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luciashpreference separator ? that is completely different topic - only visual separator if you mean the same thing [00:11]
leagrislib/prefs/user.php line 196 'separator' => ',',
no matter what, it uses a preg_split on user_trackersync_trackers preference to get an array of int from a comma separated string option :) 		[00:14]
commit done and enough coding today :) [00:25]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03leagris r46886 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php
tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn introduced bug where empty tiki_cdn was not handled properly and caused Error: directory '' not allowed by security setting 		[00:26]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Should WYSIWYG be tagged as basic, advanced or experimental? was [Tikiwiki-cvs/svn] SF.net SVN: tikiwiki:[46878] trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48313 [01:14]
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marclaportepanamaus: thanks! [02:33]
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marclaporteAnzhe: hi [05:21]
Anzhe:marclaporte, hello! [05:22]
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:marclaporte, have you heard anything from Olaf regarding that localization email I sent on the 22nd? [05:42]
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marclaporteThat is what I was gonna ask you :-)
Olaf must be travelling :-) 		[05:45]
Anzhe:-) I've heard nothing
btw, do you know of anyone "on the team" who will be attending Wikimania 2013? 		[05:46]
marclaporteRégis Barondeau
you are going? 		[05:53]
Anzheyeah I'll be there [05:53]
marclaporteawesome! [05:53]
Anzheit's pretty hard to believe
it basically went like this
1. On 2013-08-01 my company will launch our new International Market Research Division
2. the centerpiece of this division is TikiWiki11, we are going to collect and organize all of our data on TW 		[05:53]
marclaporteI am skipping this year, but make sure to meet http://www.regisbarondeau.com/ ? [05:54]
Anzhe3. while browsing the TW site I noticed the upcoming events, and that WM was in HK this year
4. I'm in China, so HK is a hop-skip away
5. I applied to the powers-that-be for funding to go to the conference with the goal of optimizing our TW implementation plan 		[05:55]
marclaporteThis is awesome timing :-) [05:55]
Anzhe6. they agreed, to my amazement
we've never done anything like a knowledge base before, and lots of people think I'm crazy, so to get this conference bankrolled was a real coup
anyway, hopefully I can meet some people who know TW while I'm there, because it's new for all of us 		[05:55]
marclaporteYes, there will be some users [05:56]
AnzheI have basic MediaWiki experience but editing existing articles here and there is a far cry from building a goliath market research knowledge base [05:56]
marclaporteBut Régis is the one with most experience I would think
And Tiki is a different animal than MediaWiki :-)
So the thing to figure out soon is the power of trackers 		[05:56]
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AnzheI'm very excited about the trackers and the MindMap
the former should help us manage the workload, the latter is perfect for impressing low-tech bosses ;-) 		[05:58]
marclaporte:-)
We have plenty of ambition to go beyond MindMaps: http://dev.tiki.org/Visualization 		[06:02]
Anzhe:@marclaporte, lovely, now roll it out ASAP! ;-)
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Hello
Someone bugged memcache in trunk?
Call to a member function get() on a non-object in lib/cache/memcachelib.php on line 117 		[15:21]
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Jyhem_Hello leagris: memcache is not just broken in trunk. It's kind of an abandoned feature
I looked it up in Tiki9 in april and my notes say: fonctionnalité en déshérence (currently unworking/uncared for) :-( 		[15:45]
jonnybhi Jyhem_ and leagris
memcache is working, i'm using it in a couple of tiki 11 sites 		[15:48]
Jyhem_Summary: Tiki ignores package php5-memcached and package php5-memcache ends up in White Screen of Death [15:49]
jonnybbut it can blow up badly if you don't set it up right (lphuberdeau magic :) ) - i started fixing it but it wasn't easy and so just added some notes somewhere it think [15:49]
Jyhem_jonnyb: I wish I knew that in april, you were in the same building when it failed me on Tiki9 :-) [15:50]
jonnybyou must have valid entries in your memcache_servers pref, or WSoD [15:50]
Jyhem_So, not something that iproved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ? [15:51]
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Jyhem_Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :)
reposting : So, not something that improved between 9 and 11 ? Just hard to figure out ?
