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gourpolom or whatever :-) [08:34]
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Guest24242hi, I have a question regarding the multilanguage module [09:11]
luciashhi Guest24242 [09:12]
Guest24242I wanted to ask if the developers are going to address the "restricted supported languages" usability bug - http://dev.tiki.org/item4294 [09:14]
gourgour is re-installing 10.0beta... [09:16]
luciashGuest24242: is it still present in Tiki 10 beta ? maybe cache set to 0 could help too
try demo.tiki.org to reproduce 		[09:18]
Guest24242i was trying to clear the cache now.. maybe it works
i'll let you know
ok.. i think clearing the cache helps.. and it's working now 		[09:22]
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jonnybhi all - arildb_ did you see Marc's report of the trackers all being messed up? (specifically https://dev.tiki.org/wish4346 for instance)?
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jonnybhi luciash
you well? 		[14:09]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44108 10(12 files in 10 dirs)
tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/10.x 44083 to 44107
tikiwiki Conflicts merged manually for
tikiwiki installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php
tikiwiki lib/objectlib.php
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jonnybmoloq Bsfez [14:38]
ricks99polom [14:38]
BsfezHi Rick
Jonny
We got some more issues on Tiki10… We need to find a way to mobilise dev so we can solve.
ricks99: fyi, Robert suggest me to use {SLIDER()}… unfortunately there are some compatibilities issues (no good on IE, Opera and Safari)
So i'm still with carousel. :) 		[14:38]
ricks99Bsfez: i use carousel all the time [14:41]
Bsfezi though i could have better perf.
yes Carousel is working fine with most of the browser (sometimes page need to be refreshed on Opera Mac) 		[14:42]
ricks99y. make sure the page is set to no cache [14:46]
BsfezI changed the default carousel button and it make it really nice.
no cache can be done on a per page basis ? 		[14:47]
ricks99yup
look at security: wiki page 		[14:49]
Bsfezk… wonder if it is wise as this is the homepage… but i'll give a try
:) Performance -> Wiki 		[14:50]
ricks99security... performance... what's the difference ;-) [14:54]
RobertPlummerpolom all
Got some info on the aloha editor on how to ensure we keep the data attributes we need.
I'm thinking about just overriding the sanitizer all together, since it is a very controlled output. What do you guys think?
Bsfez: Did you get slider working?
Bsfez: It is sort of an odd beast, but is very cool after you get it going. 		[15:05]
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BsfezRobertPlummer: Hi Robert, yes but i sent you an email about compatibility… In fact SLIDER is ok only with FF and Chrome.
Torsten report that on his Ubuntu FF and chrome are no go. 		[15:22]
RobertPlummerIt seems to work fine here in firefox and chrome in ubuntu [15:25]
Bsfezcan't say more Torsten reported… But from my test with Safari Mac and IE9 Windows it is not working properly.
check you email i give details :)
http://avtalyon.org.il/test2
Aloha look nice but should be inspected with coder eyes (solid solution on the long term) 		[15:26]
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RobertPlummerBsfez: Are you splitting up each panel of the slider?
"/////"
It works just like tabs do. 		[15:32]
Bsfezwell yes...
{SLIDER(width="320px" height="240px" expand="n" resizecontents="y" buildarrows="n" buildnavigation="n" buildstartstop="n" autoplay="y" pauseonhover="y" playrtl="y")}{img src="display146"}/////{img src="display151"}/////{img src="display152"}/////{img src="display153"}/////{img src="display154"}/////{img src="display155"}/////{img src="display156"}/////{img src="display157"}{SLIDER} 		[15:38]
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RobertPlummerBsfez: I just found out that the 3rd test for phpunit + jison parser was not running, the system thought that it had.... Now I'm depressed.
Tons of failures.
