#tikiwiki 2013-06-01,Sat

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fabricius	hio how is everybody?	[01:16]
astroo-	hello well and you?	[01:19]
fabricius	well enough, thx	[01:27]
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redrum	Hi everyone. I'm ready to murder my computer after installing tiki wiki cms (on justhost.com). I can't login because "cookies aren't enabled" even though they are. Same problem on different browsers, although 10% of the time I sort of get a login with firefox for a page or two, and then a boot	[04:28]
PenguinMan98	hmmm. I'm a newbie too so I'm not sure	[04:29]
fabricius	never heard about that problem ... and not being a newbie	[04:29]
redrum	what surprises me is I cant find any solutions for this, although I did find an old bug or two, from years ago I cant be the only person experiencing this	[04:29]
fabricius	how did you install on justhost.com and which Tiki version?	[04:30]
PenguinMan98	What web stack are you using? That means which operating system / server / PHP / MySQL	[04:30]
redrum	I think I found the problem....there is a ~ in my url https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=39641 I used simplescripts to install thanks for the help guys, I think I found what I was looking for	[04:34]
PenguinMan98	Well, glad we could help! lol	[04:36]
fabricius	lol it happens frequently to me I look for a solution for hours	[04:37]
PenguinMan98	I bet. I'm just getting started around here	[04:38]
fabricius	then I think about how to ask the guys come here, ask my question, begging for help .... ... 2 minutes later, often before any answer, I just say "ahhhhhhhh" ... solved the right question is often the last step to the right solution	[04:38]
PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 nods I think the permission system defeated me again	[04:40]
fabricius	oh what today?	[04:40]
PenguinMan98	I started setting up the forums	[04:41]
fabricius	I try to install a webserver on my android right now ah forums	[04:41]
PenguinMan98	But my forum administrator group doesn't get the option to administer them here are my categories: http://screencast.com/t/MwZkIY1DgLW So, I'll start with the public category http://screencast.com/t/k6Glv7lblzkC	[04:41]
fabricius	did you set the moderator group in forum admin?	[04:46]
PenguinMan98	erm... http://screencast.com/t/XQOcAaoZjb that?	[04:47]
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PenguinMan98	wb astroo-	[04:51]
astroo-	thanks	[04:54]
fabricius	PenguinMan98: yupi	[04:56]
PenguinMan98	So I just put in the name of the administrative group?	[04:56]
fabricius	I'd try	[04:56]
PenguinMan98	http://screencast.com/t/AqPQrqPCg	[04:57]
fabricius	I always use the forums as admin so far ... sometimes I test as user ... not using communityy forums so much	[04:57]
PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 nods	[04:57]
fabricius	Forum Admins should do it ... maybe they need additional rights	[04:58]
PenguinMan98	hmmm.... Time for a little trial and error then	[04:58]
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PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 nods to MrDice	[05:03]
fabricius	yeah ... still on my aandroid anyway .. good luck and c ya in a few minutes ;-)	[05:03]
PenguinMan98	kk	[05:03]
MrDice	hi	[05:07]
fabricius	hi	[05:07]
MrDice	finally, i made it.	[05:07]
astroo-	hello	[05:09]
MrDice	recently i started using tikiwiki to replace our mediawiki at work. while migrating the data over from the mediawiki into the tikiwik i ran into some problems i cannot handle on my own.	[05:09]
fabricius	oops did you read the docs?	[05:11]
MrDice	yeah	[05:11]
fabricius	hmm I never migrated	[05:12]
MrDice	i created a xml dump out of the mediawiki which loads fine in any webbrowser. but as soon as i import it into the tiki i throws the error "invalid mime type".	[05:13]
fabricius	ahh mime type	[05:14]
MrDice	i searched for it, but i couldn't find any helpful information. :(	[05:14]
fabricius	there was something recently hummm maybe Frank ... refizul here in chat I do not exactly remember what was the story with mime types	[05:15]
MrDice	yeah, in some forum i read about it, but i couldn't link it to my problem.	[05:15]
fabricius	but long discussion and I think an easy solution there was some problem with docx	[05:16]
MrDice	any hint would help.	[05:16]
fabricius	finally there was a hook to tell tiki about more mime types I do not remember ... I think Frank knows maybe if you check the forum for mime type / docx threat and review who answered	[05:17]
MrDice	cool. then i will wait for him.	[05:18]
fabricius	or you write in the foirum and describe your problem or in the devlist	[05:18]
PenguinMan98	double check the XML format too. Make sure that first tag has the right mime type set in it	[05:18]
fabricius	or userlist	[05:18]
MrDice	i registered, but i'm waiting for a approval since a couple of days. :(	[05:19]
fabricius	ehh cannot be I approve .. whats your usename in tiki?	[05:19]
