[00:00] drsassafras Hi guys, I am looking for commit access. I am customizing my tiki install, and would like to modify how things look. Turns out there is a lot of little places and things CSS can't reach, so I would primarily like to add classes and id's to tags so they can be finessed without having to edit the HTML. I have also noticed that few of the images that appear in
[00:00] drsassafras tiki are optimized with a lossless jpg-gif-png optimizer. Not only does google give better rankings to sites with optimized images, but it's a huge saver for bandwidth requirements, load time etc. so I was also hoping to do that.
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[01:25] fabricius hi drsassafras are you still there?
[01:26] drsassafras Still here
[01:26] fabricius ok
[01:27] fabricius I am not one of the guys who give commit access .. maybe you come back with that in a few hours alike European daytime
[01:27] fabricius did you read the three rules and some additional wiki pages on http://dev.tiki.org?
[01:28] drsassafras I did :)
[01:28] fabricius for the css issues I suggest, that you get connected to gary cunningham-lee and luciash
[01:28] drsassafras Ok, why them?
[01:30] fabricius apart from a few more people who are involved in grafics stuff, the two - in my mind - would be the best spots to start a discussion, they are longtime active, taking a lot of responsibility and know best who what in context of grafical parts of Tiki
[01:30] fabricius they are not the only ones, but they should be involved or at least notice in case of severe changes
[01:31] fabricius and especially in respect of Bootstrap for Tiki 13+ Gary is the main active template coder - still not the only one
[01:31] fabricius are you looking for pre13 (12) or post12 (13+, respectively trunk)
[01:32] fabricius if 13+ you should have been looking into bootstrap and consider, that a bunch of things are changing step by step - especially css selectors
[01:33] fabricius so from actual trunk on (soon to be released 13 alpha) anything new or changed should be Bootstrap complying and here the man at this time is Gary
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[01:50] marclaporte1 something about commit access?
[01:50] drsassafras Great. i will talk with him. I just took a quick look at bootstrap. Looks interesting. I have also been seeing that bootstrap CSS stuff showing up in the code.
[01:51] drsassafras I was thinking pre 13, but would be nice if the changes were more long lived than just that
[01:53] marclaporte1 drsassafras: what is your SourceForge username?
[01:57] marclaporte1 Making the image compressions would be great in 12.x (supported for 5 years) And they will be auto-merged to trunk, so you are future-proof ;-)
[02:01] drsassafras I just compressed them. 35% less heavy. Saved 4.7 out of 13.5mb in image size. Lossless.
[02:02] drsassafras Username: drsassafras
[02:02] drsassafras It's also my sf username
[02:05] marclaporte1 Super! You have commit access: https://sourceforge.net/u/drsassafras/profile/
[02:06] marclaporte1 35% loseless saving is great!!!
[02:07] marclaporte1 This will help for the ?last? easy way to improve performance :-)  https://tiki.org/Performance+challenge
[02:13] marclaporte1 drsassafras: *.tiki.org are updated daily with latest code so the C (70) for Optimize images will rapidely have higher score :-)   http://gtmetrix.com/reports/tv.tiki.org/RyUbAqDp
[02:20] drsassafras Just read the report page, I achieved 99.5% reduction in size on arrows-000000.png :)
[02:23] drsassafras I have to get tiki working on my own computer, and get subversion working as well. This will need to happen on my own time, I don't have this set up right now. Trying to employ apache php MySQL bundles now. In the past have always configured them manually. Not having much luck making the  work well.
[02:39] fabricius drsassafras: what operating system you are using?
[02:39] drsassafras osx
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[02:50] drsassafras I got bitnami to work :) now for SVN :(
[02:56] fabricius I have ubuntu, so cannot really help for osx, but generally, it should be more or less easy to commit directly from the shell, if you have SVN installed
[02:57] fabricius even possible to commit directly from a webserver (as often gnu/linux based, with shell and SVN ... if ssh access)
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[03:48] jp_eagle Hi, can any tiki admin to grant me the commit access to tiki repo in sourceforge, my sourceforge id is jp_eagle. thanks.
