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[15:21] gezza hi guys
[15:21] luciash hi gezza
[15:22] gezza i added a rule to tiki-cssmenus.less, but the tiki_base.css does not get recompiled automatically, is there something I need to do?
[15:22] gezza i expected it to happen
[15:22] gezza phpstorm, file watcher is enabled
[15:23] gezza how does this work? :)
[15:24] luciash no idea, i do it manually
[15:25] luciash (what a shame on me)
[15:25] chibaguy hi gezza, I have "Immediate file synchronzation" checked, in the settings > file watchers > less dialog
[15:25] chibaguy I'm not really sure if that's the correct box (didn't read the docs about this).
[15:26] gezza i have it checked to
[15:26] gezza too
[15:26] chibaguy Also, sometimes I make a small change in the .less file to trigger it, if it doesn't trigger immediately.
[15:26] gezza it says "executing less task"
[15:26] chibaguy like a comment-out, then uncomment.
[15:26] chibaguy oh, ok.
[15:26] chibaguy Any errors?
[15:26] gezza no error message
[15:27] chibaguy But the .css file doesn't change?
[15:27] jonnyb polom
[15:27] gezza no, only tiki-cssmenus.less is changed, the css is not
[15:27] chibaguy ah, try making a small change like comment/ouncomment in tiki_base.less. That's the file being watched for changes.
[15:28] chibaguy I think upstream files don't update automatically.
[15:28] chibaguy Or downstream, I mean the file that imports but isn't imported.
[15:29] chibaguy IOW, to have a *.css file compiled, you need to edit *.less even if the real change is in a file imported by *.less.
[15:30] chibaguy Hi jonnyb and luciash.
[15:30] gezza hmm, ok
[15:30] gezza i try
[15:30] chibaguy Just touch the file with any change - do/undo, etc.
[15:31] chibaguy (tiki_base.less)
[15:32] gezza Process finished with exit code 0
[15:32] gezza is that good or bad? :)
[15:32] chibaguy good
[15:36] gezza "Track only root files" is enabled for you? output path is : $FileParentDir$/css/$FileParentDir$.css
[15:42] chibaguy Yes, track only root files. Output path: ../css/$FileNameWithoutExtension$.css
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[15:47] chibaguy bbl
[15:48] gezza output path was wrong, now it is compiling, thanks chibaguy!
[15:51] luciash commiting on trunk
[15:55] luciash merge done
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[16:17] gezza i have this css rule: a.structure-home {   padding: 0px; }
[16:17] gezza works fine in chrome and IE, but not in FF
[16:17] gezza any idea why?
[16:25] luciash looks good, could be padding: 0 (without px)
[16:26] luciash something overrides it in FF ?
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[16:28] gezza luciash: thanks, ok, I remove "px"
[16:28] gezza no, still not ok in FF, but ok in IE and chrome
[16:28] luciash I doubt it will help anything though
[16:28] gezza how can something override in FF, but not in chrome?
[16:29] luciash might be some -moz-... rule
[16:29] luciash check in your Firebug
[16:30] luciash or provide link where it is reproduced so I can have a look
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[16:32] gezza it is on my local, just commited the fix for the padding
[16:35] gezza will see how it looks on nextdoc, that uses structure
[16:36] luciash I will instal 14 on my local and check
[16:36] gezza hm, nextdoc is not really working
[16:37] gezza I thought it is on Tiki14
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[16:38] gezza ok, thanks luci
[16:38] luciash hmm, I get PHP error using console.php :(
[16:42] jonnyb hi luciash - mine seems ok here (in 14.x?)
[16:42] luciash when I run
[16:42] luciash 14.x
[16:43] jonnyb what's the error?
[16:44] luciash when I run php console.php database:install I get:
[16:44] jonnyb btw, gezza - that drill-down thing seems to have stopped working for me, was partially working yesterday
[16:44] luciash get: "PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function fetchAll() on a non-object in /var/www/tiki14x/lib/core/TikiDb/Bridge.php on line 32"
[16:44] luciash PHP 5.5
[16:45] gezza jonnyb: it works nicely for me, what do you see?
