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[00:25] Jyhem hi luciash, I'm afrad I don't have any :-( It was rare to have everybody there at the same time anyway, with all the running around and attending conferences
[00:25] Jyhem It looked very mch like last year anyway :)
[00:26] Jyhem Some woman from FrOSCon wanted to take one of all booths, maybe we'll be on the website ?
[00:26] fabricius Hi Jyhem, could anybody help Guest27494 ? I was disconnected
[00:28] Jyhem he did not ask about anything after you left
[00:28] Jyhem you know him IRL ?
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[01:53] _Guest_ Looking for some direction with advanced setup if anyone is around...
[02:09] luciash hi
[02:09] luciash _Guest_: what direction?
[02:09] luciash Jyhem: thanks for the info
[02:10] _Guest_ I'm mainly using the Wiki Pages and File Galleries... I have setup multiple groups to put Users in, and I have permissions set fine for the File Gallery to upload and manage files. My problem is the Wiki Pages... I have permissions set to allow editing, but I can't get them right for users to create Wiki Pages in their own Categories
[02:11] _Guest_ I can allow the global permissions, which will allow creating, editing, etc... but it goes for all Wiki/Categories... I just want to narrow it down to their own set
[02:20] Jyhem _Guest_: are you aware that in group configuration you can set a default category ? This will be the category of everything the group members create
[02:20] luciash _Guest_: you need to set for their Group in the Category the perm tiki_p_edit I guess
[02:20] Jyhem When users are in multiple groups, then it is the "default group"
[02:20] _Guest_ Yes, I've set that
[02:21] luciash Jyhem: no pictures on the FrOSCon site found :-/
[02:22] Jyhem which "that"? mine or luci's ?
[02:23] _Guest_ tiki_p_edit is fine, as the users can edit existing files in their group. The problem is I can't find a way for them to create a wiki page that doesn't yet exist
[02:26] Jyhem luciash: if there is one presentation you watch, I suggest this one: http://media.ccc.de/browse/conferences/froscon/2015/froscon2015-1640-beginning_of_the_end_or_end_of_the_beginning.html
[02:27] Jyhem _Guest_: try giving them global page editing permission ?
[02:28] _Guest_ I just did... and I can create a page, but it doesn't default to their category
[02:28] _Guest_ was looking around for another setting perhaps in addition
[02:28] Jyhem Otherwise, you might look at page structures. When a structure is configured with "all pages in structure have same category", they can create pages in the structure
[02:29] Jyhem the setting is not in the configuration of their default group ?
[02:34] _Guest_ I enabled tiki_p_add_object & tiki_p_modify_object_categories in global permissions, and it works now
[02:34] _Guest_ I would however like it to just default to their group...
[02:34] _Guest_ maybe it's asking too much, lol
[02:37] Jyhem have you been in tiki-admingroups.php then a group then found setting "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group:"?
[02:52] _Guest_ Sorry there was no notification on a new message, let me double check
[02:54] _Guest_ Yes, If I go to "Admin Groups" and use "Edit" from the wrench menu, I have the exact same name as my group under Default Category "Default category assigned to uncategorized objects edited by a user with this default group."
[02:55] _Guest_ When I create a new Wiki Page, I have the 2nd tab, which will let me select the Category while I create the page, however it does not check that category by default
[02:56] _Guest_ .. and Thank You so far, I wouldn't have thought of the options that get everything else working... this default category isn't a huge deal, but would be nice for our users who aren't necessarily tech savvy
[03:04] Jyhem you are welcome. I hope you get it working.
[03:04] Jyhem Now I need to sleep.
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[11:57] fabricius polom
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[13:40] fabricius polom
[13:40] fabricius hi chibaguy
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[13:45] chibaguy hi fabricius
[13:47] fabricius :)
[13:50] chibaguy How are things?
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[16:27] chibaguy Related to the Buttons vs. links post, "Go back" and "Return to homepage" on some error pages are both graphic buttons but are clearly for navigation. Wrong?
[17:04] fabricius chibaguy: things are well so far - many ideas, proceeding very slowly
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[18:23] fabricius chibaguy: things are well so far - many ideas, proceeding very slowly
[18:23] chibaguy Yeah, things take time.
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[18:26] fabricius chibaguy: I do not see "Return" either buttons or links right or wrong. It is more a question what we do want as consistent styling for our app ... I am not sure wether the one or the other would be better UI/UX ... basically it should be consistent over all ... maybe ideally wrapped together to somekind of "this type of links/buttons" => pref1 link / pref2 button or so
[18:28] chibaguy Well, it's also a matter of user expectation. Links have traditionally been for navigation and buttons for actions, as far as I know, and from reading more expert opinions.
[18:29] chibaguy There may be an accessibility difference as well, but I'm not sure yet.
[18:33] chibaguy I agree consistent styling is very important, but this is possible by consistently using text for links and bordered buttons for actions, if that's our design decision.
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[18:34] chibaguy (Actually right now there are a number of inconsistent link/buttons - it seems the styles are applied without apparent reason in some cases.
[18:43] fabricius chibaguy: I would be fine with a "rule" alike links for navigation and buttons for actions - then configured/coded consistently
[18:43] chibaguy Yes, that's what I want to come from my question.
[18:45] chibaguy I think sometimes navigation links and action buttons are styled the same for visual consistency. There's some merit to that, but that also reduces the information for the user.
[18:47] fabricius yup
[18:48] fabricius and tooo much buttons all over the place itself reduces the information
[18:57] chibaguy we've made good progress in that area, I think, but the trade-off is an extra click or hover sometimes.
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