[00:17] aradace joined #tikiwiki [02:20] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [02:31] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - BigBlueButton not working with new version of BBB 0.81 - http://dev.tiki.org/item4639 [03:40] goj joined #tikiwiki [04:01] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Tiki Live Support System - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48606 [04:11] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Edge Case using LDAP - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48607 [05:42] Caarrie|away joined #tikiwiki [05:42] PenguinMan98 test [05:43] * PenguinMan98 is finally at a point to start making his first tracker [05:52] TomJarvis joined #tikiwiki [05:53] * PenguinMan98 waves to Tom [05:56] TomJarvis PenguinMan98: The IP selector tracker field has to be turned on in Admin Home - Trackers - Field Types tab [05:57] PenguinMan98 oh? [05:57] PenguinMan98 lemme check [05:59] TomJarvis There are several Tracker field types that are not available by default [06:00] PenguinMan98 it's marked an 'experimental' feature [06:01] TomJarvis It has been there since 1.10, I use it in Tiki 9. Doc: https://doc.tiki.org/IP+selector [06:03] * PenguinMan98 shrugs. Then somebody screwed up the config page [06:05] TomJarvis I checked my Tiki 9, it is marked experimental there too. [06:06] PenguinMan98 When things like this sneak in and don't get caught for whole major revisions, it doesn't speak well for other features being well maintained [06:09] TomJarvis Experimental: http://doc.tiki.org/Experimental [06:11] PenguinMan98 so you're suggesting that them being marked experimental is intentional [06:12] TomJarvis Yes. I have been using it in my Tiki 9 user tracker since March, not that long, but I have not had any problems with it. [06:13] PenguinMan98 ok. I've enabled trackerfield ipaddress [06:29] TomJarvis I just turned on IP selector in my test Tiki 11, created a user tracker with an IP selector field, and registered as a user, and it recorded the IP address fine. [06:30] PenguinMan98 I'm staring at a disconnect [06:30] PenguinMan98 I've created the tracker but how to I tell TIKI to attach it to the incoming user registrations? [06:32] TomJarvis In Admin Home - Log in, select "Use tracker to collect more user information" [06:35] TomJarvis After saving, edit the Registered group and select your tracker and save, then select the user selector field and save. [06:38] PenguinMan98 Can I use a tracker to add a new field to the the user registration? [06:40] PenguinMan98 Like, a new visible one? [06:40] PenguinMan98 Would it be pushing it for that question and answer to be chosen randomly from a list? [06:41] TomJarvis You can add many fields to the user registration and make them maditory or not. [06:42] TomJarvis When you have a user tracker, you specify the fields they see in the Registered group "Users Information Tracker Fields Asked at Registration Time" field [06:43] TomJarvis Ramdomly from a list? I don't think that is an option, let me look at the fields available and see if there is anything like that. [06:44] PenguinMan98 And how are the spambots beating the captcha? [06:46] PenguinMan98 And if it's known that the captcha isn't working, why haven't they upgraded it? [06:47] TomJarvis I don't see any field types that would let you have a random question and answer. [06:49] TomJarvis I do not know how they are beating the captcha, I don't use them. [06:49] PenguinMan98 The random question: answer is something that was available in phpbb that really works well. You create a list of questions that are pertinent to your user base. [06:49] PenguinMan98 Nobody outside your user base would be able to answer them [06:49] PenguinMan98 How do you do security? [06:50] TomJarvis You can ask questions and let them select answers, just not random questions. [06:54] * PenguinMan98 shrugs [06:54] PenguinMan98 I just see it as 'only a matter of time' before they write a bot to register in spite of my questions [06:56] PenguinMan98 If I can pop a random question, then that'll take them that much longer [06:56] xavi-mobile joined #tikiwiki [06:57] xavi-mobile PenguinMan98 : did you read this? [06:57] xavi-mobile