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[16:16] fabricius joined #tikiwiki [17:32] gour joined #tikiwiki [18:00] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r52767 10branches/13.x/ 10lib/core/Services/Tracker/Utilities.php 10lib/trackers/trackerlib.php [18:00] Tiki-KGB [FIX] Re-saving an item would cause category changes outside of the tracker interface to be lost [18:03] aalex joined #tikiwiki [18:04] Tiki-KGB 03lphuberdeau r52768 10trunk/lib/core/Services/Tracker/Utilities.php 10trunk 10trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php * [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/13.x 52763 to 52767 [18:56] gour hiya, is rick still visiting this place? [19:16] marclaporte joined #tikiwiki [19:16] * gour wanted to see Jyhem's video, but it's in French :-( [19:21] gour Blogs section at http://info.tiki.org/Tiki+Feature+Checklist says "Remote posting". does it mean via email or something else? [19:27] gour by checking feature list i wonder whether tiki got so many new stuff or i was blind in the past... [19:29] gour_ joined #tikiwiki [19:30] marclaporte gour: http://tiki.org/FLOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features [19:30] marclaporte which some people call bloat until they need the feature :-) [19:33] gour_ marclaporte: now i see that it also has download counter for stuff - just what we need for tracking e.g. download of our mp3 audio lectures for non-profit org [19:35] gour marclaporte: anything happened in regard to: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel/29453 [19:40] marclaporte gour: almost everything has been moved to route.php so the number of rules that are specific to the web server is now very small [19:41] gour marclaporte: great news. i'll try to test today, a bit later [19:41] gour (with hiawatha behind nginx) [19:46] jonnyb joined #tikiwiki [19:47] aalex jonnyb: I just /query you in a private tab. [19:48] jonnyb polom [19:55] chibaguy joined #tikiwiki [20:16] marclaporte gour: a good way to know about features is http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki14 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki13 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki12 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki11 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki10 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki9 http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki8 ... [21:36] gour would lot of parts from Tiki for Smarties by Rick still be relevant for v13, v14? [21:54] gour marclaporte: does remote posting in Blogs section at http://info.tiki.org/Tiki+Feature+Checklist denote email posting or something else? [21:58] marclaporte I suspect it's the XMLRPC feature [21:59] gour ahh, now to find out about some client(s) [22:00] gour marclaporte: are you worried https://www.openhub.net/p/tikiwiki/factoids#FactoidActivityDecreasing or it's just maturity? [22:00] marclaporte Yes, I am worried [22:01] marclaporte But not so much because of those stats [22:02] marclaporte those stats can be good or bad depending on the window used for the reference period [22:02] gour what else? [22:02] gour indeed [22:02] marclaporte A significant part of the community energy goes from LTS to LTS [22:03] marclaporte So for them, Tiki 13 doesn't exist [22:03] marclaporte They go in "hibernation" and will come back around Tiki14 to make sure what they want is in Tiki 15 LTS [22:03] gour why is it so? [22:03] marclaporte 6 month cycle is too fast for them [22:03] gour heh, skipping over to safe-only releases :-) [22:04] marclaporte Tiki does mostly what they want and upgrading every 18 months is enough for them [22:04] marclaporte and because they hold back in participating to the stable releases, in compounds the problem [22:04] gour 6 months is really fast for the business [22:04] marclaporte My concern is more about some community members that are unreliable and selfish [22:05] gour uhh [22:05] marclaporte If the unreliable people just got their act together... [22:06] marclaporte If the selfish people stopped thinking just for their short term needs and were more caring for the general community [22:07] gour i must admit that your email (which is, according to my philosophy, not by accident) has put some fire here and gave me some food for thought ;) [22:07] marclaporte hehe [22:07] marclaporte I guess timing was good for you somehow [22:07] marclaporte What we need in Tiki is more leaders and doers [22:08] marclaporte Well, in any project really [22:08] gour just when i thought i'm leaving idea to get rid of php fully, even user-wise (except piwik which i regulaly use) [22:08] marclaporte Well, any project has strengths and