlib.php on line 252	[08:43]
	skipping images, it did finish :-)	[08:50]
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marclaporte	:-) gour: FYI: http://info.tiki.org/Top+10+Reasons	[09:07]
gour	marclaporte: i saw post on devel list and looked at it...it's very nice & clean now do you all use straight svn for commit or someone uses some xyz-svn client like the ones for {bzr,hg,git}?	[09:10]
marclaporte	a few use Git-svn	[09:13]
gour	good...will git{gub} mirror be just mirror or functional to commit as well? for our small company (providing counselling & homeopathy treatments), we need to put together a small 'shop'...tiki is capable to do it?	[09:14]
luciash	gour: with some efforts, see otaku.com	[09:15]
gour	we'd need just to list 'products' and after checkout to provide info how to pay via netbanking etc. later, we might add credit-card authorization using some custom payment module for form-based api luciash: thanks. looks cute	[09:16]
luciash	gour: made by jonnyb	[09:19]
marclaporte	git will be just mirror	[09:20]
gour	luciash: there are some missing parts in tiki for such setup?	[09:21]
marclaporte	tax handling is missing	[09:21]
gour	that's good..our company is not in the 'tax' system :-)	[09:21]
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	...and considering that the new law increased the limit for 'tax-exemption', we can stay small :-) ..unless we decide to enter into tiki-consulting business and become rich :-D	[09:39]
luciash	:)	[09:40]
marclaporte	In which case, you can code the feature :-) :-) gour: There is no Wiki consultant in Croatia: http://www.wikimatrix.org/consultants/Tiki+Wiki+CMS+Groupware/- You could be the first :-)	[09:45]
gour	heh...my 1st profession is 'computer engineering' which i graduated long ago, but life went into another direction...however my company can offer computer-related services as well..who knows...if there would be emergency or for selected clients...not as full-time web agency :-) but let me learn some tiki basics 1st...it runs under nginx on my localhost, but no seo-friendly urls yet	[09:49]
luciash	luciash graduated industry design ;)	[09:52]
gour	luciash: you're doing tiki services now?	[09:52]
luciash	yup :)	[09:52]
gour	cool ;)	[09:52]
luciash	webdesign related mostly	[09:53]
gour	considering tiki is not into MVC...does it mean any moderb	[09:53]
luciash	but consultation and setup/customization too	[09:53]
gour	modern php book (i've bwginning php) + mysql is ok? beginning php 5.3 luciash: so, you're the one for 'theme revamp' project? besides themes.tiki site, any other l place to find some tiki themes those typing errors are from my 7-month old daughter :-)	[09:53]
luciash	lol yep, i am into themes. i am author of the *lite CSS "framework"	[09:56]
gour	ohh i must say i like, in general, simplicity	[09:59]
luciash	Gary has site called zkakakina.com but mostly his theme ports are on themes.t.o too i do not know any other tiki themes site	[10:00]
gour	“Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler.”	[10:00]
luciash	zukakakina.com	[10:00]
gour	i saw that	[10:00]
luciash	yup, i like KISS too	[10:00]
gour	do you plan for the future to adjust *lite, if required, or use something else?	[10:01]
luciash	it was/is on my todo list to have site providing tiki themes but did not get to it yet... too many things to do (do not have personal site currently even)	[10:02]
gour	heh	[10:02]
luciash	i did not have need to adjust it yet, but if there is demand...	[10:02]
gour	tiki's themes are in general, 3-column?	[10:03]
luciash	it can be 2-1-3 u just switch off column(s) and have 1 col site which u can customize	[10:03]
gour	so, no need for YAML, bootstrap etc :-)	[10:05]
luciash	for example i made for a client this theme : http://www.hejduk.cz well, i do not see that need but some ppl request for it because they do not know how-to	[10:06]
gour	hwe nice one	[10:06]
luciash	if my time schedule allowed it i would write some tutorials, but, you know... time flies by quickly ;)	[10:08]
gour	it's like typo3...so complex for the most simple things...so that some can ask high fees :-) especially when you have kids :-)	[10:08]
luciash	yeah	[10:08]
gour	i'm so happy 'discovering' tiki which is simple & powerful have to put my site together and blog about it	[10:09]
luciash	glad u like it	[10:11]
gour	tried contao shortly, but they're not into community..tiki's community it the best i've experienced so far	[10:14]
luciash	yeah, that is one of the reasons i stayed with Tiki so long community support rocks :)	[10:15]
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gour	gour hopes to be able to give something back	[10:35]
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gour	gour is fetching tiki10-trunk and timing to discern bets option (pure svn, bzr-svn, git-svn)	[11:17]
