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Generic question: If TikiWiki is on version 10, why is all the documentation for version 4 ish?
Next more specific question, if I accidentally gave registered users rights to change permissions for the wiki, how do I revoke that privilege?
Bonus question: If I had a user try to register but never got the email because my system limitations and I want to manually approve his account, how can I do that? 		[07:01]
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PenguinMan98additionally, I made a registered user and did some edits to the wiki. Now the admin can see them but the registered and anon cannot. I assume this is some kind of 'approval' system but I can't seem to see where to 'approve' the changes [07:55]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03arildb r46092 10trunk/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [ROLLBACK][r46090][MOD] feature_wiki_paragraph_formatting_add_br has been removed to improve support for wysiwyg...
tikiwiki Rolled back due to concerns about side effects.
tikiwiki 03sylvieg r46093 10trunk/lib/userslib.php
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fabriciusHi PenguinMan98
r you still here? 		[12:18]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46094 10branches/11.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php
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PenguinMan98I'm here fabricius [16:10]
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PenguinMan98I made a registered user and did some edits to the wiki. Now the admin can see them but the registered and anon cannot. I assume this is some kind of 'approval' system but I can't seem to see where to 'approve' the changes
I made other changes as the Admin and the registered user still can't see them 		[16:18]
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lphuberdeauThat would be under Admin > Wiki > Flagged Revision if you enabled that [16:53]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46097 10trunk/ 10lib/core/Services/Tracker/Utilities.php 10db/tiki.sql 10lib/logs/logslib.php 10lib/trackers/trackerlib.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Improve logging of tracker structural updates (and making sure they apply through all paths, not just the service utilities path)
tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46098 03trunk/installer/schema/20130530_tracker_modification_log_tiki.sql
tikiwiki [ENH] Improve logging of tracker structural updates (and making sure they apply through all paths, not just the service utilities path) 		[16:54]
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tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46099 10trunk/lib/ 10prefslib.php 10core/Tiki/Command/ProfileExport/Preference.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Let preferences at the default value be exported as a profile might want to reset the value
tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46100 10trunk/lib/core/Tiki/Profile/Writer/Queue.php
tikiwiki [MOD] Include tracker changes in the recent change log for profile export
tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46101 10trunk/lib/core/Tiki/Profile/Writer.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Include temporary object references for preferences to preserve the timestamp at which they were included, and exclude them from the recent changes after being included 		[17:20]
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PenguinMan98 is now at work. I hope I didn't miss anything while I was away 		[17:22]
lphuberdeaulphuberdeau 10:53:10 AM
That would be under Admin > Wiki > Flagged Revision if you enabled that 		[17:25]
PenguinMan98flagged revision?
PenguinMan98 goes to check 		[17:27]
lphuberdeauor maybe it's called wiki approval [17:34]
PenguinMan98Think it would be worth my time to spend the $15 on the Tiki for Smarties book? [17:35]
lphuberdeausure [17:45]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46102 10trunk/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs)
tikiwiki [ENH] Include category modifications in the action log, profile export recent changes, and exclude element removals from the recent changes (not something profiles can do) 		[17:46]
lphuberdeauall the content is available online, but it's a handy reference [17:46]
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PenguinMan98I dunno. I've been to the website for that book and it seems to be horribly out of date
I dont' think the author would profit much from selling the book if his site had all the same data for free. That said, it is a wiki site so if it's not up to date, there's guilt to spread around
I don't know if I have it in me to start updating it
But maybe..
I'm still too much of a newb to tiki though
I never did find anything like 'flagged revision' or 'wiki approval'
My 'admin' -> doesn't have a 'wiki'
http://screencast.com/t/eceBE5ukTHN
You can see I'm on the wiki preferences page but I don't see any option with that name anywhere on any of the tabs
It's frustrating because this issue seems to be defeating the primary functionality of tiki's flagship module
You'd think anything that could do that would have BIG RED BUTTONS all over it
Which leads me to believe it's something ridiculously simple that I just don't understand
my permissions: http://screencast.com/t/SJ3d7LrIr7 		[19:54]
marclaportePenguinMan98: I am about to leave, can't check screencasts now, but you are having trouble configuring Flagged Revisons? [20:09]
PenguinMan98I'm having trouble with my anonymous and registered users not seeing changes made to the wiki
If that means a 'flagged revisions' issue, then yes 		[20:09]
marclaporteok, see http://demo.tiki.org/ to play with existing Tikis [20:10]
changi|backpolom [20:10]
marclaportetiki-objectpermissions.php
and tiki-admin.php?page=wiki are two important links for you 		[20:10]
PenguinMan98seeing as my screencasts were to my tiki-objectpermissions.php and tiki-admin.php pages, I think I've got that much covered.
