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[00:25] luciash leagris: thx. is it still valid when you send non-utf8 mail ? (latin1)
[00:28] luciash grmbl, there is no lib/webmail/htmlMimeMail.php in trunk anymore :(
[00:39] luciash leagris: now i read this in lib/ziplib.php line 792:
[00:39] luciash * Only "7bit", "quoted-printable", and "base64" are universally safe * for transport via e-mail. (Though many MTAs can/will be configured to * automatically convert encodings to a safe type if they receive * mail encoded in '8bit' and/or 'binary' encodings.
[00:40] luciash leagris: it seems to say exactly the opposite what you have said :)
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[00:43] * luciash wonders if base64 would be a safer choice
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[00:57] refizul luciash: email separates between header encoding and body encoding
[00:58] refizul header must me universal, so there are only three options
[00:59] luciash refizul: which ones
[00:59] refizul the body is almost a binary for transport, and it's meaning is written into the header by the encoding
[00:59] refizul luciash: the three ones above, you mentioned them
[01:00] luciash so the suggestion by leagris to use 8bit instead of 7bit is wrong ?
[01:00] refizul does it refer to header?
[01:01] luciash yes
[01:02] refizul you cannot use German Umlauts and other special stuff directly encoded inside the header by a byte or two bytes UTF-8
[01:03] refizul inside name and subject is has to be recoded qp or b64
[01:03] refizul inside name and subject and any header is has to be recoded qp or b64
[01:03] luciash that's what i thought, base64
[01:03] refizul if you mess this up, you're in an undefined situation
[01:04] refizul some MTAs can exchange mails despite, some not
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[01:34] refizul Which permission does a user need to see "Tracker" in the left menu?
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[05:17] leagris ssorry to fix your wrongness refizul
[05:18] leagris Mail header encoding is a very different topic
[05:18] leagris Mail header encoding of utf-8 requires what is named Q or B coding
[05:19] leagris What I patched/proposed is concerning the content transported bits defined by mime header Content-Transfer-Encoding
[05:20] leagris This defines how the content payload of a MIME part has to be handled in reguard to transport (IE MTAs and MDA)
[05:22] leagris That is, I was talsking about MIME Payload and not MIME headers whic is a totally distinct topic with its own issues
[05:23] leagris So, within actual versions of TIkiwiki webmail mime object constructor. The default of 7bit encoding is improper and unsuitable for anything other than either
[05:23] leagris Quoted printable encoded charset
[05:24] leagris Or plain 7bit ASCII
[05:25] leagris The default mime object setup for HTML part is already Quoted Printable, so, a 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding is ok
[05:26] leagris The default mime object setup for text/plain part is currently bugged to 7bit and plain iso-8859-1 or utf-8 charsets which are 8bits charsets
[05:29] leagris You can not  use a 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding for iso-8859-1 or utf-8, you need to Quote Print and declaire use Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable, (for purposedly QP encoded content) or Declare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit if content is not encoded.
[05:31] leagris Actually no [01:03] <@luciash> that's what i thought, base64
[05:31] leagris or not precisely
[05:32] leagris Mail headers use Q coding (equivallent of Quoted Printable) and B coding (equivallent of BASE64)
[05:33] leagris Well, if  you need to grasp this. There a the MIME RFCs and some good articles on wikipedia :)
[05:33] leagris I whiches you all a good night.
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[12:55] luciash hi Bsfez
[13:04] luciash leagris: thx for the information. so you say your fix is 100% correct ? ;) i can commit it then but will need fix for branches/11.x or trunk as the lib has changed there
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[13:14] refizul I've got a tracker with url field, and I try to get an url with comma into it. But this works like a separator and url breaks, and HTMML entity &#44; doesn't work either. What do I have to do?
[13:15] refizul Is there a special escape mechanism?
[13:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46721 10branches/11.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php
[13:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] tracker plugin: Setting an empty value for fields now prevents the defaults being used, so don't do this for dropdowns with duplicated options which are used as defaults.
[13:20] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki Leave other field types alone in case this is still needed for "prefilling" values.
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[13:29] luciash refizul: use URL escape
[13:30] luciash %XX
[13:31] luciash hi jonnyb !
[13:31] jonnyb hi luciash - how goes?
[13:31] luciash goes well
[13:31] luciash :)
[13:31] jonnyb :)
[13:32] luciash just grabbed brances/11.x
[13:32] luciash *branches
[13:33] luciash need to dig the composer commands now somewhere, right ?
[13:34] * luciash missing the old good helpful bots here ;)
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[13:38] * luciash wonders the composer info is not at SVNTips
[13:39] luciash nor on DevTips
[13:39] luciash nor on TikiDevNewbie
[13:40] luciash ah, Composer
[13:40] * luciash srughs
[13:41] luciash ok, sh ./setup.sh
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[13:42] refizul luciash: thx, that worked (after converting dec2hex several times wrong in my head, haha)
[13:43] luciash fu*k the symfony
[13:43] luciash "Your requirements could not be resolved to an installable set of packages."
[13:44] * luciash remembers the old times when setting up Tiki was easy
[13:45] refizul the easiest way is to give an order to someone else: "Install Tiki! Do it now!"
[13:46] luciash "symfony/console v2.2.0 requires php >=5.3.3 -> no matching package found."
[13:46] refizul is there a way to get rid of "Reply-To" email header inside forum outgoing email?