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	so... im having an odd problem i properly delete some wikipages that someone created (its SEO spam) i removed them, but they still show up under "wikipages" if i click delete, it gives me page not found if i press edit it show me the content of the page (which i deleted now) http://imgur.com/a/Fa90j here are some pictures how the hell do i completely delete these 2 pages?	[11:41]
arildb	deku: try to rename the problem pages first .... I am not sure how you managed to get html encoding in the name	[11:44]
deku	these pages are not created by me spam bot created them	[11:45]
arildb	ok	[11:45]
deku	fukin hate that bot ^^	[11:45]
arildb	deku: If renaming doesn't work, delete directly in the database	[11:46]
deku	how can i rename the page if i cant access it? clicking the link to the page give me "page not found" how do i delete directly from the database? you mean like in phpmyadmin?	[11:46]
arildb	deleting directly in the database will work yes phpadmin or similar	[11:47]
gour	marclaporte: http://fossilrepos.sourceforge.net/ ;)	[11:47]
arildb	the table is called tiki_pages	[11:47]
deku	when i click on the link: Don't Miss Out On These Article Marketing Tips Straight From The Experts all it shows me is: Page not found: "Don" ok i deleted them directly from the database...worked perfectly... thanks for your help... on a related note... what can be done to stop spam? captcha is already activated... any other methods to stop SEO spam?	[11:48]
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luciash	deku: block by IP	[12:19]
deku	i did that for a while, but they would just keep changing ips seemed like a pointless cat and mouse game i blocked like 30 different ips... just how many ips could these spammers be using?	[12:21]
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luciash	deku: u can block IP range like 232.123.. u know in Tiki banning but of course it is cat and mouse game, u r right u use ReCaptcha, right ?	[12:29]
deku	yeah i activated a recaptcha months ago... didnt seem to stop the bots from signing up ill check the ips and see if i can find a range i can block... i doubt it.... they probably dont exactly own the range their spamming from (at least thats what i assume)	[12:34]
luciash	yeah, thay usually use cracked machines of unaware ppl to spread the spam	[12:38]
deku	thats what i thought... damn botnets... so is there any other human verfication" i can activate for signup?	[12:43]
luciash	maybe with user tracker and some extra field where you would ask some special question but i personally did not tried this in trunk there should be PHPIDS to fight spam but dunno about it either doc.tiki.org/PHPIDS and dev.tiki.org/PHPIDS	[12:48]
deku	"user tracker and some extra field" this sounds promising... could you elborate on how to do this? i cant find this anywhere	[12:55]
luciash	that is just a theory... i do not know if somebody tried to stop anonymous comments spam using a tracker or anything else	[12:58]
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luciash	what spammers u exactly have ? comments spam or what kind of spam ?	[13:03]
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deku	comments arent the problem they create wiki articles with gibberish and links to marketing/SEO/sketchy stuff	[13:28]
ricks99	polom y'all	[13:28]
luciash	polom ricks99 ! deku: so u allow anonymous wiki edits, right	[13:31]
ricks99	hiya luciash luciash: still looking for the .selected class :(	[13:31]
deku	no anonymous, only users...	[13:31]
luciash	deku: ah, so they need to register first	[13:32]
deku	yes	[13:32]
luciash	deku: and the registrations are done by bot ricks99: aye :(	[13:32]
deku	here we go again... he created a new spam page... and because it has a special charcters in the link it behaves all weird: i cant click the link (page not found) but i can edit the page and see its content.... this is whats on the page: http://pastebin.com/DGyRdpcg do i really have to go thorough phpmyadmin each time to delete these spam pages with "broken links"???	[13:34]
luciash	deku: u can go to tiki-removepage.php and add ?page=Name of the page bbl, lunch time here	[13:35]
deku	doesnt work :( Page cannot be found well... php my admin it is	[13:37]
ricks99	deku: you can also delete pages from the tiki-list_pages.php	[13:38]
deku	doesnt work http://imgur.com/a/Fa90j when i click the little X to delete the page, i get "error: page cannot be found" the only way i can delete these pages is directly from the DB its kinda hard to explain... i think it has something to do with the " ' " in the link (all the pages that have been this way have that " ' ") but i cant access the page, i cant delete it. i can only edit it ( but once i press save it give me page not found again) or delete it from the database	[13:38]
