#tikiwiki 2015-07-23,Thu

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	Morning! :-) Are there any News when Tiki 15 LTS will be availible?	[09:29]
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amette	polom	[11:26]
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chibaguy	Hi amette	[12:10]
amette	hi chibaguy :)	[12:21]
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amette	Ah, Tiki\|bot is back.. :-/	[14:00]
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fabricius	polom how walks amette ?	[14:48]
amette	lol - walks so - and self? no, actually walks well, nothing to whine about at my end	[14:49]
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fabricius	me walks well either. Just a bit too less power due to heat. cannot accomplish too much in acceptable times. Meanwhile flows me the soup the back down. hi msaad	[14:53]
msaad	fabricius: hey!	[14:54]
fabricius	msaad: how thinks are going related to the login panel? /s/thinks/things	[14:55]
msaad	Haven't worked on that yet :), in fact you should go ahead and do it if you want, because I don't know when I'll be able to get it done. my schedule is really messed up lately.	[14:56]
fabricius	msaad: sadly I am anyway behind my stuff ... have to work off the existing stuff first	[14:57]
msaad	yeah, I know how that is :/	[14:57]
fabricius	maybe the summer msaad	[14:57]
msaad	oh, it will be winter here, but still 29C hahahahah	[14:58]
fabricius	ah you are south half? India or Australia? 29 C => India I guess	[14:58]
msaad	hahaha nah, brazil!	[14:59]
fabricius	Braazzzil nice man	[14:59]
msaad	and it gets even worse if you go a little bit up north, like 35~40C	[14:59]
fabricius	where there?	[14:59]
msaad	Small city close to Sao Paulo and you?	[14:59]
fabricius	35~40C we have here aswell, but we are not so much used to ... a godd 5 to 10 C higher than usual in average summer <=> maybe to do with global warming? Wuerzburg, midsized city in the middle between Frankfurt and Nuremberg	[15:00]
msaad	Live long and prosper Germany! o/	[15:02]
fabricius	thx man !	[15:02]
msaad	Yeah, probably global warming for sure!	[15:02]
fabricius	World champions .	[15:02]
msaad	My grandma speaks german, her mom came from Berlin back in the days. Yeah, eternal 7x1!! :D I tried to learn german, but it's way too hard compared to latin languages (french, italian, portuguese, spanish)	[15:02]
fabricius	Our guys did win against one of the best national teams (or football countries) ... what can be better for historical reports to have won the final against Brazil in Brazil ... greatest honour. But you speak English ok, English seems a bit easier than German	[15:04]
msaad	exactly. But still, Brazil had an awful team back then, and still has. Since 2006 it was awful.. Germany had a great team, always been a fan of schweinsteiger and neuer ;D english is easy hahahaha, that's why everybody speaks it	[15:06]
fabricius	I'd like to see more Brazilians in the Tiki community .. not yet really any an active Portuguese Language Tiki User Group	[15:09]
msaad	fabricius: that is something I want to improve.. Translations.. We cannot rely on English when it comes to having a big user base outside english speaking countries.. Only 20% or less of the population here understands english (nearly half when it comes to speaking).	[15:10]
fabricius	You might want to chat with Rodrigo about the status of Tiki online translation website (i18n.tiki.org) and the state and structure of merging the results to svn in 2010 a few people od the then founded DeTUG (GermanLanguageTikiUserGroup) did translate to 98 to 100 %, which we more or less keep since.	[15:11]
msaad	Thats nice! Yeah, I've been taking a look on i18n, but i18n / l10n should be separated things ideally I'm pt-BR product owner in Mozilla, so I manage the community to get our products localized and stuff. There are lots of things we can do to increase the number of volunteers that want to help on translating Tiki!	[15:13]
