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[09:57] * gour is very pleased with tiki's relocability features [10:39] j0n3 joined #tikiwiki [10:54] vmachine joined #tikiwiki [11:39] ravi joined #tikiwiki [11:39] ravi when try to delete some user and click on delete button the page became blank [11:41] Guest81577 how to solve this error [12:05] arildb joined #tikiwiki [12:06] vmachine left #tikiwiki [12:21] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [12:27] panamaus joined #tikiwiki [12:33] vmachine1 joined #tikiwiki [12:34] Guest81577 can someone help me? [12:35] vmachine joined #tikiwiki [12:37] j0n3 Guest81577: are you using local server? [12:37] Guest81577 no live server [12:37] Guest81577 in local system it's working fine [12:38] Guest81577 but in my live server whole page became blank when try to delete user [12:38] vmachine left #tikiwiki [12:39] j0n3 Guest81577: can you check and set php memory_limit to higher value on php.ini? [12:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03kstingel r44263 10users/kstingel/PHPdocProj/tiki-setup.php [12:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REF] just re-aligned the comment block so the box looks pretty [12:40] j0n3 it was my problem using some shared vps, so I decided to set up a local server at home [12:41] j0n3 i mean, i wasn't able to increase memory_limit [12:44] Guest81577 ok [12:56] Guest81577 it's 10GB [13:01] j0n3 joined #tikiwiki [13:21] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [13:22] jonnyb poloooooom [13:38] vmachine1 joined #tikiwiki [14:01] ricks99 joined #tikiwiki [14:02] DarkCalf joined #tikiwiki [14:04] vmachine1 left #tikiwiki [14:19] ricks99 polom y'all [14:41] gour_ joined #tikiwiki [15:09] redflo joined #tikiwiki [15:14] sandroandrade joined #tikiwiki [15:17] ricks99 joined #tikiwiki [15:31] ravi joined #tikiwiki [15:32] Guest1695 i want to delete user but when click on delete logo.......whole page became blank in tikiwiki version 9.1 [15:34] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [15:34] amette polom [15:35] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [15:40] amette I'm a bit stumped on what to do with images... File Galleries are not really good enough for them, but plugins like carousel don't work with Image Galleries... looks like kind of a catch-22 situation to me... anyone has a best practice to deal with this? [15:44] Guest1695 can anybody solve my issue? [15:45] amette Guest1695: have you checked php memory_limit? white pages sound like that [15:45] Guest1695 it's 10GB [15:45] amette WHAT?!?!? [15:45] amette sorry [15:45] amette what? [15:46] Guest1695 every action work fine but when try to remove user,group create problem [15:46] amette that's a bit massive perhaps, but certainly not too small ;) [15:46] amette can you test http://doc.tiki.org/Server+Check ? [15:47] amette also 9.2 LTS is out which has a lot of fixes, you might want to upgrade [15:49] dabright joined #tikiwiki [15:59] Guest1695 sorry memory_limit is 2GB [15:59] amette still quite a lot - 192M should be fine [16:00] amette 256M if you want to make sure [16:00] amette although I don't think this will solve your problem [16:02] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [16:20] USlacker joined #tikiwiki [16:20] USlacker god day all [16:20] USlacker good day all :-) [16:20] USlacker I posted to the mailing list then realized I might find help here. [16:21] USlacker my tiki-based blog came to a slow crawl recently [16:21] USlacker I think I traced it down to a cached wiki page [16:21] USlacker cached wiki link [16:22] USlacker I've stopepd the cacheing with nocache, but the post still takes forever to load [16:23] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [16:23] USlacker would removing the cached rows from the db help? [16:24] USlacker polom, Marc [16:28] DarkCalf joined #tikiwiki [16:34] ricks99 joined #tikiwiki [16:46] dennmans joined #tikiwiki [16:57] creativetux joined #tikiwiki [16:57] creativetux joined #tikiwiki [17:02] kstingel|away not having had much to d with theming (yet) ... is there a quick and simple way to make the {tabs()}stuff{tabs} plugin have a border and a white background? [17:02] kstingel|away ^ * to do [17:02] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [17:02] kstingel|away jonnyb: polom [17:03] jonnyb hi kstingel|away [17:03] jonnyb probably now away then :) [17:03] jonnyb now/not [17:03] ricks99 kstingel|away: easy with css [17:03] kstingel|away depends which screen I'm facing ... Ubuntu hasn't got IRC loaded yet :) [17:04] kstingel|away ricks99: