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[04:38] astroo- bye people
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[07:02] PenguinMan98 Generic question: If TikiWiki is on version 10, why is all the documentation for version 4 ish?
[07:03] PenguinMan98 Next more specific question, if I accidentally gave registered users rights to change permissions for the wiki, how do I revoke that privilege?
[07:05] PenguinMan98 Bonus question: If I had a user try to register but never got the email because my system limitations and I want to manually approve his account, how can I do that?
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[07:55] PenguinMan98 additionally, I made a registered user and did some edits to the wiki.  Now the admin can see them but the registered and anon cannot.  I assume this is some kind of 'approval' system but I can't seem to see where to 'approve' the changes
[08:19] PenguinMan98 ... hello out there...
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[12:18] fabricius Hi PenguinMan98
[12:18] fabricius r you still here?
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[16:10] PenguinMan98 I'm here fabricius
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[16:18] PenguinMan98 I made a registered user and did some edits to the wiki.  Now the admin can see them but the registered and anon cannot.  I assume this is some kind of 'approval' system but I can't seem to see where to 'approve' the changes
[16:19] PenguinMan98 I made other changes as the Admin and the registered user still can't see them
[16:53] lphuberdeau That would be under Admin > Wiki > Flagged Revision if you enabled that
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[17:25] lphuberdeau lphuberdeau 10:53:10 AM
[17:25] lphuberdeau That would be under Admin > Wiki > Flagged Revision if you enabled that
[17:27] PenguinMan98 flagged revision?
[17:27] * PenguinMan98 goes to check
[17:34] lphuberdeau or maybe it's called wiki approval
[17:35] PenguinMan98 Think it would be worth my time to spend the $15 on the Tiki for Smarties book?
[17:45] lphuberdeau sure
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[17:46] lphuberdeau all the content is available online, but it's a handy reference
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[19:54] PenguinMan98 I dunno. I've been to the website for that book and it seems to be horribly out of date
[19:55] PenguinMan98 I dont' think the author would profit much from selling the book if his site had all the same data for free.  That said, it is a wiki site so if it's not up to date, there's guilt to spread around
[19:55] PenguinMan98 I don't know if I have it in me to start updating it
[19:55] PenguinMan98 But maybe..
[19:56] PenguinMan98 I'm still too much of a newb to tiki though
[19:57] PenguinMan98 I never did find anything like 'flagged revision' or 'wiki approval'
[19:57] PenguinMan98 My 'admin' -> doesn't have a 'wiki'
[19:58] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/eceBE5ukTHN
[19:59] PenguinMan98 You can see I'm on the wiki preferences page but I don't see any option with that name anywhere on any of the tabs
[20:01] PenguinMan98 It's frustrating because this issue seems to be defeating the primary functionality of tiki's flagship module
[20:02] PenguinMan98 You'd think anything that could do that would have BIG RED BUTTONS all over it
[20:03] PenguinMan98 Which leads me to believe it's something ridiculously simple that I just don't understand
[20:07] PenguinMan98 my permissions: http://screencast.com/t/SJ3d7LrIr7
[20:09] marclaporte PenguinMan98: I am about to leave, can't check screencasts now, but you are having trouble configuring Flagged Revisons?
[20:09] PenguinMan98 I'm having trouble with my anonymous and registered users not seeing changes made to the wiki
[20:09] PenguinMan98 If that means a 'flagged revisions' issue, then yes
[20:10] marclaporte ok, see http://demo.tiki.org/ to play with existing Tikis
[20:10] changi|back polom
[20:10] marclaporte tiki-objectpermissions.php
[20:11] marclaporte and tiki-admin.php?page=wiki  are two important links for you
[20:12] PenguinMan98 seeing as my screencasts were to my tiki-objectpermissions.php and tiki-admin.php pages, I think I've got that much covered.
[20:12] PenguinMan98 I'll play with the demos though
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[20:38] PenguinMan98 bm marclaporte
[20:38] PenguinMan98 wb*
[20:39] PenguinMan98 wow, how did I mess that up so badly?
[20:39] PenguinMan98 anyway,
[20:40] PenguinMan98 Yes.  I've been through my tiki-objectpermissions.php and my tiki-admin?page=wiki
[20:40] PenguinMan98 I"m seeing some permissions on the demo that I don't have in my install. I thought I was running 10X
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[20:44] PenguinMan98 But back the question at hand,
[20:44] PenguinMan98 If I ask the wiki to list all pages, it only lists one.  My homepage.
[20:44] PenguinMan98 If I access this page from admin or access it from anonymous/registered, it seems to show two entirely different pages.
[20:44] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/x0OjNSL5GMC
[20:45] PenguinMan98 why is that?
