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[10:14] chibaguy Anyone not receiving dev list mail? I sent a couple and didn't receive them from the list; checking the sf archives I see another message that I didn't receive directly.
[10:31] chibaguy jonnyb (if you check this), there is also a Bootstrap dropdown on hover script (http://cameronspear.com/demos/bootstrap-hover-dropdown/)
[10:32] chibaguy ...which behaves like superfish menus (open on hover) but touchscreens open on tap as before.
[10:33] chibaguy Of course there's still a difference that top-level parent items can't be links to somewhere in bootstrap menus as they're only for open/close.
[10:35] chibaguy Oh, my problem with dev list mail is that my messages are being sent but aren't showing up on the list for some reason.
[10:38] gour morning all
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[10:51] gour Jyhem, Jyhem_laptop_: ping
[11:13] chibaguy hi gour
[11:14] chibaguy (just responding to your good morning :-) )
[11:29] gour chibaguy: hiya, do you post to devel via gmane? i do and it goes through
[11:31] chibaguy gour, I've been posting with my email client, Thunderbird. But today two messages didn't appear in the list and I didn't receive them either.
[11:31] chibaguy Maybe a send problem with my email.
[11:37] gour well, do you post to mailing list directly or via gmane (nntp)?
[11:37] chibaguy directly
[11:38] gour i send via gmane and it works for me
[11:46] chibaguy ok. well, I'm not able to send or receive other email now so it seems to be a problem on my end.
[11:46] chibaguy (mail at hosted domain)
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[12:20] Jyhem They haven't gone live yet, so it's all free for beta testing (when prices are mentioned, just ignore)
[12:20] * Jyhem will be busy working today.
[12:23] gour Jyhem: i just wanted to apologize for giving you extra work, but it seems that http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/52330 does everything what is required. i tested tiki-13 with that patch and it installs and working (both, http & https) with lighttp server running in the same environment, so informed/asked Hiawatha dev why there is difference between the two: see
[12:23] gour https://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/1761
[12:25] gour Jyhem: appsdeck.eu seems ok as dev-platform, otoh my hosting provides email etc. for production
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[20:43] gour fabricius: ping
[21:28] fabricius gour pong
[21:32] gour fabricius: if i update tiki svn repo, i can send lang/hr/language.php and that's all needed to translate offline and later pull that file into installation to fix translation in the context?
[21:33] fabricius moment plks - on the phone ... thinking about the answer
[21:33] fabricius /s/plks/pls
[22:15] fabricius gour
[22:15] fabricius phone call finished
[22:16] fabricius I do not fully understand your question, but if I understand right,, I would answer yes
[22:17] fabricius you check out the code via svn to your local computer or to a webserver
[22:17] fabricius you have connected a database to the code, so you have a running "clean" or "fresh" installation
[22:18] fabricius then you do your changes and test them (maybe with translations there is not so much to test
[22:19] gour well, i'm considering to send language.php file to my friend first so he can translate strings offline.
[22:19] fabricius finally you commit the changes you made (the altered file lang/hr/language.php) to the sourceforge repo of Tiki via svn from your local computer
[22:20] gour then he will regularly send me back updated copy so i can store it under dvcs and possibly test in the 'live' installation - whether on my localhost or on the server
[22:20] fabricius you have to make sure, that possible commits made  from other people in the meantime would be merged with your file and not "overwritten"
[22:20] fabricius afaik there is a command for that in svn
[22:21] gour that's true, but i'd like to inspect history of that file
[22:21] gour but svn is not my terrain...never used it
[22:21] gour in dvcs-es usually there is annotate command
[22:22] gour or blame cmd :-)
[22:24] gour it seems there is one in svn...just running it
[22:28] gour svn required 48s and fossil 37s to find the same info
[22:29] gour moreover svn's outputs just rev numbers, while fossil give date as well ;)
[22:30] gour it seems that mostly last commits are from ~3yrs ago
[22:32] fabricius imho gour it should be a good point to start committing with an "orphaned" language - there is not much risk to damage stuff
[22:33] fabricius gour, please read the following pages:
[22:33] fabricius http://dev.tiki.org/Get+Code
[22:34] fabricius http://dev.tiki.org/Commit+Code
[22:34] fabricius http://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit
[22:34] fabricius http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access
[22:34] gour the commits were done by Rodrigo Sampaio Primo
[22:34] fabricius especially: http://dev.tiki.org/3+Rules
[22:35] * gour already has commit access
[22:35] gour i believe i'll keep translation under fossil - my preferred dvcs - and then create patch and give it to someone to commit
[22:35] fabricius if the commits where done by Rodrigo, I assume that he "merged" translations from i18n.tiki.org - he is Brasilian and I have no idea, if he speaks Kroatian himself
[22:37] fabricius I did need long time, until I dared to commit myself ... I was afraid of doing for long time
[22:37] gour he is still around?
[22:37] fabricius I did not read from Rodrigo since a good while, but I think he is still in charge of the i18n server
[22:38] gour fabricius: i do commit and regulary use dvcs for many years starting with darcs. tried and used bzr, hg, mtn, git, but do not see myself going and learning svn
[22:39] fabricius gour: there is nothing to learn with svn
[22:39] fabricius gour: especially not if you use linux and commit directly from a linux shell
[22:39] fabricius I aswell did commit from a shared webserver, where I have ssh access
[22:40] gour fabricius: every (d)vcs has to be learnt since things can always go wrong and it's good to understand, at least to some level, how the tool is working
[22:40] fabricius then you probably could even commit with Putty from Windows without using a client
[22:41] gour i've solid understanding of e.g. git's branching modeal, staging area etc. but never bothered to go into fiddling with reflogs
[22:41] gour no win machine here
[22:41] fabricius but gour, if you know how dvcs are working in principle and you use the hand full of commands from dev.tiki.org  - it is nearly only copy and paste
[22:41] gour that's one reason i like fossil 'cause it's very powerful, secure and simple
[22:42] fabricius even simpler than svn?
[22:42] fabricius you have a link for me to check out fossil? I'd like to have a look at it
[22:43] gour fabricius: http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/index.wiki
[22:46] fabricius thx
[22:50] gour fabricius: here is the message from Richard Hipp - author of Fossil and Sqlite which very nicely describes the point why I prefer Fossil: http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/pipermail/fossil-users/2012-September/010250.html
[22:50] * gour is dreaming that Tiki will embrace it one day
[22:52] gour fabricius: so learning another vcs for me means burning more cycles than required since i have zero need for svn otherwise
[22:54] gour fabricius: moreover, for my own stuff, with fossil i'm not dependant on hosting solutions like github/SF etc. - simple (shared) hosting is enough to have it all
[22:54] fabricius so gour ... translate a lot to hr and send me the file every two or three weeks to svn up ... by end of the year, hr hopefully will be near 100% ??
[22:55] fabricius gour that sounds smart ... you can host the complete vcs on a shared hosting server?
[22:55] gour fabricius: heh, it depends on my friend's productivity...but i have need for croatian tiki
[22:56] gour fabricius: read this http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/fossil-v-git.wiki
[22:57] gour fabricius: in the past i wrote what some of the Tcl/Tk devs told me about SF - they migrated to Fossil - they would never put any critical stuff there
[22:59] gour s/wrote/wrote to marc
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