[13:47] luciash refizul: sure there is always a way ;)
[13:48] refizul ;-) Is there an easy way within Tiki webinterface to get rid of "Reply-To" email header inside forum outgoing email?
[13:48] refizul IMO this lacks to be a) optional and b) configurable in value
[13:50] leagris @luciash My fix is a temp fix
[13:51] leagris It fix default initialization values for the mime object reguarding a text/plain content part
[13:52] leagris Well a proper enhancment would be a preference entry alongside charset to choose between 8bit or quoted-printable
[13:53] leagris and it would need to be initialized within webmailmime extend class fetching some content-encoding preference entry
[13:53] leagris Still my patch is good for the main class defaults
[13:56] luciash refizul: there is no such easy way then
[13:58] luciash leagris: i wonder if it is worth of patching temporarily in 10.x when that version is going to end and in 11.x+ the file is not present
[13:59] luciash leagris: it probably uses the Zend framework mimeMail lib or something
[13:59] leagris this is it
[14:00] refizul luciash: one more for the todo list then
[14:00] leagris This means it is a Zend Framework oddity
[14:00] luciash no, i mean the htmlMimeMail lib was replaced by the one from Zend
[14:00] leagris And it should be tikiwiki extended class initialization job to configure a proper 8bit or quoted-pritable
[14:01] leagris Oh I see
[14:01] luciash leagris: or you mean the same problem is present in 11/trunk ?
[14:01] leagris Would it be safe if I upgrade now from 10.x to 11.x?
[14:01] leagris and see what happens there?
[14:02] luciash do you have PHP >=5.3.3 ?
[14:03] luciash seems it is a requirement for Tiki 11 because of the symfony/console package (dunno what it is needed for though)
[14:03] luciash maybe not that a big issue
[14:03] leagris php 5.4.9
[14:03] luciash you should be fine then
[14:04] leagris Il look at the 10. zendmail class already present to see what are the defaults there
[14:07] luciash ok, not sure it is that one (used) though
[14:09] leagris Mail.php:    public function setBodyText($txt, $charset = null, $encoding = Zend_Mime::ENCODING_QUOTEDPRINTABLE)
[14:10] leagris should be fine as the main Mail class initialize to quoted-printable if not specified
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[14:14] luciash leagris: sounds good
[14:17] leagris asside for a sane default text mime part as quoted-printable, a preference choice should be available to choose between 8bit and quoted-printable
[14:18] leagris quoted-printable = work everywhere even with outdated MUA. But has a 30% payload due to encoding
[14:19] leagris 8bit = woork everywhere except on some outdated legacy systems (some very outdated Outlook), and save 30% size
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[14:30] leagris As reference http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/5_Content-Transfer-Encoding.html
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[14:45] leagris @luciash Test mail from Tiki installer 11.0 fail
[14:46] leagris Does not declare a Content-Transfer-Encoding mime header which default to 7bit according to rfc1341
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[15:29] luciash leagris: thanks, fail means fail to send or fail to conform to the RFC ?
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[18:16] leagris @luciash it was only the setup email having no Content-Encoding while using utf-8 (minor bug)
[18:16] leagris Other Mail messages gets the default quoted-printable as is
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[18:20] leagris crap hitting an annoying bug
[18:21] leagris A subscriber get a red error message "a valide email address is required" while entering a perfectly valid address
[18:21] leagris besides this, the user account is created but no message is sent to confirm subscription
[18:23] arildb Some users get annoyed by the "web page has expired" message, when pressing the back button. What can be done?
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[18:35] jonnyb hi all
[18:35] arildb hi jonnyb
[18:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46722 10branches/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs)
[18:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [bp/r46159 & 46251]
[18:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [ENH] trackers: Add pref to allow changing tracker field type after creation - advanced and off by default, but with a extra warning [from revision 46159]
[18:36] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Fix save field if tracker_change_field_type pref disabled [from revision 46251]
[18:36] jonnyb arildb: that message is when the data was a POST form submission, using GET instead doesn't have that problem
[18:37] jonnyb obviously not clicking the back button but having a link somewhere on the page reduces that problem (but users will still do it)
[18:37] arildb right. It's a "tracker based" system. Is there a place I can change to GET?
[18:38] jonnyb leagris: is this on tiki-register.php? of something else? (email validation has always worked fine for me - is it an odd email address?)
[18:39] jonnyb arildb: no, tracker plugin etc uses POST
[18:39] arildb It's a Tiki 9 system. Same there?
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[20:15] Jyhem_laptop_ webinar is in 45 minutes :  https://tiki.org/July+2013+Webinar
[20:29] leagris jonnyb it look like I had half baked subscription form enabled, so it failed to send aa welcome/confirmation message
[20:32] refizul almost too hot for webinar... ;-)
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[20:50] refizul yeah - the heat makes their machines fail ;-)
[20:50] refizul fabricius: webinar?
[20:55] refizul five minutes left
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[21:00] Jyhem_ grmbl, missing link again to  BBB
[21:04] refizul https://tiki.org/live
[21:04] refizul fabricius: ?
[21:06] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46723 10trunk/lib/core/Tracker/Field/ItemLink.php
[21:06] Tiki-KGB tikiwiki [FIX] trackers: Repair ItemLink displayFieldsList option which now returns array(0) instead of an empty value, causing JS errors and lack of list (probably needs a better fix upstream as other options will be affected by this)
[21:07] refizul just found a new bug...
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[22:45] fabricius refizul
[22:45] fabricius I am in a phone conference
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