[00:08] Tiki-KGB 03marclaporte r48289 10branches/12.x/lang/fr/language.php * typo
[00:40] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r48290 10(7 files in 6 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 48283 to 48289
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[11:53] xavi polom
[11:53] xavi luci@irc around ?
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[12:19] xavi re-polom
[12:19] jonnyb Thank polom it's Friday
[12:19] jonnyb hi xavi
[12:19] xavi anyone with the ability to change the channel topic?
[12:19] xavi hi jonny@irc
[12:20] jonnyb not i, i'm afraid - luciash i think but he's away
[12:20] xavi ok
[12:20] ricks99 polom y'all
[12:20] * xavi should learn how to do that (and request perms to be able to do it)
[12:20] jonnyb hi ricks99 too
[12:20] xavi hi ricks99
[12:20] jonnyb thanks for the comms on the new releases (as always ;) )
[12:20] ricks99 thnx to all devs!
[12:21] xavi :-)
[12:22] ricks99 hows your weather jonnyb? recovering from stroms?
[12:22] jonnyb fine thanks
[12:23] ricks99 good to hear
[12:23] jonnyb was only a little storm (compared to '87) - mostly it was the weather forecasters covering their backs (after totally missing the 87 hurricane!)
[12:24] jonnyb probably the sort of thing you get a couple of time a year :)
[12:24] ricks99 yup... tho been a very slow hurricane season so far.
[12:24] * ricks99 keeps his fingers crossed
[12:36] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48291 10branches/12.x/templates/wizard/admin_wizard.tpl
[12:36] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Don't break sentences for translation, since in other languages the order of the sentence segments might be different, etc.
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[12:40] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Recover missing info with current strings set at this step. I'm still unsure whether 'Raw text' is more meaningful for new users than the former 'Text only' for the non-wysiwyg editor type.
[12:44] jonnyb xavi: i was wondering about that page of the wizard
[12:44] xavi go on
[12:44] jonnyb i think "Raw text" isn't a common (English) expression
[12:44] xavi any better idea?
[12:44] jonnyb "Plain text" maybe?
[12:44] jonnyb vs Rich
[12:45] xavi aha... +1 for plain text, or simple text
[12:45] jonnyb think that's the common pair
[12:45] xavi the idea is "only non-wysiwyg" vs "wysiwyg"
[12:45] jonnyb plain better than simple i think
[12:45] xavi but this needs to be said in common words for non techies
[12:45] jonnyb indeed - let me svn up and look at the page
[12:46] jonnyb (and get more cooffee)
[12:46] jonnyb ooo :)
[12:46] xavi ok, feel free to improve, with British English if you prefer
[12:46] jonnyb what does rick think i wonder? (oh, gone)
[12:46] xavi I'm ok with USA Eng or UK Eng...
[12:47] jonnyb should be International English as standard, we can translate :)
[12:47] xavi :-)
[12:48] xavi Ok, glad you can recognize International English :-), I'm never sure if I can for sure
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[12:54] ricks99 re-polom y'all
[12:56] jonnyb re-hi ricks99
[12:57] jonnyb xavi and i were discussing the best terminology for "wiki" editor vs "wysiwyg" in non-techie terms
[12:57] jonnyb i think "plain" vs "rich" is fairly commonly understood here...
[12:58] ricks99 i like wiki markup vs. wysiwyg. plain and rich aren't very descriptive.
[12:58] xavi but there is something else: if they choose "wiki", wysiwyg will not be enabled. However, if they choose "wysiwyg", in the next screen they will be able to indicate that wysiwyg is (or not) the default editor, which makes that selection as "wiki" editor by default but with wysiwyg enable forr those with permissions
[12:58] jonnyb but wysiwyg uses wiki markup
[12:59] xavi that's why the word "only" or similar should be indicated in the "plain" option
[12:59] jonnyb so really you're asking "disable wysiwyg" or allow it?
[12:59] xavi yes, kind of, but for people that don't know what "wysiwyg" is
[12:59] jonnyb so how about - wysiwyg: disable or configure?
