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fabricius | PenguinMan98: we could do a quick Trackers seminar in a few days for you and Telesight, if you want .. trackers are cool
need to find a date and time | [00:00] |
PenguinMan98 | The page that it's on has the 'public' category set on it. The blog itself has the 'guide protected' category. And the blog post is set to 'public' category
That would be awesome All three categories are set to be visible by the anonymous user | [00:01] |
fabricius | aha
but? | [00:01] |
PenguinMan98 | If an anonymous clicks on it, they get told to log in
If a registered user clicks on it, they get told they don't have permission | [00:02] |
fabricius | hmmm
maybe because Tiki looks up the Blog first and then the BlogPost So Blog says "no" Just sought ... maybe weird this setup ... why so? /s/sought/thought | [00:02] |
PenguinMan98 | I thought of that, but the Blog should say yes because the guide protected category is viewable by the anon user | [00:04] |
fabricius | meaning .. was thinking ;-)
ah yes you said hmmm | [00:04] |
PenguinMan98 | The point of my set up is that I have a page viewable by the public with a blog on it. The page itself should be editable by wiki editors and guide staff. The blog should only be editable by the guide staff. So it gets the guide protected category. Then the post in the blog, why does it even ask for a category? I set it public so everyone could see it. | [00:05] |
fabricius | for you backbrain just to remind, in case you tried all different options - in some cases - some specific permissions - you need to set as global permission ... will not work only in category or sometimes a global permission is needed to "support" a certain category permission ... very rare, butfor some combinations necessary
maybe you do not set a category for the post leave it with the blog | [00:06] |
PenguinMan98 | Lemme try that | [00:07] |
fabricius | I think the idea is to either categorise the Blog or the Post, but not both ... just thinking
fabricius going for a smoke fabricius being wet from rain .. was lashing straiught after sitting on bike .. hehe | [00:07] |
PenguinMan98 | nope, that didn't help | [00:09] |
fabricius | args
no object permission? | [00:09] |
PenguinMan98 | I'll try an object permission now.
The only reservation I have is that I can't put blog posts in that blog that are only viewable by the guides if I set an object permission | [00:09] |
fabricius | oh I meant be sure NOT to have an existing object permission - I avoid due to conflicts you never find after a while | [00:10] |
PenguinMan98 | Oh, well I avoid even setting those permissions for that reason | [00:10] |
fabricius | loet me smok outside and think about it | [00:11] |
PenguinMan98 | kk
ty | [00:11] |
luciash | PenguinMan98: might be a regression bug too in your Tiki version - I think I recently stumbled upon something simmilar in 9.2 (not to be able to display blog to anonymous) | [00:14] |
fabricius | BTW PenguinMan98 did you see the blog edit button on the bottom left? http://screencast.com/t/vjYQhZl0AC | [00:14] |
luciash | luciash wonders if anonymous is now "trigger" word for NSA or something | [00:14] |
fabricius | you marked the heading edit buttons | [00:14] |
PenguinMan98 | ah, yes! | [00:14] |
fabricius | Terrorist Anonymous Bomb
ouch we are tracked now | [00:14] |
PenguinMan98 | the heading edit buttons do not edit the headings they are positioned next to though
That's the bug | [00:15] |
luciash | fabricius: don't say that ! :D b-b-b-b---b-b--b-b-b---b-bomb ! | [00:15] |
fabricius | I should not say bomb?