[16:45] jonnyb no tooltip thing appearing any more, i'll recheck my prefs...
[16:46] gezza yes, that is meant to be with drilldown, no tooltip but the structure appearing as menu on hover
[16:46] jonnyb luciash: is your db/local.php all ok, and perms etc correct?
[16:46] gezza on the home icon
[16:47] jonnyb oh right, was different yesterday (i.e. broken ;) ) thanks for fixing!
[16:47] luciash jonnyb: it is fresh new install, just created empty database, no local.php created yet
[16:47] jonnyb you'd have to know it's there though
[16:48] jonnyb i tihnk console install needs local.php, otherwise how does it know which database to install into?
[16:48] jonnyb (obviously needs a butter error message)
[16:48] luciash ah, right, me stupid :)
[16:49] gezza yes, documentation needs updating :)
[16:49] luciash so first install possible only via browser, right
[16:49] jonnyb i guess the install command needs some questions adding if there's no local.php
[16:51] jonnyb i suppose you could create the local.php file in the shell too...
[16:52] luciash yes
[16:52] luciash lol, the installer now defaults to put "My Account" in the browser title instead of "My Tiki" ;)
[16:53] gezza jonnyb: https://dev.tiki.org/item5590 seems to be serious to me
[16:53] gezza i created a show instance for it
[16:53] jonnyb worked fine for me yesterday, will check your show
[16:54] jonnyb thanks
[16:54] gezza i think has the same root cause as https://dev.tiki.org/item5588
[16:56] gezza i think lindonb worked on the controller to enable actions to have a confirm step
[16:56] gezza and ticket checking
[16:57] luciash gezza: worksforme in FF (padding: 0)
[16:58] gezza hmm, maybe need toclear broser cahce
[16:58] luciash padding: 0 is applied, no idea, maybe you have cached something
[16:59] gezza thanks for the feedback
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[17:10] wolfganga_ Hello
[17:10] wolfganga_ Just watching the bigblue recording from yesterday - sry that i was unable to join.
[17:14] gezza hi wolfganga
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[17:15] gezza wolfganga, if you have time, can you revisit r54227? http://dev.tiki.org/item5559#contenttabs_view_tracker_item-2 CKEditor and Fullcalendar wont load having minify javascript enabled
[17:17] luciash hi wolfganga_
[17:18] luciash gezza: any idea why is there #top_modules, #topbar_modules, #pagebottom_modules {margin-left: -15px; margin-right: -15px} and no padding? the sitelogo and other modules in the header looks bad on first install impression with no padding
[17:20] gezza no idea, but it is too compressed, would need some marign or padding
[17:21] gezza maybe becasue they are all bootstrap rows
[17:21] wolfganga_ gezza - i will look into this. if it is a minfy issue i'll find it ;-)
[17:21] gezza bootstrap gives 15px margin
[17:22] gezza but i am just guessing :)
[17:23] luciash ok, do not guess then :) maybe gary had some reason, i will ask him
[17:23] luciash it overrides the col-md-12 setting with those negative -15px
[17:23] gezza thanks wolfganga! just enable minify javascript and try to edit a page with CKeditor or display a calendar with Fullcalendar
[17:24] wolfganga_ jonnyb - are you there?
[17:34] jonnyb hi wolfganga_ here
[17:35] jonnyb shame you didn't make it to the meeting yesterday, we talked about how we could do better not to alianate new people and i reckon you have some good insight into that ;)
[17:35] wolfganga_ jonny, since you recently fixed the popup translation thing i thought i would aks you:
[17:36] wolfganga_ using the trackerlist plugin, one can set the popup parameter.
[17:36] jonnyb (i confirm minify breaks ckeditor - it was one of the "dependency" files, which means it doesn't minify properly as it's already minified, afaik)
[17:36] wolfganga_ i wonder if is is possible to get the field order in the popup matching the fieldorder of the popup parameter
[17:37] jonnyb isn't there another parameter for that? i think...
