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[09:18] luciash Guest24242: is it still present in Tiki 10 beta ? maybe cache set to 0 could help too [09:19] luciash try demo.tiki.org to reproduce [09:22] Guest24242 i was trying to clear the cache now.. maybe it works [09:22] Guest24242 i'll let you know [09:26] Guest24242 ok.. i think clearing the cache helps.. and it's working now [09:39] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [09:44] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [09:47] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: FAQ questions give blank pages - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=45619 [09:59] gour joined #tikiwiki [11:25] fabricius joined #tikiwiki [11:45] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [11:55] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [12:16] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [12:19] dennmans joined #tikiwiki [12:31] arildb joined #tikiwiki [12:33] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [12:36] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [12:39] arildb_ joined #tikiwiki [12:43] arildb_ joined #tikiwiki [13:29] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [13:29] vmachine joined #tikiwiki [13:40] jonnyb hi all - arildb_ did you see Marc's report of the trackers all being messed up? 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[14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44108 10(12 files in 10 dirs) [14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/10.x 44083 to 44107 [14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki Conflicts merged manually for [14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki installer/schema/20100927_better_column_fix2_tiki.php [14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki lib/objectlib.php [14:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki *** Whitespace differences cause conflicts! *** [14:26] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [14:29] ricks99 joined #tikiwiki [14:35] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [14:37] Bsfez polom [14:38] jonnyb moloq Bsfez [14:38] ricks99 polom [14:38] Bsfez Hi Rick [14:38] Bsfez Jonny [14:39] Bsfez We got some more issues on Tiki10… We need to find a way to mobilise dev so we can solve. [14:41] Bsfez ricks99: fyi, Robert suggest me to use {SLIDER()}… unfortunately there are some compatibilities issues (no good on IE, Opera and Safari) [14:41] Bsfez So i'm still with carousel. :) [14:41] ricks99 Bsfez: i use carousel all the time [14:42] Bsfez i though i could have better perf. [14:46] Bsfez yes Carousel is working fine with most of the browser (sometimes page need to be refreshed on Opera Mac) [14:46] ricks99 y. make sure the page is set to no cache [14:47] Bsfez I changed the default carousel button and it make it really nice. [14:48] Bsfez no cache can be done on a per page basis ? [14:49] ricks99 yup [14:49] ricks99 look at security: wiki page [14:50] Bsfez k… wonder if it is wise as this is the homepage… but i'll give a try [14:53] Bsfez :) Performance -> Wiki [14:54] ricks99 security... performance... what's the difference ;-) [15:05] RobertPlummer polom all [15:05] RobertPlummer Got some info on the aloha editor on how to ensure we keep the data attributes we need. [15:06] RobertPlummer I'm thinking about just overriding the sanitizer all together, since it is a very controlled output. What do you guys think? [15:09] RobertPlummer Bsfez: Did you get slider working? [15:10] RobertPlummer Bsfez: It is sort of an odd beast, but is very cool after you get it going. [15:19] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [15:22] Bsfez RobertPlummer: Hi Robert, yes but i sent you an email about compatibility… In fact SLIDER is ok only with FF and Chrome. [15:23] Bsfez Torsten report that on his Ubuntu FF and chrome are no go. [15:25] RobertPlummer It seems to work fine here in firefox and chrome in ubuntu [15:26] Bsfez can't say more Torsten reported… But from my test with Safari Mac and IE9 Windows it is not working properly. [15:27] Bsfez check you email i give details :) [15:27] Bsfez http://avtalyon.org.il/test2 [15:27] Bsfez Aloha look nice but should be inspected with coder eyes (solid solution on the long term) [15:28] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [15:28] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [15:29] Tiki|bot0 joined #tikiwiki [15:32] RobertPlummer Bsfez: Are you splitting up each panel of the slider? [15:32] RobertPlummer "/////" [15:32] RobertPlummer It works just like tabs do. [15:38] Bsfez well yes... [15:38] Bsfez {SLIDER(width="320px" height="240px" expand="n" resizecontents="y" buildarrows="n" buildnavigation="n" buildstartstop="n" autoplay="y" pauseonhover="y" playrtl="y")}{img src="display146"}/////{img src="display151"}/////{img src="display152"}/////{img src="display153"}/////{img src="display154"}/////{img src="display155"}/////{img src="display156"}/////{img src="display157"}{SLIDER} [16:19] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [16:40] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [17:04] kstingel joined #tikiwiki [17:13] RobertPlummer Bsfez: I just found out that the 3rd test for phpunit + jison parser was not running, the system thought that it had.... Now I'm