ricks99	can use the 'no special characters in page names" options so that only alphanumeric characters are allowed	[13:44]
Jyhem_laptop	deku: can you rename it from tiki-list_pages.php ?	[13:48]
deku	ehmmm.... i did not see an option to rename from tiki-list_pages.php.... the only options i saw where : delete edit copy history and perms the only option that worked was edit but i would get an error when i saved (page not found) the edit still saved though	[13:51]
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deku	ricks99: no special characters in page names is already activated anyway... i went ahead and deleted the page in Phpmyadmin....still... if anyone has an idea what causes these pages to be existant but not accesible or deletable... id love to hear your ideas.... also fuck spammers	[13:55]
luciash	deku: to prevent this, you can limit the characters in page names on Admin > Wiki	[14:00]
ricks99	luciash: been looking at TPLs for the ".selected" issue... don't see any {if} statements that check for logged in vs. anonymous seetings so far :(	[14:02]
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luciash	ricks99: is it possible tha class is injected using jQuery or other JS ? i checked only in Firebug so far so I am unsure if it is really rendered in the page source or added by JS	[14:02]
ricks99	argh... maybe sigh	[14:03]
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deku	how would i be able to tell the dif between bots and legit users?	[14:16]
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ricks99	fake names? can also add a registration tracker to require additional information	[14:17]
deku	now that sounds like a good option where do i do that?	[14:18]
ricks99	admin: tracker see docs for details	[14:18]
deku	kk thx	[14:18]
luciash	deku: u could also enable require passcode to register and show it up using custom JS to your users - bots usually cannot read JS generated content	[14:20]
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deku	how do i show a custom JS on the register page? seems like the best option if i can actually gt it to work	[14:31]
RobertPlummer	polom all	[14:36]
luciash	deku: u can try put this in a custom module: {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}document.write("YourPassCodeHere");{/jq}{/if} and then assign the module any zone you want hi RobertPlummer !	[14:36]
ricks99	polom RobertPlummer	[14:40]
luciash	deku: sorry, u cannot use document.write in fact, that was bad JS example ;) hold on	[14:43]
deku	sooooo.... im not doing this correctly somehow....this is what i did: 1.) create new custom module 2.) paste {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}... 3.) assign to page_top... and now it shown on everypage... not just on the register page... where did i go wrong? oh ok lol i just went on the register page... and i can definitly see a difference xD	[14:46]
luciash	:)	[14:48]
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luciash	deku: try this jQuery code instead of the document.write function: $("#tiki-center").append("YourPassCode"); deku: or #pagetop_modules instead #tiki-center	[14:49]
deku	like this? {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}$("#tiki-center").append("YourPassCode");{/jq}{/if}	[14:51]
luciash	depends where you want it to appear yes	[14:51]
deku	ok... and then assign it to what? i assigned it to page top before and it created this empty box on every page	[14:51]
luciash	assign to pagetop and put nobox=y as param	[14:52]
deku	ahhh ofcourse silly me :) thanks man ill go try it out	[14:52]
luciash	np, for more info about jQuery append see api.jquery.com/append/ luciash wonders who had the clever idea to put the site sender email address on the tiki-register page in the remarksbox note for spambots in clear text ?	[14:56]
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deku	luciash: i cant get this to work.... tried it like 5 times with different settings... i feel like im missing something....	[15:39]
luciash	deku: how come ?	[15:39]
deku	it never shows tried to get it under the pagetitle like this: {if $mid eq "tiki-register.tpl"}{jq}$(".pagetitle").append("cannapedia420");{/jq}{/if} only tried that after the other 2 you suggested didnt work then i assigned to pagetop or bottom and went to register page no dice	[15:39]
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luciash	assigned to Anonymous group ?	[15:42]
deku	assigned to all groups.... should i change it to only anon?	[15:42]
luciash	no it works here deku: my code is {jq}$("form[name='RegForm']").prepend("<b>Passcode to register:</b> l33tB0tZ");{/jq} deku: could it be that in 9.2 there is no templates/tiki-register.tpl ? deku: you told before it showed and u saw difference... so i do not understand how come it does not work now for u	[15:42]
deku	imma try that :D (on an unrelated note: whats the link to the demo tiki 9x... couldnt find it^^)	[15:48]
