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[08:06] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: New TikiWiki 10 (beta) Installation - Unable to save preferences/permissions - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=45684
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[10:24] gour morning
[10:24] gour or polom
[10:27] gour after some pre-eliminary work with tiki, now i want to migrate my sites to it...on one site we keep list/table of audio (mp3) files available for download. besides filename, filesize, date when the file was lastly updated and download counter are displayed. how to do it in tiki?
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[11:59] luciash polom
[11:59] luciash gour: what column is missing when you edit the file gallery in tiki
[12:00] luciash gour: there are display options
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[12:04] gour luciash: i did not even start...now i just created file gallery and have to populate it a bit
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[12:20] luciash there seems some little glitch in up-to-date version check... "A new version of Tiki, 9.1, is available. You are currently running 9.2. Please visit tiki.org/Download."
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[13:13] jonnyb polom
[13:13] luciash moloq jonnyb
[13:14] jonnyb hi luciash
[13:14] luciash hi :)
[13:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44292 10branches/10.x/ 10(7 files in 3 dirs)
[13:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] Replace serialize/unserialize_calls on input with json encode/decode where appropriate, removed some others (thanks for the continued help on this Egix)
[13:32] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44293 10(8 files in 4 dirs)
[13:32] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/10.x 44284 to 44292
[14:28] alzoo I have a quick question on ldap external group configuration.  is this used to populate groups in the tiki or to define which members of a ldap group can login?
[14:41] rinnan polom
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[14:45] rinnan I've been fiddling with pluginmono and plugincode but whatever I try there seems to be no way to display code in a box using å monospaced font.
[14:45] rinnan anyone got an idea what I'm not seeing?
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[14:49] rinnan I did manage to use pluginmono in an old fashioned ^-style box, but then I lose the indentation and syntax-highlighting
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[14:53] alzoo anyone know the answer to my ldap external groups question?
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[14:54] rinnan <- has only used the basic ldap funtionality unfortunately
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[15:02] alzoo dones anyone know then if I can filter logins by ldap group?
[15:03] luciash alzoo: no ldap knowledge here, sorry
[15:05] luciash rinnan: it is by the CSS - it sets the syntax highlighter font to sans-serif instead of monospace, u need to override it or switch off the CodeMirror syntax highlighter
[15:09] rinnan luciash: ah, excellent: I'll look into it right away. Thanks!
[15:12] luciash rinnan: there is theme in upcoming Tiki 10 which sets it to monospace by default - gradiant.css
[15:14] rinnan luciash: I'll investigate that option as well. Got a bit confused by the docs claiming plugincode uses monospaced font by default
[15:14] luciash rinnan: in fact it does but it is overriden by the syntax highlighter
[15:15] rinnan and thats where my confusion really kicked in ;) I'll hunt down that CSS now
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[15:26] gour i've some issues when uploading files to the gallery in 10.0b...for every upload i get 'POST aborted' is there any known issue?
[15:29] arildb gour: works ok for me (last time I tried). Is the file large?
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[15:30] gour arildb: at first i was trying with 40MB, not with 400k, but both fail
[15:31] arildb gour: I just tested on 10 (SVN version), and file uploads work fine
[15:32] gour arildb: it's even more strange 'cause it's on my localhost...let me check some things
[15:36] laurei whats the going rate for a tikiwiki install
[15:37] luciash going rate ?
[15:38] ricks99 laurei: Tiki is free... no charge
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[15:40] laurei surely there are people around who take a payment in exchange for installing the packages
[15:43] rinnan luciash: thanks again, monospace source code works like a charm now that I commented out the one line specifying the codemirror font
[15:50] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44294 03branches/aloha-editor
[15:50] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [NEW] Branching for custom work with aloha
[15:50] RobertPlummer Drat, was testing and didn't think that would go through.
[15:52] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44295 03branches/experimental/aloha-editor/trunk
[15:52] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [NEW] Branching for custom work with aloha
[15:54] gour strange. i get POST entity too large for upload of 100KB file and tiki reports "Maximum file size is around: 81 MB" (setting is 100M)
[15:55] arildb gour: there are many settings that determine the max size. On IIS the setting is not picked up. It may be similar with other non-Apache servers
[15:56] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44296 04branches/aloha-editor
[15:56] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REM] Wrong branch location, needs experimental
[15:56] gour arildb: thanks. will investigate....
