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[09:25] DarthDepa Hi guys! :) I have some problem with Tikiwiki Authentication
[09:25] DarthDepa I set up the auth system to use my CAS server (that is bind with an LDAP server)
[09:26] DarthDepa The login works fine ;) but I cann't figure out how to import LDAP groups of the user! :(
[09:27] DarthDepa If I use the LDAP auth method for tiki, groups works fine! I also tried to configure "LDAP external server for groups" but no result... Any idea??
[09:27] DarthDepa I have Tikiwiki 14.x
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[09:34] gezza polom
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[09:35] DarthDepa Hi :)
[09:35] gezza fabricius just keep you updated: i made a page for the transifex workflow https://tiki.org/Translation+workflow+using+transifex, also contacted transifex about the language.js file that is not recognized currently
[09:36] gezza hi darthdepa
[09:36] DarthDepa gezza: May you help me?
[09:36] fabricius wolod
[09:36] fabricius Hi gezza
[09:36] fabricius have seen the page yesterday - thk you!
[09:37] fabricius I brought German translation from 73% to 76% yesterday ... heading towards 80%
[09:37] gezza darthdepa : maybe I can help, depending on what is the issue :)
[09:37] DarthDepa I set up the auth system to use my CAS server (that is bind with an LDAP server)
[09:37] DarthDepa The login works fine ;) but I cann't figure out how to import LDAP groups of the user! :(
[09:37] fabricius least goal has to be >95% for the most important languages
[09:37] DarthDepa If I use the LDAP auth method for tiki, groups works fine! I also tried to configure "LDAP external server for groups" but no result... Any idea??
[09:37] DarthDepa I have Tikiwiki 14.x
[09:38] gezza fabricius : download your translation to local from time to time
[09:38] fabricius why?
[09:38] DarthDepa So, If I use LDAP auth method all works fine... If I use CAS auth, qhen user login Tiki can not know his groups
[09:38] DarthDepa :(
[09:38] gezza we will come to test soon automated updates, things can go wrong :)
[09:39] gezza darthdepa : i am not familiar with the LDAP integration, have checked the documentation?
[09:39] fabricius ah please report early enough and we all must take care about backing up languages where any contributions have been made
[09:39] DarthDepa Yeah... Nothing special :(
[09:40] DarthDepa Seems that "LDAP External server for groups" is not working well
[09:41] DarthDepa Because if I have CAS Auth method I hope that ""LDAP External server for groups"" import groups at login for me
[09:41] gezza not sure this is any help, but check here too for information: https://tiki.org/forum17
[09:41] fabricius gezza, DarthDepa we must somehow bring the LDAP users together ... every so often someone pops up, often fram a small company environment, but not really networking - we NEED to get the LDAP expertise to one table!
[09:42] gezza fabricius: there is a forum for this, i just linked it
[09:42] DarthDepa Yeah... I will try to ask there
[09:42] DarthDepa thanks a lot
[09:42] DarthDepa :)
[09:43] gezza sorry I cant be more help
[09:43] DarthDepa np, man :) I know that there are lot of things that seems not good here
[09:43] DarthDepa thanks anyway
[09:43] DarthDepa :)
[09:44] fabricius gezza, I know, but that seems not to work out, for some logical reason ... not enough activity in this topic causes few activity in this topic ... need action of Community Team
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[09:44] gezza :) please report back if you succeed, just post on a forum
[09:46] fabricius DarthDepa: I am thinking to somehow actively connect LDAP users with each other, maybe offering a webinar / roundtable meeting or so ... and if it is only to find out where the different people and companies have reached to or are stuck
[09:47] fabricius DarthDepa: would you be interested in such an approach?
[09:47] DarthDepa fabricius: I'm not an expert about LDAP... not at all lol
[09:48] DarthDepa In my company, we use LDAP and CAS for some services
[09:48] gezza brb
[09:49] DarthDepa fabricius: anyway, I think that is a good thing to do! ;)
[09:49] fabricius I think most of the LDAP users around are not the experts, but use it somehow in a company environment and have to figure out things ... that brings me to the idea to let people stick together in a community driven but professional way
[09:49] fabricius good
[09:49] fabricius by the way: are you from italy?