[03:51] fabricius Hi jp_eagle ... I do not know, if one of our sf superusers is still here (if not, you could try in a few hours European daytime) ... did you read a bit atthe dev-list and especially the 3 rules?
[03:51] jp_eagle yeah, read already.
[03:53] fabricius ok, so only to meet one of the superusers. marclaporte just has been popping by and giving an access .. where you are from?
[03:53] jp_eagle looks jyhem is admin, but no responds yet. may wait a while to see how. from singapore
[03:58] fabricius ok ... jyhem is from france, so even working late maybe sleeping by now
[03:58] fabricius Jyhem:
[03:58] fabricius :-)
[03:58] jp_eagle I am starting to pick up tiki, and using it as a wiki site, new to web dev, but can try to fix some minor issues.
[04:00] jp_eagle not sure what time in france. looks your time should be very late also. my time is morning :-).
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[06:58] chibaguy polom
[07:00] chibaguy drsassafras, I saw something about your wanting to add CSS classes and ids to facilitate styling Tiki, or something like that.
[07:02] chibaguy As you may know, we're transitioning to using the Bootstrap CSS framework for layout and default styling (doing this in trunk, which will be released as Tiki 13). So hopefully what you have in mind will be consistent with this.
[07:02] chibaguy We really don't want to add more styling rules in design.css or other Tiki stylesheets if it can be covered by bootstrap.css.
[07:04] chibaguy I'm curious to know where you see the need for additional CSS selectors.
[07:38] fabricius polom chibaguy
[07:38] chibaguy hi fabricius
[07:38] chibaguy How are you doing?
[07:40] fabricius getting better in small steps. mostly sitting and trying to be more active than pain allows
[07:42] fabricius and you?
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[07:49] fabricius chibaguy, drsassafras made an enhancement to image compression which delighted marc earlier on the night
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[09:54] jp_eagle hi, xavi, could you grant me commit access in sourceforge my id is jp_eagle.
[09:54] xavi hi jp_eagle
[09:55] xavi ok, np, after the mini-ceremony (a couple of questions to come)
[09:56] xavi users requesting commit access must confirm that they understand the 3 rules of the Tiki Community. Can you explain them in short with your own words, please? (re: http://dev.tiki.org/3rules )
[09:59] jp_eagle 1. respects other point and doing, 2. commit as soon as its ready 3. it is lego brick, can work with others, can be there and can not be there.
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[10:01] jp_eagle just saw your there, I am going out soon, any more to go? or I will be back in 1 hour time to continue.
[10:01] jp_eagle your last sentence broken, can't see full.
[10:01] xavi oups, back (my irc client just went off)
[10:02] xavi mmm, about 1: it also about "Do not duplicate code or features, as this just creates more work for everyone to maintain. Re-use and extend code instead, and ask for help if you are unsure how, or unsure if there is similar code lying around"
[10:03] xavi about 2: "when tis ready", as often as possible with simple small steps as you progress, not only the final product when the whole cathedral is built
[10:04] xavi 3: yep, so in case of doubt, your new features should have a preference to have them disabled if other tiki admins don't want them around, etc.
[10:04] xavi and in case of doubt, of course, use the devel list, irc channel, etc.
[10:04] jp_eagle ok. I have to leave first, will copy your 3 points, and continue soon later. thanks.
[10:04] jp_eagle sorry.
[10:04] xavi jp_eagle: by the way, are you subscribed to the devel list?
[10:04] xavi ok, see you later
[10:05] xavi (we were almost done)
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[11:00] jp_eagle hi, xavi, I am back.
[11:00] xavi hi jp_eagle, ontime like a clock
[11:01] jp_eagle I subscribed the devel list, and receive the email every day 20-30s.
[11:01] xavi are you teaching or something?
[11:01] xavi anyway, never mind.