[20:51] fabricius hi PenguinMan98
[20:52] fabricius you had a qustion sometime this morning ...
[20:52] fabricius is that solved?
[20:52] fabricius I just popped back in now PenguinMan98
[20:54] fabricius What is the problem with ths screencast from 20:44:59? it is supposed to be so
[20:55] fabricius on the default HomePage the wikiplugin {GROUP()} is used
[20:56] fabricius {GROUP(groups=Anonymous)}This content is visible for anonymous visitors{ELSE}This content is visible for logged in uses{GROUP}
[20:57] fabricius users
[20:58] fabricius when you start with "rights and roles" (permission management) PenguinMan98 you should avoid objectpermissions ... stay away from objectpermissions until you really know what you do.
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[20:59] fabricius start with general permissions for users and with category permissions for groups
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[21:06] PenguinMan98 ummm.. ok
[21:09] PenguinMan98 So, I'm looking around my admin interface for a 'permissions' that does not take me to 'objectpermissions.php' but I'm not finding it
[21:28] PenguinMan98 Yep.  Everything that seems even remotely permissions related takes me back to the objectpermissions.php
[21:28] fabricius humm
[21:28] PenguinMan98 So .. I'm sorry but I don't understand your instructions
[21:28] fabricius let me check - I think we talk two different stories
[21:29] fabricius 1 minute
[21:29] fabricius (have been out for half an hour)
[21:31] fabricius so
[21:32] fabricius the file / adress tiki-objectpermissions.php is good ... we talk a different point no ... listen ...
[21:33] fabricius in Tiki (like in many othe CMS systems) you have "users" and "groups", you have "objects" and "categories"
[21:33] fabricius clear so far?
[21:35] fabricius anyway I continue
[21:35] fabricius in Tiki you cannot apply any permission directly to a user
[21:36] PenguinMan98 correct
[21:36] fabricius you can apply a user to a group ... this is pretty much all for users in permission management
[21:36] PenguinMan98 visitors are in the group 'anonymous'
[21:37] fabricius yes!
[21:37] PenguinMan98 people who sign up become 'registered'
[21:37] fabricius yes!
[21:37] PenguinMan98 Yep. That's clear
[21:37] fabricius so now the permissions -> to what you can assign permissions? ...
[21:38] PenguinMan98 so this permissions set : http://screencast.com/t/gyhmdpJKVy4Q
[21:38] fabricius .. you can assign perms to:
[21:38] fabricius moment not so fast
[21:38] PenguinMan98 kk
[21:38] PenguinMan98 go ahead
[21:38] fabricius * to groups
[21:38] fabricius * to categories
[21:38] fabricius * to objects
[21:39] fabricius so now important:
[21:39] PenguinMan98 Yes.  I read a bit about this.  Permissions inherit down and override up
[21:40] fabricius object permissions override category permissions and they override group permissions
[21:40] fabricius that means
[21:40] fabricius a wiki page is an example of an object
[21:40] fabricius Group A has a perm on wikipages
[21:41] PenguinMan98 If I set an object to be visible by anonymous but then put the anonymous in a category that does not have permission to see the object, can they see it?
[21:41] fabricius Group B has a perm on a category whith which the page is categorised
[21:41] fabricius and Group C has a perm to the object wiki page
[21:42] fabricius to this wiki page Group A and B lose their rights, because object permissions applied
[21:42] fabricius and you would not find it by checking group permissions and category permissions
[21:43] PenguinMan98 interesting
[21:43] fabricius important to know
[21:43] PenguinMan98 yup
[21:43] fabricius so if a group has a correct perm in a higher level, you must dig in the deeper more specific level
[21:44] fabricius and thus I recommend NOT to start organising a website with objectpermissions
[21:44] fabricius now back to your admin panel
[21:44] PenguinMan98 ok
[21:45] fabricius group permissions have another additional name: "general permissions"
[21:45] fabricius above I was talking about the concept -> now the administration
[21:45] PenguinMan98 ok
[21:46] fabricius A) you want to start a Tiki ... Wiki and give read access to everybody, but write access to Registered
[21:46] fabricius so general permissions are enough
[21:47] fabricius Anonymous can read
[21:47] fabricius Registered get some extra permissions
[21:47] fabricius you are admin
[21:47] fabricius and a trusted friend can join the Admins group
[21:48] fabricius B) you want a few pages invisible for the public and as the roject grows, you need some pages for Admins only
[21:49] fabricius and further more, you need more differentpermission grades ... different groups have different perms in different topics
[21:49] fabricius what now?
