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luciashleagris: thx. is it still valid when you send non-utf8 mail ? (latin1)
grmbl, there is no lib/webmail/htmlMimeMail.php in trunk anymore :( 		[00:25]
leagris: now i read this in lib/ziplib.php line 792:
* Only "7bit", "quoted-printable", and "base64" are universally safe * for transport via e-mail. (Though many MTAs can/will be configured to * automatically convert encodings to a safe type if they receive * mail encoded in '8bit' and/or 'binary' encodings.
leagris: it seems to say exactly the opposite what you have said :) 		[00:39]
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luciashluciash wonders if base64 would be a safer choice [00:43]
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refizulluciash: email separates between header encoding and body encoding
header must me universal, so there are only three options 		[00:57]
luciashrefizul: which ones [00:59]
refizulthe body is almost a binary for transport, and it's meaning is written into the header by the encoding
luciash: the three ones above, you mentioned them 		[00:59]
luciashso the suggestion by leagris to use 8bit instead of 7bit is wrong ? [01:00]
refizuldoes it refer to header? [01:00]
luciashyes [01:01]
refizulyou cannot use German Umlauts and other special stuff directly encoded inside the header by a byte or two bytes UTF-8
inside name and subject is has to be recoded qp or b64
inside name and subject and any header is has to be recoded qp or b64 		[01:02]
luciashthat's what i thought, base64 [01:03]
refizulif you mess this up, you're in an undefined situation
some MTAs can exchange mails despite, some not 		[01:03]
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refizulWhich permission does a user need to see "Tracker" in the left menu? [01:34]
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leagrisssorry to fix your wrongness refizul
Mail header encoding is a very different topic
Mail header encoding of utf-8 requires what is named Q or B coding
What I patched/proposed is concerning the content transported bits defined by mime header Content-Transfer-Encoding
This defines how the content payload of a MIME part has to be handled in reguard to transport (IE MTAs and MDA)
That is, I was talsking about MIME Payload and not MIME headers whic is a totally distinct topic with its own issues
So, within actual versions of TIkiwiki webmail mime object constructor. The default of 7bit encoding is improper and unsuitable for anything other than either
Quoted printable encoded charset
Or plain 7bit ASCII
The default mime object setup for HTML part is already Quoted Printable, so, a 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding is ok
The default mime object setup for text/plain part is currently bugged to 7bit and plain iso-8859-1 or utf-8 charsets which are 8bits charsets
You can not use a 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding for iso-8859-1 or utf-8, you need to Quote Print and declaire use Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable, (for purposedly QP encoded content) or Declare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit if content is not encoded.
Actually no [01:03] <@luciash> that's what i thought, base64
or not precisely
Mail headers use Q coding (equivallent of Quoted Printable) and B coding (equivallent of BASE64)
Well, if you need to grasp this. There a the MIME RFCs and some good articles on wikipedia :)
I whiches you all a good night. 		[05:17]
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luciashhi Bsfez [12:55]
leagris: thx for the information. so you say your fix is 100% correct ? ;) i can commit it then but will need fix for branches/11.x or trunk as the lib has changed there [13:04]
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refizulI've got a tracker with url field, and I try to get an url with comma into it. But this works like a separator and url breaks, and HTMML entity &#44; doesn't work either. What do I have to do?
Is there a special escape mechanism? 		[13:14]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46721 10branches/11.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php
tikiwiki [FIX] tracker plugin: Setting an empty value for fields now prevents the defaults being used, so don't do this for dropdowns with duplicated options which are used as defaults.
tikiwiki Leave other field types alone in case this is still needed for "prefilling" values. 		[13:20]
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luciashrefizul: use URL escape
%XX
hi jonnyb ! 		[13:29]
jonnybhi luciash - how goes? [13:31]
luciashgoes well
:) 		[13:31]
jonnyb:) [13:31]
luciashjust grabbed brances/11.x
*branches
need to dig the composer commands now somewhere, right ?
luciash missing the old good helpful bots here ;) 		[13:32]
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luciashluciash wonders the composer info is not at SVNTips
nor on DevTips
nor on TikiDevNewbie
ah, Composer
luciash srughs
ok, sh ./setup.sh 		[13:38]
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refizulluciash: thx, that worked (after converting dec2hex several times wrong in my head, haha) [13:42]
luciashfu*k the symfony
"Your requirements could not be resolved to an installable set of packages."
luciash remembers the old times when setting up Tiki was easy 		[13:43]
refizulthe easiest way is to give an order to someone else: "Install Tiki! Do it now!" [13:45]
luciash"symfony/console v2.2.0 requires php >=5.3.3 -> no matching package found." [13:46]
refizulis there a way to get rid of "Reply-To" email header inside forum outgoing email? [13:46]
luciashrefizul: sure there is always a way ;) [13:47]
refizul;-) Is there an easy way within Tiki webinterface to get rid of "Reply-To" email header inside forum outgoing email?
