#tikiwiki 2014-08-30,Sat

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Who	What	When
refizul	nelsonko: philippe nelsonko: philippe gamache	[00:02]
Tiki-KGB	03nkoth r52422 10trunk/lib/core/Search/Elastic/Index.php * [FIX] Indexing issue caused by r52407 unsupported type	[00:06]
nelsonko	refizul: I can try contacting him via Facebook or linkedin what should I say, it is not critical his mailbox I think we can always add him back later refizul: (2) role mailboxes, what do you mean role mailboxes?	[00:19]
	as for migrating the mailboxes in general, can you just migrate them first? people can setup new passwords.	[00:30]
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fabricius	polom nelsonko, refizul: my laptop battery is nearly down and I have to drive home (dinner invitation .. Tunesian food .. yummmi!) ... if any help for testing is needed, I tell ya once I am set up at home in about 1/2 an hour or so	[01:00]
refizul	ok	[01:04]
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fabricius	joined #tikiwiki any news at the mailserver front?	[01:39]
refizul	fabricius: we are busy right now - and fixed a bad showstopper	[01:44]
fabricius	refizul: good. just shout if you need s.th. - if I do not see call. I'll tell you when I stop being awaik ;-)	[01:49]
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Jyhem	polom refizul & nelsonko	[02:06]
nelsonko	polom	[02:07]
Jyhem	still working for a customer, but if you need any test mail sent or received from different setups... I can do that	[02:07]
refizul	polom Jyhem	[02:12]
nelsonko	hi, does anyone know if the devel forum mirror is the only mirror on tiki.org forums? what bat the users forum?	[02:15]
fabricius	a very good point! was thinking about that a few times, but never got into it afaik devel is the only one afaik Changi did set this up	[02:17]
nelsonko	there are 2 email accounts setup for syncing, and if there's only one forum - maybe the other email account is just not used then?	[02:18]
refizul	we have got two lists	[02:20]
fabricius	I recall, that for one forum to sync, there are two mails necessary - one to send out and one to get in - in other words: one mail account that collects (pulls?) the mails from the devel list and another one, that sends (push?) forum posts to the devel list	[02:20]
refizul	dev and users I suppose both are synced to forum	[02:20]
fabricius	we have actually a few more lists, but dev and user are the main active lists checking	[02:20]
Jyhem	hmm, never looked into this :-(	[02:22]
fabricius	nope ... unsure, if the second one is prepared, but live we have onle the devel list snc'ed at "Mirror of Tikiwiki Mailman Lists" in tiki.org/forums	[02:22]
refizul	then there is something broken I remember to see users' list emails in the forum but maybe I'm in halluzinations...	[02:23]
fabricius	about three or four years ago I did configure a mailing list sync between Tiki and a majordomo mailing list there I DID need TWO mail adressses to get it working to sync ONE mailing list and ONE forum	[02:24]
Jyhem	I see " Tikiwiki-devel (mailman list mirror) " and tht's it ?	[02:25]
fabricius	one was definitely a mail account where Tiki pulled the mails via .. I think it was pop3	[02:26]
refizul	I have got a sync and I needed two addresses - inbound and outbound	[02:26]
fabricius	so the mailing list did send to the mailaccount and Tiki pulled the mails from there	[02:26]
Jyhem	do we have forums on other websites than tiki.org maybe ?	[02:26]
fabricius	and another mail adress was used to send forum posts to the mailing list	[02:27]
refizul	Jyhem: this is difficult with Tiki because there is a mailheader preventing that	[02:27]
fabricius	Tiki did automatically sort out not to send out the mails that have been pulled from the mail account	[02:27]
refizul	this should be fixed BTW	[02:27]
fabricius	we have a forum on themes ... afaik not active ... should be somehow merged to tiki.org/forums and we have a forum on de.tiki.org, which is not maintained well (the site itself is), cause I for example concentrate on tiki.org/forums if any I have time for forums but de.tiki.org is something we never really had time to change ... more essential work and aslong as Oliver takes care on it in general I do not like the double thingi and would like to see de.tiki.org merged to tiki.org - but that would be a huge bunch of work and we have to get tiki.org and the other sites in shape first, before we even dare to get onto this as a project	[02:28]
Jyhem	Tomorrow, I take care of crm & workflow. Is security done yet ?	[02:39]
nelsonko	nope	[02:40]
marclaporte	Hi everyone!	[02:45]
Jyhem	Hi marclaporte !	[02:45]
marclaporte	https://suite.tiki.org/Tiki+Suite is even more broken that before. I am wondering who is changing the design / theme and what the timeline is to have something presentable?	[02:45]