[21:49] fabricius -> categories
[21:50] fabricius make a set of categories ... maybe all child of a category "permissions" or "access" or so ... as you use categories for different stuff aswell
[21:50] fabricius make one category "public", one "registered", one "editors", one "admin"
[21:51] PenguinMan98 ok.  Lets see if I can make a category
[21:51] fabricius you must activate the feature Categories in tiki-admin.php
[21:52] fabricius give me 5 minutes
[21:53] PenguinMan98 ok, I've enabled categories
[21:55] fabricius cool
[21:55] fabricius tiki-admin_categories.php?parentId=0
[21:56] PenguinMan98 I've created two categories: http://screencast.com/t/kcQ3mPwpZk
[21:56] fabricius mind, that you will use categories for structuring the site and for identifying objects aswell
[21:57] fabricius so make one category permissions
[21:57] PenguinMan98 So... create one category named 'permissions'?
[21:57] fabricius yes
[21:57] fabricius then one subcategory public and one subcategory registered
[21:58] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/N3xru0vbz
[21:59] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/Se9AIBJgTz0s
[21:59] fabricius perfect
[21:59] fabricius you see the yellow keys beside the category names?
[22:00] PenguinMan98 yes
[22:00] fabricius click on the key besides 'Public'
[22:01] fabricius then you see tabs
[22:01] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/TBV35txsu
[22:01] fabricius ok
[22:01] fabricius ignore 'quick prmissions' for now
[22:01] PenguinMan98 kk.  It's experimental anyway
[22:02] fabricius but 'select features' and 'select groups' you can use to choose which group and feature combination you want to alter the permissions for this categoiry at this moment
[22:02] PenguinMan98 yes
[22:03] fabricius default the first tab should be fine
[22:03] fabricius you see the little triangles left besides the features (in the first tab)?
[22:03] fabricius click on the one besides wiki
[22:03] PenguinMan98 k
[22:04] fabricius you will see a list of permissions and hopefully three groups (Anonymous, Registered, Admins) with tick boxes beneath
[22:05] PenguinMan98 yes
[22:05] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/py8b2pstGKe
[22:05] fabricius now make sure, that tiki_p_view is ticked for Anonymous
[22:05] PenguinMan98 note: between now and earlier, I turned off a bunch of the object permissions I'd set
[22:06] fabricius that is perfect
[22:06] fabricius we just need two wikipages without any objectpermissions and one registered user (not Admins) to demonstrate
[22:07] fabricius so tick additionally tiki_p_edit for Registered, but not for Anonymous
[22:07] PenguinMan98 ok, so you can see, it's already checked
[22:07] fabricius but not yet for Registered
[22:08] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/oQ9vsc5B
[22:08] fabricius By the way: for production you should not give much more permissions to Registeed than to Anonymous -> tiki_p_edit later should be Editors
[22:08] fabricius but now just demonstration anyway
[22:09] fabricius so now the same with the category 'Registered'
[22:09] fabricius but there obviously you do not tick the fields for Anonymous, as the should not have permission to view the restricted page
[22:10] fabricius they
[22:11] fabricius and: in tiki-admin_categories.php?parentId=0 you see that the yellow key turned green - the sign, that there are permissions applied, which wil override most of the general permissions
[22:11] fabricius confirm?
[22:12] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/cJiqzUWubcj
[22:12] PenguinMan98 yes, I saw the green key
[22:13] fabricius very cool
[22:13] fabricius so now you need two wiki pages without any objectpermission
[22:13] fabricius I suggest you create two pages
[22:13] fabricius "publicpage" and "registeredpage"
[22:14] fabricius write some joky stuff on each (some two different lines of text - simple)
[22:14] fabricius but before you save the first page tell me ... you have to categorise it
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[22:20] fabricius are you still there PenguinMan98 ?
[22:21] fabricius you can categorise wiki pages in edit mode
[22:21] fabricius on top of the editor you see tabs (3 now)
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[22:21] astroo- hello people
[22:21] fabricius second tab shows "categorise" or so
[22:21] fabricius hi astroo-
[22:22] fabricius there you simply click on the appropriate category tick box and either save or go back to the editors tab
[22:23] fabricius do that with both pages
[22:23] fabricius last but not least setup a testuser (not admin)
[22:23] fabricius then open your website in two browsers
[22:24] fabricius in one you log in the testuser
[22:24] fabricius in the other one you stay Anonymous
[22:24] astroo- hello
[22:24] fabricius try to access both wiki pages from both browsers and see the difference
[22:25] PenguinMan98 had to step away a moment
[22:26] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/yE9tc793oO6
[22:26] PenguinMan98 hello astroo-
[22:26] fabricius PenguinMan98: pages categoriesed?