[15:57] RobertPlummer gour, I was thinking, I wouldn't mind using fossil, but we would need trunk and need to merge to svn from fossil and to fossil from svn, is that possible?
[15:58] RobertPlummer arildb: Will be committing aloha editor shortly, branch already exists
[15:58] gour RobertPlummer: probably not feasible for continuous merging, but for occasional it should work...you can export from fossil to git and then using git-svn as (best) svn client
[15:59] RobertPlummer gour, would it take a lot of development to find a way to do so?
[15:59] RobertPlummer gour: Because I know they have achieved it with git.
[16:00] RobertPlummer github accepts both svn and git commits to the same repository, although that isn't really the same.
[16:00] RobertPlummer gour: Or does fossil accept svn commits?
[16:00] RobertPlummer gour: That'd be pretty cool
[16:01] gour RobertPlummer: fossil --> git is simple - see http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/trunk/www/inout.wiki
[16:01] gour no, fossil does not have anything with svn, even with git 'cause it has quite different model
[16:02] RobertPlummer So can git and fossil merge freely?
[16:02] RobertPlummer Jyhem_laptop, Jyhem: you around?
[16:02] RobertPlummer kstingel: Did you ever get anywhere with jison development?
[16:03] gour RobertPlummer: for the other part see - http://maymay.net/blog/2009/02/24/how-to-use-git-svn-as-the-only-subversion-client-youll-need/
[16:03] RobertPlummer ricks99: You around?
[16:04] gour RobertPlummer: i believe that 2-way sync between fossil & git is not for everyday...the best is to migrate from svn altogether ;)
[16:04] RobertPlummer gour: Are there any plans for this functionality to be created?
[16:05] RobertPlummer gour: I think it would aid to the acceptance if that did work.
[16:05] gour RobertPlummer: to move away from svn? there is some inititiative...the best is to report your (frustration) problems with svn to marclaporte ;)
[16:06] * gour also believe tiki deserves better
[16:07] Jyhem RobertPlummer: yes, but in a meeting
[16:08] RobertPlummer gour: Believe me, I have.  I am one of the advocates wanting it most.  I wanted git + github due to ease of adding committers, but there is overhead.
[16:10] gour RobertPlummer: have you tried fossil privately?
[16:10] RobertPlummer gour: No, I haven't had time.
[16:11] gour RobertPlummer: it really "saves developer's brain cycles"...much easier/safer than git...have you read my post how tcl/tk moved to it?
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[16:13] RobertPlummer No I did.  It is just a big move is all.
[16:13] RobertPlummer We would need trunk and the ability to merge to svn.
[16:15] RobertPlummer and from fossil to svn.  If we had this, then there would be reason to migrate as it would be an adjustable learning curve.
[16:16] RobertPlummer Also mentioned was externals, did we ever discover a way to do that in fossil?
[16:16] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44297 04branches/experimental/aloha-editor/trunk
[16:16] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REM] Duplicate trunk
[16:20] gour RobertPlummer: learning curve for fossil is almost nil...even the command (sub)set is quite similar to svn
[16:20] gour as far as externals, i only know that fossil includes sqlite sources in its repo and regularly merges new ones
[16:21] RobertPlummer gour: That is good.  How hard would it be to manage merging to and from fossil/svn?
[16:22] gour Tcl/Tk is big project which moved and it could be worthy to ask them...when i asked in IRC, I got reply from 'em that "we do not want to host anything critical on SF", so that maybe different idea than keeping SF on Allura
[16:23] gour RobertPlummer: i cannot say 'cause svn has/keeps metadata differently...maybe the better option would be to use svn <--> git and then regularly import into fossil
[16:26] gour firebug shows that PSOT request for uploading ~80kb file is ~300kb in size and i believe that the server does not allow such big request. why such an overhead?
[16:28] gour is there any option to (S)FTP gallery files to the server and then catch 'em directly from the server?