MrDice	aah, that's might be the problem. i was already wondering, because i couldn't find any mime type at all (in the xml file). Mr.Dice	[05:20]
fabricius	username ah checking	[05:20]
MrDice	thx	[05:21]
PenguinMan98	hmm... <?xml version="1.0"?> I guess that's all it requires	[05:21]
MrDice	i don't have the data here (at home). so i have to check on monday.	[05:22]
fabricius	you are German?	[05:22]
MrDice	yes	[05:22]
fabricius	sorry for the delay, I must have overseen you somehow I am German aswell	[05:22]
MrDice	no worries!	[05:23]
fabricius	we have a German Language user group	[05:23]
MrDice	yeah, i also registered on de.tiki.org, but it seemed like no one is active there?!	[05:23]
fabricius	want to throw out a mail to all the new members ... and hope to get a Tiki Fest ... FROSCON will maybe the next spot to meet up	[05:24]
MrDice	may i ask you a question regarding IRC? do i always have to put the '/msg #tikiwiki' in front?	[05:24]
fabricius	de.tiki.org is not massively active, but still a good site ... much activity is been moving to the tiki.org ... kind of the heard of the community nope	[05:24]
MrDice	that's why i showed up here. ;-)	[05:25]
fabricius	once you /join #tikiwiki you are in the room and then you do not need it any more your command is only to msg from one to anothe room another	[05:25]
MrDice	hmh, i always tells me 'unknown command'!?!	[05:26]
fabricius	hehehe lool test hehe just leave it away btw you should have received your validation mail	[05:26]
PenguinMan98	header("Content-Type: application/xml;charset=UTF-8") Put that line in your exporter	[05:28]
MrDice	that's what i did. maybe it is the client? regarding irc.	[05:28]
PenguinMan98	PenguinMan98 shrugs ah	[05:29]
MrDice	thank you for the line. i will try it on monday. yeah. thank you for the approval!	[05:30]
PenguinMan98	no sweat	[05:31]
MrDice	ah now it made click i thought i join by using '/join #tikiwiki'!?!	[05:31]
astroo-	bye people	[05:32]
MrDice	bye	[05:32]
astroo-	bye	[05:32]
PenguinMan98	later astroo-	[05:34]
MrDice	@fabricius where are you coming from?	[05:34]
astroo-	later	[05:34]
PenguinMan98	I'm still not getting this to work	[05:36]
fabricius	@MrDice W�rzburg	[05:37]
PenguinMan98	I want this to be a public forum so I only want the public category checked right? http://screencast.com/t/rLRPy4Ifch9P	[05:38]
fabricius	PenguinMan98: public forum - public category, yes	[05:39]
PenguinMan98	ok so the public forum has the public category	[05:39]
fabricius	PenguinMan98: in the public category set the category permissions for the actual groups ... which right for which group in this category yes this stack of categories you only use for permissions ... so kind of the permission type of the content ...	[05:39]
PenguinMan98	OK. here are my public category permissions http://screencast.com/t/Zhp4rjUD You can see my groups. The forum admin is the only one with permission to administrate the forum Registered users can do everything else. Anons can only read global permissions are blank http://screencast.com/t/QTJV9F2kDTRr	[05:40]
fabricius	seems to be right enough to work	[05:43]
PenguinMan98	That's what I thought	[05:44]
fabricius	you are aware, that including groups to each other has effects?	[05:44]
PenguinMan98	what do you mean?	[05:44]
fabricius	look at your screencast ... several groups get all their permissions by Registered	[05:45]
PenguinMan98	yes Because they are all subsets of the registered permission set	[05:45]
fabricius	if you demote Registered and take one permission, this permission is same time take from all the other groups subsets, yes	[05:46]
PenguinMan98	So here's my user groups: http://screencast.com/t/tZ29Jv5qbp5W	[05:47]
fabricius	it is not a bad way, but you need to know what you do ... rights and roles / user and permission management is a hard road to go ... needs some feeling ... I think, it is quite good that you start here and set some foundation	[05:47]
PenguinMan98	You can see that 'Generic User' has been set to have the registered permission set, the forum admin permission set and the wiki editor permission set	[05:48]
fabricius	as far as I see, you did test with lots of permissions for Registered I would avoid to give Registered permissions at all	[05:49]
PenguinMan98	I've decided registered have forum access but not wiki	[05:49]
fabricius	maybe applying for a newsletter or see pages of a category Registered ah	[05:49]
PenguinMan98	It requires the wiki editor group to get permission to edit the wiki This is my groups heiarchy: http://screencast.com/t/IzLkznMo you can see that wiki editors and canon players are not necessarily also guide staff	[05:50]
fabricius	in case you did not give extra perms to Registered, but to an extra group, you could easily demote spammers or bad guys	[05:51]
PenguinMan98	But the forum admin and wiki admin are guide staff I can create a group for spammers that has near no permission and just assign the spammers to it	[05:51]