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amette	Hi jonnyb, just in time for change of shift - I'm off now. ;)	[15:20]
jonnyb	hi and bye amette coming to the meeting later?	[15:20]
amette	Yes, I'll try to be there for an hour at least.	[15:21]
jonnyb	:)	[15:21]
msaad	hi jonnyb :). Talking about the meeting, what time will it happen? =D	[15:21]
jonnyb	hi msaad - 18:00 UTC i think, i'll check... yup, 18:00 UTC - more info here: https://tiki.org/Roundtable+Meeting+2015+07	[15:22]
msaad	awesome, thanks :) loved to see that gezza wants to showcase Transifex! Yay! gezza: have you ever seen https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ (live localization editing HTML nodes!)	[15:24]
fabricius	https://twitter.com/sourceforge/ gezza here?	[15:28]
jonnyb	hi fabricius	[15:29]
fabricius	hi jonnyb	[15:29]
pbiendl	Hi jonnyb :) I heard you can tell me more about if the LDAP external groups are currently broken? :)	[15:30]
gezza	hi msaad and all	[15:31]
jonnyb	hi pbiendl - sorry, never used LDAP, don't know how to set it up even	[15:31]
gezza	i dont know pontoon from mozilla, will check it out seems like the interactive translation tool in Tiki	[15:31]
msaad	gezza: yes, sort of :D	[15:34]
gezza	it is not for the same as transifex i mean it helps to translate what you see, but there are things you dont see, eg: error messages anyway, I keep reading, thanks for the link!	[15:34]
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msaad	gezza: yes, it's meant for static content only.	[15:37]
gezza	msaad have you used transifex? i tested a bit, it looks promising to me, but would be good to have opinions from long time users	[15:39]
pbiendl	jonnyb: Ok, thx anyway :)	[15:41]
fabricius	Hi pbiendl, nice to get more German speakers into the community	[15:41]
pbiendl	How did you know fabricius? :D	[15:42]
fabricius	Validated your registration pbiendl	[15:42]
pbiendl	Oh ok, that was you :) Thx!	[15:42]
jonnyb	pbiendl: from tikifests - we were the only TikiCamp (so far) in Strasbourg a few years ago	[15:43]
msaad	gezza: Yes, I've managed and used Transifex a lot! It's quite a good tool.	[15:43]
fabricius	pbiendl: you might ask amette - maybe he has a clue - one of our Linux sysadmins. He is living in Berlin, is longtime active in the community and freelancing consultant	[15:43]
msaad	but I don't remember why we moved from Transifex to Pootle	[15:44]
pbiendl	jonnyb: Oh there are Tikifests? Need to look into it :) fabricius: Well, we don't need LDAP Groups for now, the normal User Authentication is just fine :)	[15:44]
jonnyb	https://tiki.org/TikiFest	[15:45]
pbiendl	But at first i didn't get why there are two tabs, one for users, one for groups - but the community helped me already, you DONT have to use groups at all	[15:45]
fabricius	Two other Linux sysadmins / consultants in the community I'd recommend to ask would be Jyhem (Jean-Marc) from Strasbourg and refizul (Frank) from Duesseldorf pbiendl: Not working with groups in Tiki? How you would sort the permissions then in a company environment?	[15:45]
pbiendl	It's nice to hear that some sysadmins are from Germany too :) Uhm... we are only about 10 people for now... they all go into the Registrered Group - no need for other groups :) Maybe our bosses will be in another group, but assigning them to another/second group takes about 2minutes	[15:46]
fabricius	pbiendl: next TikiFest: around FROSCON - TikiFest 19 to 23/24 Aug - Froscon 22/23 Aug - we will stay in Bonn; FROSCON will be in St. Augustin near Bonn (a few minutes by Tram)	[15:49]
pbiendl	Well, i'm from near Passau... the other side of germany... Czech would be maybe the better option for me :D	[15:50]
gezza	msaad great to hear that you have experience with transifex, we will discuss about it in the roundtable have to go now, bye	[15:50]
msaad	gezza: ttyl!	[15:51]