[09:49] DarthDepa Yeah ;)
[09:49] fabricius very good
[09:50] fabricius would you be interested in helping the Italian translation getting to a higher percentage?
[09:50] fabricius the Tiki Translation Team needed some more contributors in a number of important languages
[09:50] DarthDepa I have no much time :(
[09:51] DarthDepa I'm involved in some others projects and I have no time left
[09:51] fabricius It is so easy to contribute, that you even could quickly login for only few strings, whenever you find stuff that should be translated for your company
[09:52] fabricius that easy, that you maybe could encoiurage collegues who are using Tiki in the company aswell
[09:53] fabricius We just started a pilot project on Transifex, where I increased German from 73% to 76% yesterday evening in a break time besides watching some television series
[09:54] fabricius just besides in the browser a few strings and i have been surprised by myself
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[09:54] fabricius anyway, just give a shout whenever you like to do a bit
[09:55] fabricius https://www.transifex.com/organization/tiki/
[09:56] DarthDepa Yeah, I will look
[09:56] DarthDepa :) thanks
[10:00] fabricius ;-)
[10:01] pbiendl fabricius: Hopefully there are no "D'oh"s in the Translations :D
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[10:07] fabricius pbiendl hi, I found a number of funny things, double and multiple same strings, misstranslations ... need to talk with the DeTUG about translation strategies, soon
[10:08] fabricius pbiendl: one question is "Sie" or "Du" and I feel strongly from previous comments, that "Sie" get's more and more support, as more companies get interested in Tiki - what do you think?
[10:08] pbiendl Well, if the Community does the Translations that's an error that will occour all the time... most of the time the problem is the out-of-context-translation. You don't really know where this string appears
[10:09] fabricius you are right and there are spots where this occour more and spots where translation is obvious
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[10:11] pbiendl Well i dont know, in some CMS you can choose between these two, i configure all my CMSs with "Du" if possible, but there are other companies too, which want to use a formal form of "Sie". Just compare Typo3 and Wordpress... Wordpress is more personally, Typo3 more professional just by changing the salutation
[10:11] fabricius Working with Transifex since a few days, I feel that has advantages in this respect aswell and maybe the Tiki internal online translation could be used for a subsequent quality control
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[10:17] pbiendl fabricius: Some time ago i did some translations for PrestaShop. They use https://crowdin.com/, and they solve the out-of-context-errors really good
[10:17] fabricius I think into the following direction (still can be commented by other community mebers):
[10:17] fabricius 1. Get German back up to near 100%
[10:17] fabricius 2. Same time switch to "formal (Sie)" for "de"
[10:17] fabricius 3. Create a "casual (Du)" branch as "de_informell"
[10:17] fabricius where "de_informell" might get another naming aswell
[10:17] fabricius 4. Cleanup English source file (which can be done independantly from language teams
[10:17] fabricius 5. recheck context with interactive i18n capability of Tiki and merge outcomings into Transifex
[10:19] fabricius I will share the crowdin.com link and check that aswell thx. Transifex is a promising pilot project for us, yet no final desicion made. I think the most important thing is getting non-tecchie  contributors motivated.
[10:21] pbiendl Just watch the Demo, they also have in-context-translation (like the inline-edit in Tiki)
[10:22] pbiendl Here the example: https://demo.crowdin.com/profile/demo
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[10:32] fabricius pbiendl: I added Crowdin as another alternative here: https://tiki.org/Translation+revisit - you might want to add your experience to the page Pro/Con to help us evaluate ... ned some information, before we take a lot of time and test productively
[10:34] fabricius /s/ned/need
[10:35] pbiendl Uhm i don't think that this will help, the translation i did is about 2-3 years ago - the current version is completely different from the one i translated with. :-) But i think the Demos will give a good overview over the possibilities.
