#tikiwiki 2015-07-22,Wed

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pbiendl	joined #tikiwiki Hi there! I have one question: We want to use LDAP Authentication in our Tiki, but our Sys-Admin needs to know first: Is Tiki altering the LDAP in any way? Does it change Users/Roles/Groups or such things? We want a Read-only integration of Tiki!	[10:53]
amette	Hi pbiendl - that is configurable in Tiki and by default it does not change anything. There are options like "Create user/group in directory, if it does not exist", that's all iirc.	[11:08]
pbiendl	Ah ok, just wanted to mention that option :) So this is the only thing that needs to stay deactivated? In LDAP external Groups there is some sort "Sync Tiki Groups with a directory", is this read-only too?	[11:10]
amette	Yes, I think so, but haven't used that one yet.	[11:11]
pbiendl	What we want to do is: Use the LDAP Groups inside the Tiki (and of course the Users) and set the Permission on the LDAP Groups (but only the imported LDAP Groups). It's important that Tiki doesnt alter our LDAP in any way With Permission i mean the ACL of Tiki	[11:12]
amette	Then you should test it first on a dev-copy of your LDAP.	[11:12]
pbiendl	Sadly that's not so easy in our Network :-/ thx for you help btw :)	[11:13]
amette	yw I heard some rumours about the LDAP sync being currently broken, i.e. not working, I don't mean messing up LDAPs...	[11:13]
pbiendl	I wanted to ask that question in the forums too, but due to the anti-spam-system i need to wait for a admin approval :D	[11:15]
amette	... I am not fully informed on that though... maybe jonnyb can give you more information, when he arrives.	[11:15]
pbiendl	Oh ok, this would be great :)	[11:16]
amette	Ah, yeah... we've become quite popular in recent years and spam is a real problem... be patient, it'll be approved soon.	[11:16]
pbiendl	With LDAP Sync you mean just the Group Sync or also the User Sync? I know the problem with Spambots... i'm a developer by myself, so i understand this step :)	[11:16]
amette	The Group Sync as far as I heard, logging in users works nicely afaik.	[11:17]
pbiendl	Just to clarify (just in case i got something wrong): The "LDAP" Tab is for User-Authentication only and the "LDAP External Groups" is for the LDAP Groups, right? If yes, is there a reason to seperate these two? Whats the disadvantage if i only use the User Authentication without groups? I mean, i don't want to use LDAP External Goups if i don't have to :-) The only thing i want is that our Users are able to log in with their LDAP Account... (and of course i need to specify what they're allowed to access)	[11:19]
amette	Yes, that's right. There's not really a disadvantage... you don't get LDAP Groups synchronized to Tiki. The seperation into two tabs was a developers choice back then, dunno, maybe it felt more sensible to her to seperate it because the group code was added later on. If you only need to log in users with their LDAP credentials, then just forget about the group sync. The normal LDAP login works perfectly and you can add users to groups that are stored and managed inside Tiki in the classic way.	[11:22]
pbiendl	Ok :) But if the Groups arent synced to Tiki, i have to add new LDAP Users manually to my Tiki Groups, right?	[11:23]
amette	right	[11:23]
pbiendl	Ok perfect :) Currently we are a small agency (about 10 people), should be a possible thing to do to add these to the Tiki Groups :D	[11:24]
amette	Yeah, that's not too cumbersome. Most important is to allow people to use their usual password.	[11:25]
pbiendl	Is there a specific option for that?	[11:26]
amette	Huh? No, I meant: you want to connect people to LDAP, so that they can use the same password as with every other service that is conected to LDAP.	[11:27]
pbiendl	Oh ok, now i know what you mean :) Yes this is the goal	[11:27]
amette	right :)	[11:27]
pbiendl	One last question: Is there a way to change the default Group in which new Users will be stored in? By default it's the "Registered" Group, but i made a new Group But if thats not working, i copy the Rights over to the Registered Group	[11:28]
amette	Why don't you like "Registered"? Yes, I think that would be the easiest way.	[11:29]
pbiendl	Don't know, maybe i dont want to change the default Group-Set, so if something went wrong, i still can look into the registered Group to see whats default :)	[11:30]
amette	Maybe there is a way to configure that, not sure right now... but Registered tells quite exactly what they are (logged in) and all the other groups then stack on top of that. Ah, ok, that's good thinking.	[11:30]
pbiendl	But that's not really a Problem.. i just make a Backup or Screenshots and then alter the Registered Group Thank you for all your help! :)	[11:31]
amette	You're welcome! Let us know how it goes. :)	[11:35]
pbiendl	Sure :)	[11:46]