fabricius	hi marclaporte	[02:48]
nelsonko	I don't know - fabricius, do you know who is editing?	[02:48]
fabricius	I know ... Gary did switch from fivealive to fivealive-light to make suite at least consistent with the other community sites	[02:49]
Jyhem	Is there a bootstrap reason why it does not have the menu 42 module or is it just missing ? It's hard to do anything without it, even check the logs	[02:50]
marclaporte	well, maybe when he looked to see if it was OK, he got an old cache or something	[02:50]
fabricius	fifealive somehow does not really looks same with Bootstrap as before the secondary site menu is not "working" with Bootstrap without a hand worst I think at the moment is the transparent menu in the midle of the header this happened to all upgraded sites that is why I made the navbar_fixed-top to doc.tiki.org Gezza made the same on tiki.org and dev.tiki.org - first multicolored but then more calm similar to the one on doc.tiki.org but after you recently shouted, he just reverted	[02:50]
marclaporte	when are you guys going to coordinate?	[02:56]
fabricius	I am actually doing it right now answered a few comments, talked to a few people, got a few confirmations tiki.org has the reverted navbar back already ... same like on doc, but appropriate colors	[02:56]
marclaporte	What Gezza was doing was interesting. And you are doing interesting things	[02:58]
fabricius	now I planned to do on dev.tiki.org and after getting agreement from Gary aswell on themes.tiki.org (he is the gardener there)	[02:58]
marclaporte	I didn't want him to revert and disappear. I just don't understand why you guys are not speaking to each other	[02:59]
fabricius	but as I just after dinner have seen, that Gary changed suite.tiki.org, I will do that first Gezza and I actually have been communicating, but then I was in Hattingen and in Bonn. I think, he pulled his head down, when he felt that you have been (seemed to) angry about his changes ... what obviously was a missunderstanding a few hours ago I replied a few comments in the thread where you, he and Gary have been discussing that. anyway, in Bonn I got confidence and support, that I take the lead now .... I'd say until somebody better qualified pops up, whon then I support - until then I do some coordination	[02:59]
nelsonko	what changes?	[03:04]
fabricius	you are absolutely right, that there was too less communication .. and I did not want to insult anybody by taking anything into my hands - 1st I still feel as a side entrant and 2nd I could not solve the problems alone nelsonko: mainly the problems of unfinished Look and Feel after the upgrade, what we all did not expect and the implementation of the navbars - the fixed-top	[03:04]
nelsonko	right, nm. misread.	[03:06]
marclaporte	fabricius: the URLS were changed from before and this is a problem for Tiki Suite Because of a bug / limitation weirdness of perspectives and multi-domain, sometimes users have suite.tiki.org in the URL but end up on the community site. Thus, it's important to respect: http://branding.tiki.org/Top+Menu#Navigation_between_.tiki.org_sites It was all OK pre-upgrade, and I don't know why the old working URLs were changed	[03:07]
fabricius	marclaporte: which URLS did change and do you have an idea, why? marclaporte: do you think, somebody changed URLS manually or might it a bug caused by the upgrade? marclaporte: I hear this the first time now ahh I see what you mean give me a second to check marclaporte - maybe I did brake that by myself - then I will fix it straight away - if, then it was accidently and I have to beg for pardon navbar - secondary site menu - give me a minute marclaporte	[03:08]
marclaporte	joined #tikiwiki I reported a month ago: http://dev.tiki.org/item5386 When people work on the site designs, I suggest to make the same change on all sites, and to click the 7-8 top links to make sure it works OK	[03:14]
Jyhem	menu42 restored. It seems the visibility syntax has changed from perspective=0;1;2;3;4;5 to perspective[0]=0&perspective[1]=1&perspective[2]=2&… Fixed	[03:17]
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marclaporte	Once thing I don't understand: why don't you just stay with fivealive.css in Tiki13 until you figure a better plan?	[03:23]
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marclaporte	The upgrade to Tiki 13 is very disruptive. A lot of things are broken and it's hard to get stuff done. Once thing I don't understand: why don't you just stay with fivealive.css in Tiki13 until you figure a better plan?	[03:25]