[17:37] wolfganga_ so popup="3:7:1" would show the fields in the popup like this as well.
[17:39] wolfganga_ as with the minify thing - i'll check and fix this - (minify is to important for reducing the load time!)
[17:40] wolfganga_ Fom https://doc.tiki.org/PluginTrackerList : popup	(numeric, colon separated). When passing the mouse on a field with a link to the item in the list, a popup with the values of these field will be displayed.
[17:41] jonnyb hmm, no param for that, i'm sure i've seen something like that somewhere
[17:41] wolfganga_ The popup works, However to make it really usable the fieldorder in the popup should match the order of the field definition in the popup param.
[17:41] jonnyb maybe you have to set the order in the tracker definition
[17:42] wolfganga_ you cannot set the order in the tracker definition - and it would be a differnet anyway
[17:43] jonnyb seems to get rendered at templates/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.tpl:212
[17:44] jonnyb and it goes in the order that the fields are listed it seems
[17:49] wolfganga jonny i see it but it does not. it iterates through the fields and then compares against $popupfields
[17:50] wolfganga line 2220: {if in_array($f.fieldId, $popupfields)}
[17:50] wolfganga 220
[17:50] jonnyb yes, i mean it uses the order set (i imagine) in the fields param, not the popup one
[17:51] wolfganga and this is not *logical* it should use the popup ones.
[17:51] wolfganga anyway - i guess i can fix now that i know eher to look at :-)
[17:51] wolfganga where
[17:52] chibaguy Sorry for interruption, but a quick question: what should be the default theme for new installs?
[17:52] luciash pom pom pom, we have some question for you devs
[17:52] luciash :)
[17:52] chibaguy luci just pointed out to me in skype that the default is Bootstrap.
[17:52] wolfganga But if you already started .... *wolfgang smiles * feel free to do it
[17:52] chibaguy And the basic layout template.
[17:52] chibaguy Is this the best?
[17:53] luciash yes, now the default theme after fresh install is Default Bootstrap and Standard Bootstrap layout
[17:53] wolfganga chibaguy - i would go for boostrap standard
[17:53] jonnyb wolfganga: as long as no one else minds you altering the current behaviour (i don't user trackerlist any more so don't care ;) )
[17:53] luciash (Standard Bootstrap == basic layout)
[17:54] chibaguy hi wolfganga. My concern about bootstrap standard is: where is the Tiki imprint/identity?
[17:54] chibaguy Or originality?
[17:54] jonnyb i was guessing the default theme for 14.x would be fivealive-lite like the tiki sites
[17:54] chibaguy That was my assumption, too, I think, jonnyb.
[17:54] jonnyb :)
[17:55] chibaguy But I haven't done a fresh install for a while so didn't think about it.
[17:55] luciash I would probably go for Bootstrap default too (actually I thought it is already decided for 14) and maybe provide some quick option to try the other (Tiki) themes in the Wizards on the first login
[17:55] wolfganga i see - have not thought about that. (not long engough with tiki i guess..) - well in this case yes fivealite might make more sense
[17:55] chibaguy Do you think a post to the dev list and maybe convene vote is needed for this?
[17:55] chibaguy Or shall we just decide. ;-)
[17:55] jonnyb no, let's keep it as fa-lite
[17:55] luciash I would say so, as here are different opinions
[17:55] wolfganga But - it really must work without any hassles.
[17:55] jonnyb :P
[17:56] luciash jonnyb: the problem is "keep" does not exist - the fact is default is Bootstrap Default on fresh install now
[17:56] wolfganga some themes - at least in past - wher not fully working. that must not happen to a default theme!
[17:56] luciash so the decision is really if we should change it
[17:57] chibaguy right, wolfganga. I hope to fix those up before the final release.
[17:57] jonnyb bootstrap default doesn't look so good, imho - and 13.x was "experimental"
[17:58] chibaguy yep.