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msaad	how can I retrieve my credentials in https://dev.tiki.org/Development ? There is no register nor lost your password anywhere to be found.. Oh, sweet. When I clicked at a random page that needed to be logged in, it showed me a note that I should register at tiki.org. msaad sight	[15:24]
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fabricius	polom hello msaad - still there? here?	[16:12]
msaad	fabricius: yes :)	[16:12]
fabricius	which credentials of dev.tiki.org do you mean?	[16:12]
msaad	I've figured it out. I'm creating a new wiki page and couldn't get a recover pw or register in dev.tiki.org	[16:13]
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msaad	I had to go to tiki.org and do it there. But I only got to know that after a good 10 minutes fiddling around :/	[16:13]
fabricius	yes, that is true - registrati on and usermanagement is centralized on tiki.org - the other community sites are Intertiki slaves/clients of the tiki.org master	[16:14]
msaad	Do we hope for new contributors to know that off hand?	[16:15]
fabricius	how you have been to the idea that you could get credentials or update your credentials on dev.tiki.org - I mean there must be a misscommunication that we should fix and mention stuff like that on appropriate places	[16:16]
msaad	At least we could put a register / recover pw on the login box redirecting to there So what happened was, I went straight to dev.tiki.org and tried to login. Couldn't figure out my credentials (was already registered). The login box didn't have an option to recover nor to register.	[16:16]
fabricius	Maybe an idea to have an optional field or note in the register module / login box to mentione the slave mode and give a link to the master	[16:17]
msaad	So I tried to view something that needed to be logged in, and from there I had a note telling me that I needed to be logged in and that it should be done at tiki.org	[16:17]
fabricius	I understand	[16:18]
msaad	yeah, just linking to it should be fine :)	[16:18]
fabricius	would you maybe make a wish in the wishlist, please?	[16:19]
msaad	I'll get to the code itself when I finish this page :D Will be a good first bug for me.	[16:19]
fabricius	nice there should be a preference added in admin?page=login for that maybe a simple textfield that can be optionally added to the loginbox.	[16:19]
msaad	Yeah, a pref that includes an <a href> on the login box. how does that sounds?	[16:22]
fabricius	maybe a simple textfield which can include WikiSyntax might be enough (could be used for whatever else if needed) or a text and a link mind the css an appropriate Bootstrap class and maybe an Id	[16:23]
msaad	Right, I'll get back to you when I'm done with this page so we can align on how to do it :)	[16:24]
fabricius	and not to forget the {tr} ... {/tr} tags to make the text translatable and mind the still effective downtime of sourceforge - svn seems still not to work for most projects including Tiki https://info.tiki.org/article235-SourceForge-net-downtime-What-it-means-and-what-happened	[16:24]
msaad	ouch!	[16:26]
fabricius	anyway you could/should try locally first and please msaad contact jonnyb first wether you commit to 14 and merge to 15 (=trunk) or commit to 15 and merge to 14 or commint to 15 only. /s/commint/commit	[16:29]
msaad	sure thing, I'll ask around a lot :P	[16:30]
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fabricius	working again .. off screen .. bbl	[16:38]
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msaad	I've been creating a new landing page for dev.tiki.org. Feedback on https://dev.tiki.org/newHome is appreciated. nelsonko: ^	[17:26]
nelsonko	msaad: rather than use the HTML plugin which requires validation approval, how about the DIV plugin and wiki syntax?	[17:29]
msaad	I'm not sure what is the DIV plugin, but about wiki syntax it's hard to position items on specific places, or to have responsive font sizes without using em	[17:30]
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fabricius	hi msaad checking the plugins	[17:53]
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jonnyb	joined #tikiwiki polom (at last) reading the log - hi fabricius and msaad	[18:12]
msaad	hi :)	[18:15]
jonnyb	good point about the reset password only being on tiki.org - we could add a module or something on the others	[18:15]
fabricius	hi jonnyb	[18:15]
msaad	jonnyb: exactly that :)	[18:16]
fabricius	msaad: please check https://dev.tiki.org/newHome and compare first section version with WikiSyntax and version with HTML	[18:16]
msaad	fabricius: will do!	[18:16]
jonnyb	it was the page change notifications on that which prompted me to log in (and thank fabricius for wikifying it, that's just what i was thinking!)	[18:17]
msaad	Well.. I ge that.. but then it's one more thing to learn and slow down the process..	[18:18]