fabricius	ah you did think about it very carefully	[05:52]
PenguinMan98	^^	[05:52]
fabricius	ah no, because you cannot get them out of registered we had this problem in tiki.org you'd need to ban them, if you do not want to delete (like for a temporary warning or so)	[05:53]
PenguinMan98	interesting So I'd need to set up a basic editor group then and then set the program to grant that role by default when an account is created	[05:53]
fabricius	I mean in the database you could take them out, but you want to admin the system in the cms and not in mysql	[05:54]
PenguinMan98	Otherwise I'd have to add that myself for every new user which would suck	[05:54]
fabricius	you got it autoassign to a second level group and be able to demote then Registered is just a container with no permissions in itself	[05:54]
PenguinMan98	I think my problem is that I've given this user both the forum admin permission and the wiki editor permission. I think the wiki editor permission is overriding their forum admin access Let me try removing it	[05:55]
fabricius	should not but ok	[05:56]
PenguinMan98	shouldn't need it anyway. all guides can edit the wiki	[05:56]
fabricius	ah one thing I might not have mentioned clearly enough yesterday: there are certain few permissions, which need to be set in global permissions, for that certain category permissions can be in effect	[05:58]
PenguinMan98	oh?	[05:59]
fabricius	I do not exactly remember ... only tiny few some general altering permissions so let me think about ... which problem is actually left now on your site (according the forums issue)? the group "Forum Admins" cannot admin the forum?	[05:59]
PenguinMan98	Nobody can see the forums. At all Except my admin	[06:05]
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PenguinMan98	I'm looking at tiki for smarties and there are a lot of forum settings even my admin account can't see I'm wondering if this would be a good time to press 'reset to default' http://screencast.com/t/vwJ66sRv2 couldn't really hurt I suppose PenguinMan98 clicks it. The arrow turns around the other way. It now says 'restore current value' whatever that means the feature is now deactivated and the checkbox to activate it is greyed out	[06:08]
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fabricius	ouch - fell asleep sorry, must fall to bed	[06:41]
PenguinMan98	lol, no worries go sleep Thanks again for the help	[06:42]
fabricius	but you must have a silly simple thing which holds you from succeding a tiny bit normally that should work	[06:42]
PenguinMan98	I know. stupid thing... hehe	[06:43]
fabricius	objectpermission? you must have hidden it from yourself somehow	[06:43]
PenguinMan98	yeah That's what I think moar trial and error!	[06:45]
MrDice	good luck! life is all about trial and error. ;-)	[06:48]
PenguinMan98	Yeah. I goofed and changed my object permissions first not knowing what I was doing Then fabricius taught me all about the wonders of categories But now I don't know how to reset my object permissions to what they started as So I just cleared them all	[06:49]
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MrDice	bye	[07:36]
PenguinMan98	nn!	[07:36]
luciash	hi PenguinMan98: you already know when you want to assign permissions to only specific user you need to enable "Create group for every user", right ?	[07:43]
PenguinMan98	I didn't know that option was available, no. But I don't think that sounds like what I want	[07:45]
luciash	ok, i thought the other day you asked about it or something	[07:45]
PenguinMan98	I got it to work by enabling the anon user to read the wiki/forum in the object permissions. At that point, all the other permissions start working	[07:45]
luciash	you asked: "09:32 < PenguinMan98> anybody know really quick, If I can't assign permissions to individual users, can I assign users into defined categories? "	[07:47]
PenguinMan98	Ah yes. But I didn't know about 'groups' at that point I was able to use groups to solve my issue, thanks	[07:47]
luciash	yup yup fine	[07:48]
PenguinMan98	It's a really clever system It just has a quirk or two	[07:49]
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Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03arildb r46128 10branches/11.x/templates/admin/include_comments.tpl tikiwiki [FIX] Add inline comment option (again) tikiwiki First attempt was wiped after an SVN problem	[18:42]
wood1	hello everyone. I have a question regarding the random_image module image scaling. on my site www.darhhh.com, the images don't scale and overflow their box in the left and right columns. I'm sure i've just missed some setting to scale somewhere , but can't figure out where, or find anyone with google who's had the same issue. can anyone point me in the right direction? thanks	[18:47]
Tiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you! Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you!	[18:47]
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arildb	wood1: still there?	[19:35]