[18:00] luciash in my opinion it would be quicker to fix some padding (white space) in default simple Bootstrap look (everybody is familiar with out there) before the 14 is released than trying to catch all the fivealive(-lite) issues and inconsistencies, but that is just my opinion - I thought the fivealive-lite will be special for the community sites and not the default, but if you feel it is doable and the first impression will be better after fresh install I am OK with th
[18:00] chibaguy One thing about fivealive-lite is that it has a hardwired-height top bar, unlike the other bundled non-bootswatch themes. Is this the best for new sites? Or should the default theme have a "legacy" page header?
[18:01] luciash chibaguy: legacy aka Bootstrap legacy ?
[18:02] chibaguy Bootstrap has had a bad rep for all Bootstrap sites looking alike. If we release Tiki and it looks just like (actually and it is) a default Bootstrap, I think that'd be pretty bad promotion for Tiki.
[18:02] chibaguy No, Tiki legacy.
[18:02] jonnyb does anyone actually use the default theme for real?
[18:02] chibaguy Do you mean default Bootstrap or default Tiki?
[18:03] luciash so you mean gezza, you chibaguy and all are testing with fivealive-lite (the bootstrapification and icons changes) ?
[18:03] chibaguy (I've seen a lot of FiveAlive tiki sites - so in that case the default Tiki theme was kept by quite a few installs.
[18:03] * luciash sounds puzzled now probably
[18:03] luciash I always tested fresh install first
[18:05] jonnyb actually, so have i - fivealive tiki with a badly fitting logo, using the default blue too...
[18:05] luciash jonnyb: I do not use the default on any sites, just for testing/development
[18:05] chibaguy luciash, yes, afaik fivealive-lite is getting tested along with other themes as far as the icons and bootstrap are concerned. On thing about bootstrap and the icons is that these should be theme-independent.
[18:06] luciash jonnyb: but now I realized there is no whitespace in the default after fresh install and it gave bad first impression and realized it was intentional for the other themes like fivealive-lite as Gary told me in a Skype chat
[18:06] chibaguy yeah, the badly fitting logo - what a nightmare to give that header background for people to adapt their logo and site title to. ;-)
[18:07] luciash sorry, i mean no white space around the tiki logo
[18:08] luciash chibaguy: yeah, nightmare to please them all ;)
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[18:08] jonnyb the default theme's main point is to give a good impression, so it needs to be complete and well maintained, hence fivealive-lite seeming like the most obvious choice to me
[18:08] chibaguy I think it's a matter of where the white space is built in, for the most design flexibility. It should be at the logo itself, not in the low levels of the grid.
[18:08] luciash jonnyb: tks :)
[18:09] luciash all right, so the decision should be change the default theme to fivealive-lite, layout to something ??? and edit the default logo image to contain some whitespace (the png itself) in it ?
[18:09] chibaguy (I'm kind of defending the present layout because, although I can't remember exactly my reasoning, I do remember spending time and going back and forth with various arrangements before ending at this point. Not to say it can't be improved. But I'm too sleepy now to give good reasons for it. ;-) )
[18:12] jonnyb i'm seeing dozens of lessc error after this last svn up - loads of stuff not defined :(
[18:12] luciash (imho the Default Bootstrap should look good too when user decides to use it, so the white space around elements should be nice anyway, which is not the case right now)
[18:12] chibaguy On the topic of the header, one place that isn't ready really is the small-device view. This probably needs to be improved before the release.
[18:13] luciash lets have some sleep Gary and decide all that later over the weekend or Monday
[18:13] chibaguy that's true luciash, but shouldn't the user use proper bootstrap layout when configuring the site? so in the module zone there'd be grid divs containing whatever Bootstrap uses to avoid no-whitespace?
[18:14] luciash chibaguy: it does but the -15px are overridng it from tiki_base.css
[18:14] luciash *overriding
[18:14] chibaguy OK, I'll check again too, after sleep and coffee. ;-)
[18:15] luciash all righty, good night!
