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| Anyone not receiving dev list mail? I sent a couple and didn't receive them from the list; checking the sf archives I see another message that I didn't receive directly. | [10:14] | |
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| jonnyb (if you check this), there is also a Bootstrap dropdown on hover script (http://cameronspear.com/demos/bootstrap-hover-dropdown/)
...which behaves like superfish menus (open on hover) but touchscreens open on tap as before. Of course there's still a difference that top-level parent items can't be links to somewhere in bootstrap menus as they're only for open/close. Oh, my problem with dev list mail is that my messages are being sent but aren't showing up on the list for some reason. | [10:31] | |
| gour | morning all | [10:38] |
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| gour | Jyhem, Jyhem_laptop_: ping | [10:51] |
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| chibaguy | hi gour
(just responding to your good morning :-) ) | [11:13] |
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| gour | chibaguy: hiya, do you post to devel via gmane? i do and it goes through | [11:29] |
| chibaguy | gour, I've been posting with my email client, Thunderbird. But today two messages didn't appear in the list and I didn't receive them either.
Maybe a send problem with my email. | [11:31] |
| gour | well, do you post to mailing list directly or via gmane (nntp)? | [11:37] |
| chibaguy | directly | [11:37] |
| gour | i send via gmane and it works for me | [11:38] |
| chibaguy | ok. well, I'm not able to send or receive other email now so it seems to be a problem on my end.
(mail at hosted domain) | [11:46] |
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| Jyhem | polom
They haven't gone live yet, so it's all free for beta testing (when prices are mentioned, just ignore) Jyhem will be busy working today. | [12:18] |
| gour | Jyhem: i just wanted to apologize for giving you extra work, but it seems that http://sourceforge.net/p/tikiwiki/code/52330 does everything what is required. i tested tiki-13 with that patch and it installs and working (both, http & https) with lighttp server running in the same environment, so informed/asked Hiawatha dev why there is difference between the two: see
https://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/1761 Jyhem: appsdeck.eu seems ok as dev-platform, otoh my hosting provides email etc. for production | [12:23] |
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| gour | fabricius: ping | [20:43] |
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| fabricius | gour pong | [21:28] |
| gour | fabricius: if i update tiki svn repo, i can send lang/hr/language.php and that's all needed to translate offline and later pull that file into installation to fix translation in the context? | [21:32] |
| fabricius | moment plks - on the phone ... thinking about the answer
/s/plks/pls | [21:33] |
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| gour
phone call finished I do not fully understand your question, but if I understand right,, I would answer yes you check out the code via svn to your local computer or to a webserver you have connected a database to the code, so you have a running "clean" or "fresh" installation then you do your changes and test them (maybe with translations there is not so much to test | [22:15] | |
| gour | well, i'm considering to send language.php file to my friend first so he can translate strings offline. | [22:19] |
| fabricius | finally you commit the changes you made (the altered file lang/hr/language.php) to the sourceforge repo of Tiki via svn from your local computer | [22:19] |
| gour | then he will regularly send me back updated copy so i can store it under dvcs and possibly test in the 'live' installation - whether on my localhost or on the server | [22:20] |
| fabricius | you have to make sure, that possible commits made from other people in the meantime would be merged with your file and not "overwritten"
afaik there is a command for that in svn | [22:20] |
| gour | that's true, but i'd like to inspect history of that file
but svn is not my terrain...never used it in dvcs-es usually there is annotate command or blame cmd :-) it seems there is one in svn...just running it svn required 48s and fossil 37s to find the same info moreover svn's outputs just rev numbers, while fossil give date as well ;) it seems that mostly last commits are from ~3yrs ago | [22:21] |
| fabricius | imho gour it should be a good point to start committing with an "orphaned" language - there is not much risk to damage stuff
gour, please read the following pages: http://dev.tiki.org/Get+Code http://dev.tiki.org/Commit+Code http://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+get+commit+access | [22:32] |
| gour | the commits were done by Rodrigo Sampaio Primo | [22:34] |
| fabricius | especially: http://dev.tiki.org/3+Rules | [22:34] |
| gour | gour already has commit access
i believe i'll keep translation under fossil - my preferred dvcs - and then create patch and give it to someone to commit | [22:35] |
| fabricius | if the commits where done by Rodrigo, I assume that he "merged" translations from i18n.tiki.org - he is Brasilian and I have no idea, if he speaks Kroatian himself
I did need long time, until I dared to commit myself ... I was afraid of doing for long time | [22:35] |
| gour | he is still around? | [22:37] |
| fabricius | I did not read from Rodrigo since a good while, but I think he is still in charge of the i18n server | [22:37] |
| gour | fabricius: i do commit and regulary use dvcs for many years starting with darcs. tried and used bzr, hg, mtn, git, but do not see myself going and learning svn | [22:38] |
| fabricius | gour: there is nothing to learn with svn
gour: especially not if you use linux and commit directly from a linux shell I aswell did commit from a shared webserver, where I have ssh access | [22:39] |
| gour | fabricius: every (d)vcs has to be learnt since things can always go wrong and it's good to understand, at least to some level, how the tool is working | [22:40] |
| fabricius | then you probably could even commit with Putty from Windows without using a client | [22:40] |
| gour | i've solid understanding of e.g. git's branching modeal, staging area etc. but never bothered to go into fiddling with reflogs
no win machine here | [22:41] |
| fabricius | but gour, if you know how dvcs are working in principle and you use the hand full of commands from dev.tiki.org - it is nearly only copy and paste | [22:41] |
| gour | that's one reason i like fossil 'cause it's very powerful, secure and simple | [22:41] |
| fabricius | even simpler than svn?
you have a link for me to check out fossil? I'd like to have a look at it | [22:42] |
| gour | fabricius: http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/index.wiki | [22:43] |
| fabricius | thx | [22:46] |
| gour | fabricius: here is the message from Richard Hipp - author of Fossil and Sqlite which very nicely describes the point why I prefer Fossil: http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/pipermail/fossil-users/2012-September/010250.html
gour is dreaming that Tiki will embrace it one day fabricius: so learning another vcs for me means burning more cycles than required since i have zero need for svn otherwise fabricius: moreover, for my own stuff, with fossil i'm not dependant on hosting solutions like github/SF etc. - simple (shared) hosting is enough to have it all | [22:50] |
| fabricius | so gour ... translate a lot to hr and send me the file every two or three weeks to svn up ... by end of the year, hr hopefully will be near 100% ??
gour that sounds smart ... you can host the complete vcs on a shared hosting server? | [22:54] |
| gour | fabricius: heh, it depends on my friend's productivity...but i have need for croatian tiki
fabricius: read this http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/fossil-v-git.wiki fabricius: in the past i wrote what some of the Tcl/Tk devs told me about SF - they migrated to Fossil - they would never put any critical stuff there s/wrote/wrote to marc | [22:55] |
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