http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2013-08-11,Sun&sel=53#l49 [06:58] PenguinMan98 I'm still working on capturing those ip addressed. [06:58] PenguinMan98 It's still not working for me [06:58] PenguinMan98 I checked the tiki_tracker_items table and it's empty so I know I must not have set it up correctly [07:00] xavi-mobile The solution with the passcode ia way much simpler to setup, and more similar to your "random question" idea [07:00] PenguinMan98 is this right? http://screencast.com/t/te9uTUlZzwQ [07:00] TomJarvis xavi-mobile: I've been looking into the Code plugin problem. The problem is not with the code plugin, it only fails in forum posts. [07:02] TomJarvis PenguinMan98: No, the field type you selected was "text field", you need to select the field type "IP selector" [07:02] xavi-mobile PenguinMan98: and enable "Action log" and "banning" features and you'll get those ip loged for you with a simple way to ban many in bulk [07:03] * PenguinMan98 rubs his temples. I feel like I need to attend a one week class on how to do this... [07:03] xavi-mobile TomJarvis: i wish you knew how to fix (it's beyond my skills). Maybe request help at the tiki developers list ? [07:04] PenguinMan98 better: http://screencast.com/t/fsoP58mw [07:04] PenguinMan98 ? [07:05] Anzhe_m joined #tikiwiki [07:05] xavi-mobile PenguinMan98: you need a month to master trackers (if not more). You need 1h to enable and master action log + banning [07:05] * PenguinMan98 nods. [07:06] PenguinMan98 both action log and banning are already enabled [07:06] PenguinMan98 have been [07:07] xavi-mobile See http://doc.tiki.org/ActionLog [07:07] xavi-mobile You get ips logged there. Config what to log [07:08] PenguinMan98 I hate doc tiki http://screencast.com/t/mIi5oL5m3 [07:08] PenguinMan98 not only is it information barf, but it's rarely for the right version [07:09] xavi-mobile Action+Log then? [07:11] xavi-mobile (Plus add an alias to the other name in that page). I'm on smartphone, while waiting to be taken to hospital in short (not my best moment to do all this myself for you) [07:12] PenguinMan98 oh my word xavi! [07:13] xavi-mobile PenguinMan98, feel free to help the community also with improvements to doc.tiki.org pages, which are written by users like you and me, etc ;-) [07:13] PenguinMan98 I created an account to do exactly that [07:13] PenguinMan98 but I don't really have the time [07:13] PenguinMan98 ask ricks99. I've already contributed to t4s [07:14] PenguinMan98 just a hair [07:14] PenguinMan98 but with the advent of version 11, It probably needs to be changed [07:14] xavi-mobile If you have the time to ask for answers, you pribably have some time to contribute back what you learned [07:15] xavi-mobile Hospital time. Cheers [07:15] PenguinMan98 I intend to [07:53] Telesight joined #tikiwiki [07:57] Telesight For the storage engine, is it wise to select InnoDB when one uses MySQL 5.5 ? [07:59] PenguinMan98 InnoDB is slower but more fully featured than MyISAM [07:59] PenguinMan98 Depends on your needs [08:01] Telesight PenguinMan98: What do I miss when I use MyISAM (mainly)? [08:01] PenguinMan98 The database won't use foreign keys so it's possible that some of the tables might get erroneus data [08:02] PenguinMan98 And it can't use triggers so it will use longer scripts with more queries [08:02] * PenguinMan98 shrugs. Stuff like that [08:05] Telesight The first item sounds serious and the second makes it slower I guess ... [08:14] Telesight Penguinman98: With InnoDB I will give up select statement performance and the ability to do full text search indexes. [08:18] PenguinMan98 Yes on the first, I dont' know on the second [08:26] Telesight Penguinman98: Full text search is also possible on InnoDB (according to info on the web) [08:26] PenguinMan98 Yes, but can't myisam do that too? [08:26] PenguinMan98 that's what I don't knwo [08:36] Telesight Penguinman98: MyISAM can do full text search and since a few years InnoDB can do this too. [08:36] PenguinMan98 Well, that's good to know then! [08:36] PenguinMan98 Thanks! [08:37] Telesight But InnoDB has a better database integrity system as you said and that is important to me. [08:47] PenguinMan98 in