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changi: can you accept https://github.com/changi67/tikidebpackage/pulls ? I'd like to add the dbconfig but I want to build on top of that pull request
changi: and hi :) 		[04:30]
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hello! I'm trying out Tiki for the first time. I've looked everywhere and set permissions, but I can't find how to make main nav menu visible for anonymous users.
registered users see it (Wiki, Blogs, Articles and so on), but withot logging in only Home Page is seen. by coping and pasting an URL anonymous user can view articles and stuff, but no menu.
see here: http://rpgverse.ru/tiki/ 		[05:46]
arildbKatemare: Go to Admin / Modules. Double click on the menu, and select "Anonymous" for the acess [05:48]
Katemarethank you. I didn't manago to do what you've sayd (it only selected menu's text), but ticking "Show modules for all groups" did it. [05:51]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03kstingel r44173 10third_party/component_version_listing.txt
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gourmarclaporte1: hiya, while exploring other (besides nginx) server possibilities to deploy tiki, i've asked opinion on hiawatha forums about possible workarounds for rewriting bug (handling '+' and spaces) and here is the reply from the main dev: http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/1250 what do you think about it? [13:29]
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kstingelcan anyone help with a pluginTabs problem please? [14:53]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03kstingel r44175 10third_party/component_version_listing.txt
tikiwiki [UPD] updated (some) reported component listings 		[15:40]
tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44176 10trunk 10trunk/lib/wiki/flaggedrevisionlib.php
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44177 10trunk/ 10templates/wiki_authors.tpl 10lib/wiki/renderlib.php 10lib/wiki/flaggedrevisionlib.php
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kstingelI have a problem with pluginTabs (and pluginFancytable) on my local test server ... they aren't showing up on the page ...
I created a test page to demonstrate the problem over on http://tikishow.kstingel.com/trunk/pluginTabs+test ... but it worked OK there ... I'm assuming my local Windon't server is missing something, but I don't know what 		[15:56]
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gouri'm considering to take cheaper VPS (in EU) to host 3-4 tiki sites with low traffic (at the moment). any recommendation? [16:37]
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RobertPlummerkstingel: I've worked extensively with tabs, checking...
kstingel: Can you enable me to view page source? 		[17:30]
kstingelUser: admin2
Password: 67890 		[17:31]
RobertPlummerkstingel: Keep in mind this is a logged conversation
kstingel: I would advise to change the password immediately and send it to me private or email. 		[17:31]
kstingelis still completly open ... I haven't enabled registration for individuals yet [17:32]
RobertPlummerkstingel, it seems to work fine in firefox. [17:33]
kstingelthat's the public all access user :-) login info is found @ http://tikishow.kstingel.com/ [17:33]
RobertPlummerkstingel: Just saying, I try to be as secure as possible even though we usually deal as devs with test data [17:34]
kstingelon the live tikishow server, it's working ... on my locaol test host, all I see is the h1 content [17:34]
RobertPlummeris this the tikishow server or the local?
what options do you have turned on? 		[17:34]
kstingelthat is the show server .... but page content is same [17:34]
RobertPlummerwhat versions are the sites? [17:34]
kstingeltrunk, 6x, 9x + 10x [17:35]
RobertPlummerall of them don't list correctly? [17:35]
kstingelso far have only tried in trunk ... I'm midway through fresh co of others [17:36]
RobertPlummertrunk is where it doesn't work? [17:36]
gourgour is lurking here for free passwds :-} [17:37]
RobertPlummergour I use hostgator, they play nice with LAMP + ssh
and svn 		[17:37]
kstingelworking on possibility that some externals are missing atm ... my DNS connection keeps dropping out and I get booted partway thru checkout process [17:37]
RobertPlummerthat would do it! [17:38]
gourcan you recommend some good & cheap(er) - if such exists - VPS to host few tiki sites? [17:38]
kstingelZend hates me ... or possibly, just my external IP :-) [17:38]
gourwould 768MB be enough for it? [17:38]
RobertPlummergour, I don't think they limit it fyi
at least not that they advertise 		[17:39]
kstingelgour: depends on how many Tiki installs you plan to run [17:39]
RobertPlummervps starts at 15.96 it says [17:39]
gourkstingel: let's say 3 for the beginning...low-traffic sites
RobertPlummer: $s are the limit :-) 		[17:39]
RobertPlummerbut for shared, $3.96
$s? 		[17:40]
gourRobertPlummer: i see offering for $6.99/OpenVZ 1024m [17:40]
RobertPlummer$s = 0; if ($hosting > $s) throw ('Too Expensive!'); //gour :) [17:41]
gourlol [17:41]
RobertPlummerI think that would end in an exception. [17:42]
gours/$s/$XYZs/g [17:42]
RobertPlummerthrow is javascript
throw new Exception('');//php 		[17:43]
gourat the moment i can use 500M altogether for web apps, but my server (atm i configured cherokee) runs behind nginx (reverse-proxy) which timeouts when i try to install tiki, so i had to install it manually :-/ [17:43]
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RobertPlummergour, since you are hanging with the devs, I would suggest using svn. [17:44]
gourRobertPlummer: svn? for what?