fabricius	Sadly we do not (yet) have roles. At the last TikiFest gezza did introduce Atlassians roles concept, which could be seen as templates for group permissions ... be in group A in a certain category and in group B in another category ... We did not yet find a good way to do similar in tiki, but I guess we will find some good way bye gezza pbiendl: so maybe next year in Czechia. In Bonn you could meet myself, amette, refizul, Jyhem and nelsonko (who will be coming from Canada)	[15:51]
pbiendl	Wow... maybe i should be quiet then and don't whine about the other side of germany.. :D But yes, maybe next year in Czechia :)	[15:53]
fabricius	amette, refizul and myself are frequently discussion how to improve things for and around the DeTUG (GermanLanguageTikiUserGroup) ... and recently a number of Germans with company background appeared. Maybe you register for the group on tiki.org => https://tiki.org/DeTUG	[15:58]
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pbiendl	Sure, but i don't see any register button?	[16:05]
jonnyb	off out for a little while, bbl...	[16:06]
pbiendl	Ah ok... need to login.. :D	[16:06]
	Maybe i'm just too dumb, but how do i access this DeTUG Group?	[16:13]
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pbiendl	fabricius: Can you tell me how to get into that TUG_GermanLanguage Group?	[16:19]
fabricius	on the phone - moment	[16:20]
pbiendl	no problem :)	[16:21]
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fabricius	back pbiendl: you are registered on tiki.org => login	[16:39]
pbiendl	Already did that	[16:40]
fabricius	u r on the DeTUG page?	[16:41]
pbiendl	yep	[16:41]
fabricius	scroll down a bit and see a number of Tabs => Willkommen, die Gruppe, Dokumentation etc. second tab "die Gruppe"	[16:42]
pbiendl	already there :)	[16:42]
fabricius	see a list of group members and add yourself below the list mustt be a button	[16:42]
pbiendl	Uhm actually no, there is no button	[16:43]
fabricius	nothing like add in the group?	[16:43]
pbiendl	I only see the list of Members and below the last Name (Torsten Fabricius) there comes "Du musst angemeldet sein, um die Mitgliederliste zu sehen und um Dich eintragen zu k�nnen. "	[16:43]
fabricius	I relogin with a testuser and check ... gimme a minute	[16:43]
	I see ... on the way fixing	[16:48]
pbiendl	"Ich hab nichts gemacht!" ;)	[16:49]
fabricius	pbiendl: please F5 and check	[16:56]
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fabricius	should work now	[16:59]
pbiendl	Worked, thanks :)	[16:59]
fabricius	fine	[16:59]
jonnyb	repolom	[17:00]
fabricius	I had to add a permission, which was not necessary previously wolod jonnyb	[17:00]
pbiendl	ok :)	[17:00]
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fabricius	polom nelsonko	[18:51]
nelsonko	polom	[18:51]
fabricius	see you later in the meeting? need to leave the house for an hour now	[18:52]
nelsonko	see you soon i n the meeting	[18:53]
msaad	chibaguy: thanks for those links :)	[19:02]
chibaguy	Sure. I put some basic documentation together at themes.tiki.org since releasing the Bootstrap-based Tiki versions. There've been contributions on that since the Bootstrap conversion got started, but I've been categorizing out of date pages as "retired" and making them visible only to admins at the themes site. So we can focus on providing up-to-date Bootstrap-era information with less ancient info, etc. cluttering things up.	[19:03]
msaad	That's great. We can focus on getting pages with important content done first.	[19:07]
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jonnyb	hi chibaguy - you're up late? going to make it to the meeting?	[19:09]
chibaguy	I don't know how old-version info is handled with Mozilla, but with Tiki we've been doing things like putting it in tabs or page sections. At a certain point the really old stuff needs to be retired from the page but I don't thing we have a systematic way to do that. Hi jonnyb. Yes, if I can hang on a while longer I'll be there. ;-)	[19:09]