luciash	demo.tiki.org	[15:49]
deku	duh ^^	[15:50]
	i just did it on demo.tiki and it worked without a problem.... did the same thing as on my site... no dice	[16:03]
RobertPlummer	hi luciash, ricks99 sorry for the late reply multi tasking today	[16:06]
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deku	ok i tried it a couple of times now and i can NOT get it to work on my site, am i doing this correctly?? http://imgur.com/a/9yF1H (last picture is just to show you that its not showing up) worked on demo.tiki without a problem	[16:17]
luciash	deku: looks correct; maybe don't use the cache deku: i have position pagetop	[16:24]
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deku	ok i copied everything 1 to 1 from demo.tiki (where i got it to work) and now its working. i think cache was the problem set it to 0 now	[16:25]
luciash	yep, it could ache previous empty state or something	[16:26]
deku	thank you for your help :) this is really gonna save me lots of time that would otherwise be wasted deleting seo spam :) hopefully	[16:27]
luciash	maybe u will need to change from time to time, when they register it hopefully they do not use something which can read JS :) lets see	[16:27]
deku	im gonna shit a brick if i get more spam tomorrow ^^ (yeah i thought of that... im kinda hoping they have a fully automated system and never actually check it) you mean there are bots smart enough to read the passcode and use it??! thats some scary shit	[16:28]
luciash	hopefully not	[16:29]
ricks99	speaking of spam/bots/captchas... anyone had success implementing a text-based captcha with tiki, for improved usability?	[16:30]
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Bsfez	Hi all	[16:34]
ricks99	polom Bsfez	[16:35]
Bsfez	+1 about captcha	[16:36]
luciash	hi Bsfez	[16:36]
ricks99	would love to have textcaptcha.com added	[16:38]
Bsfez	Hey Rick i saw a picture of you on fb, with a beautiful woman… something is in the air ? :D Hi Luciash	[16:38]
deku	im all for more captcha... make em fill out like 4 of em... dont care... as long as it stops bots captcha is a ok by me :D	[16:39]
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ricks99	Bsfez: lol. noting in the air :) i have some projects that require specific accessibility requirements. current captcha selections dont meet them	[16:40]
deku	how bout using passcodes :P thats what i just did xD	[16:42]
ricks99	passcode is valid for registration options. but i need it for other form subissions, too	[16:42]
Bsfez	ricks99: Hum ok :) About captcha it is important we choose a "multilinguale/cultural" captcha. Some of the captcha are typically for en reader/speaker. Lot of people have troubles with them.	[16:43]
ricks99	agreed. but if a text-based captcha, wouldnt it simply follow the tiki translation model? ricks99 asks... not sure	[16:44]
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deku	cya guys gotta catch the bus :D thanks for all the help	[16:55]
Bsfez	ricks99: dunno… never though really deep about it… Actually the best captcha i found (user friendly) is at http://tinypic.com something logical, sometimes just wrote down, etc… it is good enough so non english can live	[17:05]
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fabricius	ricks99 Bsfez - couldn't some dynamic variable be a direction to think, or maybe tranylation of a link or a link synonyme ... I am in contact with a Tiki admin, who did some crazy stuff by "missusing the language.php/customtranslation ... different pictures based on the site language by "translating" a name to image-links	[17:23]
ricks99	use of images for captchas is not accessible by most standards :(	[17:24]
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fabricius	Bsfez ricks99 - http://solvemedia.com/publishers/	[17:36]
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ricks99	fabricius: interesting, but video is hardly every accessible	[17:37]
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luciash	hi jonnyb !	[17:50]
jonnyb	hi luciash	[17:52]
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luciash	wb	[17:58]
deku	have another problem ^^.... my tikiwiki is sending emails when you register... test mails work... but validation emails dont any ideas what the cuase of this could be? i turned of passcodes for now but the problem still persists tried 3 different mail adresses and it been more then an hour since the first test registration test mail arrived in like a minute flat so: verfication mail: not okay -> test mail: okay	[17:59]
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Bsfez	joined #tikiwiki re polom fabricius, jonny, i'll be really available in 45mn. I have check next tiki.org for an hour seams things are ok.	[18:42]
jonnyb	hi Bsfez - well done, see you later	[18:44]
Bsfez	i do the bedtime story tonight ;) tks	[18:45]