[11:01] jp_eagle no, just out to send a ppl., took train, the timing is fixed.
[11:02] jp_eagle half hour go and half hour back.
[11:03] jp_eagle yah, the changes to the base should be as soon as it can, it will reduce the impact and risk. esp to LTS.
[11:03] xavi ok, I understand that you understood the comments I made before on the 3 rules
[11:03] xavi so, there you are: IN.
[11:03] jp_eagle thank you very much.
[11:03] xavi Welcome to the users with commit access to the Tiki repository! :-)
[11:04] xavi you are welcome
[11:04] xavi remember to use the devel list, whenever you don't get enough feedback in the irc channel, etc.
[11:04] xavi in which time zone are you located?
[11:04] jp_eagle I still picking up the web dev. I may look at database first which I am experienced.
[11:04] jp_eagle +8
[11:05] xavi ok
[11:05] jp_eagle afternoon already, you are morning i believe.
[11:05] xavi yep
[11:06] xavi years ago I lived for a few months in a +8 time zone (Western Australia - Perth). Nice times...
[11:07] jp_eagle water is cycloning in different direction. clock-wise, amazing.
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[11:50] Kampfkeks3000 Guten Tag!
[11:52] Kampfkeks3000 Bin gerade zufällig über diesen Chat gestossen und hab da eine Frage ob es eine API für tikiwiki gibt, mit der man Benutzer hinzufügen kann?
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[12:00] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: tiki-admin.tpl minor facelift in trunk - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51632
[12:00] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: About a category selection UI development - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51631
[12:00] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Strange translation behaviour  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5180
[12:00] Tiki|bot Recent Bug:  - Listing of pages without any tags in tiki-browse_freetags.php  - http://dev.tiki.org/item5181
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[13:10] Tiki-KGB [FIX]Respect the environment, and keep a default setting similar to the previous behavior (which was not truncating), specially if you do not document this new feature in the corresponding page for end users at http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12 . I hope 2500 chars is enough for most messages for sites upgrading to Tiki12, etc.
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[14:36] Tiki-KGB [MOD] Adding some files to the kill list in adodb to reduce the amount of warnings, still quite a few
[14:40] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Cómo "linkar" desde una página WIki un documento ubicado en una carpeta local  - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=15&comments_parentId=51643
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[15:30] chibaguy polom
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[15:33] chibaguy fabricius, sorry, I was away. I'm doing fine, thanks.
[15:40] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: About TPL editors - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51646
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[15:55] marclaporte drsassafras: ready for those images?
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[16:29] robertplummer polom all
[16:30] robertplummer Thanks marclaporte for your help yesterday.  I got a chance to inhance the error detection drastically last night, and will get the other issue we talked about, where wysiwyg is off for some strange reason when switching from text editor to wysiwyg the initial time.
[16:31] robertplummer no more exceptions are thrown when encountering an error with syntax, the document will just not be parsed, and you'll receive hints as to why.
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[16:46] drsassafras marclaporte: not yet. I had php 5.4 running and it broke with the new SVN. I have another attempt at getting a design environment running with php 5.5 but have to install tiki still. Will need to come back to it tonight. Want to check it over before committing it. Although it's lossless and all, I don't want to upload anything defunct.
[16:48] marclaporte drsassafras: super, thanks!
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[17:33] lphuberdeau sf rejects my commits, anyone else having issues?
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[18:09] jonnyb late poloms
[18:10] xavi bbl
[18:10] jonnyb anyone else having trouble with sourceforge svn today? i can't log in apparently
[18:11] jonnyb maybe it's becasue Allura is now a "top level apache project" https://sourceforge.net/blog/ ;)
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[18:13] jonnyb obviously lphuberdeau is logging in ok...