why? | [00:15] |
luciash | on a plane ;) | [00:15] |
fabricius | next time on a plane "bomb bomb bombastic flight"
once Ientered a plane and asked loud "did you see the tires? down to the carcass. ... uhh some people have been looking scared .. but they really have been down | [00:16] |
PenguinMan98 | I had a friend who had a very large object in his backyard. He claimed he found it one day and rolled it home. He wanted to know if we knew what it went to. My buddy and I obliged and went back to examine the object
It was an aircraft tire Which led to all kinds of speculation about where it came from and what happened to the rest of the plane It wasn't a small one either. It was a bigger passenger plane tire | [00:18] |
luciash | fabricius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcK5gSRti4g
PenguinMan98: wow | [00:20] |
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astroo- | hello | [00:29] |
h2mster | ;) | [00:30] |
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PenguinMan98 | sup
What if I just want to turn off the right side section editor buttons? like tiki for smarties has them turned off PenguinMan98 goes hunting in the wiki settings | [00:47] |
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PenguinMan98 | PenguinMan98 fails to find it | [01:16] |
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PenguinMan98 found something but there doesn't seem to be any documentation on the feature
nope, that wasn't what I wanted at all *headdesk* | [01:32] | |
this seems to be what I want, but the feature isn't there in the config
http://screencast.com/t/Qi6OuauA07 PenguinMan98 ponders the feasibility of making a separate doc.tiki.org for each revision | [01:44] | |
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fabricius | PenguinMan98: the headline edit buttons .. easy to switch off
luciash: ouch bomb | [02:12] |
PenguinMan98: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons" | [02:24] | |
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hey everyone
I'm back Tonight's goal is to learn how to customize the look and feel of the homepage and modules on it | [06:22] | |
Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Composer error with zendframework - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=47716 | [06:31] |
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PenguinMan98 | PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom plugins. Decides that's not gonna work for his needs | [07:20] |
PenguinMan98 reads how to create custom modules but that doesn't seem to be what he needs either. Unless they just conveniently forgot to mention you can use php code in them | [07:32] | |
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PenguinMan98 | hey fabricius
maybe you can point me in the right direction I want to take these side bar modules I custom coded, and put them on the wiki http://screencast.com/t/u61M9VJvq67n What is the best way to do that? For the one, the data is coming out of the wiki just fine, I just need to style it For the second, I need to pull the data from a custom database field. table* | [07:32] |
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PenguinMan98: I have no time now, i must leave the house. You might ask tonight, if you didn't find a solution by then ... a hint so far: check how the parameters look like in a default module - you could configure a dummy module from the list, give it some parameters in the given fields and check the sriting in the list of the applied modules
PenguinMan98: these parameters you can set for a custom module in this way: parameter1¶meter2¶meter3 etc. | [08:29] | |
PenguinMan98 | ok, thank you | [08:30] |
fabricius | PenguinMan98: for example: nobox=y&page=HomePage&class=anyname | [08:30] |
PenguinMan98 | Yes, but it's plugins that do the php work
I'm not sure how to interface the two | [08:31] |
fabricius | PenguinMan98: you define a class in the css file of your theme and use this class as parameter for the module
once the plugin is in a module the class of the module apply | [08:32] |
PenguinMan98 | Yes, but I still need to do custom PHP to get info from my database | [08:32] |
fabricius | there are plugins like the plugin {DIV()} which you can apply classes two | [08:32] |
PenguinMan98 | again, that's css. I need php | [08:33] |
fabricius | there should be a Plugin {PHP()} or {SMARTY()}
you can put Smarty code into the custom module | [08:33] |
PenguinMan98 | smarty disables the {PHP} tags by default. | [08:34] |
fabricius | or wikisyntax/wikiplugins, like this
Smarty bla bla {wiki}{literal}wikisyntax including wikiplugins here{/literal}{/wiki}smarty bla bla inside the wiki literal tags you can use every wikiplugin, which maybe could do the job, so you can try to find a plugin if there is no module and you can combine several plugins and build up a module with it you can rad about the [list} plugin or some mysql plugin ... I have no time to check now .. this is more advanced stuff and even experienced users have to think a while about how to get something like that togethter - so for now just some ideas to give you a direction I am very busy outside virtual life theses days, will try to look up when you come back in the evening (European time) and might be better available next week -- interesting task you talk about | [08:34] |
PenguinMan98 | kk ty! | [08:40] |
fabricius | so have fun with modules and plugins and tell me the status lateron, bye | [08:41] |
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Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: 20 of june Webinar - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=47718 | [09:13] |
PenguinMan98 | oh wtf is this?