deku	i have a problem: verfication emails for signing up arent working. test emails work, but i dont get a email with the link when i register a new user. anybody have an idea whats causing this or how to troubleshoot it???	[18:59]
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deku	i have a problem: verfication emails for signing up arent working. test emails work, but i dont get a email with the link when i register a new user. anybody have an idea whats causing this or how to troubleshoot it???	[19:20]
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jonnyb	hi deku - which tiki version?	[19:35]
deku	9.2 just changed it to smtp and test mail still works testing now	[19:35]
jonnyb	hmm, thought they were ok in 9.2	[19:36]
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changi	polom	[19:44]
jonnyb	hi all	[19:45]
changi	jonnyb: hi	[19:45]
redmi	I'm a newbie in tiki (I'm working with Xavi de Pedro in www.precarios.org, a young researchers web against precariousness in research work in Spain) and I have a question.	[19:45]
changi	redmi: welcome	[19:45]
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redmi	We are getting >140 Gb of http traffic and we suspect of tiki forums. Do you think that is better to upgrade to tiki 6.7 or tiki 9.X? Or anything else. Thank you.	[19:47]
changi\|bbl	in which version are you now?	[19:47]
redmi	6.4, changi	[19:48]
Bsfez	Hi changi\|bbl	[19:50]
deku	verfication mail still aint working even with smtp	[19:50]
ricks99	deku: which email? the one to the admin to verify new registrants? or the one to the user with the link? did you review your mail logs?	[19:52]
deku	i checked tikilogs and it looks like it sent the email fine	[19:54]
ricks99	which email?	[19:55]
redmi	changi\|bbl: we have ruled out google/bing bots	[19:57]
deku	the email you get when you regsiter *register	[19:57]
ricks99	who? the one that goes to the admin? or the one that goes to the user? many variations, depending on your setup	[19:58]
deku	"Validate new user registrations by email" that email the on to the user *one	[19:58]
ricks99	you confirmed that the email was actully sent? and it isn't in the user's spam box?	[19:58]
deku	i checked it not	[19:59]
ricks99	not sent?	[19:59]
deku	the email was NOT sent im sorry if i wasnt clear on that	[19:59]
ricks99	what was the error in the log?	[19:59]
deku	test email works how do i acces the log? tikilog says no error but no email sent	[19:59]
ricks99	ur mail log? depends on your server somehting like ../usr/mail/log ? is your "sent from" address a valid mailbox on your server? some configurations require that it be a real mailbox ur using phpmail mailsend, right?	[20:00]
deku	i was using sentmail before, but i changed it to smtp now to test.. should i change it back?	[20:02]
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ricks99	y. lets test 1 at a time	[20:03]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44078 10trunk/lib/ 10core/Tracker/Field/ItemLink.php 10trackers/trackerlib.php tikiwiki [MOD] Make the category inheritence on tracker item more generic, allowing to cascade status and delete as well - also improves logging and index update of status change	[20:04]
deku	"Validate user's email server" turn this on or off?	[20:06]
ricks99	off	[20:06]
deku	ok its off already for testing.... now i just sent myself a testmail using sendmail... so that works gonna try register now	[20:09]
ricks99	what is your "sent from" mail address?	[20:09]
deku	admin@mydomain	[20:11]
ricks99	1. that is an invalid address that's why it isn't being sent make it a valid email address, then create a corresponding mail box on your host	[20:11]
deku	ok it works now... but i dont know what i did to fix it.... (the address isnt actually "mydomain" its a valid email" lets see if i can get it to work a seconfd time	[20:13]
ricks99	ok working ok?	[20:13]
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redmi	Ok, I leave the IRC open, maybe you have some tips for me. See you everybody.	[20:17]
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changi	back	[20:35]
jonnyb	re-hi changi	[20:36]
changi	jonnyb: about your database issue with tweetid, from which version to which version was it ?	[20:36]
jonnyb	from 6 (originally 5) to 10 i think if you check for tweetId in the upgrade schema it's not there (as a new column)	[20:37]
changi	jonnyb: ok will try that before release 10	[20:37]
jonnyb	smashing! :) i seem to remember you sorted out a few others like this on a previous release with a php script but i couldn't find it	[20:38]
changi	jonnyb: i rember that one s/rember/remember :)	[20:39]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44079 10trunk/ 10tiki-filter-base.php 10lib/wiki/renderlib.php 10tiki-index.php 10lib/core/Multilingual/MachineTranslation/GoogleTranslateWrapper.php tikiwiki [INDENT] Indenting and modernizing code	[20:48]