don't suppose you know off-hand which class I need to over-ride? [17:05] ricks99 you want a border around the entire tabset? [17:05] amette oh, ricks99 - hi! :) [17:05] ricks99 .tabset {border:1px solid #000000} [17:05] amette Can you tell me how you got the carousel on smarties link anywhere? [17:05] ricks99 and hi amette [17:05] amette :) [17:06] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [17:06] ricks99 amette: need to use jq manually -- not the plugin. [17:06] amette I don't need a different link on every image, just link to the gallery they are coming from. [17:06] amette aaah, thought so - I will probably have to do that anyways as I need to use Image Galleries [17:06] kstingel|away border around each 'page' (and tab itself if possible) but content of page on white bg [17:06] ricks99 ah... then could enclose the entire carousel in a div with a onclick action [17:07] * ricks99 really effective today.. answering 2 qs at once ;-) [17:07] amette :D [17:07] ricks99 kstingel|away: ah. each tab is in its own "tabcontent" class [17:08] kstingel|away was thinking perhaps I should place content into a {div(class="white")}tab content {div} wrapper [17:08] amette ricks99: Sounds good, I'll try that... you use the jquery plugin, right? [17:08] ricks99 amette: yup [17:08] amette ricks99: ok, thanks! I'll try that! :) [17:09] ricks99 kstingel|away: try this: [17:09] ricks99 {TABS(...)} [17:09] ricks99 {DIV(class="custom")}content here{DIV} [17:09] ricks99 {TABS} [17:09] ricks99 then syle the .custom { } as needed [17:11] kstingel|away ricks99: thanks, will try that in sandbox (where I'm doing the re-write) :) [17:14] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [17:29] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [17:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44264 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-maps.js [17:40] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] maps: Set numZoomLevels for google maps so you can zoom in further (thanks marclaporte) [17:43] ricks99 Q: in 9.2LTS (but not 10), the PLUGINS tab on the Admin: Text Area no longer shows all the plugins (and ability to enable/disable) [17:43] ricks99 is this by design? or a bug? [17:52] jonnyb hi ricks99 - sounds like a bug - that one often runs out of memory [17:53] ricks99 recall a discussion about that, but i'm not getting any such error. [17:53] jonnyb seems fine for me here (locally) [17:54] jonnyb could it be theme related? [17:54] ricks99 9.2 [17:54] ricks99 ? [17:54] ricks99 you see the list of plugins on the PLUGIn tab? [17:54] * ricks99 maybe accidently customzed something he shouldn't have [17:54] jonnyb yup - on 9.x svn [17:54] ricks99 ah. svn [17:54] ricks99 im 9.2 [17:55] jonnyb this rings a bell, think i found one theme that doesn't show some things [17:55] * ricks99 using fivealive default [17:55] jonnyb is the list there in the DOM? (or source?) [17:55] amette quite a coincidence, just on the admin plugins page in a tiki 9.x from SVN two days ago and the plugins work here, too [17:55] jonnyb hi amette [17:55] amette heya jonnyb :) [17:56] jonnyb been meaning to add a search option there for sites on 64M shared hosting (i seem to have a few) [17:56] ricks99 i'm running 9.2 (not svn).... [17:56] ricks99 ahh. the
html and wiki -> wysiwyg(html) -> wiki. [18:54] RobertPlummer gour: I don't understand, explain. [18:54] RobertPlummer gour: Talking about changi|away perhaps (server wiz)? [18:55] gour RobertPlummer: there is bug in absolute_urls.php and i fixed my problem with a ugly workaround, but it would require proper patch [18:56] gour ..to make tiki work properly behind reverse-proxy [18:56] RobertPlummer gour: I'm not sure who would be the best candidate would be for that, are you a experienced developer? [18:57] gour RobertPlummer: not really and especially not with php...those were my 1st php lines :-) [18:57] dabright I missed most of the namespace separator discussion. Is there some concise explanation of why / or // couldn't be used? I would have thought that context would allow distinguishing those from external (e.g., http://) links. [18:57] * gour did not write web code so far [18:58] RobertPlummer gour: What languages are you familiar with if any? [18:58] RobertPlummer gour: Any forms development? [18:59] deliminator joined #tikiwiki [18:59] deliminator hello [18:59] dabright The / might have led naturally to a sub-page syntax, too, rather than just a one-level (namespace) hierarchy. [18:59] RobertPlummer deliminator: Welcome from the team at Tiki [19:00] RobertPlummer deliminator: