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[09:35] olinuxx guten tag fabricius
[09:35] fabricius hi olinuxx
[09:35] fabricius jut pooped in by autoconnect
[09:35] fabricius have to leave again .. working all day
[09:35] fabricius bubu
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[13:29] luciash hiya all
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[15:29] chibaguy polom
[15:49] luciash chibaguy: hi gary
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[15:58] jonnyb pom pom polom
[15:58] jonnyb hi xavi - long time no (IR) see :)
[15:59] xavi polom-back
[15:59] xavi yes jonny :-)
[16:00] xavi I'm at work already, first day I re-use irc from behind the work proxy, etc. after  more than a year with no connection from here....
[16:00] jonnyb nice, well done
[16:00] xavi thks :-)
[16:01] xavi unluckily, much less time for tiki at work...
[16:01] xavi we are still using Tiki9, and I don't see any time in the next future to upgrade to Tiki12 at least... (maybe in the next months...)
[16:01] chibaguy hi luciash. sorry, was in the shower.
[16:01] jonnyb shame
[16:01] chibaguy hi jonnyb and xavi.
[16:01] xavi hi Gary
[16:01] jonnyb hi chibaguy
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[16:21] jonnyb oops
[16:22] jonnyb so, chibaguy and luciash (and anyone else) - if we are to have theme options (theme_active_option pref?) - how should it work?
[16:22] jonnyb maybe it's on a wiki pages somewhere already?
[16:24] * jonnyb reads http://themes.tiki.org/How+To+Add+a+New+Theme
[16:25] chibaguy jonnyb, I don't know. As I understand it, LP doesn't like having multiple files for a theme. Maybe kind of a unilateral decision to get rid of the old system.
[16:26] jonnyb but that's what the C stands for, i thought?
[16:26] chibaguy C?
[16:26] jonnyb Cascading?
[16:26] chibaguy ah
[16:27] jonnyb but maybe with LESS there's no point in that?
[16:27] chibaguy Well, for anyone using Less and variables to make themes, it's really just as easy to do another full theme than to make a parent theme and an option.
[16:27] jonnyb i still can't compile LESS properly :(
[16:27] luciash I wonder why should not we have theme options ?
[16:27] chibaguy Or to make an option for a theme, rather.
[16:27] luciash ahh, those less guys
[16:28] luciash :)
[16:28] chibaguy I think options are useful for people who don't want to use variables.
[16:28] jonnyb indeed - seems like madness to duplicate the entire css if you just want to change a few colours
[16:28] chibaguy and just want to overwrite some rules.
[16:28] luciash yep
[16:29] jonnyb having to use LESS does make it quite a bit harder to contribute
[16:29] luciash it is also more work when something changes in main theme, you need to recompile option ?
[16:30] luciash is there some technical difficulty to continue to use the option system we had till now ?
[16:30] chibaguy Well, maybe so, if the option touches the changed part.
[16:30] jonnyb presumably
[16:30] chibaguy according to LP
[16:30] jonnyb yes, luciash - the themes have been implemented as a totally separate new system
[16:30] luciash that kinda sucks
[16:30] chibaguy What I did for the fivealive options in trunk is just put an import statement at the top, to get the main theme file.
[16:31] chibaguy kludgy but it works.
[16:31] luciash ah, so no problem then ?
[16:31] jonnyb so the option files are just the changed bits?
[16:31] chibaguy but for the time being anyway, the url has to be input in the custom theme file text field to select the theme.
[16:31] chibaguy yes
[16:32] chibaguy as before.
[16:32] luciash what is the problem then ? the options do not appear in the dropdowns ?
[16:32] luciash sorry i seem to be far off
[16:32] chibaguy right
[16:32] jonnyb totally different dropdowns
[16:33] jonnyb the styles dir has gone from trunk
[16:33] luciash i know but i presumed the options will be just moved from styles/Foo/options/ to themes/Foo/options/
[16:34] jonnyb nope, sadly not
[16:34] chibaguy it seems the new themes directory mirrors the bootstrap directories, with themes/mytheme/css/tiki.css and themes/mytheme/less/tiki.less
[16:34] luciash where are they supposed to be then ?
[16:35] chibaguy I think you're right about themes/Foo/options/(probably then css/tiki.css).
[16:36] chibaguy According to Torsten, LP has an idea about options implementation but I don't know what it is.
[16:36] chibaguy Obviously it'd be good to know.