I know what I'm going to be working on this afternoon. 		[17:13]
BsfezRobertPlummer: aoutch…
i would have love to help... 		[17:16]
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RobertPlummerpolom jonny [18:40]
jonnybi hate shared hosting... uploaded tiki10 this morning only to find the server only has php 5.2 - ftp access only :( [18:41]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Sure they don't have ssh + svn? [18:41]
jonnybbeen looking but can't find it... [18:41]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: A little more detail with the aloha editor... Found a way to overcome the removal of certain elements it seems, and the ability to keep data-t intact. Next is inserting items from toolbar with data-t and overriding pressing enter to insert <br data-t="ln"/>
After I get past those issues, I'll have toolbar integration, and then save. We are looking good. 		[18:42]
jonnybcoo [18:43]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: phpunit was not running all the tests I had setup for the jison parser, and I just got it fixed, so committing and back to work on the wysiwyg. [18:46]
jonnybcan't really imagine aloha editor on a tiki, should be interesting! :) [18:47]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: I love how hard phpstorm works for me.
jonnyb: Yea, I agree, it is a big change. 		[18:47]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r44109 10trunk/lib/test/core/JisonParser/ 10OutputTest.php 10Abstract.php 10HtmlToWikiTest.php
tikiwiki [FIX] 1 test was not running because I extended the initial test, needed to instantiate and then run with optional parent provider in abstract 		[18:48]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: But unfortunately, we are sort of limited for options, do you agree? [18:48]
jonnyboptions? how do you mean? [18:48]
RobertPlummerI can't believe how bad ckeditor is written first off, and it seems the internet standard.
jwysiwyg is extremely buggy
I don't see any other big contenders for wysiwyg. Even the guys at media wiki tried aloha and like it.
They are formulating their own, but have nothing working yet, so no go there. 		[18:48]
jonnybdid you re-look at tinymce? [18:49]
RobertPlummerGet this, theirs is a hybrid syntax editor..... quasiwyg ;)
shall I?
I shall
I really don't care which we go with so long as it works.
is it very similar to ckeditor's toolbar in terms of adding attributes etc.?
jonnyb: Looks like they don't recognize contenteditable="false" which is important for plugins. 		[18:50]
jonnybis what, tinymce? never looked that closely into it
contenteditable is a cue thing i think
cue/cke (grrr) 		[18:55]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: That is a pretty important thing. With it we don't have to teach the parser how to deal with plugins. contenteditable=false makes plugin integration a breeze. [18:57]
jonnybcreditor still wouldn't treat contenteditable as one "opaque" element ever though
making drag&drop a bit messy somethings :) 		[18:58]
RobertPlummerhttp://html5doctor.com/the-contenteditable-attribute/
Why does it need to be opaque? I just set it to false and set the body to "Plugin:$pluginName"
data-syntax="urlencode($this->syntax())" ;)
Drag and drop work fine like this 		[18:58]
jonnybyou can cursor into the middle of a plugin and add text and stuff - it all goes quite wrong after that [19:00]
RobertPlummerWe could just inject a little css at the top that opaques the plugin element [19:00]
jonnybi mean opaque in terms of editability [19:00]
RobertPlummerMyn doesn't, I've tested it over and over. Even in ckeditor. [19:00]
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RobertPlummerYou mean that the body renders?
I don't render it, I just have the simple text "plugin:$pluginName" 		[19:01]
jonnybeven for images? :( [19:01]
RobertPlummer"plugin[:]$pluginName"
At this time, yes.
so an element inside something with contenteditable=false that has something inside it is editable if it doesn't have the same attribute set to false?
jonnyb: Stability trumps functionality, I believe you've taught me this, no? 		[19:02]
jonnybthink i tried setting contenteditable=false on everything in them [19:04]
RobertPlummerpolom marclaporte
But you can still drag and drop internals, ah I see your problem.
What about onmousedown="return false"? 		[19:04]
jonnybmaybe it's only me that's tried that but it's always annoyed me [19:05]
RobertPlummerI was getting ready to ask if you had or not. [19:05]
jonnybprobably tried that too, was a long time ago - in the end i try to work up the DOM to the containing plugin element and select all of it
which works a bit 		[19:05]
RobertPlummerSee how aloha editor handles this....
jonnyb: Success! with 1 nested element it seems fine
Lets try a bunch! 		[19:06]
jonnyb:) [19:07]
RobertPlummerWOOHOO!