[10:37] gezza polom
[10:37] gezza thanks for the tip pbiendl !
[10:38] pbiendl np :)
[10:38] pbiendl But am i retared or what does "polom" mean?! :D
[10:39] gezza it is a greating :)
[10:40] gezza something like "hi"
[10:40] pbiendl Oh ok :)
[10:40] gezza check the photo: https://tiki.org/TikiFestCEST
[10:43] pbiendl Wait Polom was the Place of the TikiFest and now it's a Greeting? Then i'm not retared and it's just a insider :P
[10:43] fabricius and enlighted member anser to polom either bolow or wolod or moloq, which are all "mirrored" versions of the same greeting ... still waiting for all four in a row from 4 different members unbroken by comments ;-)
[10:44] pbiendl wtf
[10:44] pbiendl :D
[10:46] gezza historically: polom has been a greating (coming from lord of the rings?) for long time, then there was a tikifest in czech republic where we found a nearby village that was named Polom to take a photo there
[10:46] gezza anyway, it is a greating :)
[10:47] pbiendl polom was mentioned in LOTR?
[10:49] pbiendl Well, i Austria there's a town called "Fucking" - would be a nice Greeting too ...... ;)
[10:51] gezza hehe, i am afraid some might get offended, so i guess we stick with polom :)
[10:52] fabricius And we have Amerika in Germany ... a lot of funny names of places around, once you put them in some context
[10:53] fabricius yes +1 for polom and u really can twist it in 3 other directions and still write
[10:54] fabricius gezza: look what I did find in the translations: "Please type this word backwards"
[10:54] gezza sounds funny
[10:55] fabricius another one: "The terms and conditions were modified while you were reading them"
[10:55] gezza in which feature is that I wonder
[10:55] gezza :D
[10:55] fabricius straight followed by: "You are required to approve the terms of use to continue"
[10:55] gezza that is even funnier
[10:55] gezza some gems
[10:55] fabricius which I find extra funny in this context
[10:55] fabricius yeahh
[10:55] fabricius hope to find more without missing
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[12:03] luciash polom!
[12:03] luciash what is funny? :)
[12:04] fabricius hi luci
[12:04] luciash the first one is from the captcha alternative spambot solution I think
[12:05] luciash the another one is from ToS feature
[12:05] fabricius when Tiki tells you to type words backwards or when Tiki asks you to accept terms and condition to proceed which it tells you same time have been changed upon you are reading them
[12:05] fabricius It is mostly funny out of context, as in context it might make sense
[12:05] luciash well, it can (rarely) happen
[12:05] luciash :)
[12:06] luciash pbiendl: it was not in the LOTR movies but in the books
[12:06] pbiendl Oh ok :)
[12:09] fabricius luciash: do you remind who used "polom" in the book?
[12:09] luciash there was a person called Tom Bombadil who used to say it when entering forest
[12:09] fabricius ahh Tom
[12:09] luciash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bombadil
[12:11] pbiendl Ah Tom Bombadil... too sad he wasn't mentioned in the movies :)
[12:11] pbiendl Maybe there'll be a seperate movie about him - would be great
[12:11] fabricius WOW just pushed German translation under 4000 strings untranslated
[12:12] fabricius still 76% ... must get 80% these days and soon try to overtake Xavis Catalan (85%) :D
[12:13] luciash :)
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[12:24] fabricius gezza are you there?
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[12:25] fabricius gezza I found a lot of double and multiple identical strings in the English source - we should sort that out => where can I download, fix and back upload the source?
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[12:40] jonnyb polomonday
[12:40] gezza fabricius yes, there are lots of nearly identical lines
[12:40] gezza we should tackle those too, but it is a separate project :)
[12:41] gezza you can search for where a string is used using phpstorm
[12:41] fabricius nearly identical lines result in inconsistencies in templates - this would be a more advanced project imho, but I am referring to exactly identical lines
[12:42] gezza exacty identical? that is weird
[12:42] fabricius yes a bunch of
[12:42] gezza can you give an example?