[16:36] jonnyb preferably before we release 14 :)
[16:36] chibaguy (that is, themes/Foo/options/Optionname/css/tiki.css)
[16:37] chibaguy yeah, preferably. ;-)
[16:37] chibaguy jonny, would you like to skype or email LP?
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[16:38] jonnyb ok, will do
[16:39] chibaguy thanks.
[16:39] jonnyb i agree on the suggested files layout, should support themes/Foo/options/Optionname/templates/credits.tpl etc
[16:39] jonnyb maybe also fints etc?
[16:39] jonnyb fonts
[16:40] jonnyb i'll mail the devlist, don't think LP is on the arty one
[16:40] luciash yes, +10
[16:40] chibaguy right
[16:41] chibaguy Currently each theme folder contains css, fonts, icons, images, less, and templates subdirectories.
[16:43] luciash sounds good
[16:43] jonnyb right - how does that fit in with the new iconset thing? i don't quite see why we have icons per theme and other ones with a pref (or do we?)
[16:43] chibaguy yeah, I don't know. Seems like icon overkill.
[16:44] chibaguy I think it was two separate initiatives.
[16:44] luciash iconset does not install in themes/Foo/icons/ ?
[16:44] chibaguy No, it's more global, it's in themes/iconsets/
[16:45] luciash I see
[16:45] chibaguy the theme and the icon set are each configurable separately.
[16:45] chibaguy (as things are now)
[16:45] luciash can a theme then override global iconset ?
[16:45] luciash (could/should ?)
[16:46] chibaguy Probably it should be able to. I don't think the implementing has gotten that far yet. gezza is working on it.
[16:48] Tiki-KGB 03jyhem r52745 10branches/13.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl * [FIX] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
[16:50] Tiki-KGB 03jyhem r52746 10trunk/templates/admin/include_login.tpl
[16:50] Tiki-KGB [FIX][bp/r52745] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
[16:54] Tiki-KGB 03jyhem r52747 10branches/12.x/templates/admin/include_login.tpl
[16:54] Tiki-KGB [FIX][bp/r52745] Restore fold/unfold of preferences which depend on registerPasscode
[16:55] chibaguy If you have ideas or suggestions, etc. please edit dev.tiki.org/Icons :-)
[16:55] chibaguy or post on the dev list
[17:01] jonnyb ok, have sent an email to the dev list re: options
[17:01] jonnyb hope it's ok :)
[17:04] jonnyb by the way, is http://themes.tiki.org supposed to be using tikinewt them?
[17:11] luciash eh, nope, weird
[17:12] jonnyb :P
[17:13] luciash i would expect fivealive-lite grape iirc
[17:14] jonnyb me2
[17:18] chibaguy heh, I wonder if I did that. I'll switch it back anyway.
[17:20] chibaguy Time to sleep here.
[17:22] chibaguy g'night.
[17:22] jonnyb nite nite, chibaguy
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[17:40] Tiki-KGB [ENH] payments: Add a new action to add mulitple items to a cart (used in custom code only so far)
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[19:12] Tiki-KGB Various forum fixes from 13.x - part 3 (process_inbound_mail fixes 1)
[19:12] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52693][FIX] forums: Several fixes and improvements for process_inbound_mail for forums (was quite broken).
[19:12] Tiki-KGB Use the html part if there's no text part available, and use the root 'body' section as a last resort (it's usually the source)
[19:12] Tiki-KGB Ignore error report emails (needs more testing and possibly logging)
[19:12] Tiki-KGB Try and find the message referred to in in-reply-to and use that topic if there is one
[19:12] Tiki-KGB Also some code tidying and comments added
[19:12] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52694][FIX] forums: Restore mail in operation for feature_wiki_discuss.
[19:12] Tiki-KGB Had been totally commented out as there was no feature or page_exists check - added them.
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[19:22] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52714][ENH] forums: If using WYSIWYG use the html part in process_inbound_mail if available. Needs to be purified (before parsing to wiki if wysiwyg_htmltowiki) as email html can be messy
[19:22] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52733][FIX] forums: Make the recently added "parse html in incoming forum emails" optional with a new pref, as it often cannot cope with complicated table based html emails.
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[19:42] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52741][FIX] forums: Use modifier avarize as tiki-show_user_avatar.php is buggy and doesn't support static avatars
[19:42] Tiki-KGB [bp/r52742][FIX] forums: Use modifier avarize as tiki-show_user_avatar.php is buggy and doesn't support static avatars (missed some)
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[20:56] Jyhem polom
[20:56] Jyhem anyone playing with Tiki on cloudy platforms ?
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[22:07] luciash Jyhem: hi, nope, sorry
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