[22:27] PenguinMan98 not yet. Let me try that now
[22:27] astroo- PenguinMan98  hello
[22:27] fabricius edit the page and switch tab
[22:28] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/nSyxMDhmzRAg
[22:30] fabricius perfect
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[22:41] PenguinMan98 ok, I've configured the registered page too
[22:42] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/jxp8N6v1IX
[22:46] fabricius cool
[22:48] fabricius so try to access both pages with Anonymous and with Registered
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[22:51] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/1trY9eVuha43
[22:52] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/n9KjW78lARn
[22:52] PenguinMan98 Then I log into my registered user
[22:53] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/A2nb8lSr
[22:53] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/sOIkN8LmjP5R
[22:53] PenguinMan98 perfect
[22:58] fabricius obviously the HomePage than should be applied to the category "Public" ... unapprove all object permissions on it and take away global permissions from the group Anonymous
[23:19] PenguinMan98 ok.  gimme a moment
[23:19] fabricius np
[23:19] fabricius doing stuff anyway
[23:22] PenguinMan98 I really appreciate your help
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[23:22] PenguinMan98 OK. I've set that up as you described.  I removed all global permissions on the wiki and added the homepage to the public category
[23:25] PenguinMan98 Now, as a registered user, I go into the homepage and make an edit.  It tells me it saved it as revision 7 but the change is not visible.  Why not?
[23:28] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/ChYdeR1rF
[23:28] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/YyqcO7q33
[23:34] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/nTabMQoOzmZ
[23:36] PenguinMan98 That's my main beef.
[23:38] fabricius moment
[23:39] PenguinMan98 kk
[23:39] fabricius checking
[23:40] fabricius hehe hhe
[23:40] fabricius I guess, I know what it is
[23:40] fabricius sure, what I told very first before we started
[23:40] fabricius group plugin  :-)
[23:40] fabricius and you edit the section which you see, when you are logged in
[23:40] fabricius lol
[23:41] fabricius wait a sec
[23:41] fabricius http://doc.tiki.org/PluginGroup
[23:41] fabricius please PenguinMan98 edit the whole page
[23:41] fabricius if you do not find the button:
[23:42] fabricius tiki-editpage.php?page=HomePage
[23:42] fabricius but the edit button (icon) is on the top-right of the page
[23:42] fabricius and another one under the wiki page
[23:43] fabricius then you see the whole content including the wiki plugins
[23:43] fabricius you are on the default HomePage and there you have two areas visible by different groups ... made with the group plugin
[23:44] fabricius when you edit something in between the wiki plugin tags for the registered group, Anonymous will never see it
[23:47] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/nnEBm9KHLBnr
[23:47] PenguinMan98 OK
[23:47] PenguinMan98 But why is the registered user able to edit wiki text for a group that he's not in?
[23:47] fabricius => when you use the group plugin, please consider, that in the source of the page still all content is isible - not to use for security relevant information
[23:48] PenguinMan98 So the solution here is to remove group specific text
[23:48] PenguinMan98 And let the categories do the work
[23:49] PenguinMan98 right?
[23:50] fabricius 1) because it is just a group plugin - the registered use right now has the edit right for this page
[23:50] fabricius 2) the regiustered user has more rights in the same area than the anonymous user - not the same for a different area
[23:50] fabricius 3) the permissions apply to the category - thus to the categorised object
[23:50] fabricius yupi ... group plugin is very useful, but you do not need it here at the moment
[23:51] fabricius you can add a welcome for the logged in user on the top or hints for different usegroups on the same page etc.
[23:52] fabricius another thing in this context:
[23:52] PenguinMan98 But it does mean that the registered user can see text intended only for the admin
[23:52] PenguinMan98 So I'll have to be careful where I use it
[23:53] fabricius yes - the group plugin is for information purposes, for guidance - NOT for security relevant content or info which has to be hidden reliably
[23:54] fabricius you can deside and configure, what happens when a user access a page where he has no permission to view
[23:54] PenguinMan98 yes yes
[23:54] PenguinMan98 oh?
[23:55] fabricius in a development environment it is vey useful, when you get an error message with the option to create the page
[23:55] PenguinMan98 Yes, I can see that
[23:55] fabricius in a production environment this is annoying for visitors and you can autoswitch to HomePage
[23:56] fabricius tiki-admin.php => general => navigation
[23:56] PenguinMan98 Or maybe just give an error and keep them on the page they're on
[23:57] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Inline editing: add support to Plugin TrackerList  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4538
[23:57] fabricius nope, you will go somewhere ... but can deside where ... develop - error and edit ... later production - Home or other defined url
[23:58] PenguinMan98 OK. I Can
[23:58] PenguinMan98 err,
[23:58] PenguinMan98 I can't find the admin -> general -> navigation
[23:59] fabricius no?
[23:59] fabricius tiki-admin.php - first icon -> there third tab