[12:42] fabricius loking up
[12:45] fabricius not finding off hand - I'll note them once i stumble over again
[12:46] fabricius have an appointment soon and so need to leave soon - be back in the evening
[12:49] fabricius ahh maybe certain string are not accepted by Transifex - prblems with tings like %0 ... sometimes takes characters from the next word into account and that changes in translations, causing problems ... need to look into that
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[13:48] chibaguy polom
[13:48] jonnyb pompom chibaguy
[13:48] chibaguy hi jonny
[13:48] chibaguy jonnyb in fact
[13:48] jonnyb :)
[13:49] jonnyb i found the ancient javascript that's suppsed to show/hide the article form elements depending on the type, and it's all very broken
[13:49] chibaguy Oh, I see.
[13:50] jonnyb it depended on each element having an id and all those were removed during bootstrappification i think
[13:50] chibaguy ah
[13:50] jonnyb but it was v old and nasty
[13:50] jonnyb should be rewritten in jQuery
[13:52] chibaguy ok. I suppose you have list of things to do in that area.
[13:52] chibaguy Or maybe I should say there is a list of things to do.
[13:52] jonnyb generally i try and avoid articles ;)
[13:55] chibaguy :)
[13:56] chibaguy Have you checked out the Transifex site yet, the Tiki project there?
[13:56] chibaguy (translation interface, etc.)
[13:58] chibaguy I did some translations in the Japanese file at that site, then installed the local client to pull the translation. I wanted to see how the file compares to the standard Tiki lanaguage file.
[13:59] chibaguy It seems all lines are commented out; I don't know why it's commenting out lines that weren't commented out before, why it's touching lines that weren't processed during the online translating.
[13:59] chibaguy I wonder if this is a configuration thing.
[14:00] chibaguy For the project resource.
[14:00] chibaguy I'll  have to check with gezza and/or fabricius.
[14:01] chibaguy The good news my translations were saved in the file ok. But when using the cli client, the language file is pulled to a new directory in Tiki, ‏not directly to lang/. I suppose this will all be automated eventually.
[14:02] chibaguy For now I could use WinMerge (diff application) to merge in my changes.
[14:08] jonnyb sorry chibaguy - i registered at transifex but not done anything with it yet, gezza and fabricius have been working on that mostly i think (and have gone now, oops)
[14:11] chibaguy I found that it's pretty painless to use, but I was just doing simple things like country names. There seems to be some provision for commenting and so on which might be good if more than one person is working on a language.
[14:12] chibaguy Also there's a "Review" step after a translation is done, which again would be good for larger organizations, etc.
[14:13] chibaguy (Kind of a hassle for one-person translation efforts, but it does give you a way to retain an item to think about or research.
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[14:41] luciash chibaguy: I think all the strings must be reviewed and then they will not appear as commented out in the file (maybe)
[14:42] chibaguy I reviewed the strings that I translated. Fabricius made me a reviewer. But when I pulled the file, the new translations are commented out, along with all other lines.
[14:43] chibaguy Every line in the file is commented out.
[14:43] chibaguy I hope it's a configuration issue.
[14:44] luciash hmm, weird
[14:45] luciash I did not try with czech lang file yet to download it
[14:48] chibaguy there are docs here: http://docs.transifex.com/client/
[14:57] chibaguy luciash, what do we do about translating an abbreviation like POP? I mean it's POP in the translation language too. Should it be uncommented in order to use the character set of the target language, even though it's not really being translated?
[15:00] chibaguy Another topic: I wonder why "img/icons/email.png" is a string to be translated.
[15:09] chibaguy Also in the ja language file, quite a few strings aren't commented out but also aren't translated, so I'm commenting them out. I may break even on this commit.
[15:17] chibaguy "Bye bye" in the language file?
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[15:19] math_ Hi
[15:20] math_ como eu fa�o para aumentar a largura de uma coluna de uma tabela no tiki wiki?
[15:21] math_ as I do to increase the width of a column in a table at the tiki wiki?  Can you help me?