This is the absolute most egregious fail of this entire software. You've gone thorugh how many revisions and still haven't figured out how to do this? I can't use categories to give my guys permissions to create new wiki pages What the hell | [09:23] |
This is core functionality
Now I have to go in as admin and set up every single page they need. That's a huge burden on me that I don't need rightnow | [09:33] | |
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marclaporte smells an upgrade | [15:48] |
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hey fabricius , thank you for this: "yourdomain.com/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea" -> 2nd tab "Plugins" -> untick "Toggle display of section and plugin edit icons" only issue is, it didn't seem to work to change it. Also, how do I get to that page besides typing it in manually? oh, that was counter intuitive. Turning the feature on, turned the edit icons off PenguinMan98 files that away as silliness Back to my huge core screwup problem Why can I not use categories to give my editors permissions to create wiki pages? I understand the technical problem is that when you create a new page by creating a link on a page, you don't know the category of the page that will be created so when the guy clicks on the ? it doesn't know what permissions to use But it seems that this would be very easily solved by defaulting that new page to use the category and permissions of the page he is linking it from How did you guys get around this? Or did you not? | [17:02] |
ricks99 | PenguinMan98: when using the searc box or quick edit page module, you can specify category
can also use the "force category" option to require selection of a specific category (or select from a tree of categories) when creating pages | [17:09] |
PenguinMan98 | But force category only works when creating a new page from the wiki -> create new page interface
Which my users don't seem to have permission to see | [17:10] |
ricks99 | no. should work from any. When saving, user is told he must select category | [17:11] |
PenguinMan98 | So, user A edits page A and puts in a link ((B)). When he tries to save page A, he gets a popup? Or what? | [17:11] |
ricks99 | yes. will be told that "category must be selected" | [17:12] |
PenguinMan98 | That seems like it will work. I'd rather just default it to the category the page he's linking from. It would save hassle | [17:12] |
ricks99 | could b a nice enahancment | [17:14] |
PenguinMan98 | PenguinMan98 found on google last night that this conversation has been had since version 2. He wonders why nobody has done this already so many years later | [17:15] |
ricks99 | probably not that easy
what if the source page is in multiple categories what if the editor has view perm for the category, but not add/remove objects (but still has perm to create wiki pages) etc lots of possible issues ricks99 thinks *he* had this converstion since vers 2 ;) | [17:15] |
PenguinMan98 | the conversations I found were with marclaporte | [17:16] |
ricks99 | fwiw, this functionality exists in strutures already (iirc)
when addinga child page in a structure, you can tell it to inherit the cat | [17:16] |
PenguinMan98 | what's a structure? | [17:17] |
ricks99 | wiki structure: defined browse path with parent/child relationships
i.e.,: a set of hierarchical pages | [17:17] |
PenguinMan98 | How do you set one of those up? | [17:18] |
ricks99 | http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures
good starting point :) | [17:18] |
PenguinMan98 | Yeah, (and not to sound whiny but...) except that 9/10 pages on your site are for older versions of tiki and I have to spend an hour trying to figure out how to translate your info to my tiki. | [17:20] |
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polom | [17:20] |
ricks99 | sorry... tiki moves too fast for me to keep up. i try to aim for LTS versions
but should be easy enuf to figure out | [17:20] |
PenguinMan98 | The feel I get is that the interface was pretty stable up to tiki 9 but for 10 they totally moved everything around | [17:21] |
ricks99 | polom marclaporte
y. Tiki 10 is not an LTS will be end of life shortly | [17:21] |
PenguinMan98 | Well some of us always want the latest version on the assumption that it'll be the most feature rich and stable. | [17:22] |
ricks99 | if you want stability, use LTS | [17:23] |
PenguinMan98 | I just don't know if I can justify the downgrade to tiki 9 at this point | [17:23] |
ricks99 | you should review: http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle
eseically the "upgrade examples" | [17:23] |
PenguinMan98 | interesting
I'm not surprised there is no downgrade | [17:27] |
ricks99 | no not possible | [17:28] |
PenguinMan98 | I was expecting a downgrade to involve removing the tiki and starting over | [17:28] |
ricks99 | pretty much | [17:28] |
PenguinMan98 | Which is why I'm not willing to do that
Users are already actively using the site | [17:28] |
ricks99 | y. if site is already launched, to late to select LTS | [17:29] |
PenguinMan98 | Thankfully this site is just a hobby site and nothing professional
Already I'm stuck on step 2 of enabling structures because the where it was on tiki 9 because it's not* where it was | [17:30] |
ricks99 | ?