fabricius1	As I use the same as a template, the other fixed navbars will contain exact the same code, just different colors my only problem with fivealive.css in bootstrap is the background image of the header, which actually is opposit of responsive ... just not working out	[03:25]
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fabricius1	I would have been fine with keeping fivealive but getting away the background image and replacing the secondary site menu with the fixed navbar the switch to fivealive-lite was not my desicion, but I accept it and a few guys prefer the "lighter appearance" and that the black topbar is gone (which I actuall did readd on doc.tiki.org at the first place, but then got active protests and had to revert it )	[03:27]
nelsonko	anyone knows if groupmail@tiki.org is any use?	[03:31]
fabricius1	no idea nelsonko	[03:31]
refizul	it would be really nice to have some documentation about the admin stuff :-)	[03:32]
marclaporte	"the switch to fivealive-lite was not my decision": who decided?	[03:32]
fabricius1	so marclaporte I see fivealive-lite plus fixed navbar and the few tiny adjustments (reference doc.tiki.org) as an accepted compromise where we are save from never ending discussions and have the opportunity to invest time and capacity into a new 'Tiki community site design' which is actually much more than "only" the stylesheet	[03:32]
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fabricius1	I think mainly Gary ... I am not sure if I clearly opposed, but as I wanted to get the fivealive topbar, I got a few protest - not only from Gary ... I at least mentioned, that I prefer the old black topbar for not confusing visitors until we have a new proper design but marclaporte: In the end I do not see it as such a major problem, as there is a good side in it when we have been discussing the design issues after the first upgrades, I did not yet convince the other guys, that we need immediate action to redesign NOW I do not get any protest or oppositon an that anymore It is bumpy, it is not nice, I do not like the situation, AND I am not a designer myself to be able to present a few drafts	[03:35]
marclaporte	oh I get bumpy I understand it's a big transition But the pre-dogfood servers were there for months to experiment on	[03:38]
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fabricius1	and have been on fivealive.css, not on fivealive-lite.css and we should have not updated all at once and so on ... brought this up at the TikiFestSysAdmins and did speak out some clear words - but we have to look forward and to get ANYWAY a really good attracting yet accessible and userfriendly design and site layout do you know Alexandre Quessy?	[03:41]
marclaporte	fabricius: yes, I know him	[03:43]
fabricius	he lives in Montr�al and he might be positive to work out a draft design	[03:43]
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nelsonko	btw marclaporte, are you in contact with philippe gamache?	[03:53]
marclaporte	nelsonko: pm	[03:53]
refizul	amette_: still awake?	[03:54]
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fabricius	refizul: all green?	[04:11]
refizul	fabricius: almost last tests	[04:14]
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refizul	YEAH! amette_: OLE!	[04:31]
fabricius	refizul: please lateron a few word about your above note towards admin-documantation on tiki sites	[04:32]
refizul	we are in business - the mailserver setup is working back on Yoda level again!!! amette_: where are you? We need DNS ;-)	[04:32]
nelsonko	well done refizul, i gtg now :) left #tikiwiki	[04:44]
refizul	I guess I'm fnished for today, too	[04:48]
marclaporte	Congrats refizul & all for the mail server!	[04:48]
refizul	THX - was a hard piece of work now it's amette's turn lindonb: did you check your old and new mailbox? fabricius: you'll become the docmaster ;-)	[04:49]
lindonb	refizul: let me do that now…	[04:52]
refizul	ok, I'll wait a few more minutes	[04:52]
fabricius	rehi polom	[04:54]
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lindonb	refizul: I changed my password - what is the mail server?	[04:58]
refizul	what do you mean by "what is the mail server"? we'll have a new mailserver soon - akv.tiki.org	[04:58]
lindonb	ok - it’s for setting up the account on an email client so I can retrieve the messages	[04:59]
refizul	you use akv.tiki.org for smtps and pop3s/imaps there are still emails on the old server until amette changes the DNS if the server changes again, we create a new third level domain	[05:00]
lindonb	ok, not too worried about old messages in my case	[05:02]
refizul	thus everybody can access the old mailbox while using the new one this part wasn't prepared on the old setup, so things are a bit complicated ATM	[05:02]
lindonb	great job in any case! just curious, what prompted the move?	[05:04]