i simply skipped from CVS (light usage) over svn straight to dvcs (darcs in 2003)...so why going back? 		[17:45]
RobertPlummergour to get the most recent [0-9][0-9]?[x] we are working on.
Now it is 10.x
gour, I meant to obtain latest branch/tg 		[17:45]
gourgour hopes tiki will move to dvcs (fossil) (pretty) soon [17:46]
RobertPlummertag [17:46]
gourRobertPlummer: what do you think about this: http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/1250 [17:47]
RobertPlummergour, it sounds neat. I would talk with the guys at phpstorm, the transition could be seemless for some of us. [17:47]
gourif/when working on something tiki-related, i'll probably use some dvcs-svn client [17:47]
RobertPlummergour, they love inovative ideas especially with version control systems. Git + svn work seemlessly there. [17:47]
gourRobertPlummer: you use phpstorm? [17:48]
RobertPlummergour, we don't want to force a web-sever, but apache seems to work very well, and is what most of us use.
gour: Yes, it gives me big muscles. 		[17:48]
gourRobertPlummer: i understand, but apache simply eats memory [17:49]
RobertPlummergour: I see
gour: But if you have memory to spare ;) 		[17:49]
gourRobertPlummer: so, now i use cherokee, but will explore hiawatha which looks cute...of course, for both we'd need to provide rewrite rules [17:50]
RobertPlummerchecking it out: http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/ correct? [17:51]
gourgour is from (poor) Croartia and has to be conscious about his expenses, web hosting included
RobertPlummer: yes
RobertPlummer: his dev is not happy seeing the state of rewriting-rules in Tiki :-/
*Croatia 		[17:51]
RobertPlummergour: I think in many cases, I would just download, install, and see if you like it.
gour: If it means adding a bunch of url rewriting rules, I would simply turn those off for the time being.
gour: You could implement them slowly. 		[17:52]
gourRobertPlummer: i'll install it on my localhost, for sure [17:52]
RobertPlummerwondering, gour pronounced like it sounds?
gu-our? 		[17:53]
gourproblem is i'm not familiar with htaccess, so will have to use htaccess --> nginx and then work from there [17:53]
RobertPlummerhtaccess is pretty well documented.
I would start by opening the htaccess file, and search off each setting defined. 		[17:53]
gourRobertPlummer: it's my nick, how people call me...no it's ,like gou-r [17:54]
RobertPlummernice [17:54]
gourmaybe like gaur [17:54]
RobertPlummergour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar [17:56]
gourRobertPlummer: my nick comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauranga [17:58]
RobertPlummercool [17:59]
gourmaybe this might be close how to pronounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaur [18:01]
RobertPlummerjust wondering, interesting. "Indian Bison"
Keep out of gour's way! He is a wild animal!
:) 		[18:02]
gourRobertPlummer: what do you think about the current status of rewriting rules in Tiki, as noted by hiawatha dev and mentioned in http://www.stevestreeting.com/2012/05/09/apache-to-nginx-php-fpm-part-1/
RobertPlummer: right, i've Moon in Aries :-) 		[18:03]
RobertPlummergour, I use them, but have not written any. They are not too complicated.