changi	jonnyb: 20100927_better_column_fix_tiki.php it was 2 years ago	[20:48]
jonnyb	coo, doesn't tiki fly :)	[20:49]
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changi	jonnyb: fresh install from 6.8 upgrade to 9.2 without problem jonnyb: ok 6.8 already have th tweetid :)	[20:55]
jonnyb	i think the tweet stuff arrived after tiki 5	[20:56]
changi	jonnyb: checking out 5.x	[20:56]
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jonnyb	seems it's one of the columns fixed in 20100927_better_column_fix_tiki.php - so must have failed for my upgrade	[20:57]
changi	jonnyb: maybe you upgrade your tiki5 when i was trying to have the perfect script	[20:58]
jonnyb	is possible - but didn't marclaporte1 also find this one?	[20:58]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03fmg-sf r44080 10branches/10.x/setup.sh tikiwiki [ENH] add openSUSE detection	[21:00]
changi	marclaporte1: ??	[21:03]
	jonnyb: ok found it, from Tiki5 to Tiki9 :)	[21:11]
jonnyb	changi: ok, so that upgrade php script fails? :(	[21:12]
changi	jonnyb: apparently from 5 to 6 it fails	[21:12]
jonnyb	in the middle of another debug currently, will have a look shortly catching it with a breakpoint should show what's going wrong is the " AFTER `hash`" bit correct? (i always avoid AFTER in sql, it's usually trouble)	[21:13]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44081 10trunk/lib/core/Multilingual/MachineTranslation/GoogleTranslateWrapper.php tikiwiki [ENH] Additional clean-up	[21:18]
	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44082 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/elfinder/tiki-elfinder.js tikiwiki [FIX] elfinder: customData needed even if not in a custom "mode" so move into default elfoptions	[21:26]
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changi	jonnyb: the strenge thing is when you launch it alone, it works, when you launch it with the other script (during upgrade) it failed	[21:53]
jonnyb	those upgrade php scripts are a but mystic or do i mean fragile?	[21:57]
changi	jonnyb: found why :)	[22:05]
jonnyb	yay! (wow)	[22:05]
changi	we have 2 script with the same name and a different content	[22:05]
jonnyb	:D	[22:06]
changi	that's why it's not working	[22:06]
jonnyb	ah, installlib.php? or install something...	[22:06]
changi	my better fix .php 2 version : one with tweetid fix in tiki6 and on without in tiki5, but as the fix is already marked as being passed in tiki_schema it's not run a second time i will rename the one in tiki6 to be sure it'll be launched	[22:07]
jonnyb	sounds good	[22:12]
changi	ok commit	[22:13]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03changi67 r44083 03branches/10.x/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php tikiwiki [FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed. tikiwiki 03changi67 r44084 03branches/9.x/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed. tikiwiki 03changi67 r44085 03branches/6.x/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.	[22:22]
jonnyb	looks good changi (from the diffs anyway)	[22:25]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03changi67 r44086 03branches/7.x/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed. tikiwiki 03changi67 r44087 03branches/8.x/installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php tikiwiki [BP/44083][FIX] Because some time we made mistake, that script is necessary to move from 5 to 6+ and fix tweetId, it was already fix in 6 but with the same name as in 5 so the script was not executed.	[22:26]
jonnyb	jonnyb is impressed by the depth of backporting	[22:26]
changi	i wonder if i should do it in tags :)	[22:27]
jonnyb	changi: i'll start a merge (branch update)	[22:27]
changi	trunk is on his way	[22:27]
jonnyb	not allowed in tags (as well you know) ;)	[22:27]
changi	jonnyb: was a joke :)	[22:27]
jonnyb	you merging?	[22:27]
changi	jonnyb: yep	[22:28]
jonnyb	jonnyb cancels	[22:28]
changi	jonnyb: another thing we should fix is : in installib we separate schema (for sql script) from script (for .php script) but we store them at the same place	[22:29]
jonnyb	i suppose you could just test for either kind of file and work it out that way	[22:30]
changi	jonnyb: and the code is strange, sometime it look in schema folder to check if there is php script and sometime in script forlder i thing we should remove that folder 'script' and focus on schema trunk is up2date	[22:30]
jonnyb	merci changi	[22:33]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03changi67 r44088 10(5 files in 5 dirs) tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/10.x 44061 to 44083 tikiwiki 03fmg-sf r44089 10branches/10.x/setup.sh tikiwiki [FIX] '/etc/os-release' is intended as generic, not meaning 'openSUSE'	[22:34]
jonnyb	how are we doing with the doc\|dev*.tiki.org upgrade? and when i say "we" i mean you obviously :)	[22:34]