Jyhem_ always has difficulties figuring things out when in frnt of WSOD :) 		[15:52]
jonnybtrouble is, the caching is done so low in the system that safely reporting problems (like the caching isn't working) is v tricky - catch 22 sort of thing
i fixed a couple of things for 11, but didn't manage to defeat the setup issue
jonnyb just jumps into the debugger when confronted with a WSoD 		[15:53]
Jyhem_Well, at least xCache is working fine. [15:54]
jonnyb:) [15:54]
Jyhem_I look up the error log. But really, I did not put effort in memcache, since i had no detailed understanding of what it achieved when running, and i was more passing through all the performance panels one after the other [15:56]
jonnybfrom my experience on two servers with it, i think you get a noticeable speed improvement out of cached pages - "feels like" about 10% or 20% maybe [15:57]
Jyhem_Also, I have that feeling next time I want to improve performances, i would have better results looking up nginx (everybody else seems to anyway) [15:57]
jonnybno idea what happens under heavy load but i'd guess it all helps
yes, must try nginx and the others one day 		[15:57]
Jyhem_Any help is good, except the help which presents a WSOD to the customer :-)
Jyhem_ goes for a cold shower and out. It's too hot here :-( 		[15:58]
jonnyb:) [15:59]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46887 10branches/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46876 to 46886 		[16:02]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Performance admin panel tabs - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48318 [16:36]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46888 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/core/Services/AutoSave/Controller.php
tikiwiki [FIX] autosave: Add and deploy checkReferrer routine and some phpdocs 		[17:06]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46889 10branches/ 10(5 files in 5 dirs)
tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Convert autosave.php into a proper "lib" (finally) 		[17:34]
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leagriswell ok the WSOD I know how to go out of it by editing the tiki_preference table. Not sure regular users will know how to go out of this [17:35]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lindonb r46890 10trunk/lib/core/Table/Code/ 10(5 files)
tikiwiki [REF] tablesorter: use simpler method of adding classes for setting sort or filter to false and other minor cleanup 		[17:38]
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jonnybhey lindonb - having a refactoring saturday too? :) [17:41]
lindonbyes, exactly! [17:42]
leagrisI don't know if it is my Firefox setup/extension but the onload performance is terrible
though it is fine with Chrome
167ms requests+http and 1.36s onload 		[17:43]
jonnybhi leagris - firefox is notoriously slow but mines fine here at the moment (the messed up the debugger in safari which i was using before)
i did find that using the js can was really slowing it down a lot in some circumstances - try switching that off? 		[17:46]
leagriswhat do you mean by "using the js"?
debugger? 		[17:51]
jonnybsorry (autocorrect) i meant "js cdn" [17:51]
leagriswas disabled
Well, from Firebug profiler 33% time spent was from Thumbnails_capture() (browser internal) hahaha 		[17:54]
jonnyb:D
don't worry, it should get an update in a few hours, hasn't been one for day!
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leagrisdoing tests on multiple CDN. 3 is where I get the most perceived performance gain [18:07]
jonnybleagris: i had a little look too but don't know how to set it up properly - i did find i was still getting "empty" ##i entries in the trusted urls array [18:08]
leagrisjunnyb did a new commit to fix this last night [18:09]
jonnybdid you have a look at the memcache_servers serialise functions? That would be the cleanest way to do it and you'd get a clean array everywhere
yes, this was today
if there's a line end after the last url it counts as a new empty cdn... 		[18:09]
leagrisah yes [18:10]
jonnybthe test for empty is on the whole pref, not the split elements
hope you don't mind me mentioning it :) (just trying to help) 		[18:10]
leagrisyour are of good help [18:12]
mmm preg_split on s+ help remove middle empty entries, but not last entry ;D
well trim will do 		[18:21]
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jonnybleagris: try array_filter($array)
hi marclaporte 		[18:30]
fabricius1polom [18:34]
jonnybhi fabricius1
nice1 ;) 		[18:34]
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fabricius1:-)
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leagrisI am on input proofing tiki_cdn entries, soon an update :) [19:45]
jonnyb:) [19:55]
fabriciusdoes anybody has the WikiSyntax for "unbreakable space" off hand? tiki.org loads ages.