Would you like to introduce yourself (he is from Aloha Editor)? [19:00] gour RobertPlummer: well during the university and later i learnt several (fortran, pascal, C/++...familiar a bit with python, played with haskell a bit), but my career was not going towards developer-route which is only a hobby for me now...considering to learn ada or something for a general desktop gui app...otoh, i've needs to put together some sites as well - that's why tiki ;) [19:01] deliminator Hello, I'm deliminator, sometimes also called Tobias, and I work at girigiri and I'm on the aloha core team [19:01] * gour waves and greets deliminator [19:01] RobertPlummer deliminator: We are glad to have you and your expertise! [19:01] deliminator Always glad to help if you have any questions [19:01] gour huhh..now i'm being called for a dinner :-/ [19:02] gour bbs...hopefully [19:02] RobertPlummer deliminator: May I just say that my recent work to get Aloha editor working, has actually been very pleasant :). I am very much liking how you are using a dynamically typed language in sort of a strongly typed manner. [19:03] RobertPlummer deliminator: My first question is about integration, you have stated there are some changes coming down the pipe that will provide an easier integration, can you explain? [19:03] deliminator Not sure what you mean, but glad it is positive :-) [19:03] RobertPlummer deliminator: I was referring to the namespaces, and plugins, makes it much more organized. [19:03] deliminator I have been working on the aloha-modular branch [19:04] RobertPlummer Ah ha! That explains why I didn't see the changes yet. [19:04] deliminator https://github.com/alohaeditor/Aloha-Editor/issues/737 [19:04] deliminator https://github.com/alohaeditor/Aloha-Editor/blob/dev-modular/src/demo/boilerplate/index-modular.html [19:04] deliminator The first link points to the relevant issue [19:04] deliminator The second link is an example [19:05] deliminator Essentially, you just include the script tags. You don't need to know anything about requirejs any more [19:05] deliminator requirejs is still working of course [19:05] RobertPlummer deliminator: Exactly what I would look for. I started the xml request method in jQuery.sheet, and it ended up just taking too long to load everything. [19:06] RobertPlummer So to get aloha editor working in tiki, what would be needed? I apologize if this is a repeat, but I know some code has changed recently. [19:07] deliminator I don't know what you mean with starting a xml request. [19:07] RobertPlummer I see for example, will that conflict with our jquery ui? [19:07] RobertPlummer deliminator: I should say http request.... or better, an ajax call. [19:07] deliminator you can use jqueryui 1.9 or up [19:07] deliminator What has the AJAX call to do with Alhoa? [19:09] RobertPlummer deliminator: < script src='' data-aloha-plugins='common/ui, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/table, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/list, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/link, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/highlighteditables, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/block, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/undo, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/image, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/paste, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/commands, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/abbr, [19:09] RobertPlummer common/format'> [19:09] RobertPlummer THose are called in via an ajax call after the point of loading aloha editor, but seems that is done away with in your branch. [19:09] RobertPlummer which is good! :) [19:10] deliminator Are you working with the minified aloha? [19:10] RobertPlummer deliminator: No, I was working with master [19:10] deliminator These files should be compiled into aloha.js, and should not have to be loaded lazily [19:10] deliminator OK, that explains it. You have to compile aloha to get best performance [19:11] RobertPlummer deliminator: ok [19:11] RobertPlummer deliminator: Are their directions on how to build? [19:11] deliminator You compile it by customizing the build profile in build/aloha/build-profile-common-extra.js [19:11] deliminator http://aloha-editor.org/guides/develop_aloha.html [19:12] deliminator 4.3 Customized Builds: [19:12] deliminator The simplest thing is to copy the existing build profile somewhere in your own project [19:12] RobertPlummer Ok, very good. I will experiment with today. [19:12] deliminator then edit