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wood_	arlldb yes	[19:38]
arildb	which Tiki version are you running?	[19:38]
wood_	10.2 its been a problel for a while tho since 8.2. i'm just getting around to seeking help! if i disappear again, its because tanzanian internet is rubbish	[19:39]
arildb	There is no setting afaik. However, I may have a fix for you. Do you have access to the filesystem, and can edit files?	[19:40]
wood_	that would be great! i tried some css, but no luck yes i can edit files	[19:40]
arildb	Open the file: <tiki-root>/styles/layout/design.css In that file, search for: #random_image Add the overflow rule So, it looks like... #random_image { text-align: center; overflow: hidden; margin: 1em auto; }	[19:42]
wood_	i don't have a line for #random_image. shall i add it?	[19:43]
arildb	hm-m you are on a different version, than I checked...let me check 10	[19:44]
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wood_	ah, #random_css is defined in layout.css for me	[19:45]
arildb	yes, you are right...not there ...ah..ok	[19:45]
wood_	ok, have added the overflow line. does this mean that the "margin: 1em auto" isn't actually working as shouldn't auto scale the image?	[19:46]
arildb	margin...not sure any better?	[19:48]
wood_	nope :(	[19:48]
arildb	try to clear the cache, too	[19:48]
wood_	oddley i can't see those sytles in firebug - just the text-allign center	[19:51]
arildb	I am also watching you site + firebug, and the update is still not loading.	[19:52]
wood_	i did shift reload - is that enough to clear cache	[19:52]
arildb	No, to clear theserver cache you must select the "command". See the admin menu	[19:53]
wood_	the margin style was there already, so its not just the recent edit thats not visible	[19:53]
arildb	command: tiki-admin_system.php?do=all	[19:54]
wood_	done	[19:56]
arildb	better? still overflowing, it seems and the rule is not yet included	[19:57]
wood_	yes. firefox gives the correct line number for #random~-image in layout.css firebig	[19:58]
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arildb	the rule is not loading. Are you sure you updated and saved layout.css?	[20:00]
wood_	yes, sure its saved, but the margin rule was already present and that isn't loaded either.	[20:02]
arildb	strange	[20:03]
wood_	agreed wood_ is glad its not just him who's confused :)	[20:03]
arildb	In firebug, you can manually type in the css rules. I typed in the "overflow" rule, and it solved your problem. So, I am pretty sure it will work, once you manage to get the rule loaded. I just added a fix for Tiki11. I am not sure if there will be anymore Tiki 10 releases....	[20:05]
Tiki-KGB	tikiwiki 03arildb r46130 10branches/11.x/styles/layout/design.css tikiwiki [FIX] Prevent image overflowing into the boundary	[20:08]
wood_	yes, i found that the overflow style stopeed the overflow. it doesn't scale the image tho :( so you still get "half people" etc	[20:09]
arildb	Does the random image module have a size specification?	[20:09]
wood_	no it doesn't really have any params	[20:11]
arildb	So, looks like the alternative is that you scale the images in the file gallery	[20:11]
wood_	so just crunch them to a different size as a permenant change?	[20:14]
arildb	..well, an alternative. You could make a preview copy maybe and leave the original? a bit of work though...	[20:16]
wood_	there must be a way to do it with css, surely? not that i'm having much luck with firebug!	[20:16]
arildb	I am not sure resizing may leave some pictures warped	[20:18]
wood_	do you think that because that module is used several times, there are several elements with id random_image?	[20:21]
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wood_	if i load the stylesheete manually, margin is there, overflow isn't, but neither appear in firebug	[20:21]
arildb	yes, I see the problem with the non-unique id. Not sure which consequences that has	[20:22]
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wood_	ok, i have got the new stylesheet to load. overflow now hidden thanks for that. i'll work on scaling the image and let you know if i find a fix your help most appreciated	[20:25]
arildb	:-)	[20:26]
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wood_	i've set #random_imag img{width: 160px} and that works with my columns, but its a general solution :(	[20:30]
arildb	not sure I see the problem?	[20:32]
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arildb	http://show.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html was last updated 21 May. "Tiki version: Last update from SVN (11.0svn): Tuesday 21 of May, 2013 18:54:29 UTC - REV 46024 (MyISAM)" It's a while....I am unable to replicate the add_br feature bug on the show server. Maybe it's a new bug...can anybody do an update? code update I mean...not wiping the database changi\|back: should the show.tiki.org servers be auto updated every day or so? .... do you know?	[21:15]
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