[13:00] jonnyb they shouldn't be tiki admins then ;)
[13:00] xavi he he :-)
[13:00] ricks99 y. wiki syntax is always an option. it is wysiwyg that is being enalbed/disabled
[13:00] jonnyb we're not talking about "users" here
[13:00] xavi anyway, that was the rationale I deduced from the code from arildb
[13:00] jonnyb exacto ricks99 - disable or configure makes sense here
[13:01] ricks99 +1
[13:01] jonnyb maybe add a not about what wysiwyg means if you think necessary
[13:01] xavi ok, go ahead if you see it clear, then
[13:01] jonnyb or even a note
[13:01] jonnyb can do, but have about 20 hours of big fixes to do
[13:02] jonnyb might get to it later ;)
[13:02] xavi ok, I'll do then, jonnyb, no problem :-)
[13:02] jonnyb [
[13:02] jonnyb oops
[13:02] xavi :-D
[13:02] jonnyb ok, side by side translate for me next :)
[13:02] xavi go, jonny, go! :-)
[13:03] * xavi is very glad jonnyb can fix all those annoying bugs
[13:03] jonnyb :)
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[13:04] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - WYSIWYG Acting Strange - http://dev.tiki.org/item4834
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[13:18] xavi doc.tiki.org veeeeery slow from my end
[13:18] xavi probably fast from the Western side of the Atlantic?
[13:21] ricks99 seems ok on my side of the pond
[13:22] luciash polom
[13:22] ricks99 but the default tiki.org (aka info.tiki.org) is DEADLY slow
[13:22] ricks99 although direct urls (such as info.tiki.org/Get+Tiki work fine)
[13:23] * luciash hopes changi is investigating
[13:23] luciash xavi: wanted me ?
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[13:24] xavi hi luci@irc. Can you cahnge the topic of the channel, to reflect the new version numbers?
[13:25] xavi ricks99: to me that the pond makes things slow when information has to cross it
[13:25] Topic for #tikiwikiis now Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - the Free and Open Source Web Application with the most built-in features! Tiki 11.0 (Vega), 10.4, 9.6 & 6.12 LTS is out! Question? Just ask! We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log)
[13:25] luciash 13:24 -!- Topic set by marclaporte [~marclapor@69-165-165-53.dsl.teksavvy.com] [Mon Oct 7 00:50:07 2013]
[13:25] luciash 13:24 < xavi> hi luci@irc. Can you cahnge the topic of the channel, to reflect the new version numbers? [13:25] [@luciash(+i)] [2:freenode/#tikiwiki(+nt)] [Act: 1,3]
[13:25] luciash [#tikiwiki] /topic
[13:25] xavi t.o might be in EU? while the other sites are mostly in USA/Canada maybe?
[13:25] Tiki|bot tw.o or t.o is just a shortcut referring to the official website of the project: http://tiki.org
[13:25] Topic for #tikiwikiis now Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - the Free and Open Source Web Application with the most built-in features! Tiki 11.1 (Vega), 10.5, 9.7 & 6.13 LTS is out! Question? Just ask! We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log)
[13:25] xavi thanks Tiki|bot
[13:26] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48293 10branches/12.x/templates/wizard/admin_editor_type.tpl
[13:26] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Usability. Attempt to clarify in International English what each option does, with simple words for new admins. Thanks jonnyb and ricks99. Feel free to improve anyone the wording while keeping a similar meaning on each option
[13:26] luciash xavi: i wonder why you keep calling me luci@irc ? :)
[13:26] jonnyb jonnyb@irc wonders that too
[13:27] xavi mmm, ah, ok, :-), my fault then. I might have renamed your nick while on irc to this name, and pidgin shows that name for you
[13:27] luciash lol, ok :)
[13:28] xavi same for jonnyb@irc. That means that I have your contacts also with jabber or others, probably, and I kept that name in pidgin to use distinct names for your account, all used from the same pidgin
[13:28] luciash dunno how to make it highlighted to me tho
[13:29] xavi ok, jonnyb and luciash, renamed in my contact list in my usual program for chats (pidgin)
[13:30] luciash xavi: much appreciated :)
[13:30] xavi :-D
[13:31] ricks99 feel free to rename me something more interesting than "ricks99" :)
[13:34] xavi :-D :-D
[13:36] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48294 10branches/12.x/templates/wizard/admin_editor_type.tpl
[13:36] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Improve wording to keep naming differently the 'Full Wysiwyg Editor', aside of the 'Inline Wysiwyg Editor'.
[13:36] xavi s/ricks99/Rick-the-excellent-books-writer
[13:36] ricks99 lol
[13:37] * ricks99 impressed that he still has the #1, best-selling Tiki book of all-time, on Amazon ;)
[13:37] luciash lol
[13:38] ricks99 luciash: you're seeing slowness on info.t.o too, right? but is it ok (speed-wise) if you go directly to a URL (not just the home page)?