Does the regex work the same as it does in apache?
I think it defers to C or C++.
lphuberdeau: Is that right ^ 		[18:03]
gourRobertPlummer: i mean the tiki bug violating RFC 3986 using ‘+’ outside of the scheme or query string in a URI as the Tiki shortlinks do is invalid... [18:05]
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RobertPlummergour: Can you give me a url that is generated by tiki that is invalid?
gour: I would imagine if it is invalid, we'd want it fixed. 		[18:06]
gourRobertPlummer: have you read the section 'Nginx rewrite rule problems' in the above URL? [18:07]
RobertPlummergour, I did a quick once over [18:08]
gouri'd also like that this problem gets fixed...despite not using nginx, but the comment by hiawatha dev is not nice to hear
RobertPlummer: just read that section
it goes like: "Its wiki encodes space characters in page names as ‘+’, and uses this as links..." 		[18:08]
RobertPlummergour, are you with Ogre3d? [18:09]
gourRobertPlummer: nope...not at all [18:10]
RobertPlummerChanging from "+" to "%2B" shouldn't be a big deal, but I've eaten my words before. [18:10]
gourjust asked on that post about rewriting rules, but went back to cherokee...
he he
RobertPlummer: have you read reply from hiawatha dev as reply to my question? 		[18:10]
RobertPlummerlooking
I see the problem, interesting.
give me a minute 		[18:13]
gourtiki's codebase is huge and i've to become familiar with tiki itself before even attempting to look 'under the hood' :-)
but i'm enthusiastic to learn...'cause i want to settle on tiki for all my web needs for the foreseeable future :-) 		[18:15]
RobertPlummerLooks like chealer was a big contributor to htaccess, and he is not longer a dev. [18:15]
gourfortunately there is 'svn blame' command :-) [18:16]
RobertPlummerLooks like we just need to do a change on converting " " from "+" to "%20", looks like an easy fix. [18:17]
gourgour thinks that despite of apache being the most popular, features has to be done to be webserver-agnostic
that would be cool...thanks a lot for looking into it 		[18:17]
arildbRobertPlummer: "converting " " from "+" to "%20", looks like an easy fix."...I am not sure. The PHP function urlencode will convert to "+" and rawurlencode will use %20..is that correct. Is that correct?...are there other "hidden things"? [18:22]
RobertPlummerarildb: See, that is what scares me, could be a big job. [18:28]
arildbRobertPlummer: yes. I am not sure, but looks like it could lead to some "holes" [18:28]
gourbig or not big, let's raise the severity and fix it [18:29]
RobertPlummergour, you willing to take on the responsibility of changing it? [18:31]
gourRobertPlummer: i could, but i certainly need some time...i'm tiki & php noob atm :-/ [18:32]
RobertPlummerraise the problem and the proposed fix in the email dev list, and ensure you get proper support.
We've all been in your shoes at some point.
gour: When I started with tiki, I had only written a few lines of php. nearly 3 years in, I'm writing the new tiki wiki parser engine, one of the more complex entities in tiki.
with arildb's help (right arildb) :) 		[18:32]
gourok, i'll send a post to the devel combining wisdom from that nginx+tiki post and reply from the hiawatha dev [18:33]
RobertPlummerand all the tiki devs [18:34]
gourheh, "with a little help from my friends..:" [18:34]
RobertPlummergour: good move [18:34]
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arildbRobertPlummer: ..not much help from me... I am trying to stay away from the thorny area of parsing ;-) [18:52]
RobertPlummerarildb: It is becoming less and less thorny, no? [18:52]
arildbRobertPlummer: I can small the roses [18:53]
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arildbs/small/smell [18:53]
RobertPlummerarildb: I've got much of Aloha working fyi, had to take a couple days off as my clients need some tlc, but it is close. in short, jquery ui is being overwritten when I invoke it.
Thus tiki breaks.