fabricius	np jonnyb - just the first section to show msaad how to do the rest ;-)	[18:18]
jonnyb	hmm, the wrong login error on dev isn't very nice is it...	[18:21]
msaad	not at all :(	[18:22]
jonnyb	so i tihnk the best things for the "i forgot" login issue on dev etc would be to make the login module clever enough to have the right link (e.g. to https://tiki.org/tiki-remind_password.php)	[18:33]
msaad	when using the WikiSyntax, how can I deal with urls that aren't from dev.tiki.org? it's not recognizing many of them..	[18:34]
gezza	hi msaad	[18:35]
jonnyb	use [http://example.com\|link label] for external links	[18:36]
gezza	you can use this syntax: [https://tiki.org/tiki-newsletters.php?nlId=6&info=1\|Sign up now]	[18:36]
jonnyb	hi gezza	[18:36]
gezza	hi jonnyb	[18:36]
jonnyb	you can use the toolbar button (next to the one for wiki page links)	[18:37]
msaad	ok.. thanks..	[18:38]
	Right, moved it to WikiSyntax. What are your thoughts on the content so far jonnyb, gezza, fabricius, nelsonko (and all) ? Do you like how it's flowing, should I keep the informal tone, etc My idea is to make it easier for newcomers to have access to must read articles / key information at this first page. I don't want to pollute with information, but at the same time I'll be linking them to different articles as they see fit.	[18:46]
nelsonko	+1 to informal tone	[18:48]
fabricius	msaad: for cross tiki community site links you might want to use this syntax: ((doc:Documentation)) to link from dev and other communty sites to page "Documentation" on community site doc.tiki.org	[18:48]
jonnyb	hi nelsonko	[18:49]
fabricius	informal tone seems good to me from devs to devs ( +1 )	[18:49]
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fabricius	hin nelsonko	[18:49]
msaad	fabricius: anything wrong about using [ link \| text ] syntax instead?	[18:50]
fabricius	but please wikify instead of htmling msaad	[18:50]
jonnyb	+0 for the informal tone i'm afraid - not my cup of tea ;)	[18:50]
msaad	fabricius: it should be already.	[18:50]
gezza	i am experimenting with landing pages here: https://tiki.org/HomePage and here: https://tiki.org/Download	[18:50]
msaad	(I left something behind, removing it).	[18:50]
gezza	maybe we can try to have somecommon patterns visually	[18:51]
jonnyb	also the random capitalisation and exclamation marks are a bit... odd (but don't mind me, i'll shut up ;) )	[18:51]
nelsonko	hi all. btw info.tiki.org articles import works locally, waiting for svn to come back alive before it can work (needed a fix)	[18:52]
fabricius	+1 for some common patterns	[18:52]
gezza	nelsonko great, i would need those articles to finalize the homepage "mockup"	[18:52]
msaad	jonnyb: feedback is welcomed :) About visual patterns, I'm trying to achieve a nested structure. Am I not achieving it somehow?	[18:52]
fabricius	msaad - already an improvement. "problem" in the wiki way: once you start improving, likely more people will appear trying to improve even more ;-)	[18:54]
gezza	msaad - the content is looking better, i meant the positing and styling of information	[18:56]
msaad	fabricius: I'm happy with that !	[18:56]
fabricius	next msaad: we started with a new tiki.org landing page replacing the odd redirect to info.tiki.org, which eventually will be mirated to tiki.org - and thus the work with the main pages will eventually influence the other commuity sites aswell	[18:56]
msaad	good to hear that fabricius. gezza: So, something about the positioning and styling isn't good? Please let me know!	[18:57]
gezza	although i would not put stress on "I Don’t Know What to Do", maybe better to have something more encouraging, like "Here is what you can do!"	[18:58]
fabricius	see here what we are working on: https://tiki.org/HomePage	[18:58]
gezza	or something similar just brainstorming here :)	[18:58]
fabricius	+1 for encouraging style like "Here is what you can do!"	[18:58]
msaad	changed it to "Contribution Pathways"	[19:03]
jonnyb	the PHP bit is a bit imncomplete - tiki's written in PHP, Smarty and JavaScript (and a hint of XML) - but maybe that confuses things... but it is "mostly" php (55% according to https://www.openhub.net/p/tikiwiki)	[19:03]
msaad	jonnyb: indeed it does. PHP is the bare minimum to get started.	[19:04]
gezza	msaad I'am glad you started this! join us tomorrow for the roundtable so we can share ideas	[19:04]
msaad	Sure.. I'll be there	[19:05]
jonnyb	fabricius: i think we should help gezza with converting https://tiki.org/HomePage to wiki too :)	[19:06]
fabricius	just looked over the code and thought to mention that here	[19:06]
gezza	yes, help me! :)	[19:06]
fabricius	about 1 minute ago hmmm using together.js	[19:06]
gezza	i could not sort out things the way I wanted using wiki syntax	[19:06]
fabricius	buuut is that fix already upgraded?	[19:07]