are you filtering your admin opitons? | [17:33] |
PenguinMan98 | advanced is on
http://screencast.com/t/N7qGaNtG | [17:33] |
ricks99 | structures is on the admin: wiki page | [17:33] |
PenguinMan98 | oh hang on,
yeah Just noticed that | [17:33] |
ricks99 | ur on the wrong page
see step 1 on http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Using+Structures remember, u can always search for specifci options | [17:34] |
PenguinMan98 | that didn't help me find the option for toggling the section edit buttons | [17:35] |
ricks99 | odd.what version are you using? in my 9LTS, when isearch for "TOGGLE" it is the second option shown | [17:35] |
PenguinMan98 | I'm in 10.? | [17:36] |
ricks99 | oh. sorry | [17:36] |
PenguinMan98 | And of course it shows up when I do that today just to spite me | [17:36] |
ricks99 | lol | [17:36] |
PenguinMan98 | PenguinMan98 crumples up all his pride and throws it out the window | [17:37] |
ricks99 | sounds like a standard PICNIC error ;-) | [17:37] |
PenguinMan98 | ... never heard of that one before | [17:37] |
ricks99 | picnic = problem in chair; not in computer | [17:38] |
PenguinMan98 | Ah, we use PEBCAK
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. (I goofed the acronym) So, how do you take existing pages and make them a structure? | [17:38] |
ricks99 | http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Adding+Pages+to+Structures | [17:41] |
PenguinMan98 | actually, I think this is more what I need: http://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Creating+Structures | [17:43] |
ricks99 | o. thought u wanted to add an existing page to a structure | [17:43] |
PenguinMan98 | Well, I dont' have any yet. I just enabled them | [17:44] |
ricks99 | o, then y. you must create a structrure before adding antyhing to it | [17:44] |
PenguinMan98 | Do all the pages in a structure need to have the same category?
There are a few pages I'd like to protect | [17:44] |
ricks99 | no. they can have any category
or mulitple categories but iirc, theres an option (when creating a child page within a structure) to inherit its parent categories | [17:45] |
PenguinMan98 | Yeah, I turned that on | [17:46] |
ricks99 | your in tiki 10 or trunk (11)? | [17:46] |
PenguinMan98 | 10 | [17:47] |
ricks99 | be sure to check the existing bugs... make sure u dont hit any bumps | [17:47] |
PenguinMan98 | oh I tend to find them easy enough
lol like making horizontal menus is borked if you check the box for []CSS it reloads the page and does nothing | [17:48] |
ricks99 | check box for CSS? | [17:51] |
PenguinMan98 | http://screencast.com/t/7NUddFc5R | [17:52] |
ricks99 | o... didn't realize you completely switched gears.
in 10, i think the menu preview was 'experminatal'. YMMV | [17:53] |
PenguinMan98 | you said find bugs | [17:53] |
ricks99 | don't waste your time in 10
11 is about to b beta. | [17:53] |
PenguinMan98 | fine | [17:53] |
ricks99 | upon release, 10 is closed | [17:53] |
PenguinMan98 | yup
I'll happily upgrade | [17:53] |
ricks99 | off to find luch. bbl ttyl | [17:54] |
PenguinMan98 | kk. thanks for your time | [17:54] |
ricks99 | cya | [17:54] |
PenguinMan98 | blah. I created the structure but the navigation is borked. It doesn't go into the next page | [18:07] |
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PenguinMan98 | I think I shot myself in the foot by naming the structure the same as an existing page | [18:22] |
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PenguinMan98 | OK. I finally have the structure working
Only one little minor teensy weensy detail My users STILL cannot create pages here! *headkeyboard repeatedly* | [18:47] |
arildb | PenguinMan98: Try to revoke the edit structure permission | [18:52] |
PenguinMan98 | from my public users?
