[00:00] PenguinMan98 ah, got it
[00:00] PenguinMan98 ok
[00:01] fabricius fin
[00:01] fabricius fine
[00:02] fabricius so you have some good basics now, not only for Tiki ... some basic idea of user and rights management with categories
[00:03] fabricius good to have such basic info when you start - saves time when you do not need to reconfigure so much before launch or at least you know how and where
[00:03] fabricius and good to categorise the content from start
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[00:05] PenguinMan98 Yes. This has been an immense help
[00:05] PenguinMan98 I just hope I don't have to go through this much training for each different module
[00:05] PenguinMan98 hehe
[00:06] fabricius1 on the other hand, you might play thoughful and maybe you can use the playground for further development, if you do not missconfigure too havily
[00:06] fabricius1 PenguinMan98: in my point of view, Tiki is very consistent compared to other systems
[00:07] fabricius1 due to the all-in-one model, every where things work similar
[00:07] fabricius1 OK, very special poweful features like Trackers need decent learning (and help of the community ;-) )
[00:08] fabricius1 but if you want to categorise a wikipage, an article or a forum ... the principles are the same all over the place
[00:09] fabricius1 and where you applied the category permissions for the wikipages, you aplly also the category permissions for all features
[00:13] PenguinMan98 very very cool
[00:14] PenguinMan98 does the groups plugin work in the fourms/articles?
[00:14] fabricius PenguinMan98: once you know one feature or functionality, the next one is easier to learn ... and soon you start to be able to help othes or to do documentation or translation ... start from the right place and go forward step by step ... the most difficult is not the software, but it is the general idea how a CMS in general, a website in general should be structured ... Tiki is quite easy, but VERY VERY big
[00:14] PenguinMan98 or just the wiki pages?
[00:15] fabricius mainly all wiki plugins work everywhere, where wikisyntax is working, so yes (well, in articles it makes no sense and in forums mayb in announcements
[00:15] fabricius so in theory it should even work in messages, but I am not sure
[00:15] PenguinMan98 right right.
[00:16] PenguinMan98 Do you have time to field another question"
[00:16] PenguinMan98 ?
[00:16] fabricius allways specific things can have specific concept related fallbacks ...
[00:16] fabricius Ok, another question
[00:17] PenguinMan98 I have a homebrew php ajax chat program.  I want to integrate this into the tikiwiki.  At first, only as far as logging into one logs you into both but eventually I do want to be able to invoke text from the wiki in the chat.
[00:18] fabricius btw: for forums and messages you'd like the quote plugin and for articles the fancy table ... everywhere the images or mediaplayer etc.
[00:18] PenguinMan98 Right now though, I just need to know if there is a built in way to handle the integrated login
[00:18] fabricius hmmmm
[00:19] fabricius so really integrate instead of connect
[00:19] fabricius connect could be via http login
[00:19] PenguinMan98 I want to allow guests to see the chat without forcing them to log in
[00:20] fabricius here are the possible configs: tiki-admin.php?page=login
[00:20] fabricius so anonymous see chat, but reggies can participate?
[00:22] PenguinMan98 Guests can create a temporary chat name and participate but they don't get advanced features
[00:24] PenguinMan98 like muting/highlighting/character profiles, etc
[00:32] fabricius hmm
[00:33] PenguinMan98 the website is www.mlpnwrp.org.  It runs now with a PHPBB
[00:33] PenguinMan98 I'm replacing the PHPBB with the wiki
[00:34] fabricius ok
[00:35] fabricius you have a "long" message "you ar not logged in"
[00:35] fabricius nearly clicked back
[00:35] fabricius but anyway
[00:36] fabricius you want to keep the guest login, but make the Tiki user a chat user
[00:36] PenguinMan98 Yeah. I need to fix that
[00:36] fabricius ??
[00:36] PenguinMan98 Pretty much
[00:36] PenguinMan98 If I log in in the chat, I want to log them into the tiki
[00:36] fabricius does the chat software use a mysql database?
[00:36] PenguinMan98 yes
[00:36] PenguinMan98 It integrates right now with the PHPBB
[00:37] PenguinMan98 When I log into the chat, it logs them into the PHPBB
[00:37] fabricius hmmm sounds like to make the chat a custom feature for the Tiki
[00:37] fabricius we have something similar but the other way round for bigbluebutton
[00:37] PenguinMan98 I was thinking that sounded like a lot more work than just building an authentication script that logs them into the tiki
[00:37] fabricius BBB is a classroom software
[00:38] PenguinMan98 ok
[00:38] fabricius when you login into Tiki, you can login to the BBB session by just pushing a button and you are then moderator instead of guest
[00:39] fabricius similar would be: login to Tiki and push "join chat"
[00:39] fabricius see here: http://tiki.org/live
[00:40] fabricius you could review the code and see how this integration is made from Tiki
[00:40] fabricius and you could share the usetable of the Tiki database (I think that should work)
[00:40] fabricius usertable
[00:41] fabricius maybe you just add the chat mysql tables to the Tiki database, which should not be affected on upgrades - must be tested, but should work afaik
[00:42] fabricius then you share the database and the uses table
[00:42] fabricius something like that
[00:42] fabricius hummm BBB is integrated less tight
[00:43] fabricius you should start to review the code and later ask marclaporte, who made the BBB integration for further questions
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[00:43] PenguinMan98 Heh
[00:43] fabricius hi marclaporte
[00:43] PenguinMan98 Speak his name and here he is
[00:43] marclaporte polom
[00:43] fabricius just mentioned your name
[00:43] fabricius wolod
[00:44] fabricius wuhhh you just have a huge bunch of work with the bugtracker-wishlist
[00:44] PenguinMan98 See, then we've forced the players to register with the wiki to view the chat. I don't want that
[00:44] astroo- hello
[00:45] PenguinMan98 I just need a script that can send post variables to a routine inside TIKI that will log the user in and return an array or object containing that users permissions level and id#
[00:45] PenguinMan98 PHPBB comes with that already written
[00:45] PenguinMan98 It was very easy to write the integration script
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[00:52] fabricius hummm
[00:53] fabricius you mean, that Tiki uses the user table of the chat AND does a real single sign on?