actually doc.tiki.org loads ages 		[20:01]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03leagris r46891 10trunk/lib/ 10headerlib.php 10prefs/tiki.php 10init/smarty.php
tikiwiki [FIX] multi-cdn sanitize cdn preference entries before use + refactoring 		[20:02]
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jonnybhi fabricius - didn't know we had one for that [20:11]
leagrisfabricus whouldn't entering it being enough? non-breaking-space <altgr><space>, non-breaking-short-space <altgr><v> (used it in French typography before composite punctuations like : ; ? …) [20:17]
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lindonb~hs~ is the wiki syntax for non breaking space
doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Syntax+Text 		[20:22]
leagrisNot sure a syntax exist for this one: U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE [20:24]
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lindonbleagris: you're probably right, not familiar with that one [20:26]
leagrisEn français, Il faut un espace court insécable pour séparer les ponctuations composées du texte : « : », « ; », « ? », « … » et les guillemets.
In french, composite punctuations have to be spaced from words, by a short non breaking space. Though a normal size non breaking space is accepted where a short non breaking is not supported. 		[20:28]
lindonbah, I see [20:32]
fabriciuslindonb: thx, I was looking for ~hs~ [20:34]
leagrisWell it si pedantic typography from Imprimerie Nationale. Quebec and other French locale countries don't add any space at all to double punctuations (as in English) ;)
Be sure the LaTeX tools are pedantic enough to follow this rule ;P 		[20:34]
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fabriciusleagris: in german we put the punctuation directly at the last character of a sentence, or of a phrase, etc. and then leave a space after the punctuation: <- this way, <-that way! <- or this way? ... ;-)
leagris: no, very shure, we do not have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space ... maybe we should ask Robert Plummer to get one into the parser? 		[20:37]
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Jyhem_Hi, I'm pretty sure we don't have a WikiSyntax for narrow-non-breaking-space
3-4 years ago, after we switched to UTF8, I did some study on browser support of things like non-breaking spaces, half and quarter spaces, half and quarter non breaking spaces, as entered directly in utf-8. The result was: only non-breaking space ( &nbsp; ) was consistently supported ( at the time) :-(
No point putting a correct U+202F if it is going to be displayed as a ugly "unknown char" square on 30% of browsers.
This is why there is that text on top of tikiwiki/tikiwiki/trunk/lang/fr/language.php
We use only normal-width non breaking spaces, so far.
But things may have improved and if anyone feels like looking up support for these things on current browsers (and probably also mail user agents), feel free :-) 		[20:57]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46892 10branches/ 10(9 files in 8 dirs)
tikiwiki [REF] autosave: Move and tidy edit ajax functions into a new service "Edit" - preview and much cleanup still to do
tikiwiki [FIX] Clean cke attributes & classes from html returned to server
tikiwiki [ENH] Generally nicer :) 		[21:14]
jonnybok, food time now - more later (tomorrow probably) [21:16]
marclaporte1jonnyb: why is there still experimental branch? [21:16]
jonnybi'm making fairly huge refactorings, moving everything into modern services etc (so am like to break something at some point) [21:17]
marclaporte1ok [21:18]
jonnybit's more comfortable making a mess here (i have two sites on cron-synced trunk currently ;) ) [21:18]
marclaporte1It's really nice to see the WYSIWYG energy! [21:18]
jonnybwill merge it all back soon and kill that one - phase 1 already got merged - you played with it?
