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[16:42] ricks99 joined #tikiwiki [16:53] Jyhem polom [17:04] Jyhem jonnyb: I am in the process of doing more checking on a show instance and it looks good so far. Well, good for Tiki, not for me and my site which needs upgrading [17:12] jonnyb hi Jyhem [17:13] jonnyb you mean checking the ~np~ html thing? [17:14] ricks99 left #tikiwiki [17:15] Jyhem Yes ! [17:16] Jyhem So far, I have discovered that you were correct (not that that is big news) [17:16] Jyhem I do not really need the non-parsed thing for my purposes [17:19] Jyhem I tried in wikipage [17:19] Jyhem grrrr, what is the last modified stuff module called ? [17:20] Jyhem ah: since las visit [17:22] Jyhem So, there is a change in behaviour for non-parsed but non-parsed is now much less useful. I saw it's needed for urls to be shown without being links, but mostly, unneeded [17:23] Jyhem http://jyhem-9952-5172.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=experiment+on+non+parsing ← that works [17:23] Jyhem http://jyhem-9952-5172.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?postId=1 ← just as well [17:23] jonnyb i thought ~np~ was just for displaying wiki syntax in doc pages etc - like showing plugin syntax etc [17:25] jonnyb i don't follow what you mean by "html-parsing" - do you mean html encoding? (or decoding) [17:25] Jyhem In Tiki9, all html was html-parsed (or broken with ), so it required escaping using ~np~ :-( [17:26] Jyhem I mean text is bold when html is parsed [17:26] jonnyb the are for sanitizing rather than parsing - html doesn't get "parsed" on the server, but in the browser [17:26] jonnyb right, but that's not a server-side thing [17:26] Jyhem and shows as here when not parsed [17:27] jonnyb that's becasue the wiki parser encodes it (turns < into < etc) so the browser displays is as "source" [17:27] jonnyb unless allowHtml is on [17:27] Jyhem well, if you prefer, ~np~ was escaping html and not tiki syntax does [17:28] Jyhem Now, about allowHtml, it's still a mystery [17:28] jonnyb yes, and i think that was wrong really... [17:29] Jyhem http://jyhem-9952-5172.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=1 ← article without checking "Allow full HTML", it gives a big puzzling warning on save, which I ignored [17:30] Jyhem http://jyhem-9952-5172.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=2 ← article with checking "Allow full HTML", it gives no warning. [17:30] jonnyb articles are another thing - quite buggy regarding html handling [17:30] Jyhem Result: both articles look exactly the same ?!? [17:31] Jyhem Or were you thinking of sme other allowHtml global pref? [17:32] jonnyb for wiki pages only - other features are a bit wobbly on this in varying degrees [17:33] jonnyb i'm talking about feature_wiki_allowhtml (in admin/wiki/general) [17:33] jonnyb that adds a checkbox to each page's properties to allow html page by page [17:35] Jyhem so what does allow html exactly achieve ? [17:35] jonnyb it stops the parser encoding html so it is displayed (parsed by the browser) [17:36] Jyhem ohhh :( [17:36] jonnyb i think it also stops linefeeds in the source form creating paragraphs and new lines in the html [17:36] jonnyb so you have to use

and/or
tags (whitespace means nothing in html) [17:37] jonnyb this was broken in various degrees in older tiki's - much more consistant since 10 or 11 [17:39] Jyhem I recall an old option about wiki-style paragraphs in Tiki3, but it was certainly not called allowhtml [17:39] Jyhem If it's page per page, I guess it's not so bad [17:39] * Jyhem tries it out [17:42] jonnyb that's a different pref - "wiki paragraphs" produced proper

tags (so is finally on by default now) [17:42] Jyhem I see. Now that's the awful behaviour that required to use ~np~ in tiki9 ! [17:43] Jyhem and ~np~ does not even work with it, but since all there is to do is check off "allow HTML", I guess it's good [17:46] Jyhem IMO, I see 3 issues with feature_wiki_allowhtml: [17:47] Jyhem 1/ It kind of defeats the purpose of either having a tiki-syntax or a wysiwyg editor [17:47] Jyhem 2/ It's undocumented (I could not figure it out without testing and your help) [17:48] Jyhem 3/ It's similarly named to a different thing in articles [17:48] * Jyhem tries more [17:49] Jyhem Let's not touch 1/ [17:50] jonnyb in html-mode wysiwyg feature_wiki_allowhtml becomes sort of hard-coded