[18:15] jonnyb nn chibaguy
[18:15] chibaguy So I'll be back in 10 hours or so. good night, all. :-)
[18:27] gezza interesting conversation about default theme upon first install
[18:28] gezza i always test with Default Bootstrap and I think that one should be the default
[18:28] gezza my 2 cents
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[18:34] Tiki-KGB [FIX] filegals: Use the requested galleryId to upload into, not the root gallery even if the user can see no other galleries
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[18:36] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54355][FIX] filegals: Use the requested galleryId to upload into, not the root gallery even if the user can see no other galleries
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[18:56] Tiki-KGB [bp/r54356][bp/r54355][FIX] filegals: Use the requested galleryId to upload into, not the root gallery even if the user can see no other galleries
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[22:16] wolfganga gezza - are you there?
[22:16] gezza hi wolfganga
[22:17] wolfganga hi gezza - question could you confirm the issue with the CKEditor and the minified javascript?
[22:18] wolfganga i treid on my dev mashine and cannot reproduce.
[22:19] gezza yes, I can confirm on my local dev, jonnyb tried too
[22:19] gezza so you enabled minify javascript and used ckeditor on a page?
[22:19] wolfganga yes - that is what i did
[22:20] wolfganga do you a javascript error or so?
[22:20] wolfganga in chrome / firebug ?
[22:21] wolfganga i cheked feature: ckeditor and use html in wiki pages - then i opened a wiki page in edit mode
[22:21] wolfganga and watched the network tab and the console tab in chrome dv tools
[22:22] gezza in chrome i see: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'config' of undefined Uncaught ReferenceError: CKEDITOR is not defined
[22:22] wolfganga Mhm - Can you repouse as mentioned here: https://dev.tiki.org/item5559?from=Wishlist#contenttabs_view_tracker_item-2  on https://next.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=52179
[22:22] wolfganga reproduce
[22:23] gezza ok, I create a show instance
[22:24] gezza for calendar I get: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'config' of undefined tiki-calendar.php:947 Uncaught TypeError: undefined is not a function
[22:24] wolfganga no need to i guess - as far as the report say the problem should show up on https://next.tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=52179
[22:24] wolfganga can you see the issue there, too?
[22:25] gezza i am not so sure that is the same issue
[22:25] gezza I referenced it because torsten an d jonnyb commented into that issue
[22:26] wolfganga well, the url was posted as a refence in the bug report - so i copied from there
[22:27] wolfganga gezza - how can i reproduce / setup the calendar issue - what do i need to setup?
[22:31] gezza http://xavi-9794-5559.show.tikiwiki.org/
[22:32] gezza admin/admin
[22:32] gezza try to edit the homepage
[22:32] wolfganga ok
[22:32] gezza only thing I changed was to enable WYSIWYG
[22:32] gezza and minify javascript
[22:32] gezza the rest is the default Tiki install
[22:33] gezza i also enable here calendar
[22:33] wolfganga ok i can reproduce their - thank you
[22:34] gezza Preference feature calendar enabled (Preference name: feature_calendar)
[22:34] wolfganga can you also demo the calendar stuff there?
[22:34] gezza Preference calendar fullcalendar enabled (Preference name: calendar_fullcalendar)
[22:34] wolfganga yes see it
[22:35] wolfganga thank you again - will look into it
[22:35] gezza if you switch off Minify JavaScript, than the calendar should appear
[22:36] gezza ok, thanks!
[23:02] Tiki-KGB 03gezzzan r54363 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_structures.tpl * [FIX] apply form-control on select to have proper width
[23:04] Tiki-KGB 03gezzzan r54364 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_structures.tpl * [FIX] give button primary class
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[23:42] Tiki-KGB 03gezzzan r54366 10branches/14.x/templates/tiki-admin_structures.tpl * [FIX] proper tooltip text (anonymus cant manage, so better to say "view")