depressed. [17:14] RobertPlummer Tons of failures. [17:14] RobertPlummer I know what I'm going to be working on this afternoon. [17:16] Bsfez RobertPlummer: aoutch… [17:16] Bsfez i would have love to help... [17:34] jonnyb bbl [17:43] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [18:39] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [18:39] jonnyb re-polom [18:40] RobertPlummer polom jonny [18:41] jonnyb i hate shared hosting... uploaded tiki10 this morning only to find the server only has php 5.2 - ftp access only :( [18:41] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Sure they don't have ssh + svn? [18:41] jonnyb been looking but can't find it... [18:42] RobertPlummer jonnyb: A little more detail with the aloha editor... Found a way to overcome the removal of certain elements it seems, and the ability to keep data-t intact. Next is inserting items from toolbar with data-t and overriding pressing enter to insert
[18:42] RobertPlummer After I get past those issues, I'll have toolbar integration, and then save. We are looking good. [18:43] jonnyb coo [18:46] RobertPlummer jonnyb: phpunit was not running all the tests I had setup for the jison parser, and I just got it fixed, so committing and back to work on the wysiwyg. [18:47] jonnyb can't really imagine aloha editor on a tiki, should be interesting! :) [18:47] RobertPlummer jonnyb: I love how hard phpstorm works for me. [18:47] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Yea, I agree, it is a big change. [18:48] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44109 10trunk/lib/test/core/JisonParser/ 10OutputTest.php 10Abstract.php 10HtmlToWikiTest.php [18:48] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] 1 test was not running because I extended the initial test, needed to instantiate and then run with optional parent provider in abstract [18:48] RobertPlummer jonnyb: But unfortunately, we are sort of limited for options, do you agree? [18:48] jonnyb options? how do you mean? [18:48] RobertPlummer I can't believe how bad ckeditor is written first off, and it seems the internet standard. [18:49] RobertPlummer jwysiwyg is extremely buggy [18:49] RobertPlummer I don't see any other big contenders for wysiwyg. Even the guys at media wiki tried aloha and like it. [18:49] RobertPlummer They are formulating their own, but have nothing working yet, so no go there. [18:49] jonnyb did you re-look at tinymce? [18:50] RobertPlummer Get this, theirs is a hybrid syntax editor..... quasiwyg ;) [18:50] RobertPlummer shall I? [18:51] RobertPlummer I shall [18:51] RobertPlummer I really don't care which we go with so long as it works. [18:52] RobertPlummer is it very similar to ckeditor's toolbar in terms of adding attributes etc.? [18:55] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Looks like they don't recognize contenteditable="false" which is important for plugins. [18:55] jonnyb is what, tinymce? never looked that closely into it [18:55] jonnyb contenteditable is a cue thing i think [18:56] jonnyb cue/cke (grrr) [18:57] RobertPlummer jonnyb: That is a pretty important thing. With it we don't have to teach the parser how to deal with plugins. contenteditable=false makes plugin integration a breeze. [18:58] jonnyb creditor still wouldn't treat contenteditable as one "opaque" element ever though [18:58] jonnyb making drag&drop a bit messy somethings :) [18:58] RobertPlummer http://html5doctor.com/the-contenteditable-attribute/ [18:59] RobertPlummer Why does it need to be opaque? I just set it to false and set the body to "Plugin:$pluginName" [18:59] RobertPlummer data-syntax="urlencode($this->syntax())" ;) [19:00] RobertPlummer Drag and drop work fine like this [19:00] jonnyb you can cursor into the middle of a plugin and add text and stuff - it all goes quite wrong after that [19:00] RobertPlummer We could just inject a little css at the top that opaques the plugin element [19:00] jonnyb i mean opaque in terms of editability [19:00] RobertPlummer Myn doesn't, I've tested it over and over. Even in ckeditor. [19:01] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [19:01] RobertPlummer You mean that the body renders? [19:01] RobertPlummer I don't render it, I just have the simple text "plugin:$pluginName" [19:01] jonnyb even for images? :( [19:02] RobertPlummer "plugin[:]$pluginName" [19:02] RobertPlummer At this time, yes. [19:03] RobertPlummer so an element inside something with contenteditable=false that has something inside it is editable if it doesn't have the same attribute set to false? [19:03] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Stability trumps functionality, I believe you've taught me this, no? [19:04] jonnyb think i tried setting contenteditable=false on everything in them [19:04] RobertPlummer polom marclaporte [19:04] RobertPlummer But you can still drag and drop internals, ah I see your problem. [19:04] RobertPlummer What about onmousedown="return false"? [19:05] jonnyb maybe it's only me that's tried that but it's always annoyed me [19:05] RobertPlummer I was getting ready to ask if you had or not. [19:05] jonnyb probably tried that too, was a long time ago - in the end i try to work up the DOM to the containing plugin element and select all of it [19:05] jonnyb which works a bit [19:06] RobertPlummer See how aloha editor handles