[00:54] fabricius look, we have alright Intertiki to share the user management of one master Tiki between this one and a number of clients/slaves
[00:54] fabricius uses xmlrpc
[00:54] fabricius but not a real single sign on
[00:55] fabricius afaik still not sign in across subdomains and sessions
[00:55] fabricius need to sign in individually per page
[00:56] fabricius marclaporte, did I read something about some single sign on according Intertiki across domains/subdomains/sessions?
[00:56] fabricius I mean, is there something further developed yet?
[00:58] PenguinMan98 I don't need Tiki to use a different user table.  It can keep its own table. I just want to send it a username and password, have it verify the login, and return the id and permissions info
[01:02] fabricius hmmm you surely realise, that this is not my field of special experience ... but there are two different aspects: login against Tiki (maybe with an added optional authentication type) and being logged in in Tiki and chat the same time
[01:03] fabricius with only one action
[01:03] fabricius (did I say this right in English?)
[01:04] PenguinMan98 I don't see it that way.  They are either logged in, or they aren't.
[01:06] PenguinMan98 I want to send a username/password to Tiki and have it return an id from its internal user table.  If it does return one, then I have a valid login. If it doesn't then it's a bad un/pw combination
[01:09] PenguinMan98 If I can get that much, I can work with it.
[01:10] PenguinMan98 But I'd eventually want a way to ask Tiki what that users' permissions level is.  Though if I know the id, I'm sure I can query that from the mysql
[01:11] PenguinMan98 Otherwise I'll have to spend the time and work out how to integrate the chat into a page inside the wiki and that sounds like a headache
[01:40] PenguinMan98 bbl
[01:56] luciash polom
[01:57] luciash any idea if there is a way to avoid realname use in tracker user selector field when the feature is on ?
[01:58] astroo- ola
[01:58] astroo- hello
[01:59] luciash mainly need this for pretty templates to compose links to Foo?tr_user={$f_XX} where XX is the user selector field id
[01:59] luciash hi astroo-
[02:00] luciash obviously the link does not work when user has a real name set in preferences
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[02:51] luciash my questions are always unanswerable :-p
[03:08] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - test  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4539
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[03:54] astroo- bye people
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[08:37] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: A new tool to draw maps more integrated in the page and fully customizable... - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=47379
[09:19] * PenguinMan98 is very interested in this map tool
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[09:24] PenguinMan98 wb fabricius
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[09:31] PenguinMan98 wow. I need to get to bed
[09:32] PenguinMan98 anybody know really quick, If I can't assign permissions to individual users, can I assign users into defined categories?
[09:34] PenguinMan98 Nooo.... I see now.  Objects are grouped by 'category' but users are grouped by 'groups'
[09:34] PenguinMan98 hmmmm...
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[10:00] PenguinMan98 damn, I'm gonna need to start drawing diagrams to get this damn permission stuff right
[10:00] PenguinMan98 adios for the night dudes
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[17:44] PenguinMan98 hehe.
[17:44] PenguinMan98 I'm psyched because last night I totally slam dunked the permissions system
[17:44] PenguinMan98 I'll have to write up a doc on how I did it and post it up on doc.tiki
[17:46] PenguinMan98 The documentation there and on tiki for smarties is pretty good, but I think I can explain it more clearly with better examples.  Many thanks go to fabricius for helping me get my categories set up
[17:46] PenguinMan98 oh hey rick99, no disrespect intended of course
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[17:54] PenguinMan98 But hey, as long as you're here, is your tiki for smarties open to be updated by newbies like myself who are finding difficulty understanding the current docs?
[17:55] PenguinMan98 Just because we eat our own dog food doesn't mean we can't sweeten it up a bit for outsiders
[17:56] lphuberdeau feel free to improve doc.tiki.org as much as you want
[18:03] xavi +1
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[18:04] xavi lphuberdeau: commit coming. I hope I didn't forget anything (it works for me)
[18:05] ricks99 go for it. tiki for smarites is CC... please improve as you can
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[19:03] PenguinMan98 @ ricks99  http://screencast.com/t/4goCU98102rP
[19:03] PenguinMan98 Using Chrome in Win 8
[19:07] PenguinMan98 Using FF: http://screencast.com/t/CCDLlZpqIN
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[20:24] ricks99 PenguinMan98: sorry for issues. i'll take a look. in meantime use http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Contact+Us and I'll create account for you
[20:28] ricks99 bbl
[21:03] changi|back polom
[21:03] PenguinMan98 wolod
[21:06] PenguinMan98 form submitted ricks99|away
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[22:17] astroo- hello people
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[22:58] PenguinMan98 hey astroo-
[22:59] astroo- hello
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