on - messy but hard ot do otherwise [17:52] * Jyhem thinks up a description of "Allow HTML" more descriptive than "allow HTML in Wiki Pages" [17:52] Jyhem by hard-coded you mean ? no checkbox ? [17:56] jonnyb well it should depend on allowhtml being on but we can't have a negative dependency in prefs (as the checkbox is to not use html in wysiwyg) [17:58] * Jyhem sees that two out of three current customers have checked "Allow HTML" :-( [18:00] Telesight joined #tikiwiki [18:00] * Jyhem switches off "Allow HTML" and switches on wysiwyg [18:03] Jyhem This "Full Wysiwyg editor" comes with "Content is parsed like wiki page", "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG", "Wiki paragraph formatting", "...but still create line breaks within paragraphs" by default ? [18:03] Jyhem http://jyhem-9952-5172.show.tikiwiki.org/tiki-admin.php?page=wysiwyg [18:06] * Jyhem afk [18:14] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Problems Seeing Images on Wiki Pages - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=51576 [18:21] Jyhem Ohhh, cut-pasting this is bold in wysiwyg changes it into __this is bold__ ! Amazing ! [18:23] Jyhem Ohh actually ~np~This should not be bold~/np~ changes it into __This should not be bold__ :) [18:26] jonnyb :) [18:31] Jyhem Ohh, the view source is in tiki syntax ? I thought I checked "Full Wysiwyg editor" which says CKeditor. Confusing [18:31] Jyhem and yes, it behaves as if I had "Allow HTML" so there is no way of displaying "text" not in bold, is there ? [18:32] Jyhem very strange [18:33] jonnyb the default is to use wiki syntax in wysiwyg [18:33] luciash Jyhem, it should be possible by >b<text>/b< as in normal HTML code [18:33] jonnyb i guess if you enabled allowhtml you could add html in there too [18:34] luciash or use CODE plugin [18:35] Jyhem I have disabled allowhtml and I can add html such as text but upon saving it changes into __text__ and shows up as bold. Even inside a CODE plugin (on saving the cODE plugin the second time) [18:37] luciash aye [18:38] luciash bad bad [18:39] Jyhem The trick with: >b<text>/b< only works once. When you edit the page again, it is changed into showing up in bold, and source then shows __text is bod?__ (typo mine) [18:39] jonnyb looks like that' ckeditor doing that i think - not sure [18:40] Jyhem But that's default wysiwyg still. in tiki syntax. surely that ignores ckeditor ? [18:42] Jyhem I guess "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" is the one which says that source is in tiki syntax [18:49] Jyhem When not in "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" mode, I can display code in a CODE plugin, even though it shows like this: in the code pop-up: <b>This is bold, maybe</b> [18:54] dabright joined #tikiwiki [18:55] dabright1 joined #tikiwiki [19:11] dabright joined #tikiwiki [19:13] dabright1 joined #tikiwiki [19:17] dabright joined #tikiwiki [19:19] dabright joined #tikiwiki [19:22] Jyhem jonnyb: Can't find a wysiwyg option combination which does not scare me, but I need to call it a day :-( Let's fix the 2/ It's undocumented (I could not figure it out without testing and your help) issue [19:23] jonnyb ok, thanks for investigating [19:23] dabright1 joined #tikiwiki [19:23] jonnyb there certainly should be a some docs - not sure where though [19:23] Jyhem jonnyb: would it be better to replace "allow HTML in Wiki Pages" (which kind of implies html would be stripped otherwise, which it is not) [19:24] Jyhem with this: [19:24] Jyhem per-page option: HTML in Wiki Pages is parsed instead of HTML tags being displayed as typed [19:24] Jyhem I feel it would have given me a chance to understand what it does [19:24] jonnyb hmm, except it's not really parsed but encoded - ok apart from that [19:25] Jyhem well, you are the native speaker :) [19:25] dabright2 joined #tikiwiki [19:25] Jyhem per-page option: HTML in Wiki Pages is encoded instead of HTML tags being displayed as typed [19:25] Jyhem I'll do it [19:26] jonnyb Per-page option: HTML in Wiki Pages is not encoded so will be parsed by the browser, instead of HTML tags being displayed as typed [19:26] jonnyb or something ;) [19:27] dabright2 joined #tikiwiki [19:28] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [19:29] Jyhem But, this encoding stuff relates to the inner workings, which users don't really care about (or understand) [19:29] Jyhem the end result is,