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[15:04] luciash polom
[15:04] wolfganga hello
[15:05] * luciash going to work on fivealive-lite improvements now
[15:05] luciash hi wolfganga !
[15:06] wolfganga Hi luciash
[15:22] luciash any idea why theme options wouldn't work in trunk ?
[15:27] luciash I have set fivealive-lite but it stayson violet theme option instead of the others
[15:31] luciash ah I see, I have the theme switcher module enabled :-p
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[15:46] luciash some little emergency here, bbl
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[16:01] gilles hello
[16:02] wolfganga hello
[16:02] gilles with bootstrap I understand how to change column but how to reduce spacec between module ?
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[16:34] Tiki-KGB 03nkoth r53838 10trunk/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs)
[16:34] Tiki-KGB [REF] Add functionality in new Wikiplugin Alert (ability to store cookie to keep alert dismissed) to remarksbox instead
[16:45] luciash re
[16:50] luciash I don't like the new quickadmin in trunk (two clicks instead of one as before)
[17:58] wolfganga In need some inspiration / direction. I want to optimize the response time when creating a new trackeritem. The problem is that the css and js files are loaded again, although there are already cached
[17:59] wolfganga This does not happen, when clickling itemlist in the tracker
[17:59] wolfganga It only happens wen creating a new new item (and the the list is passed via xhr i think)
[18:00] wolfganga This is also te reason why filing a bug on the official website is so slow / unresponsive.
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[18:10] luciash I think it is because tiki-tracker-update_item loads all the css, maybe if it was just raw html (without css) it would be faster... maybe limit to load only the body ? I do not understand why it loads whole html though, maybe there is some reason...
[18:15] wolfganga I am actually debugging it. I guesst it is because the javascript callback from the xhr-call executes: document.location.reload();
[18:15] wolfganga and "document.location.reload();" forces a reload with teh equest header no-cache.
[18:16] wolfganga similra to the browser reload button.
[18:17] wolfganga i undderstand why the request are made then, but do not understand why its not getting a 304 response instead (like with images...)
[18:17] wolfganga This is really painfull when using tiki outside a lan but in a WAN.
[18:22] Tiki-KGB 03luciash r53839 10trunk/img/tiki/ 03tiki-icon-flat-white.png 03tiki-icon-flat.svg 03tiki-icon-flat-black.png * [NEW] flat tiki black and white icon (including svg version)
[18:44] fabricius Hi luciash -> I think the new appearance of the quickadmin AND of the wikieditbuttons should be optional - both as independantly settings for module and content page. I use the quickadmin in a bootstrap list element and there it is not accessible anymore (even much worse than the two click issue
[18:45] wolfganga WOW!!!!
[18:45] wolfganga I have it!
[18:45] wolfganga This is awesome.
[18:45] fabricius wolfganga:  your issue mentioned above?
[18:45] wolfganga Yes.
[18:45] fabricius very cool!
[18:46] wolfganga Without patch (as it is today). When creating a new trackeritem:
[18:46] fabricius I started to get stressed out on that myself (especially with the bugtracker)
[18:47] fabricius ah .. listening ..
[18:47] wolfganga 45 js files to load gzipped 788k + 13 css files gzipped 81.4k + 1 response for content 12kb = sums up to: 59 request for 881,4kb
[18:47] fabricius ouch
[18:47] wolfganga with ptach:
[18:47] wolfganga patch:
[18:48] wolfganga 0 js files to load  + 0 css files to load + 1 response for content 12kb = sums up to: 1 request for 12kb
[18:48] wolfganga so in summary: 59 request with 880kb vs 1 request for 12kb
[18:49] fabricius WOW
[18:49] wolfganga I think i should commit it ;-)
[18:49] fabricius that means about probably the bugtracker will seem to work
[18:50] fabricius can you aswell backport that to 13 pls for that we will get it in the bugtracker asap?
[18:51] fabricius we should not wait til 14 in this case
[18:51] fabricius wolfganga: if you have questions for when commit where and how to backport, there is a wikipage on dev and you could aswell ask jonnyb
[18:55] wolfganga fabricius - would you be able/willing to do a test against my dev machine?