jonnyb	well done, and good luck! :)	[19:10]
chibaguy	thanks :-)	[19:10]
msaad	chibaguy: well, the new websites like webmaker and teach.mozilla.org are prioritizing mobile nowadays, but they haven't figured out the old websites yet. It's not like we have much content over there too ^^ tabs is generally okey when the content isn't a must-show. Elements with toggling is also an option.	[19:10]
chibaguy	I see. Yeah, with the transition to Bootstrap, especially at themes.tiki.org, I really wanted to start from zero almost.	[19:12]
msaad	Having a blank slate is alwaaaaaays better. I see your point!	[19:12]
chibaguy	Themes.tiki.org is easier because there isn't so much content, and not so much activity. Doc.tiki.org and dev.tiki.org (by the way, people often/usually write doc.t.o or dev.t.o, etc. for these) are bigger challenges because of a lot more content.'	[19:14]
msaad	(thanks for the tip).	[19:14]
chibaguy	But you'll run across statements like "As of Tiki 2.0,...." like that information is still important to anyone. ;-) Historians of trivia, maybe.	[19:14]
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msaad	At the same time, most of the content on those websites are static (text), which helps a lot. It's a matter of getting the layout bootstrapped right (which will take longer). hahahahahahha good one. s/right/right?	[19:15]
Bsfez	Polom	[19:16]
chibaguy	Right, there hasn't really been much said or done about responsive layout within pages (wiki content). Although I think most images have img-responsive class, and tables are in div.table-responsive usually.	[19:16]
msaad	that's good enough for most scenarios	[19:17]
Bsfez	Hi msaad, Chibaguy	[19:17]
msaad	Hey Bsfez!	[19:17]
chibaguy	Hi Bsfez (Bernard).	[19:17]
Bsfez	Roundtable is in 45mn right ?	[19:17]
chibaguy	Yep.	[19:18]
msaad	yeap. Still haven't had lunch! >=( 2pm here.	[19:18]
Bsfez	ahhhh…. quick pasta !!!! :D	[19:18]
msaad	hahahahaha I've ordered some sushi, still waiting on it to arrive! Maybe they went fishing.. xD	[19:18]
chibaguy	well, it'll be fresh. ;-)	[19:19]
Bsfez	ha ha ha...	[19:19]
msaad	says who lives in Chiba! nothing will ever get close as close as being fresh here :p	[19:20]
chibaguy	:-)	[19:20]
Bsfez	(45mn to do pasta, eat, shower… hum)… cu !	[19:21]
msaad	you gotta shower for the meeting? That's fancy!	[19:22]
jonnyb	http://live.tiki.org still redirects to https://tiki.org/brtug even though i removed that perspective from the multidomain pref - most odd, maybe something weird in the htaccess...	[19:26]
luciash__	polom pom pom	[19:36]
jonnyb	polom luciash__ (nice underscores! ;) )	[19:36]
luciash__	lol just checking before the meeting ;) weirdly i do not seem to be able to change the nick currently	[19:36]
Bsfez	msaad… after digging a whole of 2 meters 50cm deep… you need a shower no matter what you do next lol	[19:40]
jonnyb	hi Bsfez - that sounds like fun (or is it the other one?)	[19:41]
Bsfez	that sound like something stuck in a pipe ! :D	[19:44]
msaad	Bsfez: Agreed lol	[19:45]
fabricius	repolom	[19:58]
chibaguy	the round table will soon begin: https://tiki.org/live	[19:59]
msaad	wait, the html5 client doesn't work?! arghhhhhhh nooo for flash!!	[20:01]
jonnyb	meeting room is ready! :) https://tiki.org/live	[20:02]
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fabricius	html5 not working? gosh ... happened recently ... bad restarting and joining BBB then	[20:02]
msaad	Had to fallback to flash :/	[20:03]
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Trouche	joined #tikiwiki I am trying to export data from my local copy of tikiwiki (14) to our new server copy (also 14). However, exporting the structure results in the following error message, "Can not add the page: <page name>/<page name>". I have ZipArchive installed. Any ideas?	[22:35]
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