refizul	two weeks ago I reached Unix admin Yoda level	[05:04]
lindonb	congratulations!!	[05:06]
refizul	At TikiFest last week in Bonn/Germany we decided to migrate the mailserver to my responsibility	[05:06]
lindonb	lindonb applauds the maser Yoda and kneels before him	[05:06]
refizul	Marc provided access to the setup data and I built it from scratch, completely new Nelson did some detail configuration on the mailboxes	[05:07]
lindonb	very impressive - you were obviously the right person for the job!	[05:08]
refizul	we fixed some issues during the last hours some parts are still missing, but the DNS switching aka "going live" is prepared now I'll add a webmail interface next week	[05:08]
lindonb	excellent - so the email should work once the DNS is switched?	[05:10]
refizul	yes - status is: it should work, because it's tested unfortunately - time was not long enough for the details "wanne have" besides webmail there is a lot of fine grained config and installation to do: antivirus, antispam, revamp the forwarding a lot of machine related stuff is still forwarded to mose, which is not correct I suppose	[05:12]
lindonb	wow, that’s amazing - still going to mose! definitely time for a change fine by me to do it in stages as you are doing	[05:16]
refizul	a lot of legacy stuff needs revamp but first step was migration by copy	[05:17]
lindonb	i know revamps like this are very tough and if you wait until everything is perfect it won’t get done so congrats on getting this moving in the right direction	[05:18]
fabricius	looking forward to have my @tiki.org mail running again refizul - congrats!!	[05:18]
refizul	revamp of this will be easier than revamp of websites	[05:18]
lindonb	ah, are those moving to new servers?	[05:19]
refizul	fabricius: it is configured already, and you should have a mailbox BTW lindonb: no, websites' revamp was about restructuring content, refreshing old information and so forth but this is time consuming for weeks or months	[05:19]
fabricius	refizul: query?	[05:20]
refizul	fabricius: just start one	[05:21]
lindonb	refizul: ah yes, a big job, but definitely time for a change there too	[05:21]
fabricius	fabricius getting a coffee	[05:22]
refizul	lindonb: if we had the time, it would be done already ;-)	[05:22]
lindonb	:)	[05:22]
	refizul: my mail accounts works!! i was able to send and receive mails using the akv.tiki.org mail server congrats again!!	[05:28]
refizul	lindonb: yes sure, I provide mail service on Yoda level you can use POP3s ore IMAPs -e	[05:29]
lindonb	lindonb is in awe	[05:30]
refizul	next werek webmail in addition next week	[05:30]
lindonb	very nice - missed not having that with the old setup	[05:30]
refizul	you want it to use? which one? I don't know whether to offer squirrelmail or roundcube	[05:31]
lindonb	i like roundcube - more modern look and feel	[05:35]
fabricius	afaik roundcube knows bootrap? checking in a minute	[05:37]
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chibaguy	Hi fabricius. Are you working on the project sites' top navbar? I just noticed the community site has some problems with the topbar: no background.	[13:36]
fabricius	yes ... I fu**** the community nabbar caused with a possible bug with Look and Feel customisation - custom css blank field after saving (still have the code backupped) do you have had issues with that before?	[13:37]
chibaguy	No, not really. I mean I don't think so. It seemed to work as expected.	[13:38]
fabricius	shure I will have fixed the navbar in maximum few minutes ... so need to look into the ugly bug I explain later - have to go urgently and before to fix a few navbars as I promised by the way: would you be fine, when I add the navbar_fixed top on themes.t.o aswell (not the transparent one ;-) and I anyway wanted to come back to you with the colors - specifically with the navbar ... but not now, as said abive I do not really understand: the custom css field does not save the code - stays empty	[13:38]
chibaguy	Yes, fine for themes.t.o. Hm, bad about the bug. I didn't notice that before. In fact I saved some custom code in a tiki 13 site yesterday with no problem.	[13:44]
fabricius	I had the same two or three days ago, then I managed it, but the css is getting a bit unstructured from the workaround - a really strange problem it is specifically in t.o I do not really understand the issue seems to that it is only possible to add new css to the top, but not to the bottom and no restructuring of the css really strange	[13:44]
chibaguy	hmm	[13:46]
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fabricius	so I did put now the backupped code from a few minutes ago back in and save and - not empty works in dafault perspective /s/dafault/default	[13:49]