it and only include the plugins that you need to keep the size as small as possible [19:13] deliminator you also have to adapt the appDir url [19:13] deliminator in the build profile [19:13] deliminator and also startFile and endFile [19:13] deliminator otherwise the paths are incorrect since the build profile is in a different folder [19:14] RobertPlummer How does one use custom language files with plugins? [19:14] deliminator i18n should just work [19:14] deliminator If you have a german browser, the german i18n files are downloaded by requirejs [19:15] deliminator if you have an english browser, the english files are downloaded [19:15] RobertPlummer We have that implemented, but I believe we use a function tr('Words') to do our translations. [19:15] deliminator you can also set the locale option in the build profile to compile a specific language into the output file [19:15] deliminator i18n.t() [19:16] deliminator You can use the requirejs i18n loader plugin [19:16] RobertPlummer Could we just not include a language file and use tr() throughout the plugin? [19:16] RobertPlummer For custom plugins we have them already translated for other parts of tiki, would be nice to reuse our code. [19:17] deliminator I don't know how your mechanism works [19:17] deliminator I suppose you could, couldn't you? [19:17] RobertPlummer We will have to. [19:17] deliminator Do you see any problems with it? [19:17] RobertPlummer deliminator: Don't think so. [19:18] RobertPlummer deliminator: Next question is on line breaks. We need a way to be able to use

OR
depending on the situation. If we updated the code to know when to use one over the other, is there any problem in how aloha tracks position, line height, etc? [19:19] RobertPlummer deliminator: This would be without using shift. And we need to modify what shift does as well on insert of those elements. [19:19] deliminator
s are supported via shift+enter [19:19] RobertPlummer deliminator: I know, but tiki has a setting (default to
) that allows you to switch from one to the other. [19:20] RobertPlummer deliminator: We need aloha to follow suite. [19:20] deliminator so it's just a question of which keystroke inserts a br - once they are in the content, they are supported [19:20] RobertPlummer deliminator: ok, because ckeditor has a host of issues apparently with such a content. Could you point me to where to find how that is handled in aloha? [19:21] deliminator http://aloha-editor.org/guides/functional_description.htmlI [19:21] deliminator There is some info at this link [19:21] deliminator There is an I at the end which is incorrect [19:22] deliminator But there is no out-of-the box functionality to just flip a switch and have brs inserted [19:22] deliminator you'd have to build that yourself [19:22] deliminator pull requests welcome :-) [19:22] RobertPlummer deliminator: How about where that is handled within the code? [19:22] RobertPlummer deliminator: Pull requests are my speciality! [19:23] jonnyb hi deliminator - i did some of the work getting creditor into tiki a few versions ago... [19:24] jonnyb it sounds like aloha works in what we call "wiki_paragraph" mode, which i think is the "right way" and made a requirement for wysiwyg in tiki [19:25] jonnyb personally i've never spent any time supporting the rather weird "html 3.2" default way tiki uses
s instead of

s [19:25] deliminator markup.js preProcessKeyStrokes and processShiftEnter and processEnter [19:26] RobertPlummer jonnyb: I think the idea would be to support both, we want to remain backward compatible with wiki content. [19:26] deliminator It should end up in engine.js with execCommand('insertlinebreak') and execCommand('insertparagraph') for both behviours [19:26] RobertPlummer great! [19:27] deliminator Hello jonnyb, by default Aloha will create or split paragraphs when enter is pressed. When shift+enter is pressed,
s are inserted instead [19:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44265 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js [19:28] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] comments: Remove previous comment form when opening a new one, confusing to have multiple textareas (thanks Bsfez) [19:28] jonnyb yes, that's the usual convention [19:28] jonnyb we're not great on following conventions round here ;) [19:33] RobertPlummer deliminator: My next question is on contenteditable="false", how does that propagate to the element's children? [19:33] RobertPlummer deliminator: CKEditor has a nasty habit of not inheriting this setting to the elements children, thus