IMO this lacks to be a) optional and b) configurable in value 		[13:48]
leagris@luciash My fix is a temp fix
It fix default initialization values for the mime object reguarding a text/plain content part
Well a proper enhancment would be a preference entry alongside charset to choose between 8bit or quoted-printable
and it would need to be initialized within webmailmime extend class fetching some content-encoding preference entry
Still my patch is good for the main class defaults 		[13:50]
luciashrefizul: there is no such easy way then
leagris: i wonder if it is worth of patching temporarily in 10.x when that version is going to end and in 11.x+ the file is not present
leagris: it probably uses the Zend framework mimeMail lib or something 		[13:56]
leagristhis is it [13:59]
refizulluciash: one more for the todo list then [14:00]
leagrisThis means it is a Zend Framework oddity [14:00]
luciashno, i mean the htmlMimeMail lib was replaced by the one from Zend [14:00]
leagrisAnd it should be tikiwiki extended class initialization job to configure a proper 8bit or quoted-pritable
Oh I see 		[14:00]
luciashleagris: or you mean the same problem is present in 11/trunk ? [14:01]
leagrisWould it be safe if I upgrade now from 10.x to 11.x?
and see what happens there? 		[14:01]
luciashdo you have PHP >=5.3.3 ?
seems it is a requirement for Tiki 11 because of the symfony/console package (dunno what it is needed for though)
maybe not that a big issue 		[14:02]
leagrisphp 5.4.9 [14:03]
luciashyou should be fine then [14:03]
leagrisIl look at the 10. zendmail class already present to see what are the defaults there [14:04]
luciashok, not sure it is that one (used) though [14:07]
leagrisMail.php: public function setBodyText($txt, $charset = null, $encoding = Zend_Mime::ENCODING_QUOTEDPRINTABLE)
should be fine as the main Mail class initialize to quoted-printable if not specified 		[14:09]
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luciashleagris: sounds good [14:14]
leagrisasside for a sane default text mime part as quoted-printable, a preference choice should be available to choose between 8bit and quoted-printable
quoted-printable = work everywhere even with outdated MUA. But has a 30% payload due to encoding
8bit = woork everywhere except on some outdated legacy systems (some very outdated Outlook), and save 30% size 		[14:17]
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leagrisAs reference http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/5_Content-Transfer-Encoding.html [14:30]
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leagris@luciash Test mail from Tiki installer 11.0 fail
Does not declare a Content-Transfer-Encoding mime header which default to 7bit according to rfc1341 		[14:45]
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luciashleagris: thanks, fail means fail to send or fail to conform to the RFC ? [15:29]
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leagris@luciash it was only the setup email having no Content-Encoding while using utf-8 (minor bug)
Other Mail messages gets the default quoted-printable as is 		[18:16]
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leagriscrap hitting an annoying bug
A subscriber get a red error message "a valide email address is required" while entering a perfectly valid address
besides this, the user account is created but no message is sent to confirm subscription 		[18:20]
arildbSome users get annoyed by the "web page has expired" message, when pressing the back button. What can be done? [18:23]
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jonnybhi all [18:35]
arildbhi jonnyb [18:35]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46722 10branches/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs)
tikiwiki [bp/r46159 & 46251]
tikiwiki [ENH] trackers: Add pref to allow changing tracker field type after creation - advanced and off by default, but with a extra warning [from revision 46159]
tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Fix save field if tracker_change_field_type pref disabled [from revision 46251] 		[18:36]
jonnybarildb: that message is when the data was a POST form submission, using GET instead doesn't have that problem
obviously not clicking the back button but having a link somewhere on the page reduces that problem (but users will still do it) 		[18:36]
arildbright. It's a "tracker based" system. Is there a place I can change to GET? [18:37]
jonnybleagris: is this on tiki-register.php? of something else? (email validation has always worked fine for me - is it an odd email address?)
arildb: no, tracker plugin etc uses POST 		[18:38]
arildbIt's a Tiki 9 system. Same there? [18:39]
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Jyhem_laptop_webinar is in 45 minutes : https://tiki.org/July+2013+Webinar [20:15]
leagrisjonnyb it look like I had half baked subscription form enabled, so it failed to send aa welcome/confirmation message [20:29]
refizulalmost too hot for webinar... ;-) [20:32]
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refizulyeah - the heat makes their machines fail ;-)
fabricius: webinar? 		[20:50]
five minutes left [20:55]
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Jyhem_grmbl, missing link again to BBB [21:00]
refizulhttps://tiki.org/live
fabricius: ? 		[21:04]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46723 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Field/ItemLink.php
tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Repair ItemLink displayFieldsList option which now returns array(0) instead of an empty value, causing JS errors and lack of list (probably needs a better fix upstream as other options will be affected by this) 		[21:06]
refizuljust found a new bug... [21:07]
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fabriciusrefizul
I am in a phone conference
Germany - USA
an international cooperation project, with a Tiki website 		[22:45]
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