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[16:33] ricks99 gour: yes, use the batch option
[16:34] gour ricks99: thank you
[16:34] ricks99 youre welcome
[16:36] gour that's podcasts dir, i thought it's for something else
[16:36] ricks99 ?
[16:37] ricks99 can use any directory/ftp location
[16:38] ricks99 nothing to do with podcast
[16:38] ricks99 see docs for details: http://doc.tiki.org/Batch+Upload
[16:38] gour option says: Podcast directory: isn't it a bit misleading?
[16:38] gour ahh, then it's something else
[16:53] RobertPlummer arildb: Guess what I'm committing ;)
[16:54] RobertPlummer arildb: aloha?
[16:54] RobertPlummer :)
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[17:02] arildb Hi RobertPlummer
[17:03] arildb is aloha the commit in experimental complete? ... so it loads?
[17:04] arildb RobertPlummer: I downloaded the aloha-editor experimental branch yesterday, but not much worked.
[17:05] arildb is this a new build, or?
[17:08] gour from the latest SF newsletter: "Another popular code hosting service recently announced that they won't be allowing uploading of packaged releases any more. This seems like a good opportunity to remind you that you're welcome to host your downloads on SourceForge, even if other parts of your project are hosted elsewhere. " :-)
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[17:39] RobertPlummer arildb: I'm committing, it is taking forever.  Lots of files.
[17:40] arildb :-)
[17:40] RobertPlummer arildb: You should be able to svn up when it is uploaded.
[17:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03robertplummer r44298 10branches/ 10(1986 files in 328 dirs)
[17:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [NEW] Added aloha-editor and initial integration.
[17:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] Removed setUpJisonEditor from ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php and added a jison-editor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php to follow the same model of integration
[17:42] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] tiki-preview.tpl and resizable doesn't like the handles method we are using so commented out for the time being (just the handles)
[17:42] RobertPlummer FINALLY!
[17:43] arildb RobertPlummer: ...updating
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[17:44] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [NEW] Added aloha-editor and initial integration.
[17:44] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] Removed setUpJisonEditor from ckeditor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php and added a jison-editor_tiki/wysiwyglib.php to follow the same model of integration
[17:44] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] tiki-preview.tpl and resizable doesn't like the handles method we are using so commented out for the time being (just the handles)
[17:46] RobertPlummer arildb: Fyi, edit & save will distort the document at this time.
[17:47] arildb RobertPlummer: ok...nop...just a test db anyhow
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[17:54] RobertPlummer arildb: How we looking?
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[17:54] arildb RobertPlummer: still downloading
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[18:31] arildb RobertPlummer: starting Tiki w/aloha now
[18:31] arildb RobertPlummer: Is the an aloha setting, or is it just to enable the Jison parser? I guess wysiwyg must be enabled too...
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[18:47] arildb RobertPlummer: I did a little testnig ...
[18:48] arildb I am able to load the Aloha Editor, including writing text in it. (Enabled wysiwyg only, i.e. not optional)
[18:49] arildb It is not possible to save a new wiki page
[18:49] arildb existing page (no plugins ... pure text) loads ok in Aloha
[18:50] arildb when attempting to save a page, I get a blank screen. The changes have not been saved
[18:51] arildb being able to save wiki page changes is kind of crucial to do other testng
[18:52] arildb I am testing on Windows7, IIS7 using FF
[18:54] arildb The properties tab, when editing is missing, but is not important right now.
[18:55] arildb The aloha editor is activated by pressing edit page.
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[19:01] arildb RobertPlummer: Alohas ability to edit without a context switch (as seen on their test pages) is great, I think.
[19:01] arildb Pressing the "edit button" cuases a context switch. Would a general "wiki edit-mode" at user level be better?
[19:01] arildb Then the user would remain in edit mode for all visited wiki pages, until "edit mode" is closed.
[19:01] arildb That would eliminate the edit context switch
[19:02] arildb How to specify categories + properties for a wiki page must then be solved
[19:18] Bsfez polom
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[19:22] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [REL] missing 9.2 release info
[19:34] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03sylvieg r44301 10trunk/templates/tiki-user_information.tpl
[19:34] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX]do not display no content if only blog posts
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[20:48] RobertPlummer arildb: Explain at use level.