[18:55] wolfganga if it works i can backport
[19:01] fabricius wolfganga: willing yes, able? :)
[19:04] fabricius -> query
[19:06] wolfganga A moment - will prepare
[19:35] luciash cool, just fearing there will be some use case, when this will cause issue... but maybe not. lets give it a try. rollback is always possible
[19:45] fabricius if issues luciash, maybe optional instead of rollback ... it is running
[19:45] fabricius really fast on a slow server
[19:47] fabricius luciash: you know who committed the new quickadmin apearance? lindon, or gezza or who?
[19:47] fabricius we should rise the issue I think - ask for some chance, respectively optional ... I'll check the module first, but it looks like a new default for ever<thing
[19:52] luciash fabricius: no idea, I bet on gezza :)
[19:52] fabricius I try to find in svn logs
[19:52] fabricius do you have the relevant selector(s) off hand?
[19:54] luciash quickadmin module has its own tpl probably
[19:55] luciash TPL: /var/www/tikitrunk/templates/modules/mod-quickadmin.tpl
[19:59] fabricius it was lindon!
[19:59] fabricius [FIX] quick admin: put all single-action options under a dropdown.
[19:59] fabricius lindonb: are you there? This was definitively not a fix
[20:00] Tiki-KGB 03luciash r53840 10trunk/templates/layouts/social/layout_view.tpl * [MOD] no excuse to use inline style
[20:00] lindonb fabricius: hello!
[20:00] fabricius hi lindon
[20:00] lindonb sorry, what are you referring to?
[20:01] fabricius I have dropdown for qucikadmin and
[20:01] fabricius page actions
[20:01] lindonb ok
[20:01] fabricius /s/qucikadmin/quickadmin
[20:02] fabricius on the one hand I like it, but on the other hand it causes issues for luci and me
[20:02] lindonb what issues?
[20:02] fabricius the dropdown uses bootstrap.js so it is dependant on js, which should be optional and not madatory
[20:03] lindonb hmmm, there are many parts of tiki that won’t work without js now
[20:03] fabricius it should anyway be optional, as one person likes it in most cases, another person hates the extra click
[20:04] fabricius for most parts - especially basic parts - we still have alternative options in Tiki
[20:04] fabricius for example we still keepo suckerfish and thus have non-js menus
[20:05] fabricius for me personally it would not be so much a problem, but I have to do with people .. groups .. who avoid js and who recommend to have at least the basic navigation non-js capable
[20:06] fabricius I mean there is no problem, if wysiwyg is js only, as we still have plain syntax aswell
[20:07] fabricius and we can expect that s.b. who avoids js for reasons should be prepared to accept a bit less comfort or the need of a minimum of knowledge like syntax
[20:07] lindonb I thought many parts of Tiki didn’t work without js but could be wrong, never tried it
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[20:08] fabricius but that a wikipage edit button for no reason is not accessible without js and I have even not an option to shut that off (maybe in a perspective) is not nice
[20:09] fabricius lindonb: shure, I thought this aswell. I simply have not been aware, but then last year i made a one weeks Tiki workshop with Frank to work with a dataprotection group ...
[20:09] fabricius so there are people out there thinking different - and not using apple
[20:10] Tiki-KGB 03walper r53841 10trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js
[20:10] Tiki-KGB [FIX] Heavily improved response time on new or modified trackeritems (down from 59 requests with 880KB  to just 1 request with 12KB). The js callback handler that was called after save and requested the same page for displaying the updated list, was using the reload() method. This methods instructs the browser to update the local cache. This in turn leads to loading ALL js files a
[20:10] Tiki-KGB tikiwikind ALL css files again. This patch implements the href atrribute instead of the reload() function. This way the browser behaves like clicking a link, which uses the cached files. Note: You must have a proper webserver setup with valid cache header!
[20:11] wolfganga If anyone has access to the current bug+wishes tracker - this patch (just one line) would make it respond MUTCH faster on new items.