changi	i can do it now, i was waiting for some order :)	[22:35]
jonnyb	Bsfez is hiding in Skype but we could wake him up	[22:35]
changi	let's do it (switching doc and dev )	[22:35]
gour	i've heard few devs uses git-svn to work on tiki...considering that i never used svn (only a bit of CVS) and spent most of my time with dvcs (darcs,bzr,mtn,hg, mostly fossil now and some git), do you recommend git-svn which probably has the best client of those dvcs-svn ones?	[22:36]
changi	gour: are you going to commit things on sf.net ? gour: or is it just to pull code ?	[22:37]
gour	changi: marc gave me commit access and i hope to take adavantage of it at one point	[22:38]
jonnyb	jonnyb is currently totally lost in git, so will ignore this one	[22:38]
changi	jonnyb: you shouldn't, it's very powerfull	[22:38]
gour	gour recommends fossil as easy & powerful dvcs to jonnyb	[22:38]
changi	gour: for now, i only pull code with git-svn, never try to commit with it	[22:39]
gour	jonnyb: it is dvcs, but can work almost like centalized svn/dvcs tool changi: i see...that's helpful to know gour recommends tiki to move to fossil to make it easier for all users :-)	[22:39]
changi	gour: don't think that fossil is more known by users, (i didn't know it) gour: svn is not so bad	[22:41]
gour	changi: it's written by author of sqlite and used for it as well changi: i'm accustomed to use dvcs, have feature branches etc.	[22:41]
jonnyb	changi: fabricius1 seems to be still awake (yay!) so shall we do the upgrade thing? do you have a rollback strategy? (should be fine but... ;) )	[22:42]
changi	jonnyb: i always have a rollback stategy :)	[22:42]
gour	changi: this is interesting - http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki	[22:42]
jonnyb	:)	[22:42]
gour	changi: moreover, the whole repos is in one (sqlite3 db )file and the whole application is single executable written in C...with built-in wiki, distributed bug tracker and web ui	[22:43]
changi	gour: as i say i hadn't heard of it since you've mentioned it gour: looks nice	[22:46]
gour	changi: well, now you know ;=	[22:46]
changi	changi wonder why sf.net doesn't provide it :)	[22:46]
gour	changi: i tried and used many DVCS-es, but like & understand his argument: http://pastebin.com/Xx7GKMc9	[22:47]
changi	changi switching doc :)	[22:47]
gour	changi: http://fossilrepos.sourceforge.net/	[22:47]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44090 10trunk/ 10templates/trackerinput/files.tpl 10lib/core/Tracker/Field/Files.php tikiwiki [ENH] elfinder: Add new option to Files trackerfield to allow upload to one gallery and browser from another (not optional as tracker tpls are still using indexes for options so needs to be there even if the feature is off)	[22:48]
changi	gour: git is not so difficult	[22:48]
gour	changi: it would go nicely along with tiki's "simplicity & powerful" changi: have you ever had need to dive into refslog?	[22:48]
changi	gour: no	[22:49]
gour	gour considers that git's is dangerous, non-orthoganal design etc. and (too) complex...especially for not so techie users *non-orthogonal ...and it requires from me too much thinking about the tool itself, as richard put nicely now, git is hype... who knows what would happen if darcs and/or mtn were quicker when evaluated by linus	[22:50]
changi	gour: like you say "who knows" :)	[22:52]
gour	changi: let me say that i've decided for tiki over typo3...now you can understand i do honour simplicity & power ;)	[22:53]
jonnyb	jonnyb agrees fossil looks good, but can we really switch to a vcs i hadn't heard of 30 minutes ago?	[22:53]
changi	jonnyb: +1	[22:53]
gour	jonnyb: no need to rush...provide some kind of mirror, ask users to try it out etc. jonnyb: do you know about mtn? or darcs?	[22:53]
jonnyb	gour: of course, please go ahead, but the experiments with svn/git integration a few years ago didn't get very far due to lack of inertia nope	[22:55]
gour	jonnyb: i was using darcs in 2003 and some years later practically it was used by the whole haskell community...moreover, monotone is also one of the earliest dvcs around...fossil simply took best from many of 'em like sqlite database in mtn etc. jonnyb: moreover, you should be aware that author of sqlite3 is quite picky about security and sqlite has almost 100% test-coverage to catch regressions sqlite3 db can survice power outages without getting corrupt...try that with git ,)	[22:57]
jonnyb	sorry gour, buffer overflow, trying to do too many things already :)	[22:59]
gour	the main point for me & fossil is that's very easy to use allowing to focus on the content and not (d)vcs tool	[22:59]
changi	jonnyb: doc.tiki.org is 10	[22:59]
gour	jonnyb: np ;) jonnyb: i'll try to catch you some other day to ask about ecommerce in tiki..i got info you did a nice shop ;)	[22:59]
refizul	polom	[23:00]
changi	refizul: hi	[23:00]