[18:13] * jonnyb retries again
[18:13] lphuberdeau just came back actually
[18:13] lphuberdeau it rejected me for a while too
[18:13] jonnyb ah, so it did :)
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[19:43]  Topic for #tikiwikiis now Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - the Free & Open Source Web Application with the most built-in features! Latest Tiki LTS version 12.0 (Altair) is out! Question? Just ask! We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log)
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[20:42] jonnyb done for today, see you tomorrow, byeee
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[21:22] Tiki-KGB 03marclaporte r50630 10trunk/lib/core/Services/Payment/Controller.php * typo
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[21:31] drsassafras Could someone look into this for me? I was banned from my last host because tiki-edit_article.php chewed up too much CPU power.  You can see the article that likely caused the issue here: pastebin.com/1cvK5q
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[21:40] fabricius drsassafras: this paste has been removed
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[21:46] drsassafras Sorry: pastebin.com/1cxvK65q
[21:48] fabricius just text ... no idea from the paste
[21:48] fabricius by the way, are you german?
[21:48] fabricius or german language
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[22:10] marclaporte1 drsassafras: chek for unclosed {DIV}
[22:13] drsassafras No, but the language is German. I am designing a system for the translation and collaboration of the book and related content.
[22:14] marclaporte1 ex.: {DIV(type="div" class="parnum")}308 (197).
[22:15] marclaporte1 There must all be closed
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[22:25] fabricius ahh marclaporte1 why I did not mind that!
[22:25] robertplummer fabricius: We are basically at a beta with wikiLingo today, YAY!
[22:25] robertplummer fabricius: How you been bro?
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[22:28] Tiki-KGB [ENH] Moving Create/Modify/Delete action to services for mail-in, for improved UI and reporting
[22:35] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: http://demo.tiki.org/12x/ -> Error converting entry in directory 'dump' to UTF-8 when trying to svn up - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=51653
[22:35] fabricius drsassafras: Î seem to have found it
[22:35] drsassafras marclaporte: you may have found the answer. There is quite a few less closing tags than is declared. Let me see how it effects CPU cycles when I close them all.
[22:36] fabricius check point 308 and 309
[22:37] fabricius 312 , 312
[22:37] fabricius 313
[22:38] fabricius 315, 316, 317 etc. ....
[22:38] fabricius drsassafras: this is a HUUUUGE wikipage
[22:38] drsassafras I did a search and found that there is 907 opening tags and 876 closing tags... Now to find them all. Thanks. Will let you know how it effects things.
[22:38] fabricius it should work, but do you think that is practicable?
[22:39] fabricius is there any need, that this has to be all in one page?
[22:39] fabricius did you ever consider to use wikistructure?
[22:39] drsassafras Ya, it's big. But I checked the tiki guidelines and is nowhere close to how large they say pages can be. At least according to documentation.
[22:40] drsassafras Yes, the plan is to move to wiki structure after the initial edit is done.
[22:40] marclaporte1 robertplummer: wikiLingo crashes on drsassafras's page: http://demo.tiki.org/showcases_and_experiments/wikiLingo/tiki-index.php?page=frompastebin
[22:41] fabricius I do not refer to technical, but to maintaining and debugging the page, if you have some severe syntax flaw
[22:41] robertplummer marclaporte1: On it!
[22:42] fabricius drsassafras: I think, starting with wikistructure upfront could be more effective - at least if you split in a few ones preliminary
[22:42] fabricius robertplummer: hi robert
[22:42] fabricius coool
[22:42] fabricius had a few bad and painful days
[22:43] fabricius will have a look asap
[22:43] fabricius wikiLingo will be fun - I am sure
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[22:48] drsassafras I know it's sort of my fault for having the bad syntax on the page, but must mention that the full page was using over my servers limit of memory 128mb and also brought the shared server to a hault. The website was banned and I was hoping not to have the same thing happen to me again. Fixing the syntax will likely fix
[22:49] drsassafras The problem, but it seems to be a somewhat simple DOS susceptibility.
[22:49] marclaporte1 yes, indeed
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[23:19] robertplummer marclaporte1: I turned off FutureLinkProtocol, and all is well.
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