[15:28] math_ Hi,  how are you? as I do to increase the width of a column in a table at the tiki wiki?Can you help me?
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[15:54] fabricius polom
[16:11] chibaguy hi fabricius. Have you downloaded (pulled) a translated language file yet, from Transifex?
[16:11] fabricius yes
[16:12] fabricius upload and download
[16:12] fabricius you can download "for translation", translate locally, or do fancy search and replace stuff and reupload
[16:13] fabricius important is te name of the file, the php tags and the actual non-commented strings
[16:13] fabricius commented stuff will be ignored on upload
[16:24] chibaguy I'm asking about the download. Have you pulled a translated file yet?
[16:25] chibaguy I found that *every* line is commented out.
[16:25] fabricius in the "for translation version" ?
[16:26] fabricius what you translate
[16:26] fabricius // English to Empty
[16:26] fabricius you need to uncomment
[16:26] fabricius // English to Japanes
[16:26] fabricius and then upload
[16:26] chibaguy No, the translated version.
[16:27] fabricius sry wrong
[16:27] fabricius you need to uncomment
[16:27] fabricius English to Japanes
[16:27] fabricius so
[16:27] chibaguy I didn't upload anything. I translated the ja file that's loaded as resource at transifex.
[16:27] fabricius you can download the "for use" version
[16:27] fabricius that should be not commented
[16:27] chibaguy what's the syntax?
[16:27] fabricius I need to go - have a lesson NOW
[16:27] fabricius syntax = php
[16:28] fabricius can we chat later in the evening?
[16:28] fabricius or your time morning?
[16:28] fabricius wite me an email what problem you want to solve and I try to cover the info when I can
[16:29] fabricius but now I have an appointment in 2 minutes and 5 kilometers by bike
[16:29] fabricius sry, see ya later
[16:29] chibaguy No, I meant the cli command. I'm looking at http://docs.transifex.com/client/pull/ so I got all the files that had some translation activity, but I guess I don't know how to get uncommented versions yet.
[16:29] chibaguy Ok, see you later.
[16:29] fabricius /s/wite/write
[16:29] fabricius ahhh sorry => I did manually for import languages or fix the imports
[16:30] fabricius gezza is working on the automatisation <=> you should chat with him
[16:30] fabricius in this I will follow up your findings
[16:30] fabricius very sorry
[16:30] fabricius must go now! bye! c ya
[16:38] luciash chibaguy: sorry, was afk
[16:41] math_ as I do to increase the width of a column in a table at the tiki wiki?  Can you help me?
[16:45] luciash chibaguy: in my opinion all tr strings should have been more descriptive placeholders like tr_some_string-optionalcontext, so it would be tr_POP for your example, or tr_free-as_in_beer or something like that
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[16:46] luciash math_: you can put some hard spaces or using CSS: td:first-child {width: 200px}
[16:47] chibaguy luciash, yeah, that'd be a good step, if it helped clarify the meaning or context of the string.
[16:50] chibaguy math_, if you use the FancyTable plugin or Split plugin, I think you can say the width of the columns.
[16:50] chibaguy (if the table is in wiki text)
[16:51] math_ thanks
[16:53] luciash maybe we can just add them in between slashes, like "Free /as in beer/" and tell translators they can remove them in the translation ?
[16:54] luciash "POP /email context, do not translate/"
[16:57] chibaguy That would work, or something like it. I wonder what solutions other projects use.
[17:18] chibaguy In Transifex, it looks like you can add a "translation instructions" when translating a string for one language that will appear for all languages when translating that string. It seems to be metadata stored by Transifex.