weaknesses... [22:09] marclaporte Tiki has IMO the best http://info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle of any similar app [22:09] gour i'd say tiki is really providing a lot for free [22:10] marclaporte Tiki has the best capacity to innovate and keep up with the evolution of the web without people being locked into dead-end plugins /extensions [22:11] marclaporte But it is a vast project [22:11] marclaporte And with Tiki Suite, it does just about anything a typical organization needs [22:11] marclaporte But we simply need more leaders and less selfish people [22:13] gour i've to check with the 'stars' whether to re-consider tiki, but if LTS is really for 'Enterprise' maybe there should be more support from them or less support for them? [22:14] gour otoh, i do not see Suite very interested for me...i prefer to stay in the {personal, nono-profit, small business} niche [22:14] marclaporte Tiki Suite is for personal, non-profit, small business niche [22:15] marclaporte But it's for people that want to manage all with FLOSS and Open Standards [22:15] gour is this true: "Feature enhancements are often the fruit of sponsored feature requests, or for needs to deliver a specific project." ? [22:16] marclaporte Yes, and of the vision of some people [22:16] marclaporte So community members that are pro-active will add features before we need them [22:17] marclaporte You see waiting for a customer to need a feature before you start developing it is risky [22:17] marclaporte 1- The customer can be in a hurry [22:17] marclaporte 2- The first version of a feature is often not so good [22:18] marclaporte 3- The right person to develop the feature may not be available at that specific time [22:18] gour what do you think how typo3 does manage releases etc:? it seems they have enough people engaged [22:18] Tiki|bot joined #tikiwiki [22:19] marclaporte engaged by whom? [22:19] gour well, working on the project [22:20] gour although i read about their share of problems, of course [22:21] gour what about simply extending LTS period? [22:22] marclaporte So I prefer to start features before we need them (find an non-stressful project) and then, when a real project comes around, we are at version 2 of that feature. Some people have vision and plan ahead and some others are always just like in a pinball machine :-) [22:22] marclaporte LTS is 5 years now [22:22] gour ahh, 5yrs [22:22] marclaporte It's longer than any other PHP project I know of [22:23] gour i'm glad you have enough customers do live by tiki consulting and developing [22:23] gour *to live [22:23] marclaporte Well, honestly, it's quite easy [22:23] gour afaik, no consultants in my country [22:24] marclaporte Tiki (and Tiki Suite even more) is something that can useful to any organization in the World [22:24] marclaporte Everyone needs a web site or web collaboration, etc. [22:25] marclaporte If you stay in LTS versions, the bug count is quite low so customers are happy [22:25] gour indeed. here is same, but people don't have money or everything goes over VIP channels only [22:25] gour present tiki uses smarty-3.1? [22:25] marclaporte yup [22:26] marclaporte There is a lot of effort to keep up to date with all the libs [22:26] marclaporte I have read horror stories from other projects [22:26] gour which php is min? [22:27] gour ahh, found 5.5. [22:27] marclaporte Tiki 12: PHP 5.3 [22:27] marclaporte yes, 5.5 for 13,14,15 [22:27] marclaporte A benefit of LTS is to be more demanding on requirements for next version [22:27] gour do you find PHP is progressing as language? you know, there is always lot of bashing from ruby/python people [22:28] marclaporte Yes, it's progressing well [22:28] marclaporte There are versions every year now [22:28] marclaporte and BC is quite good [22:28] marclaporte And each version is faster [22:28] marclaporte and PHP 5.5 has OPCache built-in [22:29] marclaporte Only thing we are behind: We are still at Zend Framework 1.x [22:29] gour is OPCache something new or the modified/renamed some older stuff? [22:29] marclaporte It's like Xcache or APC. It used to be non-FLOSS [22:30] gour ahh, that's nice. i remember when apc was supposed to become default [22:30] marclaporte Zend Framework 1.x is still supported, but eventually, the transition will need to happen and that will be a chunk of work. [22:30] marclaporte yes, so OPCache instead of APC [22:31] gour i also wonder how it's possible to dive in into tiki code considering it's such a big chunk and no plugins...it must be overwhelming or one needs some magic? [22:32] marclaporte Well, it depends [22:32] marclaporte If you need to modify stuff [22:33] marclaporte So Tiki is really good if you upstream [22:33] marclaporte