It inherits 		[19:07]
jonnybsweet [19:08]
RobertPlummerWanna see the test?
let me through a jsfiddle together 		[19:08]
jonnybwhy not - Zend still uploading :) [19:09]
RobertPlummerhttp://jsfiddle.net/8t7ED/
Look at last plugin
"Test" over and over 		[19:10]
jonnyb: Verdict? [19:15]
jonnybchecking [19:15]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r44110 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/Wiki/List.php
tikiwiki [FIX] List doubled up on parents in some scenarios 		[19:16]
jonnybno sure what i'm looking at (other than a demo of aloha without css? ;) ) [19:18]
RobertPlummerThere is css, just click on the editable area [19:19]
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RobertPlummerjonnyb: That is the output from the ckeditor handler.
jonnyb: hum, might need a new name... 		[19:19]
jonnyb:) [19:19]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r44111 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ 10Wiki.jison 10Wiki.js 10Wiki.php
tikiwiki [FIX]Back to :: for center
tikiwiki [FIX]Remove pipe handling as it was causing too much of a problem
tikiwiki [FIX]Let block close on EOF and disable the ability to nest
tikiwiki [FIX] Give '[' back to links if not closed at start 		[19:20]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: This could be just awesome as plugins could be viewable [19:23]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03robertplummer r44112 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ 10Wiki/Link.php 10Wiki/Handler.php 10Html/Handler.php 10WikiCKEditor/Handler.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Tables get tbody
tikiwiki [FIX] htmlElementsStackCount can change it's state before handled, so copy it to the element at time of tag creation
tikiwiki [FIX] feature_wikiwords was not being recognized
tikiwiki [FIX] handle pipe in $page 		[19:24]
Bsfezon http://jsfiddle.net/8t7ED… and if it handle rtl :) [19:24]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki [FIX] remove EOF if it is in description
tikiwiki [FIX] trim wiki tag parameters 		[19:24]
RobertPlummerBsfez: Checking if it handles that [19:24]
Bsfez;) [19:25]
RobertPlummerLooks like it does Bsfez [19:28]
Bsfezwe got a candidate ! :D [19:29]
RobertPlummergreat, jsfiddle is down [19:42]
arildbI decided to try out the wysiwyg plugin in trunk, but when saving the page I get: Fatal error: Class 'ToolbarCombos' not found in D:OpenSourceTikiWikiwwwtikitrunklibckeditor_tikiwysiwyglib.php on line 68
I see there are some more updates.
Will update and try again 		[19:43]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44113 10branches/10.x/templates/tiki-view_tracker_item.tpl
tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Set colspan=2 when obeying samerow option on fields 		[19:46]
RobertPlummerarildb: Right now things are not looking to good for ckeditor. [19:47]
arildbI did the above test in the standard wiki editor
My test was 1) activate wysiwyg plugin 2) create a page with: {WYSIWYG()}Hello world{WYSIWYG} 3) Save
RobertPlummer: ..or was your comment meant more general? 		[19:48]
RobertPlummerarildb: In general. I'm looking deeply into how ckeditor renders the html editing process, and it is just plain horrible.
arildb: There is no way to get a reliable in-out wiki -> html -> wiki
arildb: So I'm looking at aloha editor to see what it's capabilities are. 		[19:52]
arildbRobertPlummer: I was impressed my the aloha editor
RobertPlummer: as far as I could see the aloha editor does not seem to be fit for wiki page structure development. Only post editing. So we will need a separate HTML editor, I believe.
but great that you are looking into it. Thanks RobertPlummer
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RobertPlummerarildb: I think it fits just fine if we change how we edit pages just a little.
arildb: When you click "edit", you won't be forwarded to a page where you can edit, it simply becomes editable.
When you have the permissions
jonnyb: Would you agree? 		[20:18]
jonnybsounds good [20:20]
arildbyes, edit will work very well, but what about creating a new page. How do you see that? [20:20]
RobertPlummerarildb: It really isn't all that different, just the toolbar follows. [20:21]
jonnybsearch or quick edit module does that [20:21]
Jyhem_laptoppolom [20:22]
RobertPlummerJyhem_laptop: polom [20:23]
arildbRobertPlummer: currently the Aloho editor has some tags it doesn't support. How will these work in a page creation process? [20:23]
Jyhem_laptopWhat about the categories & Properties tabs & the description section ? [20:24]
RobertPlummerarildb: Explain. Aloha has tags that tiki doesn't support or or the other way around? [20:24]
arildbRobertPlummer: yes, I read that. I beliieve it meant not editable with the alhoa editor.