[20:49] arildb RobertPlummer: User level = there is a system "switch" (per session) which holds the "edit-mode". When it's active, all wiki pages are automatically in edit mode (thus no switch to an editor context)
[20:50] arildb instead of switching to an editor context
[20:50] arildb This is one of the great things on their demos, in my opinion.
[20:51] arildb RobertPlummer: can such an in-context edit mode be implemented in Tiki?
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[21:09] RobertPlummer arildb: I think that would be a great addition.  And realistically could be implemented with little overhead even now.
[21:10] RobertPlummer arildb: Where we need to most help is going to be in aloha-editor plugins.
[21:10] arildb RobertPlummer: that sounds great
[21:10] RobertPlummer arildb: You're telling me, I love the thing.
[21:10] arildb RobertPlummer: plugins, ok. What are they, and what is needed?
[21:11] RobertPlummer arildb: An aloha-editor plugin would provide some sort of implementation between aloha-editor and tiki
[21:12] arildb RobertPlummer: such as saving pages?
[21:12] RobertPlummer arildb: We are basically at scratch right now with them.  I can think of a number of them that would either need an event that exposes what was inserted or modified, or something that edits wiki plugins.
[21:13] RobertPlummer arildb: Not so much, that can be done in a few lines of code, just been busy today with unexpected meetings and the release of 10.
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[21:14] arildb RobertPlummer: Is the Aloha licensing issue resolved?
[21:15] RobertPlummer arildb: Not yet.  We are hopefull that there will be an exception for us.
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[21:15] RobertPlummer arildb: Worst case scenario, tiki installers will need to download it separately.
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[21:16] arildb RobertPlummer: good that even the worst case is semi-workable
[21:17] RobertPlummer arildb: Yes, but still not ideal.  One thing at a time though.  marclaporte is using his amazing public relations skills on how it has helped tiki so I'm sure we will reach some sort of agreement.
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[21:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r44302 10branches/10.x/templates/tiki-list_trackers.tpl
[21:26] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Change heading on tracker structure import as it does not take CSV data. Added a (hopefully) clarifying note (thanks Arild)
[21:27] changi polom
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[21:37] changi Bsfez: release or not release ??
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[21:44] arildb When looking at a tracker (watch is marked active), I get the error
[21:44] arildb PHP (5.4.8) NOTICE (E_NOTICE):
[21:44] arildb File: D:\OpenSource\TikiWiki\www\tiki10\lib\trackers\trackerlib.php
[21:44] arildb Line: 3060
[21:44] arildb Type: Undefined index: user_tracker_watch_editor
[21:45] arildb watching tracker changes also doesn't seem to work. Maybe related?
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[22:14] luciash arildb: it is not an error, it is a notice ;)
[22:15] arildb luciash: yes, you are right. Still it mentions user_tracker_watch_editor ... not sure if that is related to watching tracker changes or not (wghich does not seem to work)
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[22:26] arildb Since your last visit... does not seem to work ok in dev.t.o. jonnyb fixed this some time ago though. Maybe the problem is back?
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[22:27] jonnyb wouldn't be surprised, lots of stuff gets broken :(
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[22:31] arildb jonnyb: I get strange results in my local Tiki 10 too. So, Since your last visit... seems broken again :-(
[22:32] jonnyb arildb: will just have to join the queue i'm afraid
[22:34] arildb jonnyb: the last fix was an sql fix, I believe. Do you remember where..in which php file?
[22:41] arildb I found it. in userslib.php
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[23:22] jonnyb sorry arildb - yes the fix is still in there - http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/?rev=44021&view=rev -  something else must have changed
[23:22] arildb seems like it
[23:40] arildb jonnyb: I think Since your last visit... may be working. The list got cleared now, when I loggout out and back in
[23:41] jonnyb arildb: since last visit looks ok to me on dev.t.o (i see stuff in there)
[23:41] arildb yes, I think it's ok. Sorry about a false alarm
[23:42] jonnyb no probs, thanks for being vigilant! :)
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