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[18:12] gezza polom
[18:13] gezza @luciash : i posted some updates here about language.js file: https://tiki.org/Translation+workflow+using+transifex
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[18:25] luciash gezza: cool! thx
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[18:49] pedro_morgan yo anyone can help with migration from 2.5 to 12.4 .. ???? http://anahata-retreat.org.nz/ and http://www.padma.org.uk/
[18:49] jonnyb hi pedro_morgan - coo, that's a big jump! :)
[18:50] jonnyb i tihnk i'd suggest doing it in a couple of steps, like from 2 to 6 (and fix stuff) then from 6 to 12 (and fix more stuff)
[18:50] pedro_morgan jonnyb: yep.. and funnily enough.. got no hair left and dents on forehead from banging head..!!! lol
[18:51] jonnyb sorry can't help now, just on my way out soon
[18:51] jonnyb should be around on wednesday mostly
[18:51] pedro_morgan any hints at "permissions" would be usefule.. as its olde category stuff and something in db config is not letting login(missing rows etc...)
[18:52] pedro_morgan am doing.. 2.* to 3.lts and 3 lts to 12.4 lts
[18:52] jonnyb hmmm, yes permissions got significanly "fixed" around tiki 4 so category perms will all need remaking somewhere around tiki 6
[18:53] jonnyb i definitely would "stop off" at tiki 6 on the way ;)
[18:54] pedro_morgan umm ok kinda been there...;-( and trying to script this (using fabfile)  et all as I got 3 of them....
[18:56] jonnyb also i think i would work locally on it - do you have a localhost server you can use? (like WAMP etc)
[18:57] pedro_morgan jonnyb: yep. .on a linux box.. and dual screen developer workstation.. and (using fabric.py) some scripting to pull .. download, unpack etc
[18:57] jonnyb good, should be slightly less painful
[18:58] pedro_morgan style is not a problem.. its the fact that the migration kinda looses permissions somewher along way etc.. am even develping a quick json dump of schema so I can see db changes.. and works.. But SOMETHING happens with perms in the db... sign!!!
[18:58] jonnyb i'd use svn for getting and updating the installs - don't really know what fabric.py is but i guess it'll do much the same
[18:59] jonnyb i seem to remember (it was a long time ago) that you really jsut have to start again with the permissions after tiki 4 or 5
[18:59] jonnyb ok, gotta go, good luck! :)
[19:00] pedro_morgan left svn yonks ago for git.. and fabric is a kinda "shell" http://www.fabfile.org/
[19:00] pedro_morgan jonnyb: thanks for help.. if u see me around.. ping me as this stuff may be useful...
[19:00] jonnyb ok, will do, bye for now
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[21:20] sabjules I am hoping that someone here can help me. I have TikiWiki 12.3 installed and set up with a mailman mailing list. All emails received by tikiwiki and posted to the forum are stripped of their first line. Has anyone encountered this
[21:23] fabricius hummm
[21:25] fabricius we have mailman aswell, as the sf-lists are mailman and the dev-list ist synched with the forum
[21:26] fabricius not really encountering this problem ... must tink about, who cares about the synch
[21:26] fabricius /s/synch/sync
[21:26] fabricius /s/tink/think
[21:30] gezza fabricius just to keep you updated about transifex: there seems to be an issue with the dowloaded translations, all lines are commented out in all 3 available option (for_use, reviewed, for_translation)
[21:30] gezza i wrote them email about this
[21:30] gezza will update the transifex page when I get reply
[21:44] fabricius for use should not be commented
[21:48] fabricius I check whazif reviewed
[21:53] gezza i also started to test crowdin
[21:53] gezza they seem to have an online translation tool
[21:57] fabricius even reviewed are not uncommented so fa (Transifex)
[21:57] fabricius Crowdin is a company aswell
[21:58] fabricius Did you try the open source one?
[21:58] gezza yes, they have a free plan for open source projects
[22:01] fabricius Crowdin you mean
[22:01] gezza yes
[22:02] fabricius did you try Pootle?
[22:04] gezza no, pootle does not have online service, I would need to install a server, i dont know when/if i will have time for that
[22:04] gezza i dont think pootle would work, it would require server setup and maintenane
[22:05] gezza we dont have resources for that
[22:12] fabricius true
[22:18] fabricius python .. root server .. .. ..
[22:40] gezza bye now
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