I'm working with the devs to fix this issue, am testing their ability to merge my commits.
other than the very obscure, but in many ways needed, way of loading their entire lib, it is one of the best libs I've seen imho.
like strongly typed javascript, if there was such a thing. 		[18:53]
arildbRobertPlummer: I am eager to try this out, but it has to start. No-one but you can take this on at the moment, I think. [18:56]
RobertPlummerarildb: understood, it has started.
arildb: There are other places were we could use your help, not just wysiwyg. 		[18:56]
arildbRobertPlummer: Is it built into trunk yet? [18:57]
RobertPlummerarildb: I'm awaiting merge of my first commit, then it will be.
https://github.com/alohaeditor/Aloha-Editor/pull/822
Had to expose the elements being inserted so that we can modify them slightly. 		[18:57]
arildbRobertPlummer: My life is going through some changes now privately. Thus I cannot take on any new reposnisbilities (in the Tiki way). I am however happy to help out when the time allows. [19:00]
RobertPlummervery good, thanks arildb [19:00]
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arildbThe anchor tag class "wiki wiki_page" was added reasontly, I belive. It used to be simply "wiki". This is causing some issues with the backlinks. What was the reason for the change? [19:48]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44179 10branches/10.x/templates/comment/list.tpl
tikiwiki [FIX] Remove hand written service URLs 		[19:48]
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luciasharildb: no idea why; what issues ?
s/why/what was the reason/ 		[19:56]
arildbluciash: The backlink search used to look for preg_match_all('/<a class="wiki" href="tiki-index.php?page=([^?&"]+)[^"]*"/', ....
I changed it to preg_match_all('/<a class="wiki wiki_page" href="tiki-index.php?page=([^?&"]+)[^"]*"/', ...
"wiki wiki_page" is what the current Tiki versio uses
however, I discovered that when accessing old data, class="wiki" still remains
so, actually both the old and the new syntax must be suppoerted
maybe better with a regex, than a separate preg_match + array_merge...or?
so, the issue is that backlinks are broken for wiki pages in HTML syntax
in parserlib.php function get_pages($data,$withReltype = false) (trunk) 		[19:57]
luciasharildb: try <a class="wiki[^"]*" href="... [20:03]
arildbluciash: trying... [20:03]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r44180 10branches/10.x/ 10lib/tikilib.php 10tiki-forums_rss.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Speeding up RSS feed - poor implementation caused extreme slowness on sites with many posts, function renamed to break past expectations 		[20:08]
arildbluciash: seems to work. Thanks [20:11]
luciasharildb: welcome [20:21]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44181 10trunk/lib/parser/parserlib.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Catch both anchor tag classes "wiki" and "wiki wiki_page", in backlink processing. Thanks luciash 		[20:28]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44183 10trunk/lib/parser/parserlib.php
tikiwiki [FIX] (hopefully) make backlinks work with SEFURL for pages in html format.
tikiwiki I think this is an old issue. Please check.
tikiwiki 03ohertel r44184 10branches/10.x/lang/de/language.php
tikiwiki [fix] typo 		[21:46]
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arildbluciash: The Normal anchor tag generation makes links like: <a class="wiki wiki_page" href="html+to+pdf+test" title="html to pdf test">html to pdf test</a></p>
However, there is another variation: <a href="mindmap%20test"><span class="wiki wikinew">mindmap test</span></a>
that is the class attribute is missing in the anchor tag
is there a regex, that could include this case, in addition to class="..."? 		[22:36]
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luciasharildb: it looks complicated; where does this variation come from ? would not it be easier to fix this extra case to match the other ones for consistency's sake ? [23:07]
arildbluciash: Seems to be generated here: HTML editor -> Add Http Link -> Select type Wiki page. There is also the issue of old data / manual links
luciash: I have added extra preg_match_all statements to catch these cases 		[23:09]
luciashok [23:10]
arildbWhen refreshing backlinks preg_match_all is called 7 times per page .... not so good [23:10]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r44185 10trunk/ 10db/tiki.sql 03installer/schema/20121203_expand_object_relation_tiki.sql
tikiwiki [DB] Allow for longer relations. Especially for 'tiki.link.*' 		[23:22]
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