[13:39] luciash ricks99: as i wrote to the admins@t.o, yes
[13:40] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48295 10branches/12.x/templates/wizard/admin_files.tpl * [FIX]Typo
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[13:41] ricks99 k. tx
[13:54] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48296 10branches/12.x/ 10templates/wizard/admin_features.tpl 10lib/prefs/feature.php
[13:54] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Usablity. Keep feature descriptions inside the standard description field of the feature, that can be read on mouse over, to keep the interface clean and consistent with the other wizard pages. Feel free to improve descriptions
[14:38] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48297 10branches/12.x/lang/ca/language.php * A few strings updated
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[14:56] Tiki-KGB 03xavidp r48298 10branches/12.x/lang/ca/language.php * User Wizard translated at last (finally!)
[14:56] xavi c u all
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[15:06] Tiki-KGB 03manivannans r48299 10branches/12.x/styles/layout/design.css
[15:06] Tiki-KGB [FIX] Design change has made, to avoid white spacing in Internet Explorer, while editing wikipages.
[15:27] Jyhem polom
[15:28] jonnyb hi Jyhem
[15:31] Jyhem hi jonnyb
[15:32] * Jyhem waking up :)
[15:33] Jyhem Just a reminder, folks: securing Tiki is nice, but keeping php up to date is also good.
[15:35] jonnyb tell the Debian guys ;)
[15:35] * Jyhem spent the night recovering a hacked server (/cgi-bin/php5?blabla direct attack with php_fcgi)
[15:35] jonnyb ew, nasty
[15:35] jonnyb very out of date?
[15:36] Jyhem I'm sure they keep php patched; i was just too lazy to plan downtime on my server, so I was late in updates
[15:36] Jyhem probably 6 month-ish.
[15:37] jonnyb i've found minor php updates have been ok - no down-time (that i've noticed ;) )
[15:37] jonnyb but i'm a very poor sys-admin
[15:37] jonnyb brb
[15:37] Jyhem I regularly do upgrades until there is a kernel upgrade, then i shy away because of all the parallel unfinished work in various tmux tabs :-(
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[15:38] Jyhem and then everything slips
[15:38] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r48300 10branches/12.x/ 10styles/layout/design.css 10lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js 10templates/tiki-editpage.tpl
[15:38] Tiki-KGB [FIX] edit page: More fixes for full-screen modes, especially side-by-side translation. Still too much being done by javascript, should be more css but works better in more themes now (doesn't look great when loading, that could be improved sometime soon...)
[15:38] jabber looking for help after upgrading please
[15:39] jabber upgraded from 5.3 to 6 and images on the pages will not display. However the file gallery is working fine
[15:41] jonnyb hi jabber
[15:41] Jyhem That's weird. If you see broken images, can you right-click and see the actual image path?
[15:41] jabber Hello
[15:42] jonnyb is it a public site? i'll have a look (start the msg with [off] if you don't want it logged or pm me)
[15:42] jabber Yes, it is on local host
[15:42] jonnyb indeed, or right click and open in a new window/tab
[15:43] jabber K
[15:43] jonnyb 6 was such a long time ago...
[15:43] Jyhem I suppose you have done admin→Tiki Cache/Sysadmin → clear all ?
[15:43] jonnyb wonder if it's an encoding thing - had a few in those day
[15:44] jabber Yes - cleared cache
[15:44] jabber I did run the UTF 8 conversion when I did the install
[15:44] jabber I exported the production DB and did a fresh install with 6
[15:44] ricks99 are images stored in the db or filesystem?
[15:45] jonnyb sometimes you get an error message if you go to youtiki.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=42
[15:45] jabber file sys
[15:45] jabber I compare URLs from the prod to local host for the page images and they are different for sure
[15:46] jabber I used the new .htaccess file with 6 as instructed
[15:46] Jyhem is the file sys directory readable by apache?
[15:46] jonnyb so they're stuff like .../display42?
[15:47] jabber {img fileId="197" thumb="y" align="center" }
[15:47] jabber that is in rev 6
[15:48] jabber 
[15:48] jabber that is rev 5.3
[15:49] jabber If you click on the broken image link, it will display the image from the gallery
[15:49] jonnyb you mean the img plugin's not being parsed? - you see in {img fileId="197" thumb="y" align="center" } the browser page source?