err, my public category? | [18:52] |
arildb | PenguinMan98: Is the structure linked to a category? | [18:59] |
PenguinMan98 | Yeah, public
Public is a category that everyone including anonymous users can view but only registered users with voice and wiki edit permissions can change | [19:01] |
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ricks99|away | PenguinMan98: did u give them ability to edit the structure? | [19:04] |
PenguinMan98 | yes | [19:04] |
ricks99|away | and the ability to add items to the category | [19:04] |
PenguinMan98 | ... no | [19:05] |
ricks99|away | if you want them to be able to create a page that will be in a category, they need perm to add items to the category | [19:05] |
PenguinMan98 | PenguinMan98 did not know that... | [19:05] |
ricks99|away | i think tiki_p_add_object and tiki_p_remove_object | [19:07] |
PenguinMan98 | Ok. So I'm looking at this and I'm thinking | [19:07] |
ricks99|away | see docs for details http://doc.tiki.org/permissions | [19:07] |
PenguinMan98 | In my wiki, only users with wiki edit permission can add objects
but in my forums, registered users with voice can add forum posts | [19:07] |
ricks99|away | edit != add | [19:07] |
PenguinMan98 | 'wiki edit' is the name of a group | [19:08] |
ricks99|away | forms can be categorized -- but not specific posts | [19:08] |
luciash | hi | [19:08] |
ricks99|away | hiya luciash | [19:09] |
luciash | there is also tiki_p_modify_category_objects | [19:09] |
PenguinMan98 | So, if I set my category permission to allow all registered users with voice to add items, this would allow ... wait no. THey can add forum posts already | [19:09] |
luciash | hi ricks99|away who is not away | [19:09] |
ricks99|away | ricks99|away almost away... vacation next week
PenguinMan98: sorry, i'm now confused... thought u wanted to have users work on wiki pages in a category? forums are diffretn | [19:09] |
PenguinMan98 | The deal is, I'm not sure what the category permissions will all affect once set
I'm trying to be cognizant of how it will affect my forums / etc | [19:12] |
ricks99|away | any object in the category | [19:12] |
PenguinMan98 | Here is my current permissions state for the public category: http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj | [19:12] |
ricks99|away | perms are inhereted from group -> category -> object, and override object -> category -> group | [19:12] |
PenguinMan98 | But my wiki editor user is still not able to create pages | [19:13] |
ricks99|away | first, check your prems for the group: "wiki editor"
ur screen shot is shwoing *GROUP* perms -- not categories | [19:13] |
PenguinMan98 | what? No. That's category | [19:14] |
ricks99|away | http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj
those are groups anon, reg, etc. | [19:14] |
PenguinMan98 | yes | [19:15] |
ricks99|away | your screenshot http://screencast.com/t/JYaIp7xphj is showing GROUP perms -- not category | [19:15] |
PenguinMan98 | That whole page is the permissions for the public category.