my experience the occurence of bad data is ignorable [08:50] Telesight Ok, thanks for your answers. [08:53] PenguinMan98 no sweat [08:54] PenguinMan98 I'm no expert by any means [08:54] PenguinMan98 But so far, I use innodb and I don't have any issues with speed [08:54] PenguinMan98 I prefer features over speed myself. [08:55] Telesight Yes it it is just a matter of a bigger CPU ;-) [09:03] PenguinMan98 In todays day n age and the loads I've seen on sites like these, that's usually not an issue [09:11] Telesight Penguinman: So Tikwiki will run smoothly on a little server .... [09:21] PenguinMan98 I only have one issue with the speed in which the main page loads [09:33] Telesight Penguinman: Do you use Tikiwiki for a website system? [09:39] PenguinMan98 Yes [09:39] PenguinMan98 http://www.mlpnwrp.com [09:42] Telesight Nice, runs smoothly ... [09:42] Telesight What template do you use? [09:47] PenguinMan98 I made my own based off of ... [09:48] PenguinMan98 dang, I don't remember [09:48] PenguinMan98 possibly jqui [09:50] Telesight Ok, looks nice. [09:54] TomJarvis|2 joined #tikiwiki [09:55] PenguinMan98 ty [10:04] TomJarvis|2 byr [10:04] TomJarvis|2 bye [10:06] * PenguinMan98 hugs TomJarvis a million times over for his help tonight [10:12] redflo joined #tikiwiki [10:24] * PenguinMan98 must dash [11:38] justme_ joined #tikiwiki [11:38] justme_ hi [12:28] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47060 10trunk * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/11.x 47027 to 47059 [12:30] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r47061 10trunk/ 10styles/layout/design.css 10lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_cookieconsent.php [12:30] Tiki-KGB [ENH] cookie consent: Set more useful defaults for params so it does something useful with no params set, and refactor html building so it's only needed once (thanks Geoff ;) [12:56] fidel hi - is there a way to display a list of all articles in my tiki which are not in a category? [13:06] rodrigoprimo joined #tikiwiki [13:09] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - Custom Search on a simple tracker doesn't work for me with the basic example in doc.t.o - http://dev.tiki.org/item4640 [13:15] nkoth|nelson joined #tikiwiki [13:37] nkoth|nelson joined #tikiwiki [14:17] pascalstjean joined #tikiwiki [15:25] Notre1 joined #tikiwiki [15:29] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [15:49] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - Search issue when using CustomSearch with MySQL Full Text Search as the Index - http://dev.tiki.org/item4641 [17:04] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [17:09] aalex joined #tikiwiki [17:19] PenguinMan98 joined #tikiwiki [17:21] * PenguinMan98 implements an extra question on his registration form. Wakes up to 9 new spam users and each made a spam forum post [17:21] * PenguinMan98 cries softly [17:21] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [17:24] marclaporte PenguinMan98: there is a new registration protection in latest versions of Tiki 6, 9, 10, and 11 [17:24] PenguinMan98 How? [17:26] marclaporte tiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" [17:27] PenguinMan98 How is that different from using a tracker to add a new question to the registration form and validating that it must be a certain string? [17:31] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [17:40] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [17:51] TomJarvis joined #tikiwiki [17:53] TomJarvis PenguinMan98: if you view the source of your registration page, you can find your "secret" word in the code. [17:53] PenguinMan98 tiki put it there, not me [17:54] TomJarvis Yes, but that may be why it is not working for you [17:54] PenguinMan98 Well, then the 'validate this field' needs to have an option to turn off client side validation but keep server side validation. [17:58] PenguinMan98 I"m convinced that that's how they beat the captcha. If you submit the form without entering the captcha, the page reloads with an error and a validator that removes the error when you type the captcha correctly [17:58] PenguinMan98 The value in the captcha MUST be present in that validator [18:04] TomJarvis I think