this.... [19:07] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Success! with 1 nested element it seems fine [19:07] RobertPlummer Lets try a bunch! [19:07] jonnyb :) [19:07] RobertPlummer WOOHOO! [19:08] RobertPlummer It inherits [19:08] jonnyb sweet [19:08] RobertPlummer Wanna see the test? [19:09] RobertPlummer let me through a jsfiddle together [19:09] jonnyb why not - Zend still uploading :) [19:10] RobertPlummer http://jsfiddle.net/8t7ED/ [19:10] RobertPlummer Look at last plugin [19:10] RobertPlummer "Test" over and over [19:15] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Verdict? [19:15] jonnyb checking [19:16] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44110 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/Wiki/List.php [19:16] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] List doubled up on parents in some scenarios [19:18] jonnyb no sure what i'm looking at (other than a demo of aloha without css? ;) ) [19:19] RobertPlummer There is css, just click on the editable area [19:19] Bsfez joined #tikiwiki [19:19] RobertPlummer jonnyb: That is the output from the ckeditor handler. [19:19] RobertPlummer jonnyb: hum, might need a new name... [19:19] jonnyb :) [19:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44111 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ 10Wiki.jison 10Wiki.js 10Wiki.php [19:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX]Back to :: for center [19:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX]Remove pipe handling as it was causing too much of a problem [19:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX]Let block close on EOF and disable the ability to nest [19:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Give '[' back to links if not closed at start [19:23] RobertPlummer jonnyb: This could be just awesome as plugins could be viewable [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44112 10trunk/lib/core/JisonParser/ 10Wiki/Link.php 10Wiki/Handler.php 10Html/Handler.php 10WikiCKEditor/Handler.php [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Tables get tbody [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] htmlElementsStackCount can change it's state before handled, so copy it to the element at time of tag creation [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] feature_wikiwords was not being recognized [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] handle pipe in $page [19:24] Bsfez on http://jsfiddle.net/8t7ED… and if it handle rtl :) [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] remove EOF if it is in description [19:24] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] trim wiki tag parameters [19:24] RobertPlummer Bsfez: Checking if it handles that [19:25] Bsfez ;) [19:28] RobertPlummer Looks like it does Bsfez [19:29] Bsfez we got a candidate ! :D [19:42] RobertPlummer great, jsfiddle is down [19:43] arildb I decided to try out the wysiwyg plugin in trunk, but when saving the page I get: Fatal error: Class 'ToolbarCombos' not found in D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\lib\ckeditor_tiki\wysiwyglib.php on line 68 [19:44] arildb I see there are some more updates. [19:44] arildb Will update and try again [19:46] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44113 10branches/10.x/templates/tiki-view_tracker_item.tpl [19:46] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Set colspan=2 when obeying samerow option on fields [19:47] RobertPlummer arildb: Right now things are not looking to good for ckeditor. [19:48] arildb I did the above test in the standard wiki editor [19:49] arildb My test was 1) activate wysiwyg plugin 2) create a page with: {WYSIWYG()}Hello world{WYSIWYG} 3) Save [19:51] arildb RobertPlummer: ..or was your comment meant more general? [19:52] RobertPlummer arildb: In general. I'm looking deeply into how ckeditor renders the html editing process, and it is just plain horrible. [19:52] RobertPlummer arildb: There is no way to get a reliable in-out wiki -> html -> wiki [19:53] RobertPlummer arildb: So I'm looking at aloha editor to see what it's capabilities are. [19:53] arildb RobertPlummer: I was impressed my the aloha editor [19:55] arildb RobertPlummer: as far as I could see the aloha editor does not seem to be fit for wiki page structure development. Only post editing. So we will need a separate HTML editor, I believe. [19:56] arildb but great that you are looking into it. Thanks RobertPlummer [19:59] arildb Reran the above test after updating to the latest trunk, but I still get the error: Fatal error: Class 'ToolbarCombos' not found .... [20:18] RobertPlummer arildb: I think it fits just fine if we change how we edit pages just a little. [20:18] RobertPlummer arildb: When you click "edit", you won't be forwarded to a page where you can edit, it simply becomes editable. [20:19] RobertPlummer When you have the permissions [20:19] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Would you agree? [20:20] jonnyb sounds good [20:20] arildb yes, edit will work very well, but what about creating a new page. How do you see that? [20:21] RobertPlummer arildb: It really isn't all that different, just the toolbar follows. [20:21] jonnyb search or quick edit module does that [20:22] Jyhem_laptop polom [20:23] RobertPlummer Jyhem_laptop: polom [20:23] arildb RobertPlummer: currently the Aloho editor has some tags it doesn't support. How will these work in a page creation process? [20:24] Jyhem_laptop What about the categories & Properties tabs & the description section ? [20:24] RobertPlummer arildb: Explain. Aloha has tags that tiki doesn't support or or the other way around? [20:24] arildb RobertPlummer: yes, I read that. I beliieve it meant not editable with the alhoa editor. [20:25] arildb Let me see if I can find it [20:25] RobertPlummer Jyhem_laptop: I'm just trying to find out an editor that works that doesn't mutilate the html [20:25] RobertPlummer Jyhem_laptop: Let me get past that point, and then we can adapt to whatever the situation calls for. [20:26] Jyhem_laptop I got that part. I was just wondering if the "When you click "edit", you won't be forwarded to a page where you can edit, it simply becomes editable" thing was thought through [20:27] RobertPlummer Jyhem_laptop: Who says we can't just load that page's attributes couldn't be loaded via ajax too. [20:27] Jyhem_laptop Yup, no need to change everything at once [20:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03arildb r44114 10trunk/tiki-editpage.php [20:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Only attempt to copy namespace from structure parent page, if there is a parent page [20:36] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [20:39] arildb RobertPlummer: Here's the link that lists unsupported elements in aloha (at the bottom): http://www.aloha-editor.org/guides/using_aloha.html [20:39] RobertPlummer jonnyb: Just cracked the ability to add edit-t attribute to elements. [20:40] RobertPlummer arildb: We can simply delegate those types to a different, more generic, type when we go to load up the page. [20:41] arildb sounds like a plan [20:41] RobertPlummer though "ol" has me a bit concerned. [20:41] RobertPlummer and img and input [20:42] RobertPlummer I wonder if it means it won't work, or that there currently isn't a plugin for it. [20:42] arildb I don't know [20:43] arildb and form [20:44] arildb To me Aloha seems like an excellent "audit" tool. It doesn't look like a replacement for CkEditor (or another HTML editor) [20:56] arildb I get the error: PHP (5.4.8) NOTICE (E_NOTICE): [20:56] arildb File: D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tikitrunk\lib\wiki-plugins\wikiplugin_kaltura.php [20:56] arildb Line: 45 [20:56] arildb Type: Undefined variable: players [20:56] arildb The feature "Kaltura Video Management" is turned off [20:59] changi|away polom [21:00] arildb RobertPlummer: In trunk, I am still getting the error "Declaration of WikiPlugin_HtmlBase::exec() should be compatible with WikiPlugin_ConditionBase::exec($data, $params, $index, $parser)". [21:01] arildb I thought you fixed that, or? [21:02] changi jonnyb: access.log.2012.11.28:dev.tiki.org 82.37.184.159 - - [28/Nov/2012:18:24:00 +0100] "POST /tiki-ajax_services.php?user=jonnybradley&controller=jcapture&action=upload&TOKEN=04ee44c86ec5b7c73aec52add07a3a71 HTTP/1.1" 200 69314 "-" "Apache-HttpClient/4.0.1 (java 1.5)" "-" [21:08] jonnyb hi changi - have to go shortly - any corresponding error? [21:15] RobertPlummer arildb: I did in 10, has there been a merge recently? [21:15] arildb maybe not [21:16] arildb CkEditor seems broken in trunk. It was working not long ago [21:16] arildb In Firebug I see a failure to GET editor_gecko.css=CAJ8 404 Not Found [21:17] arildb don't know if that is the cause though [21:17] jonnyb got to go now, more tomorrow! [21:18] arildb Is anybody else experiencing the CkEditor failure in the lates trunk? [21:20] RobertPlummer arildb: I will be reverting a lot of it shortly. [21:20] RobertPlummer arildb: Sorry for the failures, they will be temporary. [21:21] arildb RobertPlummer: ok. Let us know when things are back on track [21:22] RobertPlummer arildb: I'm currently bringing in aloha editor, trying to get it partially working so I can see if it is usable. [21:22] arildb RobertPlummer: well worth a failure or 2 [21:27] gour i'm considering to use articles instead of blog for non-profit web site, but wonder what would you, in general, recommend for writing announcements for public programs/activities of the non-profit organization, like announcing public lecture in a city? [21:50] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03arildb r44115 10branches/9.x/ 10(5 files in 3 dirs) [21:50] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [bp/r44002][FIX] Fix the all get_faq references. They were not updated when the faq functions were moved out of TikiLib. [21:50] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki Ref: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=4343#content2 [22:02] arildb RobertPlummer: Maybe establish an experimental branch for Aloha editor testing/integration? [22:03] arildb I would be interested in following the status of it [22:03] RobertPlummer marclaporte: Can I do that if the license isn't currently supported? [22:04] arildb right. the license issue. I forgot about that... [22:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03arildb r44116 10trunk/lib/ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php [22:14] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Make WYSIWYG plugin load. 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