jonnyb	which fix fabricius ?	[19:07]
fabricius	the together fix from Jonny for edit mode?	[19:07]
jonnyb	yes, that's on tiki.org	[19:08]
fabricius	cool so: https://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=HomePage#&togetherjs=djH4pRIIT4 gezza where are you? we are helping you	[19:08]
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fabricius	hi chibaguy	[19:41]
chibaguy	hi fabricius Are you guys working on the new homepage?	[19:41]
fabricius	did	[19:44]
chibaguy	Just a note about using Bootstrap divs in the wiki area: there shouldn't be any "container" classes there.	[19:44]
fabricius	have been a few minutes ah, haven't seen => must say gezza	[19:44]
chibaguy	container classes are already specified in the tpl. The hierarchy is container > row > grid class. I sent gezza an email. Maybe he didn't get it.	[19:45]
fabricius	thx rows in the page, container in the tpl	[19:46]
chibaguy	Well, if grid classes are used in the wiki area, they should be in a row div.	[19:46]
fabricius	yes row surrounds any 12grid ?	[19:47]
chibaguy	And container divs have a width set as they are the content ... containers. yeah.	[19:47]
gezza	ttthey dont necessarly ned a row, you can put a clearfix too	[19:48]
chibaguy	Well, surrounds any if you want to have a nice grid in the text.	[19:48]
gezza	rows are used only in the base layouts not int he pages	[19:48]
chibaguy	mmm, not necessarily.	[19:48]
gezza	asfaik	[19:48]
chibaguy	gezza, did you get an email I sent a few days ago? It had a good reference in a link..	[19:49]
gezza	http://getbootstrap.com/components/#jumbotron this needs a container	[19:49]
chibaguy	nope.	[19:50]
gezza	chibaguy i did not get email, when did you send? "To make the jumbotron full width, and without rounded corners, place it outside all .containers and instead add a .container within"	[19:50]
chibaguy	is your email at yahoo? right, that's full width of the viewport. And not inside other column divs, etc.	[19:50]
gezza	i was trying to get a real full width	[19:51]
chibaguy	I see. Sorry then.	[19:51]
gezza	but there is aproblem with perspectives, the option to swithc off ffixed width does not show up in the list of preferences	[19:52]
chibaguy	But I believe I noticed other container divs in the page.	[19:52]
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gezza	would like to achieve full width for backgrounds like here for example: https://www.atlassian.com/ i cant get it done, so any help appreciated :)	[19:53]
chibaguy	Is your email at yahoo ?	[19:54]
gezza	can you join tomorrow for the webinar? yes, it is at yahoo	[19:54]
chibaguy	ok, I'll try sending it again. Yes, I'll be at the webinar/roundtable.	[19:54]
gezza	i got emails from you before, so itis strange	[19:54]
chibaguy	I sent it again, so maybe this time is ok.	[19:57]
fabricius	gezza, I guess I broke the HomePage	[19:57]
chibaguy	I think content should be worked out first, without thinking about layout. Anyway, that's the approach I like. I prefer a kind of outline or text-only page. Then apply a layout to that. No need to spend time on layout before the content is pretty solid IMO. And what is the purpose of the layout? What is the flow through the page, that the viewer is expected to follow? The path, with main points, etc.? This is one way to make a page coherently without dozens of edits to refine content and layout twisted together. Anyway, see you tomorrow. fabricius, the solution there is to rollback, isn't it?	[19:58]
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fabricius	no ... tried ... it seems that someone (luci?) just activated the autotoc ... set off for the page now and sorted	[20:03]
gezza	seems ok to me what did you break? chibaguy did not get your email i just dropped you one	[20:03]
chibaguy	ok, thanks.	[20:07]
gezza	about the homepage: well, there needs to be something that can be discussed	[20:08]
chibaguy	I sent again, but I think it's the same address. Here's the link that I mentioned in the email: http://www.helloerik.com/the-subtle-magic-behind-why-the-bootstrap-3-grid-works	[20:09]
gezza	than we make it better incrementally	[20:09]
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gezza	i dont mind if it looks completely different in the end	[20:10]
chibaguy	True, it's a wiki so can be edited freely. But I prefer to discuss something that's text since the layout can be a distraction from text ideas. But just my opinion. Anyway it's late here so I'll be back online tomorrow.	[20:10]
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fabricius	gezza: I did NOT break, sorry for false alarm - someone activated autotoc as default, which then has been shown above the big logo including the links to the featured sites. did need a few minutes to figure that out and switched off the autotoc for the page	[20:23]
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