I'll play with the demos though 		[20:12]
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tikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46106 10trunk/lib/core/Tiki/Profile/Writer/SearchFieldHelper.php
tikiwiki [FIX] Broken by prior refactoring 		[20:24]
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PenguinMan98bm marclaporte
wb*
wow, how did I mess that up so badly?
anyway,
Yes. I've been through my tiki-objectpermissions.php and my tiki-admin?page=wiki
I"m seeing some permissions on the demo that I don't have in my install. I thought I was running 10X 		[20:38]
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PenguinMan98But back the question at hand,
If I ask the wiki to list all pages, it only lists one. My homepage.
If I access this page from admin or access it from anonymous/registered, it seems to show two entirely different pages.
http://screencast.com/t/x0OjNSL5GMC
why is that? 		[20:44]
fabriciushi PenguinMan98
you had a qustion sometime this morning ...
is that solved?
I just popped back in now PenguinMan98
What is the problem with ths screencast from 20:44:59? it is supposed to be so
on the default HomePage the wikiplugin {GROUP()} is used
{GROUP(groups=Anonymous)}This content is visible for anonymous visitors{ELSE}This content is visible for logged in uses{GROUP}
users
when you start with "rights and roles" (permission management) PenguinMan98 you should avoid objectpermissions ... stay away from objectpermissions until you really know what you do. 		[20:51]
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New Forum Posts: Increase Wiki Title Weight in Search Results - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=47360 		[20:59]
fabriciusstart with general permissions for users and with category permissions for groups [20:59]
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PenguinMan98ummm.. ok
So, I'm looking around my admin interface for a 'permissions' that does not take me to 'objectpermissions.php' but I'm not finding it 		[21:06]
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Yep. Everything that seems even remotely permissions related takes me back to the objectpermissions.php [21:28]
fabriciushumm [21:28]
PenguinMan98So .. I'm sorry but I don't understand your instructions [21:28]
fabriciuslet me check - I think we talk two different stories
1 minute
(have been out for half an hour)
so
the file / adress tiki-objectpermissions.php is good ... we talk a different point no ... listen ...
in Tiki (like in many othe CMS systems) you have "users" and "groups", you have "objects" and "categories"
clear so far?
anyway I continue
in Tiki you cannot apply any permission directly to a user 		[21:28]
PenguinMan98correct [21:36]
fabriciusyou can apply a user to a group ... this is pretty much all for users in permission management [21:36]
PenguinMan98visitors are in the group 'anonymous' [21:36]
fabriciusyes! [21:37]
PenguinMan98people who sign up become 'registered' [21:37]
fabriciusyes! [21:37]
PenguinMan98Yep. That's clear [21:37]
fabriciusso now the permissions -> to what you can assign permissions? ... [21:37]
PenguinMan98so this permissions set : http://screencast.com/t/gyhmdpJKVy4Q [21:38]
fabricius.. you can assign perms to:
moment not so fast 		[21:38]
PenguinMan98kk
go ahead 		[21:38]
fabricius* to groups
* to categories
* to objects
so now important: 		[21:38]
PenguinMan98Yes. I read a bit about this. Permissions inherit down and override up [21:39]
fabriciusobject permissions override category permissions and they override group permissions
that means
a wiki page is an example of an object
Group A has a perm on wikipages 		[21:40]
PenguinMan98If I set an object to be visible by anonymous but then put the anonymous in a category that does not have permission to see the object, can they see it? [21:41]
fabriciusGroup B has a perm on a category whith which the page is categorised
and Group C has a perm to the object wiki page
to this wiki page Group A and B lose their rights, because object permissions applied
and you would not find it by checking group permissions and category permissions 		[21:41]
PenguinMan98interesting [21:43]
fabriciusimportant to know [21:43]
PenguinMan98yup [21:43]
fabriciusso if a group has a correct perm in a higher level, you must dig in the deeper more specific level
and thus I recommend NOT to start organising a website with objectpermissions
now back to your admin panel 		[21:43]
PenguinMan98ok [21:44]
fabriciusgroup permissions have another additional name: "general permissions"
above I was talking about the concept -> now the administration 		[21:45]
PenguinMan98ok [21:45]
fabriciusA) you want to start a Tiki ... Wiki and give read access to everybody, but write access to Registered
so general permissions are enough
Anonymous can read
Registered get some extra permissions
you are admin
and a trusted friend can join the Admins group
B) you want a few pages invisible for the public and as the roject grows, you need some pages for Admins only
and further more, you need more differentpermission grades ... different groups have different perms in different topics
what now?