[15:49] jabber yes
[15:49] jonnyb that's well weird
[15:50] jonnyb what's the page (wiki) source? same?
[15:50] jonnyb or are you using the {picture} or {img} plugin syntax?
[15:51] jonnyb sorry, {image} not {img}
[15:51] jabber it looks like img
[15:52] jabber the page is the same tiki-index.php
[15:52] jonnyb and it's the same for all images?
[15:53] jonnyb check you actually have the file /lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_img.php maybe?
[15:53] jabber yes, as far as I can tell. Weird that it is just the page thumbs
[15:54] jabber k
[15:54] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - Report on tiki.org sites monitoring - http://dev.tiki.org/item4836
[15:55] jabber plugins/wikiplugin_img.php - it's there
[15:55] jonnyb how so?
[15:57] jabber I'm going to grab the old file for kicks
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[16:01] jabber no difference using the older file rev
[16:02] jabber jonnyb - any other ideas that you can think of to try?
[16:03] jonnyb so what is the actual difference in the image urls being rendered?
[16:05] jabber here is 6 - 
[16:06] jabber here is 5.3 - 
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[16:12] jonnyb ok, i get a "Not Found" for that syntax on my 6.x (e.g. http://localhost/tiki/branches/6.x/display22&x=120&y=47 )
[16:14] jonnyb ok, i had my RewriteBase set wrong in my 6.x .htaccess - i need it to be "RewriteBase /tiki/branches/6.x"
[16:15] jonnyb is your localhost tiki at the server root? if not you need a RewriteBase
[16:15] jabber Can I add it to .htaccess
[16:16] jonnyb yes, just before the RewriteRules
[16:16] jonnyb there should be a commented out example in there
[16:16] jabber let me take a look
[16:18] jabber I see the rules - do just add RewriteBase /tiki/branches/6.x
[16:18] jabber sorry, a bit over my head here.
[16:19] jonnyb if that's where your tiki is
[16:19] jonnyb what's the url to your local tiki?
[16:19] jabber .htaccess is in the root of my web
[16:20] jabber localhost/chip
[16:20] jonnyb so you probably need RewriteBase /chip
[16:20] jabber K
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[16:25] jabber I added RewriteBase /chip to .htaccess and it is still the same issue
[16:28] jabber Is that the correct syntax or does it need "/chip"
[16:30] jonnyb what's the actual url you are trying?
[16:30] jonnyb is it http://localhost/chip/display197&x=120&y=47
[16:31] jabber yes
[16:32] jabber And that pulls the image up just fine
[16:32] jonnyb ok, so that's fixed htaccess, but still no images in the page?
[16:33] jonnyb try turning sefurl off (alternatively)
[16:33] jabber correct, it is the thumb for that image
[16:33] jabber I did try sef off, no difference
[16:35] jabber Interesting - In Admin is says new version 5.4 is available, you are running 6.13
[16:37] jabber I just inserted a new image on the page, no thumb but when I click on the broken link it will pull the image up.
[16:38] jonnyb that version thing took until 11.1 to fix (hopefully) - it's surprisingly tricky
[16:38] jonnyb emptied caches recently?
[16:38] jabber I can imagine.
[16:39] jabber yep
[16:43] jabber Where are the image URLs parsed? If sef is off I assume that .htaccess is out of the picture
[16:44] jonnyb yes, .htaccess is for sefurl rewriting
[16:45] jonnyb so are you getting the images opening ok if you "open image in new window" but they're still not there in the page?
[16:46] jabber Images open that way or if I just click on the broken image link on the page
[16:47] jonnyb really sounds like a cacheing thing - emptied browser cache recently?
[16:47] jabber Yes
[16:47] jabber Tried different browsers as well FF, IE, Chrome
[16:53] jabber I'm going to turn on PHP error reporting
[16:58] jabber I'm getting a lot of E_NOTICE errors but other than that nothing more
[17:00] jabber I have sef off and decided to restart Apache and they are appearing on the page now
[17:02] jonnyb coo - maybe something cacheing (or something) in apache
[17:02] jonnyb still - you good now?
[17:03] jabber Good for now. I will turn sef back on and see if it still works. Thanks for all your help btw.
[17:03] jabber have a good weekend!
[17:06] jabber It must be relate to .htacess and the sef, when it is turned back on, I loose the thumbs on the page.