But this means you have to think of others [22:33] marclaporte and make general code for a general use case, with options for what you need [22:33] marclaporte Some devs are allergic to taht [22:34] marclaporte they just want to hack away for their specific needs [22:34] marclaporte And they end up woth a fork [22:34] marclaporte And their customer / project is screwed because it's then hard to keep in sync with project [22:34] gour yeah, price for selfishness [22:34] marclaporte If they are on LTS, at least, they get security fixes for 5 years [22:35] marclaporte yes, indeed [22:35] marclaporte what sucks is that the customer bears the cost [22:35] marclaporte while that crappy consultant got paid and moved on [22:35] gour bootstrap could/should make it more attractive...at least, i hope so [22:35] marclaporte Yes, Bootstrap is a game-changer [22:36] marclaporte The whole process is not happening smoothly because of some selfish and unreliable people. So the others have to work even harder to make it all happen [22:37] gour moreover, having ability for creating content offline (using editor + e.g. asciidoc markup) would be dream-ware for me...having best of both worlds :-) [22:38] marclaporte yeah, I know! [22:39] gour atm our non-profit site is using textpattern, but i simply do not like writing online [22:39] fabricius polom [22:39] gour and i am/was working on migrating site to hugo and now thinking about tiki...life is (sometimes) really strange :-) [22:49] marclaporte hehe [22:54] marclaporte decisions decisions [22:58] gour so Suite is basically attempt to integrate Tiki with some other FLOSS components into somewhat cohesive package while Tiki will still exist/evolve separately? [22:59] marclaporte yup [23:00] marclaporte the same way Tiki's strength is to reduce complexity by reducing permutations [23:01] marclaporte Each project in Tiki Suite lives and thrives independantly, but we make sure it all works together [23:01] gour you're not (yet) thinking about what would be required to rewrite for phpng? [23:02] marclaporte not yet, but because of our all-in-one model, we can do for all features in one go. Just after an LTS [23:03] gour yeah, that's great feature by-design ;) [23:04] gour marclaporte: btw, what is included in your php dev-environment? [23:04] marclaporte what do you mean "included"? [23:05] marclaporte you mean: how will folks develop features in the context of Tiki Suite? [23:05] gour marclaporte: no, your personal environment, editor etc. [23:06] marclaporte I generally edit directly on the server [23:07] gour content or code? [23:07] * gour is wondering about code editor [23:07] marclaporte both [23:07] marclaporte I use nano [23:07] marclaporte and svn commit ;-) [23:07] gour fascinating!! [23:09] marclaporte http://suite.tiki.org/Tiki+Suite+Development [23:11] gour atm, tiki supports only mysql/mariadb with no plans for adding psotgresql? [23:12] gour (based on http://dev.tiki.org/Database+independence) [23:16] gour_ joined #tikiwiki [23:18] gour tiki's wiki syntax is based on some 'standard' dialect or its own? [23:27] gour it looks one can use git to develop - http://dev.tiki.org/Using%20Git%20with%20Tiki it's better than svn (which we never really used) [23:39] marclaporte We tried, failed and gave up on supporting PG [23:40] marclaporte There is no standard for wiki syntax. We we willing to join the Wiki Creole standard if MediaWiki / Wikipedia did [23:43] gour 1st is ok, but 2nd could be really improved so one can import/export content more easily...another case for asciidoc ;) [23:44] marclaporte yup [23:44] gour can one use GoogleGroup list to sync with forums? [23:45] gour docs is here https://doc.tiki.org/Forum+and+Mailing+List+Synchronization [23:45] gour GG are mentioned, but no docs [23:48] marclaporte gour: yes, should work with any mailing list [23:49] marclaporte it's annoying because you end up with 2 databases of users and 2 web versions of the messages [23:49] * marclaporte hopes Tiki will improve to the point to no longer need the mailing list [23:49] marclaporte Hopefully, we are there with Jonny's latest commits [23:49] marclaporte Jonny has done a fantastic job [23:50] gour hmm, i was thinking it's just one database...e.g. D language has sync of mailing lists with the forums [23:50] * gour prefers nntp (gmane) for posting via email over web forums :-) [23:50] marclaporte hehe [23:51] gour anyway, it's getting late here... [23:51] * gour --> sleep [23:51] marclaporte ok, good night! [23:51] gour will try v13 tomorrow - both install and working (seourls) under hiawatha behind nginx [23:52] gour thanks a lot for all interesting info...will seriously re-consider tiki [23:52] gour ...for all my web needs ;)