-> categories
make a set of categories ... maybe all child of a category "permissions" or "access" or so ... as you use categories for different stuff aswell
make one category "public", one "registered", one "editors", one "admin" 		[21:46]
PenguinMan98ok. Lets see if I can make a category [21:51]
fabriciusyou must activate the feature Categories in tiki-admin.php
give me 5 minutes 		[21:51]
PenguinMan98ok, I've enabled categories [21:53]
fabriciuscool
tiki-admin_categories.php?parentId=0 		[21:55]
PenguinMan98I've created two categories: http://screencast.com/t/kcQ3mPwpZk [21:56]
fabriciusmind, that you will use categories for structuring the site and for identifying objects aswell
so make one category permissions 		[21:56]
PenguinMan98So... create one category named 'permissions'? [21:57]
fabriciusyes
then one subcategory public and one subcategory registered 		[21:57]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/N3xru0vbz
http://screencast.com/t/Se9AIBJgTz0s 		[21:58]
fabriciusperfect
you see the yellow keys beside the category names? 		[21:59]
PenguinMan98yes [22:00]
fabriciusclick on the key besides 'Public'
then you see tabs 		[22:00]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/TBV35txsu [22:01]
fabriciusok
ignore 'quick prmissions' for now 		[22:01]
PenguinMan98kk. It's experimental anyway [22:01]
fabriciusbut 'select features' and 'select groups' you can use to choose which group and feature combination you want to alter the permissions for this categoiry at this moment [22:02]
PenguinMan98yes [22:02]
fabriciusdefault the first tab should be fine
you see the little triangles left besides the features (in the first tab)?
click on the one besides wiki 		[22:03]
PenguinMan98k [22:03]
fabriciusyou will see a list of permissions and hopefully three groups (Anonymous, Registered, Admins) with tick boxes beneath [22:04]
PenguinMan98yes
http://screencast.com/t/py8b2pstGKe 		[22:05]
fabriciusnow make sure, that tiki_p_view is ticked for Anonymous [22:05]
PenguinMan98note: between now and earlier, I turned off a bunch of the object permissions I'd set [22:05]
fabriciusthat is perfect
we just need two wikipages without any objectpermissions and one registered user (not Admins) to demonstrate
so tick additionally tiki_p_edit for Registered, but not for Anonymous 		[22:06]
PenguinMan98ok, so you can see, it's already checked [22:07]
fabriciusbut not yet for Registered [22:07]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/oQ9vsc5B [22:08]
fabriciusBy the way: for production you should not give much more permissions to Registeed than to Anonymous -> tiki_p_edit later should be Editors
but now just demonstration anyway
so now the same with the category 'Registered'
but there obviously you do not tick the fields for Anonymous, as the should not have permission to view the restricted page
they
and: in tiki-admin_categories.php?parentId=0 you see that the yellow key turned green - the sign, that there are permissions applied, which wil override most of the general permissions
confirm? 		[22:08]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/cJiqzUWubcj
yes, I saw the green key 		[22:12]
fabriciusvery cool
so now you need two wiki pages without any objectpermission
I suggest you create two pages
"publicpage" and "registeredpage"
write some joky stuff on each (some two different lines of text - simple)
but before you save the first page tell me ... you have to categorise it 		[22:13]
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fabriciusare you still there PenguinMan98 ?