[17:06] jonnyb weird - hopefully just a local artefact
[17:10] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r48302 10branches/12.x/route.php * [FIX] Add error logging on no route found
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[17:14] Tiki-KGB [FIX] perms: Restore hierarchical display of groups according to inheritance (lost in 11.x treetable update)
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[17:15] Talad Hi, I need help on tikwiki , I did an upgrade some time ago to Tikiwiki 7.1
[17:16] Talad and all seemed fine
[17:16] Talad but I didn't check the 'articles'
[17:16] Talad today I checked some articles and those display as completely blank, giving this error on apache error log:
[17:17] Talad PHP Fatal error: Class 'Image' not found in /var/www/html/tikiwiki/tiki-read_article.php on line 111
[17:17] Talad seems I cannot access any of the articles... :(
[17:18] jonnyb hi Talad - that doesn't sound good
[17:19] jonnyb could be something to do with the php "gd" library? do you see that in your phpinfo?
[17:20] Talad mmm... good hint
[17:21] Talad seems not present
[17:21] Talad and we moved to another server recently
[17:22] Talad and we moved to another server recently
[17:22] Talad apt-get install php-gd ?
[17:23] jonnyb something like that, yes
[17:24] Talad found
[17:25] Talad php5-gd
[17:25] Talad jonnyb: totally worked!
[17:25] Talad I see my articles again
[17:26] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r48304 10branches/12.x/lib/wiki/wikilib.php * [FIX] Renaming page was not removing old name from index
[17:26] Talad I can gift you a free account for our project :) www.planeshift.it
[17:26] Talad if you would ever need anything in game, ping me
[17:27] jonnyb yay woo! :)
[17:28] jonnyb ah sweet, thanks - but i don't really play games, i code for fun! :D
[17:29] jonnyb my bro-in-law would love it though ;)
[17:29] Talad we are an open source project and all accounts are free :)
[17:29] Talad so you can just give him the url
[17:30] jonnyb will do, thanks :)
[17:30] Talad many thanks for your help
[17:36] * Talad and the broken toolchain
[17:36] Talad :)
[17:36] Talad see you soon!
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[17:38] Tiki-KGB [FIX] perms: Select hidden groups when clicking select all checkbox, but others (like the huge perms list) only affect the visible ones (re wish4835, thanks marclaporte)
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[19:34] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - Preference filters show weird features choice (regression) - http://dev.tiki.org/item4837
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[19:59] dlech I am on tiki 11.1 and I have notice in my web server logs that I am getting HTTP error 400 for http://lechnology.com/KeeAgent%2bInstallation
[20:00] dlech %2b is the url encoding for +, so it should work
[20:00] jonnyb hi dlech - what is 400?
[20:00] dlech Also the referring page is just http://lechnology.com which doesn't actually have any links to that page, so I don't know where it is coming from
[20:00] dlech johhnyb: error 400 is page not found
[20:01] jonnyb thought that was 404?
[20:03] dlech sorry, you are right, I am getting error 404
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[20:13] jonnyb ah, dlech - the if the plus is encoded then it means a plus, not a space
[20:14] jonnyb are these normal wiki page links?
[20:15] dlech The problem is that I don't know where the link is coming from. According to the web server logs, it is coming from my home page, but there are not any links for that on my home page.
[20:16] dlech I suppose it could be coming from another site.
[20:19] jonnyb some javascript perhaps?
[20:22] dlech I am looking at the logs some more. It seems all of the offending entries are from Chrome on Windows 8.
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[20:34] Tiki|bot Recent Bug: - http://nextthemes.tiki.org/tiki-all_languages.php?page=CSS showing wrong template - http://dev.tiki.org/item4838
[20:39] dlech And all version 27 (of chrome) at that. And that is the only request from each IP that makes that request. Maybe it is some kind of bot.
[21:12] jonnyb dlech: doesn't sound like it's coming from inside tiki anyway?
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[21:56] Tiki-KGB [FIX] Make a new TikiFilter for wikicontent and deploy on tracker items text input. Will affect a few other areas such as wiki page saves but seems fine here so far...
[21:58] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r48309 10branches/12.x/lib/core/Tracker/Field/TextArea.php
[21:58] Tiki-KGB [FIX] trackers: Handle process_save_plugins properly for multilingual fields - surprisingly tricky ;)
[22:08] Tiki-KGB 03jonnybradley r48310 10(28 files in 16 dirs) * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/12.x 48289 to 48309
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