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fabricius	chibaguy: got it finally working ... maybe the issue is related with the fact, that n the community site custom css is altered in the suite perspective ah chibaguy I have seen one fault in my navbar code - causing that arbitrary navbars open at the same time in mobile mode ... fixing	[14:11]
	ah not fixable now? chibaguy : is it possible, that the default navbar which is used for horizontal menus has no specific data-target implemented and somehow strangely work anyway, but gets triggered by the custom navbar fixed-top accidently?	[14:18]
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fabricius	chibaguy: found the issue: when you use the menu in the topbar as bootstrap, the default data-target is .navbar-collapse ... this class exists in the custom navbar fixed-top aswell and thus in mobile mode the topbar menu opens and collapses the navbar fixed-top asewll! chibaguy: the other way round the issue does not occur, as the custom navbar fixed-top has an individual data-darget: #navbar_header_fixed-top (could be anything, but must be individual for each navbar that should individually work without affecting other navbars on the same page <-> header, topbar, footer for ex.)	[14:55]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5452	[17:28]
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	New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221 New Forum Posts: Status in object_link - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53191 New Forum Posts: Tablesorter on composer.tiki.org - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53183 Recent Bug: - http://dev.tiki.org/item5453	[17:48]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221 New Forum Posts: Status in object_link - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53191 New Forum Posts: Tablesorter on composer.tiki.org - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53183	[17:58]
olinuxx	hi all	[18:01]
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olinuxx	hi XGuarden Does anyone know why if I do this : "svn checkout https://svn.code.sf.net/p/tikiwiki/code/13.x ." I get a "svn: URL 'https://svn.code.sf.net/p/tikiwiki/code/13.x' doesn't exist" ? (it's working with trunk instead of 13.x)	[19:07]
Tiki-KGB	03jonnybradley r52426 10branches/13.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js [FIX] comments: Scroll the target comment (threadId) into the middle of the window instead of the bottom, and make it pulse yellow briefly (should help with wish5452 thanks marclaporte)	[19:12]
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olinuxx	found	[21:44]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221 New Forum Posts: Status in object_link - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53191 New Forum Posts: Tablesorter on composer.tiki.org - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53183	[21:48]
olinuxx	and corrected on dev.tiki.org	[21:55]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221 New Forum Posts: Status in object_link - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53191 New Forum Posts: Tablesorter on composer.tiki.org - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53183	[21:58]
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olinuxx	see you	[22:23]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: A living, interactive, social info community/'book' - could TikiWiki be the way? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53226	[22:58]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Problems with Webdocviewer - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53227	[23:08]
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Tiki-KGB	03robertplummer r52427 10branches/13.x/templates/wiki_edit_actions.tpl * [FIX] Wrong logic (Thanks Torsten!)	[23:46]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Problems with Webdocviewer - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53227 New Forum Posts: A living, interactive, social info community/'book' - could TikiWiki be the way? - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53226 New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://suite.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221	[23:48]
	New Forum Posts: Problems with Webdocviewer - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53227 New Forum Posts: A living, interactive, social info community/'book' - could TikiWiki be the way? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=53226 New Forum Posts: regression in trunk: smarty_modifier_escape() fatal error - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=26&comments_parentId=53221	[23:58]

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