you can categorise wiki pages in edit mode
on top of the editor you see tabs (3 now) 		[22:20]
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hello people 		[22:21]
fabriciussecond tab shows "categorise" or so
hi astroo-
there you simply click on the appropriate category tick box and either save or go back to the editors tab
do that with both pages
last but not least setup a testuser (not admin)
then open your website in two browsers
in one you log in the testuser
in the other one you stay Anonymous 		[22:21]
astroo-hello [22:24]
fabriciustry to access both wiki pages from both browsers and see the difference [22:24]
PenguinMan98had to step away a moment
http://screencast.com/t/yE9tc793oO6
hello astroo- 		[22:25]
fabriciusPenguinMan98: pages categoriesed? [22:26]
PenguinMan98not yet. Let me try that now [22:27]
astroo-PenguinMan98 hello [22:27]
fabriciusedit the page and switch tab [22:27]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/nSyxMDhmzRAg [22:28]
fabriciusperfect [22:30]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: U&S / S&R for the whole database instead of per table per column - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=47362 [22:39]
PenguinMan98ok, I've configured the registered page too
http://screencast.com/t/jxp8N6v1IX 		[22:41]
fabriciuscool
so try to access both pages with Anonymous and with Registered 		[22:46]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Wishlist/bug/issue tracker on dev.tiki.org: please no one change anything without my approval until futher notice - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=47363 [22:50]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/1trY9eVuha43
http://screencast.com/t/n9KjW78lARn
Then I log into my registered user
http://screencast.com/t/A2nb8lSr
http://screencast.com/t/sOIkN8LmjP5R
perfect 		[22:51]
fabriciusobviously the HomePage than should be applied to the category "Public" ... unapprove all object permissions on it and take away global permissions from the group Anonymous [22:58]
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PenguinMan98ok. gimme a moment [23:19]
fabriciusnp
doing stuff anyway 		[23:19]
PenguinMan98I really appreciate your help [23:22]
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PenguinMan98OK. I've set that up as you described. I removed all global permissions on the wiki and added the homepage to the public category
Now, as a registered user, I go into the homepage and make an edit. It tells me it saved it as revision 7 but the change is not visible. Why not?
http://screencast.com/t/ChYdeR1rF
http://screencast.com/t/YyqcO7q33 		[23:22]
http://screencast.com/t/nTabMQoOzmZ
That's my main beef. 		[23:34]
fabriciusmoment [23:38]
PenguinMan98kk [23:39]
fabriciuschecking
hehe hhe
I guess, I know what it is
sure, what I told very first before we started
group plugin :-)
and you edit the section which you see, when you are logged in
lol
wait a sec
http://doc.tiki.org/PluginGroup
please PenguinMan98 edit the whole page
if you do not find the button:
tiki-editpage.php?page=HomePage
but the edit button (icon) is on the top-right of the page
and another one under the wiki page
then you see the whole content including the wiki plugins
you are on the default HomePage and there you have two areas visible by different groups ... made with the group plugin
when you edit something in between the wiki plugin tags for the registered group, Anonymous will never see it 		[23:39]
PenguinMan98http://screencast.com/t/nnEBm9KHLBnr
OK
But why is the registered user able to edit wiki text for a group that he's not in? 		[23:47]
fabricius=> when you use the group plugin, please consider, that in the source of the page still all content is isible - not to use for security relevant information [23:47]
PenguinMan98So the solution here is to remove group specific text
And let the categories do the work
right? 		[23:48]
fabricius1) because it is just a group plugin - the registered use right now has the edit right for this page
2) the regiustered user has more rights in the same area than the anonymous user - not the same for a different area
3) the permissions apply to the category - thus to the categorised object
yupi ... group plugin is very useful, but you do not need it here at the moment
you can add a welcome for the logged in user on the top or hints for different usegroups on the same page etc.
another thing in this context: 		[23:50]
PenguinMan98But it does mean that the registered user can see text intended only for the admin
So I'll have to be careful where I use it 		[23:52]
fabriciusyes - the group plugin is for information purposes, for guidance - NOT for security relevant content or info which has to be hidden reliably
you can deside and configure, what happens when a user access a page where he has no permission to view 		[23:53]
PenguinMan98yes yes
oh? 		[23:54]
fabriciusin a development environment it is vey useful, when you get an error message with the option to create the page [23:55]
PenguinMan98Yes, I can see that [23:55]
fabriciusin a production environment this is annoying for visitors and you can autoswitch to HomePage
tiki-admin.php => general => navigation 		[23:55]
PenguinMan98Or maybe just give an error and keep them on the page they're on [23:56]
Tiki|botRecent Bug: - Inline editing: add support to Plugin TrackerList - http://dev.tiki.org/item4538 [23:57]
fabriciusnope, you will go somewhere ... but can deside where ... develop - error and edit ... later production - Home or other defined url [23:57]
PenguinMan98OK. I Can
err,
I can't find the admin -> general -> navigation 		[23:58]
fabriciusno?
tiki-admin.php - first icon -> there third tab 		[23:59]
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