the validation option was added to improve the input data, not to block the person that entered the data if they got it wrong [18:07] Jyhem_ The difference with "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" is that the latter displays the passcode in javascript, and was meant for spam control [18:09] PenguinMan98 @marc, so it ONLY does client-side validation? [18:10] PenguinMan98 @Jyhem_ I'll set that up then and see if that's any better [18:11] PenguinMan98 @both, if I remove the visible field from the tracker, then the tracker won't catch the ip addresses of the spammers anymore. Not that that turns out to be particularly useful anyway since it seems they're using proxies [18:12] xavi joined #tikiwiki [18:14] marclaporte polom [18:14] xavi pompom [18:14] PenguinMan98 hey xavi. All better today? [18:15] xavi yes, kind-of. My body will take long to fully recover. [18:15] xavi But yes, every day, better than the day before, thanks :-) [18:16] xavi so, marclaporte, have you tried already the TowTruck widget? ( https://doc.tiki.org/PluginTowTruck ) [18:17] PenguinMan98 @marclaporte there is no option tiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" [18:17] PenguinMan98 I know I've seen it, but it's not here [18:17] xavi PenguinMan98: I told you that already, I think:. Admin > login [18:17] PenguinMan98 yeah, I was just checking there [18:19] PenguinMan98 there is a 'require a passcode' here, but not a 'display passcode on registration page' [18:20] xavi click on the first, just in case this displays the extra options.... [18:21] PenguinMan98 tried that. Nope3 [18:22] aalex joined #tikiwiki [18:22] xavi you are right, PenguinMan98. Save the setting of the first option, and when page reloaded, you'll see the extra options [18:22] PenguinMan98 I was wondering if that would do that. [18:24] PenguinMan98 No, that doesn't work either [18:24] marclaporte "Show passcode on registration form" has been successful in many sites. Maybe it's tagged as experimental? [18:25] PenguinMan98 I'm using 10.4 [18:25] marclaporte xavi: I didn't try but looked at video. This co-editing / browsing is what we need :-) [18:26] PenguinMan98 http://screencast.com/t/U9mw7YZKA4B3 [18:26] PenguinMan98 I have all 4 checkboxes checked [18:26] dhazel joined #tikiwiki [18:26] marclaporte I just activated here: http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-admin.php?page=security [18:27] PenguinMan98 there is a password 'generator' you can see there. But not a 'show password' [18:27] marclaporte PenguinMan98: you didn't follow my instructions [18:27] marclaporte tiki-admin.php?page=security -> Spam protection -> Use "Require passcode to register" and "Show passcode on registration form" [18:28] xavi and maybe, click at save just after this setting: "Require passcode to register" [18:28] xavi in order to see the next setting [18:28] PenguinMan98 where? http://screencast.com/t/B0hnc7puU0E [18:28] PenguinMan98 xavi: tried that. Didn't work [18:29] marclaporte Looks like you have 10.2? [18:29] PenguinMan98 10.4 [18:29] marclaporte http://screencast.com/t/B0hnc7puU0E mentions 10.2 [18:30] PenguinMan98 I was pretty sure I got 10.4 out of the box when I initially installed... [18:30] PenguinMan98 lemme check [18:30] xavi PenguinMan98: see it here: http://demo.tiki.org/10x/tiki-admin.php?page=login [18:30] PenguinMan98 and as far as that goes, it's also telling me to upgrade 10.4 to 10.4 so I'm not inclined to trust it [18:30] marclaporte yeah, that message is wonky!! [18:31] marclaporte check changelog.txt [18:31] PenguinMan98 System is telling me it's 10.2 MyISAM [18:32] PenguinMan98 I was operating under the impression I was on 10.4 innodb [18:33] PenguinMan98 but then I've installed and re-installed a few times [18:33] PenguinMan98 maybe something got borked [18:34] PenguinMan98 my tiki still won't send emails [18:34] PenguinMan98 I saw int he changelog that they switch to zendmail in tiki 11 [18:34] PenguinMan98 So I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully that'll fix my email woes [18:40] xavi marclaporte: about co-editing browsing with towtruck: unlukily it doesn't work right now with wiki pages [18:40] xavi wiki editor has the concurrent edit