Let me see if I can find it 		[20:24]
RobertPlummerJyhem_laptop: I'm just trying to find out an editor that works that doesn't mutilate the html
Jyhem_laptop: Let me get past that point, and then we can adapt to whatever the situation calls for. 		[20:25]
Jyhem_laptopI got that part. I was just wondering if the "When you click "edit", you won't be forwarded to a page where you can edit, it simply becomes editable" thing was thought through [20:26]
RobertPlummerJyhem_laptop: Who says we can't just load that page's attributes couldn't be loaded via ajax too. [20:27]
Jyhem_laptopYup, no need to change everything at once [20:27]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44114 10trunk/tiki-editpage.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Only attempt to copy namespace from structure parent page, if there is a parent page 		[20:28]
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arildbRobertPlummer: Here's the link that lists unsupported elements in aloha (at the bottom): http://www.aloha-editor.org/guides/using_aloha.html [20:39]
RobertPlummerjonnyb: Just cracked the ability to add edit-t attribute to elements.
arildb: We can simply delegate those types to a different, more generic, type when we go to load up the page. 		[20:39]
arildbsounds like a plan [20:41]
RobertPlummerthough "ol" has me a bit concerned.
and img and input
I wonder if it means it won't work, or that there currently isn't a plugin for it. 		[20:41]
arildbI don't know
and form
To me Aloha seems like an excellent "audit" tool. It doesn't look like a replacement for CkEditor (or another HTML editor) 		[20:42]
I get the error: PHP (5.4.8) NOTICE (E_NOTICE):
File: D:OpenSourceTikiWikiwwwtikitrunklibwiki-pluginswikiplugin_kaltura.php
Line: 45
Type: Undefined variable: players
The feature "Kaltura Video Management" is turned off 		[20:56]
changi|awaypolom [20:59]
arildbRobertPlummer: In trunk, I am still getting the error "Declaration of WikiPlugin_HtmlBase::exec() should be compatible with WikiPlugin_ConditionBase::exec($data, $params, $index, $parser)".
I thought you fixed that, or? 		[21:00]
changijonnyb: access.log.2012.11.28:dev.tiki.org 82.37.184.159 - - [28/Nov/2012:18:24:00 +0100] "POST /tiki-ajax_services.php?user=jonnybradley&controller=jcapture&action=upload&TOKEN=04ee44c86ec5b7c73aec52add07a3a71 HTTP/1.1" 200 69314 "-" "Apache-HttpClient/4.0.1 (java 1.5)" "-" [21:02]
jonnybhi changi - have to go shortly - any corresponding error? [21:08]
RobertPlummerarildb: I did in 10, has there been a merge recently? [21:15]
arildbmaybe not
CkEditor seems broken in trunk. It was working not long ago
In Firebug I see a failure to GET editor_gecko.css=CAJ8 404 Not Found
don't know if that is the cause though 		[21:15]
jonnybgot to go now, more tomorrow! [21:17]
arildbIs anybody else experiencing the CkEditor failure in the lates trunk? [21:18]
RobertPlummerarildb: I will be reverting a lot of it shortly.
arildb: Sorry for the failures, they will be temporary. 		[21:20]
arildbRobertPlummer: ok. Let us know when things are back on track [21:21]
RobertPlummerarildb: I'm currently bringing in aloha editor, trying to get it partially working so I can see if it is usable. [21:22]
arildbRobertPlummer: well worth a failure or 2 [21:22]
gouri'm considering to use articles instead of blog for non-profit web site, but wonder what would you, in general, recommend for writing announcements for public programs/activities of the non-profit organization, like announcing public lecture in a city? [21:27]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44115 10branches/9.x/ 10(5 files in 3 dirs)
tikiwiki [bp/r44002][FIX] Fix the all get_faq references. They were not updated when the faq functions were moved out of TikiLib.
tikiwiki Ref: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=4343#content2 		[21:50]
arildbRobertPlummer: Maybe establish an experimental branch for Aloha editor testing/integration?
I would be interested in following the status of it 		[22:02]
RobertPlummermarclaporte: Can I do that if the license isn't currently supported? [22:03]
arildbright. the license issue. I forgot about that... [22:04]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44116 10trunk/lib/ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Make WYSIWYG plugin load. Add missing include 		[22:14]
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arildblphuberdeau: The latest candidate for the namespace separator is :_: ... does it look ok to you?
Do we still have time to change it? 		[23:13]
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I am changing the default namespace separator to :_:
:+: causes an error when creating a new page, e.g. ns:+:mypage ... + is an invalid character in page name 		[23:39]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44118 10branches/10.x/lib/prefs/namespace.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Use :_: as namespace separator.
tikiwiki :+: causes error when creating new page with a namespace prefix...
tikiwiki Edit: ns:+:ns test
tikiwiki errorsInvalid page name
tikiwiki The page name specified contains unallowed characters.
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