something we don't want edited is editable farther down into it's hierarchy. [19:34] deliminator it should propagate to all descendants of the editable, until contenteditable="true" is encountered, which again should propagate to all descendants until contenteeditable="false" is encountered [19:35] deliminator in aloha you would solve the problem of having blocks of non-editable content inside an editable with the block plugin [19:35] RobertPlummer deliminator: That is music to our ears, any browsers have difficulty with this? [19:37] RobertPlummer deliminator: The reason I ask is that in Tiki we have some pretty cool plugins that need to be rendered, but static only. When you go to double click, a popup comes up, and then you can edit the plugin. Each time though we want to (ideally) show the output of the plugin. So after a plugin is edited, we want to update the contents of the element representing the wysiwyg plugin. Which also leads to my next question, upon updat [19:37] RobertPlummer e, will there be a problem? [19:38] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44266 10branches/10.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js [19:38] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] comments: Use the "on" event handler instead of "live" which was deprecated (ages ago) [19:40] deliminator http://aloha-editor.org/guides/plugin_block.html [19:41] RobertPlummer deliminator: For example, if I just have have setTimeout(function() {updatePlugin();}, 1000); will this contenteditable still propigate if the element has changed since aloha loaded? [19:41] deliminator http://aloha-editor.org/builds/stable/alohaeditor-0.22.6/aloha/demo/block/ [19:41] deliminator The second link has a simple demo with a few blocks [19:41] RobertPlummer deliminator: Our aim is to eventually have ajax updated plugins in real time while the user is editing the page. [19:41] deliminator Open the sidebar on the right and you will be able to control the block content [19:41] deliminator you can also drag the blocks around [19:43] deliminator You can have your own ui with modals that interact with the block content, since you can directly access the DOM elements inside the block [19:43] deliminator and you can update it however you want without problems, since it's basically a black box for aloha [19:43] RobertPlummer oh wow [19:44] deliminator you can also have editables inside the block that are interpreted by aloha [19:44] RobertPlummer jonnyb: You gotta check this out! [19:45] jonnyb coo, sounds interesting [19:45] RobertPlummer That is really exactly where we want to go. Very nice! [19:45] deliminator there is an implementation in a cms that I worked on [19:45] deliminator demo.gentics.com [19:45] deliminator you can log in with node/node [19:45] deliminator and edit the page [19:45] RobertPlummer deliminator: Next question, when is genetics moving to tiki? [19:45] RobertPlummer :) [19:46] RobertPlummer j/k [19:46] deliminator in the demo you can insert custom "tags" [19:47] deliminator which have been implemented with the block plugin [19:47] deliminator I work at Girigiri [19:47] deliminator Actually, I'm also working on a wiki product [19:47] deliminator wikidocs.com [19:47] RobertPlummer Cool [19:47] deliminator Seems we are competitors [19:47] deliminator :-) [19:47] RobertPlummer deliminator: I've looked at it somewhat, but not really closely, Tiki has a custom way of building toolbars, how is integration will aloha be in this regard? [19:48] deliminator Have you looked at wikidocs.com recently? [19:48] deliminator it now has a new UI [19:48] RobertPlummer deliminator: competitors, no, common interest of others, yes. We work together to make software better. If there were just one of everything, we'd rarely see a need to make it better. [19:48] RobertPlummer looking [19:48] deliminator The toolbar is completely custom [19:49] deliminator but with static HTML embedded in the page [19:49] deliminator so, we don't use Aloha's out-of-the-box UI at all [19:49] RobertPlummer deliminator: Nice [19:49] deliminator The code we use is available on the dev-ui-a-la-carte branch [19:49] deliminator It's relatively simple [19:49] deliminator we override the ui-plugin and some components modules via the requirejs path mechanism [19:50] RobertPlummer deliminator: How up to date is that code though? [19:50] deliminator and hook them to the static html via class attributes [19:51] deliminator The ui-a-la-carte? Fairly up to date I would say [19:51] RobertPlummer deliminator: For example the added logic for loading jQuery ui as