[20:12] fabricius anyway ... do you see any way of a bit more improving your enhancement to make it a bit more optional and give back the state of acessibility we had before? Would be great, cause in the end I really like it and see it as an improvement ... IF ...
[20:12] wolfganga Note: There i still an issure with updating trackeritems  (does not work, takes long) i will lokk into this soon.
[20:12] fabricius last one was for lindonb
[20:13] fabricius wolfganga: somebody must backport and then we need svn up of dev.t.o ... then I will mention to you, as you surely want to test :)
[20:14] wolfganga Yes very eager to try it on the bug tracker!
[20:15] lindonb fabricius: not clear to me why we need a non-js option for this one and not all the other features like trackers where you can hardly do anything without js and ajax?
[20:15] lindonb will become harder now with bootstrap
[20:16] lindonb in general, i don’t think we’re maintaining a non-js Tiki overall
[20:17] fabricius I see trackers more as an advanced feature ... for basic collaboration of techhsavvy people there is still the plain oldstyle direct tracker view ... wikipages easily can be used (edited) without js etc.
[20:18] fabricius lindonb: there is no need to lock the front door just because we might have a few locked rooms inside the house
[20:19] lindonb it’s becoming less though - I’ve been implementing popup modals to confirm deletions, etc. so that you don’t go to an entirely new page just to click okay
[20:19] lindonb not thinking of making every improvement like that optional
[20:20] fabricius In case we will go for a Tiki that is only usable with js and non-configurable to be at all usable without js, I'd ask for a poll and agreement in the dev-list
[20:21] lindonb makes sense - would add ajax as well
[20:21] fabricius look lindonb I have an intranet with pre-14. I have a bootstrap navbar and in it a quickadmin. Since your commit I cannot use it anymore
[20:22] fabricius I do not like to leave it this way
[20:22] lindonb if it’s not working with js on that’s a different issue
[20:22] lindonb which should be fixed
[20:22] fabricius and making JS as default AND non-usable without is a big decition, that includes accessability issues
[20:25] lindonb I think tiki is more dependent on js and ajax than you realize but if you have a working tiki site with JS truned off then maybe not
[20:25] lindonb in any case it makes sense to have a vote to be sure of the direction
[20:25] wolfganga If anyone is interested - load time on item updates improved as well - very usable now. ^^
[20:26] lindonb way to go wolfganga!
[20:26] lindonb the tracker master!
[20:26] wolfganga *lol*
[20:27] wolfganga ^^
[20:28] wolfganga btw. the fix for tracker filter from the last days for chosen: is that final? it looks -somehow strange ....
[20:33] wolfganga Here a screenshot (i guess the css part for the list is missing) : http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150207/j4ypgpjx.jpg
[20:48] wolfganga a minor one for chosen: /themes/base_files/css/chosen-sprite.png Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
[21:22] wolfganga Edit a comment seems to be broken. The POST rtequest contains the old data instead of the edited one.
[21:30] luciash anyone fancy to try my inital version of the profile "Hide Fixed Top Nav Bar on Scroll" on trunk ?
[21:32] luciash just go to your Profiles admin panel and search for "Nav Bar"
[21:38] fabricius luciash: I'd like to
[21:39] fabricius but does that make sense?
[21:39] fabricius hiding a fixed bar, instead of not making it fixed?
[21:47] luciash it makes sense when you do not need to see it all the time reading the page while scrolling down - saves space
[21:48] luciash it gets revealed again on hover or scrolling back to top
[21:48] luciash lot of room for improvements still, it is just version 0.1 ;)
[21:49] luciash gotta go now, more tomorrow prolly, bb!
[22:03] fabricius Hey, just applied ist - it works well - when I deactivate JS, I have no bad effect - so semm to be quite perfect. Thx luciash ! I'd like to recommend it.
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[23:02] Tiki-KGB [REF] Removed obsolete code. With the latest changes to save the referer url when using the vi_tpl parameter in tiki-item-view.php, this code is no longer needed.