inline editing 		[21:19]
marclaporte1testing here: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum
got some false positives: http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Lorem+Ipsum&history_offset=1&diff_style=htmldiff&diff_style=htmldiff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=1&paginate=on&history_pagesize=25 		[21:23]
jonnybthat sounds like what i've been fixing this afternoon [21:26]
marclaporte1doing svn up now [21:27]
jonnybyes, it was saving all the ckeditor rubbish in the page
is on experimental branch? 		[21:27]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46893 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js
tikiwiki [FIX] inline: rogue function call 		[21:28]
marclaporte1no, trunk [21:28]
jonnybi'd prefer someone to have a play before i merge this, i also have to tidy up lots more, at least another day (arildb will hopefully do that soon)
shouldn't be too painful to sw to branches/experimental/ckeditor4
? ;) 		[21:29]
marclaporte1will do
By the way, http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php with MySQL is working well!
It's fast 		[21:33]
jonnybyes, seems ok doesn't it [21:34]
marclaporte1LP wrote something about limitation of MySQL size [21:35]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lphuberdeau r46894 10trunk/lib/ 10wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_activitystream.php 10core/Search/MySql/Table.php 10core/Search/MySql/Index.php 10search/searchlib-unified.php
tikiwiki [ENH] Performance improvement on mysql full text search indexing by buffering data, some improved error handling 		[21:36]
Jyhem_Jyhem_ is lost. Which kind of search is http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php ? [21:36]
jonnybJyhem_: tiki-searchindex.php is unified search [21:37]
marclaporte1https://dev.tiki.org/Unified+Search+with+MySQL+Full+Text+Search#tiki-admin.php_page_search_amp_rebuild_now_amp_loggit [21:38]
Jyhem_jonnyb: thanks. so traditional mysql full-text search is tiki-searchresults.php got it [21:38]
jonnybyup [21:39]
Jyhem_And Tiki 12 is the one where we can compare both on speed and relialability before downgrading tiki-searchresults.php. Good [21:40]
jonnybi think that's safest - there is some talk about trying to remove it for 12 [21:41]
marclaporte1lphuberdeau: nextdev.tiki.org seems able to complete now. The error "Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 65535. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs " [21:43]
Jyhem_laptopNo no no ! I have some sites with custom modifications of tiki-searchresults.php Why the hell remove things that work ? [21:43]
marclaporte1demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-html-trunk/ and http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk/ are now running the experimental branch [21:45]
jonnybthanks marclaporte1 (gone?)
http://demo.tiki.org/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk not looking right, but i have to take a break, more later... 		[21:50]
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Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03lindonb r46895 10trunk/lib/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
tikiwiki [ENH] tablesorter: add parameter so that plugins can add row groupings and set the data type for sorting and other minor cleanup 		[22:10]
marclaportelphuberdeau: http://nextdev.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php is very fast with MySQL. Any idea why we are no longer hitting Row size too large.? [22:11]
Tiki-KGBtikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46896 10branches/experimental/ckeditor4/lib/ckeditor_tiki/plugins/inlinesave/plugin.js
tikiwiki [FIX] inline: leave out empty params (parser artifacts - needs fixing in parser)
tikiwiki 03jonnybradley r46897 10branches/ 10(17 files in 10 dirs)
tikiwiki [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 46886 to 46895 		[22:24]
marclaporteI am happy, but wondering because we didn't change the number of field on dev.tiki.org (AFAIK) [22:26]
fabriciusis there somebody else working on bootstrap at the moment? I mean actually trying T-BS3 in Tiki?
I am working with that on a Tiki pre12 to get a closer understandng of all the related concepts and to find out issues, problems, directions early
thus I did setup a little fresh Tiki which I use for testwise concept of proof development, documentation of the steps etc.
bilingual (german and english) ... translating now and then I post the link here
I would like to get some feedback and maybe stick together with people who are on the same or a similar path
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