Look at the url objectType = category | [19:15] |
ricks99|away | duh. my bad | [19:16] |
PenguinMan98 | The permissions for that group are empty | [19:16] |
ricks99|away | ok. what are the perms for the actual category. they will override the group perms
i mean the group *sigh* | [19:16] |
PenguinMan98 | <PenguinMan98> The permissions for that group are empty | [19:17] |
ricks99|away | are you missing tiki_p_modify_object_categories? a requirment for p_add_object? | [19:18] |
PenguinMan98 | probably
where can I find that? | [19:18] |
ricks99|away | belive it is in the Tiki section. you can use the search/filter | [19:19] |
PenguinMan98 | aha. It's the only thing there
Nope. Still can't add pages | [19:20] |
ricks99|away | not sure then. if you want, feel free to pm me site info and i'll b happy to take a look | [19:21] |
PenguinMan98 | http://screencast.com/t/9DTUkk8jDoar
That's my permissions | [19:22] |
ricks99|away | fwiw, normally i add all my perms at group level, then remove/filter by using cats. not by adding (as ur doing) | [19:22] |
PenguinMan98 | I think I'll need to shift how I think about the permissions before I can understand what you mean | [19:23] |
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PenguinMan98 | have some awesome music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRHx4cPgbE | [20:11] |
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PenguinMan98 | can anyone tell me what tiki_p_blog_post_view_ref does? It's not on the http://doc.tiki.org/Permissions+List
The text offered is: Can view in module and feed the blog posts but what does that mean? Also when editing the group permissions, why can you 'select groups' ? Seems weird What would it mean if you were editing the anonymous group and set the permission for the registered user? | [20:43] |
ricks99|away | iirc, "select group" means the user can seledt the specific group from the grouplist (ie., when adding group field to tracker)
allows you to create droplist in forms that include/omit specific groups | [20:48] |
PenguinMan98 | .... can you give me an example? | [20:49] |
ricks99|away | if you have a form (tracker) that has a GROUP field, this way you can assign items to specific groups (e.g., in a call center) | [20:50] |
PenguinMan98 | I think we're not talking about the same thing
I want to set the group permissions | [20:50] |
ricks99|away | ok | [20:52] |
PenguinMan98 | there are two different buttons to do that: http://screencast.com/t/UMK0v2d3GG
The top button seems to go to global permissions. I'm not sure that's what I want So I click on the key instead for the Anonymous group | [20:52] |
ricks99|away | global = group perm
perms are being changed thru tiki 11. see dev site for deatils | [20:53] |
PenguinMan98 | So, those two links go to the same place even though there is a URL parameter if I use the key? | [20:54] |
ricks99|away | detailed info (iirc) in the dev roamap
afaik | [20:54] |
PenguinMan98 | I see | [20:54] |
ricks99|away | the key preloads the selected group
the "manage perm" button at top, starts generally | [20:54] |
PenguinMan98 | k
That's silliness and needless confusion imho. | [20:55] |
ricks99|away | y. tiki 10 is not a "real' release. | [20:56] |
PenguinMan98 | It's real to me | [20:56] |
ricks99|away | things get changed between LTS in pieces
real yes, but very limited lifecycle | [20:56] |
PenguinMan98 | It's what I've got and I've gotta use | [20:56] |
ricks99|away | if you want toedit the perms for aspecific group, click the key icon | [20:56] |
PenguinMan98 | If you have the 'select groups' set, then it will stay set even if you click the key. The only change is if you didn't have the group already selected and click the key, it will add it to the groups selected | [20:57] |
ricks99|away | y. the key slects the group | [20:58] |
PenguinMan98 | or if you had already selected the group, the key does nothing | [20:58] |
ricks99|away | y. the key is a hold over from prior verisons that did not allow u to work on multiple group perms at once
it is the "old" way check the dev site for fulld etails and explanation and roadmap | [20:59] |
PenguinMan98 | I see | [21:02] |
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hello people | [22:51] |
PenguinMan98 | hey astroo
My clicky finger is soooooo tired now but I've completely redone my permissions system from the ground up | [22:55] |
astroo- | hello | [22:58] |
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luciash | PenguinMan98: congrats | [23:37] |
PenguinMan98 | Ricks99 helped me see that I'd basically set up a whitelisting style permissions system where only certain things were allowed
Instead of how it was intended to be used as a blacklist style only restrict what you need to restrict | [23:37] |
luciash | PenguinMan98: yes, whitelisting is better approach if you plan mostly restrictive system, blacklisting is better if you plan open collaborative system and want to restrict only few parts of your site | [23:43] |
PenguinMan98 | My staff are all super excited now that everything works as intended
I was beginning to freak out I had this great wiki and nobody was using it It was that they couldn't fixed now Now, I return to the issue of a customized module appearance / css | [23:52] |
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