refizul	future GNU/Linux distributions might have a file /etc/os-release which will be helpful to decide username of webserver in setup.sh JFTR: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/os-release.html	[23:01]
changi	refizul: in which future ? refizul: ubuntu has on since 12.10 jonnyb: rebuilding lucene index	[23:04]
jonnyb	always fun :) especially on that one, i guess	[23:07]
refizul	changi: Debain Squeeze does not have it	[23:08]
changi	refizul: don't think so	[23:08]
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refizul	about new standards: http://xkcd.com/927/	[23:08]
jonnyb	so true	[23:09]
changi	refizul: +10000	[23:09]
jonnyb	like tiki having one more pref to make it all simple	[23:10]
changi	refizul: i'm par of convergence project in my compagny jonnyb: lol jonnyb: lucene failed to build the index jonnyb: damned	[23:10]
refizul	announcement related to systemd was: Mon, 13 Feb 2012	[23:11]
jonnyb	ik	[23:11]
changi	jonnyb: why don't we have a simple log which say : "oups i missed that page"	[23:11]
jonnyb	any specific error?	[23:11]
changi	jonnyb: nothing jonnyb: just stopped	[23:11]
jonnyb	"make it optional" :) try rebuild with log=y (or something)	[23:12]
changi	jonnyb: i did, it just log the last wikipage	[23:13]
rwik	hello all! I am trying to make it so when I go to print a page via the print button on top of the page it prints the page exactly as it looks in the wiki. I know you can set @media print and specify css for how it should look, but it does not seem to be working (at from the page generated by tiki-print).	[23:13]
jonnyb	just "rebuild log" should do it	[23:13]
rwik	Does anyone have any background in this area? any tips?	[23:13]
jonnyb	yes, so can you work out which page was next?	[23:13]
changi	AulaWiki is the last	[23:14]
jonnyb	sorry, no rwik, i don't print stuff ;)	[23:14]
changi	changi save the planet, don't print :)	[23:14]
rwik	jonnyb: alright, thanks. I don't really either, but my office does.	[23:15]
jonnyb	changi: is it going in title order? changi: maybe a clue in error.log?	[23:15]
changi	AuthPam is the next page	[23:16]
jonnyb	(or wherever cli php errors go)	[23:16]
RobertPlummer	changi: Just use energy created from burning coal, right?	[23:16]
jonnyb	does it render ok?	[23:16]
RobertPlummer	:)	[23:16]
jonnyb	hey RobertPlummer	[23:17]
changi	jonnyb: yes RobertPlummer: lol, hi	[23:17]
jonnyb	try rebuild again?	[23:17]
changi	jonnyb: 3 time, doesn't change anything	[23:18]
jonnyb	ew sounds a bit like a block? there must be a php error somewhere...	[23:19]
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gour	marclaporte: hiya, what do you think about this: http://pastebin.com/Xx7GKMc9	[23:32]
jonnyb	gour: does fossil have an svn import feature?	[23:35]
gour	jonnyb: yes, via git	[23:35]
jonnyb	sounds challenging :)	[23:36]
gour	today i clone tiki10 trunk and the whole repo is 481M here git repo (via git-svn) is 132M and tiki.fossil file is 29M which is good for the servers :-) here is something else which might be interesting for you...according to ohloh, tiki is 1,016,594 lines of code one similar project (tcl) is 1,211,570 lines of code (http://www.ohloh.net/p/tcltk) and here are two interesting links: http://www.patthoyts.tk/blog/tcl-and-tk-switch-to-dvcs.html & http://core.tcl.tk/tcl/timeline enjoy ;)	[23:36]
jonnyb	jonnyb wonders how changi is getting on	[23:39]
gour	http://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/wiki?name=Cookbook#SVN	[23:40]
changi	jonnyb: now i play with the 7 errors :) what is the common denominator with page AulaWiki / AuthPAM / Backups ? jonnyb: if you find the answer you'll find the lucene problem lphuberdeau: ping	[23:42]
gour	i didn't use script, just git-svn clone and then fast-import from git...	[23:43]
jonnyb	i was going to suggest a naughtily plugin, but Backups? maybe trying access a removed backups dir?	[23:43]
changi	jonnyb: i think it's Alias the problem	[23:43]
jonnyb	ah, sounds poss	[23:44]
changi	they all are Alias from a page if i remove them from indexer it works jonnyb: but we have a lot of them wonder why lph is not there when we need him :)	[23:44]
gour	jonnyb: it went very quickly - see http://pastebin.com/C4WxszJ5	[23:45]
jonnyb	so it's 3 pages fail? or 3 aliaises?	[23:45]
changi	he should appear like a genius :) jonnyb: in fact all wiki page which are Aliases from page failed so 3 aliases :)	[23:45]
jonnyb	not sure how to help	[23:47]
changi	marclaporte: ping it's like Quebec is unreachable for now :)	[23:49]
jonnyb	seems so	[23:52]
changi	jonnyb: is it possible to catch if the page is a alias to skip it	[23:52]
jonnyb	not sure how they're handled in indexing investigating...	[23:53]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: Sorry I'm in and out all day left #tikiwiki	[23:59]

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