lock in the way, it seems [18:40] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - 10.2 is misreporting major upgrade - http://dev.tiki.org/item4642 [18:41] xavi and plugin wysiwyg in a wiki page, which doesn't warn about concurrent edition conflict, doesn't display text from both writers at the same time [18:41] xavi so maybe there is some "low hanging fruit" out there somewhere to make "at least" towtruck work to co-write wiki pages somehow for tiki 12 LTS. [18:42] xavi I know twotruck is not the perfect solution, but it could be a happy tools in between for the next LTS version of Tiki, to co-author meeting minutes in real time, project planning, etc. [18:51] xavi pascalstjean: ? [18:52] marclaporte PenguinMan98: I reproduced the issue about 10.2 on show.tiki.org : http://dev.tiki.org/item4642 [18:52] marclaporte show.tiki.org is pretty awesome [18:52] xavi marclaporte: yes, excellent job! [18:52] pascalstjean hi Xavi [18:53] PenguinMan98 I saw you created a bug report for it [18:53] xavi hi. see pm [18:56] xavi pascalstjean: see pm [19:03] PenguinMan98 so are we saying 10.2 does not have said security 'show password on registration page' option? [19:05] xavi PenguinMan98: regardless of that answer, you can add it by hand (for older tikis) as indicated here: http://doc.tiki.org/Anti-Spam [19:05] PenguinMan98 boink. permission denied [19:05] xavi did you log in? [19:06] PenguinMan98 I will but why is that page permission controlled? [19:06] xavi some people suggested not to show the trick to the world of bots and spammers that were not even registered to tiki [19:07] PenguinMan98 makes sense to me [19:08] marclaporte show password on registration page: not on 10.2 indeed [19:08] PenguinMan98 Yet did you not say it was in 6 and 9? [19:09] TomJarvis It is on 9 [19:09] PenguinMan98 Also, my doc tiki password isn't working. And there is no reset button [19:10] xavi marclaporte: 'php console.php index:rebuild' produces: Abnormal termination. Unless it was killed manually, it likely ran out of memory. [19:10] xavi marclaporte: shall I retry and retry manually assuming that each step some more content is indexed? [19:12] * xavi has attempted to re-index like 5 times already.... [19:16] xavi PenguinMan98: your doc.t.o password is the same one as in tiki.org. Can't you re-send a new one in tiki.org? [19:17] xavi http://tiki.org/tiki-remind_password.php [19:21] xavi ok, time to leave for me [19:21] xavi see you all [19:21] xavi left #tikiwiki [19:29] pascalstjean not sure what question was or is directed to me [19:30] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - Make it possible to add more than one show instance for a specific tracker item - http://dev.tiki.org/item4643 [20:10] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - show.tiki.org: Database Version Problem - http://dev.tiki.org/item4644 [20:34] TomJarvis Bye [20:44] pascalstjean joined #tikiwiki [21:31] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: TrackerList Plugin Category Filter - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=48624 [21:40] robertr joined #tikiwiki [21:40] robertr Hello all [21:55] robertr changi: I read that you are the goto person for the key to use PHPstorm for open source coding. How do I correctly make a request for the key? [21:55] Emenems joined #tikiwiki [21:56] pascalstjean joined #tikiwiki [22:15] robertr Take care all [22:22] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [22:40] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [22:52] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Category display on Wiki page - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=48625 [23:02] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Search not working after Upgrade - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=48626 [23:18] PenguinMan98 Well, it's been 5 hours since I've had a spam registration. This is a good sign [23:25] marclaporte PenguinMan98: :-) [23:26] PenguinMan98 though it still gets my dander up that the user can put anything in the world they like in that text field to complete the registration. Yet somehow, the bot can't figure that out [23:30] * PenguinMan98 shrugs [23:48] changi joined #tikiwiki